Hi Dianna, Sorry for the delay--but I forgot to answer your question about the Roberts students. 1. Robert Gordon Arthur (Bobbie) ROBERTS of 'Bogleburn' Singleton--and-- Ellener Jane ROBERTS of 11 Percy St., Singleton. This data was extracted from the 1976 AEC roll--sub-division of Singleton. Also listed were Gordon Hamilton and Juanita of 'Bogleburn', Singleton. These would be Bobbie's parents. In the case on Ellener, other listings at her address were Lloyd Alexander and Roma Lillian ROBERTS, her parents. Lloyd was a partner with his brother Bruce Llewellyn ROBERTS in the furniture store and undertaker business, situated at 205 John St., Singleton. These brothers were the sons of Ham ROBERTS and they married sisters Ilma and Roma Chenoweth of Singleton. I am informed that Roma passed away fairly recently at Singleton, Ilma pre-deceased her husband, who died in 1999. Hope this helps. Greg. So 'Bobbie' and Ellener were probably 2nd cousins, once removed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dianna charles" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Arthur C. ROBERTS/ Florence WOOD > > Hi Again Greg > Did you happen to notice the names of the 2 students on the electoral > roll, I assume they were Roberts" could have been his grandchildren??? > Dianna > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00

Ian, And the remains of an old railway line still clearly exist at the rear of the beach just north of the Glenrock Lagoon. Cheers, Phil Young. "He said the new owners found the Glenrock site too difficult to work and decided not to use the coast railway to The Junction. Instead, they hauled coal from a newer mine site, Burwood No.3 Colliery on present Burwood Road, at Whitebridge, through Adamstown down to Newcastle wharves.

Burwood was a distinct entity from Merewether until 20 August 20 1885, when Municipality of Merewether was proclaimed: it incorporated the former suburb of Merewether and the coal townships of Glebe and Burwood. That Municipality was merged with others to create the City of Greater Newcastle in 1938. _________ "Now located on the corner of Kenrick and Farquhar streets, The Junction, the first community of Josephite Sisters was appointed to Burwood Parish in 1888. This later became known as the parish of St Joseph, Merewether." source: FIONA McDONALD, OLIVIA KELLY, GLENN MCNAMEE-ORROCK, MITCHELL NESBITT and CLAUDIA BOYCE, "120 years of history" The Newcastle Herald (Supplement) 6 May 2008 (late edition) p. 43 © 2008 Copyright John Fairfax Holdings Limited _________ "And the story behind the Burwood tramway, the later railway, goes like this: "Dr Mitchell, a former British army surgeon, came to Sydney in 1821. "He bought land south of Newcastle, which he called the Burwood Estate, and added to it until he ruled over some 931 hectares of land. In 1846 he built a copper smelting works at what is now Murdering Gully, Merewether, just above the present Burwood Beach. "Mitchell accumulated assets including coke ovens, coalmines, brickworks and 13 kilometres of railways, but by the time of his death in 1869 many ventures had failed and the estate was burdened with debt. "Enter Edward Christopher Merewether, his son-in-law, who took effective control of the Burwood Estate through his wife's inheritance when Mitchell's widow died in 1872. "E.C. Merewether revitalised the estate's failing fortunes, leasing mining rights then left for Sydney to live, leaving day-to-day business to his cousin. "And the vital artery taking coal into the Newcastle waterfront from three large collieries on Merewether's land was the Burwood tramroad, or railway. "Today, there's little trace of the famous line which once ran from Glenrock Lagoon to Merewether Beach via a coastal railway and two tunnels, now long sealed. It had several names here, including the Redhead Railway and the Burwood Beach railway. "The route then went down Watkins Street, across Glebe Road east of the present war memorial, down the side of the old Hunter Theatre, crossed Parkway Avenue and down Glovers Lane, through Civic Park right to Newcastle Harbour. "Some older Merewether residents still remember tales of Toronto's former "Coffee Pot" locomotive operating on the Burwood line from 1910. But earlier, in 1878, was a little tank engine called Burwood. It's now the subject of a revealing article by noted Hunter coal rail historian John Shoebridge in the April edition of Light Railways, a specialist Australian magazine dealing with industrial and narrow gauge railways. ... "Shoebridge, a retired mining engineer and colliery manager, has spent the past 15 years tracking down the full intriguing story behind all the ventures. ... "As Shoebridge acknowledged this week, the story of the now lost Burwood railway was long and fascinating. " 'The name Burwood actually comes from Mrs Mitchell's family home in England,' he said. 'It still exists, but as an old people's home near Heathrow Airport. " 'And the use of the name Burwood for the estate raises the suggestion that perhaps it was his wife's marriage dowry that enabled the property to be bought in the first place.' ... "Shoebridge said many people perhaps wouldn't appreciate the struggle Mitchell had to create the rail line into Newcastle waterfront. " 'His line [from present Merewether] had to go through land owned by the Australian Agricultural Company [or A.A.Co]. He and others would pay rent but a condition was that they didn't load any coal on the rail wagons. It was totally farcical,' he said. " 'Mitchell fought it and in 1851 the NSW Legislative Council passed a special Tram Road Act which enabled him to build a line [to carry coal] through the A.A.Co land.' "Shoebridge said Mitchell had established the Newcastle Coal and Copper Company to enable coalmining and smelting works at Burwood. The line was seen as benefiting the whole colony of NSW. "The venture, however, then nearly broke him because people soon went off to the gold rushes, causing a labour shortage, and the business was soon let to a syndicate. "The mining historian said the original Burwood Colliery started off at Glenrock Lagoon, and its two railway tunnels were the first in NSW. "The assets of the Burwood Coal Co., however, were later taken over in 1894 by the Scottish Australian Mining Company. "He said the new owners found the Glenrock site too difficult to work and decided not to use the coast railway to The Junction. Instead, they hauled coal from a newer mine site, Burwood No.3 Colliery on present Burwood Road, at Whitebridge, through Adamstown down to Newcastle wharves. "Today, even this mine has disappeared and the land redeveloped for new housing. " 'The only living memorial left there for the moment is the Burwood Bowling Club opposite,' Shoebridge said. "Other district mines, however, continued to use parts of the old Burwood Line through The Junction, until the last coal train ran in August 1954. At that stage, old timers say it only serviced four small pits around Merewether. "These days, the name Burwood also exists as a narrow street behind the Newcastle Tax Office. This survives from the days when coal trains trundled under Laman Street, through Civic Park and down Burwood Street, then crossed Hunter Street to the coal wharves. "Newcastle's most obvious relic of the historic Burwood coal era, however, had little in common with the seafront railway. "It's the 15.5-metre-tall mining headframe relocated from Whitebridge in 1988 and now towering over Stewart Avenue in the West End." source: Mike Scanlon, "History. What's in a name?", The Newcastle Herald 12 April 2008 (late edition) p. 12 © 2008 Copyright John Fairfax Holdings Limited. _________ Stubbed my toe on that tramline a few times as a kid at The Junction ("Manners Maketh Man"). There is still a Burwood Inn in the area (Merewether). _________ "Rugby Union was played as an organised sport in the Hunter region in 1876 when among the first clubs were Centennial, Advance Carlton, Waratah, Rosedale, Carrington, Singleton, Maitland United, Newcastle, Federals, Burwood, Merewether, Ferndale, New Lambton, Maitland Pearls, Maitland Albion, Tighes Hill and Raymond Terrace." source: Norm Barney, "The Beginning Of A Sporting Century" Newcastle Herald (Supplement) 9 September 1997 p. 7 Copyright of John Fairfax Group Pty Ltd _________ Regards 2009/9/4 Heather Macdonald <[email protected]>: > Can anyone tell me where this place was please? > taken from a 1886 birth cert - Burwood Newcastle

Dear Heather, I don't know if Sands Directories had ventured into Country areas at that stage, but it is possibly a name of a large property. Even today some large properties in country areas just give the name of the property and the town as identification. Sincerely,Bill > > Can anyone tell me where this place was please? > > taken from a 1886 birth cert - Burwood Newcastle E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13200 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

It was the former name for Merewether, a suburb of Newcastle. The Burwood Estate was owned by Mr E.C. Merewether Esq. Jan On 04/09/2009, at 9:33 PM, Heather Macdonald wrote: > Hi list > > Can anyone tell me where this place was please? > > taken from a 1886 birth cert - Burwood Newcastle > > regards > Heather Macdonald > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi list Can anyone tell me where this place was please? taken from a 1886 birth cert - Burwood Newcastle regards Heather Macdonald

----- Original Message ----- From: Lesley Sherman<mailto:[email protected]> To: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW-SURNAMES] contact Fraser's descendants Hi Listers, would like to make contact with the children/grandchildren of the following members of our FRASER family tree...... ALICE...BETTY...ERIC FRASER children of WILLIAM ERIC FRASER / IRENE DORIS WILLIAMS last known address to be 10 George st Paddington in 1962 BARBARA...FREDERICK...BERYL BRIAN...LANCE...COLIN FRASER children of JOHN HERBERT FRASER / CHARLOTTE HILDRED last known address to be Excelsior st Granville in 1977 There is a connection to COOLAH NSW I am tracing the family tree FRASER/CAMPBELL do hope someone may help as this is my brick wall cheers Lesley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, On Saturday 12 September, there is a gathering of descendants of families from the Sandy Hollow, Giant's Creek and Gungal areas. These families include Stair, Nebaur, Dehn, Ham, Pittman, Cowan, Peberdy, Cox, Myer, Hall, Clarke, Judge and Daniel. The gathering will be held in the grounds of the Gungal Church, 10am. All welcome. Wayne

On Monday 31 August 2009 17:11:10 Louise Clayton wrote: > Hi Leslie > Thanks again > One more question if I may > Can anyone tell me if my Jones lived in Blackwater Creek and Bolwarra where > would be the closest graveyards that they could be buried in? Thanks again > I have the Maitland FHG MIs and could do a lookup for you. The most likely for Bolwarra is the East Maitland cemetery, but there are several others in the Maitland area which are possibilities. If you know the denomination it also helps. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia [email protected] ====

Hi. Piggy-backing on Ian's excellent posting here, don't forget those wonderful volumes of The Hunter Valley Register; by Mr Ben W. CHAMPION. Here is a National Library of Australia catalogue detail on them: http://nla.gov.au/nla.cat-vn697114 Although they are only for a limited time-period, they are an excellent resource. HTH: ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Jordan" <[email protected]> > 2009/8/31 Louise Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: "Can anyone tell me > if my Jones lived in Blackwater Creek and Bolwarra where would be the > closest graveyards that they could be buried in?" > > > The closest graveyard is not necessarily what you are looking for. ...

2009/8/31 Louise Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: > Can anyone tell me if my Jones lived in Blackwater Creek and Bolwarra where would be the closest graveyards that they could be buried in? The closest graveyard is not necessarily what you are looking for. Especially if you have a popular surname like JONES in your search. You might find a cemetery then an inhumation in that name and jump to the wrong conclusion. Depends on your time period. People were not always buried in the nearest churchyard because that was too far to go or the wrong denomination. Or they may have family buried elsewhere a little way off and wished to 'join' them in eternity. Or they were sent some distance for their last medical needs and were buried closer to where they passed. In more recent times the death certificate will tell you where the person was buried. When it was the custom, the Newcastle Herald or other local paper, will give funeral arrangements which will point to the spot. For a death certificate: find the details at either NSW BDM then order through them or a transcription agent. For newspapers: try the Herald Index or Ryersons. May you find what you are looking for!

Hi Leslie Thanks again One more question if I may Can anyone tell me if my Jones lived in Blackwater Creek and Bolwarra where would be the closest graveyards that they could be buried in? Thanks again Louise

It's up and running but I haven't been able to get a search to run. 2009/8/30 Christene <[email protected]> > 10 24 pm and bdm is working ok for me > >

10 24 pm and bdm is working ok for me

Hi Everyone Does anyone know how much longer BDMS will off line I have been trying since 7.00am thismorning and now at 8.51pm still no luck. Grahame James

I thought it might interest some to know that all thirty-two counties for the 1911 Irish Census are now available on this site: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ Free to search and you can freely download a PDF image of the *original* census return which may interest you. You can also browse by County then by District Electoral Divisions (DEDs). More information at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/about19011911census.html#whatcontain Search help at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/help.html Regards

Hi Again Greg Did you happen to notice the names of the 2 students on the electoral roll, I assume they were Roberts" could have been his grandchildren??? Dianna

Hi Greg How are you? I hope you received my last email, I found Ruth and her nieces have been helping me with the family history for John Alexander, I was very happy to make contact with her. I also spoke to John Roberts (in Mitchell) wife John unfortunately passed away not so long ago as did Mary. About Gordon Hamilton I have his obituary (no children mentioned) and his wife was Juanita who he married in Malta during WW11. Thanks for letting me know about Alf and Violet having no children, that puts an end to my enquiries there. Do you happen to know if Gordon had any children. I have a photo of Arthur Charles Roberts. I'm just trying to find a photo of Sophia Roberts Walker and her sister Jane who apparently married a Alfred Parker but I can find no evidence of it at the moment. I still might try and find one of the Grahams etc as I dont have a photo of Alfred/Violet. Anyway thanks again for your help it's something else I don't have to look for now Kind regards Dianna

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Yes, it is called Christ Church St Laurence but the Church is named after the Parish! (see their website). 2009/8/20 Howard Benson <[email protected]>: > Greetings