Thank you Ian and Howard for your enlightening information about the Sydney parishes. Much appreciated. Wendy > Sydney's civil parishes (used for various purposes including BDM > records) and the various ecclesiastical parishes are not the same. > > The Parish of St James, County of Cumberland includes St Mary's > Cathedral and the predecessor Catholic Church (burnt down). > > For the sake of completion, the four inner city parishes are St James, > St Philip, St Andrew and St Laurence. Three of them happen to be named > after the Church of England churches in their district, the exception > being St Laurence: the C of E church in that area is Christ Church. > See: > http://www.ccsl.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=118&Itemid=179 > > So, if you have a baptism etc in the Catholic Church in the Parish of > St James you are looking at St Mary's Chapel/Church/Cathedral > http://www.heritage.nsw.gov.au/07_subnav_02_2.cfm?itemid=5055071 > Photos at: http://www.sydneyarchitecture.com/cbd/cbd2-002.htm > > If you have a Catholic rite in the Parish of St Philip, you are > probably looking at St Patrick's, Church Hill > http://www.shfa.nsw.gov.au/sydney-About_us-Our_heritage_role-Heritage_and_Conservation_Register.htm&objectid=4500091 > Photos at: http://www.sydneyarchitecture.com/ROC/ROC016.htm > > and so on. > >

Hi Wendy, Unfortunately I don't see her on the following: http://www.catholiccemeteries.org.au/ (a very useful site for Sydney area) Have you traced where all her children were living at the time? Or even where they were buried? Sometimes this can help. Further to Ian's message, the Catholic Archives explains: 'If you have a certificate that refers to the "Parish of St James, County of Cumberland", please note that this refers to the geographic area of St Mary's in the colonial period, that is, the central Sydney area: it does not refer to records that are kept at St James Church or to St Mary's Cathedral.' http://www.sydney.catholic.org.au/about/archives.shtml The above archives are NOT available for Family History research but states the following: 'However all relevant sacramental registers have been microfilmed within the restraints of legislation and are available for family history research at Society of Australian Genealogists (120 Kent Street Sydney), State Library of NSW and National Library of Australia (Canberra).' Wait for the transcription and if it gives you the burial ground it makes it easier to track down transcripts via books which give clues (thinking "Cemeteries in Australia - A Register of Transcripts" & one of Nick Vine Hall's books) or Googling. Someone on a Sydney list may be able to help. If it doesn't give you the name of the burial ground then... SAG would be my try if I was desperate (willing to pay for the research) because they would be most familiar with the burial and/or MI transcription records for Sydney & what to try first. http://www.sag.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=100 There is a lot of information about the early burial grounds of Sydney if you start Googling. Graves were also moved too when land was used for other purposes. HTH, Deb. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Jordan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Parish names - Catherine LILLEY/LILLY- Info on <snipped>

Greetings To add to the concise answer Ian gave below, the parish named St Laurence is in fact named after the Anglican church in that area of Sydney. The full name of the Church is "Christ Church St Laurence" Howard Newcastle Ian wrote: > Sydney's civil parishes (used for various purposes including BDM > records) and the various ecclesiastical parishes are not the same. > > The Parish of St James, County of Cumberland includes St Mary's > Cathedral and the predecessor Catholic Church (burnt down). > > For the sake of completion, the four inner city parishes are St James, > St Philip, St Andrew and St Laurence. Three of them happen to be named > after the Church of England churches in their district, the exception > being St Laurence: the C of E church in that area is Christ Church. > See:

Would be kind enough to try John and Abigail Page they lived at Barraba but started life in Australia at Maitland their sons George, Daniel, James, all arrived with them and went to Maitland in 1845 I cannot find the graves of either John or Abigail at Barraba in fact almost no information at all on them only the certs etc on their children. Marj,if its not too much more trouble could you have a look for another brick wall of mine, Mary Doyle wife of Thomas Doyle sponsored by a Mr. Gilchrest they lived at Williams river, they arrived in 1841 with Thomas brother Patrick, Mary disappeared around 1848 after the birth of her twin daughters, I have tried everything to get a handle on her death or whatever, after some years of trying I then found that Thomas went to Louisa Creek near Hargreaves and died there he married off all of his daughters except one all under the age of 21, my gggrandmother was 15 years old and her husband 54 years old!!! Any help appreciated Ray The Gavan's

Dianna, Miriam Cragg is possibly a sister of William John CRAGG, a Singleton solicitor of the 1920-1950 era. Florence married Tom Simpson--one son Ronald--married Gloria Hannam. Tom & Florence lived at 'The Knoll', Dunolly. Singleton, and he was one of Singleton's leading builders. Henry Milton Bailey was the son of one of 5 Bailey brothers who married 5 Fernance sisters. The Baileys were a strong Methodist family, while his wife, Louise Graham came from an equally strong Presbyterian family. Both families were graziers, and their properties were not far apart. The Bailey property was 'Greylands', while the Graham property was 'Spottiswood' [ after the village in Scotland of that name]. The 'Spottiswood' cemetery is quite extensive. Marion's husband George Wall was k/a Eric. Also a grazier with land in the same area. Later lived in Boonal St., Redbournberry, near Violet and Alf Roberts. Clarice's husband was Cecil Webber, a farmer of Glenridding, Singleton. Alf Roberts and Violet had no children. HTH. Greg.

Dianna, Arthur Charles was a brother to John Alexander and Alfred James ROBERTS. All had land at Reedy Creek and Westbrook--probably inherited from their father, George William ROBERTS. His son Gordon Hamilton was well known to my family--he rode horses for my Father in the local show. I found a marriage for a Gordon Hamilton ROBERTS in 1936 to a Muriel Lindley--but I could not find a Muriel ROBERTS on subsequent electoral rolls. The name of Gordon's property was 'Bogleburn', Reedy Creek. However, on the 1976 roll, I noticed the names of 2 students with the address of 'Bogleburn', Reedy Creek. Could these be children [adult students] of Gordon ? HTH. Greg.

Sydney's civil parishes (used for various purposes including BDM records) and the various ecclesiastical parishes are not the same. The Parish of St James, County of Cumberland includes St Mary's Cathedral and the predecessor Catholic Church (burnt down). For the sake of completion, the four inner city parishes are St James, St Philip, St Andrew and St Laurence. Three of them happen to be named after the Church of England churches in their district, the exception being St Laurence: the C of E church in that area is Christ Church. See: http://www.ccsl.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=118&Itemid=179 So, if you have a baptism etc in the Catholic Church in the Parish of St James you are looking at St Mary's Chapel/Church/Cathedral http://www.heritage.nsw.gov.au/07_subnav_02_2.cfm?itemid=5055071 Photos at: http://www.sydneyarchitecture.com/cbd/cbd2-002.htm If you have a Catholic rite in the Parish of St Philip, you are probably looking at St Patrick's, Church Hill http://www.shfa.nsw.gov.au/sydney-About_us-Our_heritage_role-Heritage_and_Conservation_Register.htm&objectid=4500091 Photos at: http://www.sydneyarchitecture.com/ROC/ROC016.htm and so on. 2009/8/20 MargM <[email protected]>: > >> Isn't Sydney St James Church of England? > > No early parishes were St James C of E and St James RC >>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Lindsay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [HV] Catherine LILLEY/LILLY- Info on > bit of extra detail than what the online > index gives. > > I gather the ??? means it is difficult to read. No.......... It means this was the closest I could find and didnt particularly match Does the RC mean Roman > Catholic? I hope so ........ > Isn't Sydney St James Church of England? No early parishes were St James C of E and St James RC > > I am more confused than ever now. I have a death > certificate for a Catherine > Lilly in 1859, in the Sydney Benevolent Asylum. I am sure > this is the wrong > one as she was 68 years old and my Catherine had her last > child in 1848. > There was another convict Catherine Lilley alias Mary > Kelly who arrived on > the Duchess of Northumberland in 1852, so this is probably > her. I have tried > to find this Mary's age on her arrival but haven't had any > luck so far. > > My Catherine was also a convict - Catherine Carmody > (Pyramus 1836) and was > reportedly 21 when she left Cork. > > Is it feasible that my Catherine went to Sydney? Sorry no idea.................. you've lost me completely Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Dear Listers, I dont know why so many use HTML/ rich text to post emails ??? Could be worth casting an eye over http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/Ancillary/OnE/ASCIIvHTML.shtml If you use HTML/ rich text to post to any mailing list it will bounce ......... So its a complete waste of effort on the writers part and a pain in the posterior for the list admin Had 2 this morning just with this list Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Hi Marg Thank you for replying and the bit of extra detail than what the online index gives. I gather the ??? means it is difficult to read. Does the RC mean Roman Catholic? Isn't Sydney St James Church of England? I am more confused than ever now. I have a death certificate for a Catherine Lilly in 1859, in the Sydney Benevolent Asylum. I am sure this is the wrong one as she was 68 years old and my Catherine had her last child in 1848. There was another convict Catherine Lilley alias Mary Kelly who arrived on the Duchess of Northumberland in 1852, so this is probably her. I have tried to find this Mary's age on her arrival but haven't had any luck so far. My Catherine was also a convict - Catherine Carmody (Pyramus 1836) and was reportedly 21 when she left Cork. Is it feasible that my Catherine went to Sydney? As I said I have sent for the burial transcription for 1850 and will just have to wait to see what that comes up with....probably no more than what Marg's given me. That's was the reason I was looking for any cemetery records of her burial. If that is her dying in Sydney, can someone tell me where she would have been buried and if there is any index please? Regards Wendy Mackay, Queensland > > Can only find ref to death of a Catherine LILLY in 1850, > aged 42 RC Sydney St James ??? >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Lindsay" <[email protected]> To: "Hunter Valley List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: [HV] Catherine LILLEY/LILLY > Dear Listers > I am trying to find the burial place of Catherine LILLEY > (nee Carmody) who died in 1850. I have sent for the > transcription of her death, but I don't hold out much hope > of gleaning any more information from it. > Catherine was living in Coppy Creek Cassilis in June 1849, > but was in Maitland in September 1849 have "come down the > country" as witness in a murder trial. This information > was obtained from the Maitland Mercury & Hunter River > General Advertiser on the NLA site. Hi Wendy Can only find ref to death of a Catherine LILLY in 1850, aged 42 RC Sydney St James ??? Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

On Wednesday 19 August 2009 13:04:45 MargM wrote: > MAITLAND (EAST). > Marg, I'd be interested in any LIGHTFOOT or VERCOE names that turn up in these directories. Most were landholders between Maitland and Patterson (ie Maitland, East Maitland, Pitnacree, Bolwarra, Largs, Morpeth, Hinton, Woodville, Tocal and Patterson. I'm also interested in PYWELLs from Lochinvar and Luskintyre from the late 19th century onwards. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia OPC Merther & St Breock, Cornwall see http://www.cornwall-opc.org [email protected] ====

436 •GREVILLE'S OFFICIAL POST OFFICE DIRECTORY. MAITLAND (EAST )- a large township and electoratien the police district of Maitland, county of Northumberland, is 93 miles north from Sydney. Route : Steam to Newcastle, thence by rail. Ofces: Post, Telegraph, Government Savings Bank, and Money Order. Mails close at G.P.O. daily at 8.30 a.m. and 9.30 p,m., arriving , in post town daily at 4.30 p.m., and, 7.55 a.m.; leave for Sydney daily (Sundays excepte(l) at 9.35 a.m., arriving every evening. The township is bounded on the west by Wallis creek, over which is a bridge which unites it to West Maitland, and on the north by the Hunter river. In addition to churches of the various denominations and large private buildings in stores and private residences , there are a well-built goal, courthouse , &c., a school of arts, council chambers , branches of banks, a public school, hotels, kc. The streets are wide and well formed, and the site of the town is above the reach of floods in the Hunter. East Maitland was erected into a municipality in March, 1862: but although the first place laid out in this district by the Government, it has, from various causes, not progressed to the extent its resources might be thought to have warranted. It is the assize town of the district, which is chiefly an agricultuuralo ne; the rich alluvials oil on the flats of the Hunter yielding large crops of cereals and tobacco : the vine is also extensively cultivated. Large deposits of coal exist in the district, the geological formation of which is generally carbonaceous and ferruginous sandstone. If you would like a name looked up just say .............. Are way too many to copy and paste to an email Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Holden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Info on East Maitland from Halls NSW PO DIR > > Marg > > What date is this directory? > > I believe I found an ancestor listed in your list: > > W. PRYOR - Boots & Shoes > > And was wondering if there was any more info on them. > Hi Chris No PO Dirs dont usually go in for much extra detail I posted a Opps forgot the date a couple of hours ago to the HV list .............. was 1895 bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Marg What date is this directory? I believe I found an ancestor listed in your list: W. PRYOR - Boots & Shoes And was wondering if there was any more info on them. Regards Chris Cessnock, NSW

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Info on East Maitland from Halls NSW PO DIR Hi Ray. >I assume that this is a 'series' which you are starting to >provide to us. No just odd bits of random info >Thanks for it/them. I am not aware of HALLS P.O. Directory. >Would you have a date for it please Marg? Its one of the many misc directories put on to CD by Archive CD Book OPPs sorry I forgot to type in the year .Its 1895 Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Hello Marg. I assume that this is a 'series' which you are starting to provide to us. Thanks for it/them. I am not aware of HALLS P.O. Directory. Would you have a date for it please Marg? Skimming through this one on East Maitland, and seeing the name EVATT as an hotelier, reminded me that "Doc" EVATT had come from an East Maitland hotel family. I just looked him up again on adbonline (the Australian Dictionary of Biography on-line), and in case anyone else might be interested, here is an extract from the start of his entry at this URL: http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A140124b.htm " EVATT, HERBERT VERE (1894-1965), politician and judge, was born on 30 April 1894 at East Maitland, New South Wales, fifth of eight sons of John Ashmore Evatt, a publican from India, and his Sydney-born wife Jane 'Jeanie' Sophia, née Gray. His father, the amiable but ineffectual scion of a well-connected English family, died when Bert was 7, and his Irish-Australian mother shouldered the task of encouraging an intellectually gifted family. Bert attended East Maitland Superior Public School and from 1905 Fort Street Model (Boys' High) School, Sydney, matriculated brilliantly in 1911 and entered St Andrew's College, University of Sydney (B.A., 1915; M.A., 1917; LL.B., 1918-each with first-class honours), where he achieved excellent results in mathematics, logic, philosophy and English, and won a swag of medals and awards. ..." Thanks once more. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <[email protected]> Subject: [HV] Info on East Maitland from Halls NSW PO DIR MAITLAND (EAST). ... HOTELS > > Dawson > > G. H., "Junction" > > Evatt J., "Bank" > > Hain J. A., " Willow Tree" > > Pithers J., " Windsor Castle" > > Rohan M., "George and Dragon " > > Redman G., " Hunter River " ...

Hello Bill, Please excuse me I have forgotten how to do this. hope i am doing the right thing. Are you researching Ernest Junor who married Gladys Croxall 1924 she was the daughter of Richard. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Junor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [HV] look up Dungog Cemetery >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

MAITLAND (EAST). 120 in. N. of Sydney, on the Hunter River. Post, Telegraph, M.O. Office and Railway Station. Large gaol and other public buildings. Very fertile agricultural district. Population 3000. AUCTION EERS Sparke F. Sparks W. BAKERS-- Kelly W. Phair Bros. Wylie J. BANK of Australasia BLACKSMITHS, &C.- Bailey J. Ferry P. Raisbeck Bros. BOOTS & SHOES-- Baker W. and Son Boyle J. Green C. Pryor W. Sullivan John BUILDERS Burg A. Noad H. BUTCHERS Bourke P. Geary W. CHEMIST Ley D. COACHBUILDER, &C.--- Riley Jas. COMPANY Hunter River F. Co.-op. Co. DRAPER Sullivan R. 11'. FRUITERERS Bareham Miss Simmonds A. FURNITURE, &C.-- Sweetman A. J. HOTELS Dawson G. H., "Junction" Evatt J., "Bank" Hain J. A., " Willow Tree" Pithers J., " Windsor Castle" Rohan M., "George and Dragon " Redman G., " Hunter River " IRONFOUNDERS Ewing J Ewing R. LIVERY STABLES Watson Jas. MANUFACTURER Hay Thomas MEDICAL PRACTITIONER Alcorn Dr. S. A. MILLINERS, &C.-- Ashton A. A. Brown Mrs. Phipps Misses Reid Miss F. Rooney Miss MONUMENTAL MASON, &C.- Arthar G. and Co. PAINTERS Prike J. Rooney J. Watts F. PLUMBER, &C.- McKay D. PRODUCE STORE-- Mendelson J. SADDLER Godfrey J. S. SAWMILLS Ewing John and Son Windross and Co. SOLICITORS Chambers G. T, Murphy,J. STATIONERS, &C.- Ley D. Swan L. S. STORES Beckett T. C. and Co. Bush Mrs, Dalton T. Dewar H. E. Dixon Bros. Quigley Mrs. RitchieE . Weston C. TAILORBurns J. TOBACCONISTS, HAIRDRESSERS, &C. Cunningham J. Eves Jas. and Isaac Lewis W. WINES, SPIRITS, BEER & TEA MERCHANTS Petherbridge T. S MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [HV] Dungog info 1867 NSW PO Dir , > > I was wondering if anyone would have any other > information on > > Postmaster : Samuel Redman > > He is my 3rd Great Grandfather. I know who he was married > too - > Hannah Maria Fisher 1840 in England. He died in 1900 in > Dungog. Hi Pauline He didnt leave a will............ There are alot of refs to Dungog Post Office and Dungog Postmaster in the Maitland Mercury in http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home Hard to say if any specific to your ancestor . Still make of interesting reading ! Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin