The thing is Ray ... we WERE recycling way back then, long before it became environmentally trendy and one person's junk could be destined to be another's treasure. Times sure have changed, but it is a good story nonetheless. Diane -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ray" <ray15@optusnet.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:00 PM To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [HV] Dalwood (Wyndham Estate) > Excellent observation, Bruce! > > They'd complain about the risks to public safety by scavengers climbing > over > tips etc. and public liability; and then about doing licenced scavengers > out > of their business -- if any such licenced scavengers still exist. > > No-one got sued as far I recall, when we were kids scavenging over open > public tips to our hearts' content; and if we were injured in doing so, > we'd > suffer at the hands of our parents when we got home; and it would not be > taken any further. > > I don't believe in those "golden" days of old; but by golly there are > times > when I don't like the way that some things in public life have turned out > in > the present day. > > Thanks for the comment. I'm glad that you posted it. > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Fairhall" <bruce@fairhall.id.au> > > >> Yes, and how popular would someone be in 2011 of they were scavenging >> AND taking home big heaps of stuff from any of our "Waste Disposal and >> Recycling Centres"?? >> >> Isn't it great that he did it, that he preserved the papers AND that >> they went to a suitable "home" for final preservation and to be >> available for access by others! >> >> >> Bruce Fairhall

Hi Everyone I am having a reunion in April this year and trying to locate where Bunaba/Burnarba station would have been in 1883. As this is where my Ancestor James Walton died. South of Benarba is the Parish of Boollmuekeldi (Then their is North Benarba) Moree is the Parish of Couralie. If any one can help with the location it would be much appreciated. On James Walton's Death Certificate G H Paine was the informant Bunaba Station 14/10/1883. Grahame James

Hi Diane and Bruce, I wonder oif these documents will be uploaded for public access?? My family is closely connected to Dalwood estate and I would love to see what ifno might be conatined amongst the papers. Sharon McDermott From: "Bruce Fairhall" <bruce@fairhall.id.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Dalwood (Wyndham Estate) > Yes, and how popular would someone be in 2011 of they were scavenging > AND taking home big heaps of stuff from any of our "Waste Disposal and > Recycling Centres"?? > > Isn't it great that he did it, that he preserved the papers AND that > they went to a suitable "home" for final preservation and to be > available for access by others!

Excellent observation, Bruce! They'd complain about the risks to public safety by scavengers climbing over tips etc. and public liability; and then about doing licenced scavengers out of their business -- if any such licenced scavengers still exist. No-one got sued as far I recall, when we were kids scavenging over open public tips to our hearts' content; and if we were injured in doing so, we'd suffer at the hands of our parents when we got home; and it would not be taken any further. I don't believe in those "golden" days of old; but by golly there are times when I don't like the way that some things in public life have turned out in the present day. Thanks for the comment. I'm glad that you posted it. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Fairhall" <bruce@fairhall.id.au> > Yes, and how popular would someone be in 2011 of they were scavenging > AND taking home big heaps of stuff from any of our "Waste Disposal and > Recycling Centres"?? > > Isn't it great that he did it, that he preserved the papers AND that > they went to a suitable "home" for final preservation and to be > available for access by others! > > > Bruce Fairhall

Yes, and how popular would someone be in 2011 of they were scavenging AND taking home big heaps of stuff from any of our "Waste Disposal and Recycling Centres"?? Isn't it great that he did it, that he preserved the papers AND that they went to a suitable "home" for final preservation and to be available for access by others! Bruce Fairhall *EMAIL:* bruce@fairhall.id.au On 5/01/2011 4:10 PM, Diane wrote: >> From today's SMH ... > > SAVED FROM THE TIP - A GOOD DROP ON WINEMAKING HISTORY > > It is almost 50 years since a man scavenging on a rubbish tip in Cessnock > discovered a box of discarded documents, telegrams and letters and took them > to his mate, Bill Chapman, a coalminer. > There were about 3500. So it took Mr. Chapman, now 79, endless hours to > decipher the handwritten scrawl, sort them and protect them in plastic > folders. Twice he moved - and twice the papers moved with him. > Now those same papers have been handed over to the State Library of NSW, > which has recognised the Cessnock tip find as a historical treasure trove; a > unique documentary record of Australia's oldest continuously operating > commercial vineyard, Wyndham Estate, formerly known as Dalwood, in the > Hunter Valley. > > Full story here ... > > http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/top-drop/saved-from-the-tip-a-good-drop-on-winemaking-history-20110104-19f5d.html > > Regards, > > Diane

Lisa, I found more on my relative Peter page who died after being run up against a sign post on his horse on the newspapers digitized online than I found in the NSW records, you just have to look, police or government gazettes give you anything or there could be nothing... Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lisa mc murray Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2011 4:21 PM To: Hunter Valley Subject: [HV] Accidental death - McLennan, Dungog Hi listers Happy New year. I have posted this topic before but now have some additional information. Sydney Alexander McLennan died 9th may 1924 Wangat Road, Wallarobba Shire? The death certificate says that the finding of the inquest held at Dungog was that he was "accidently thrown from his horse". I am having trouble finding the coroners report/inquest findings and I am thinking that there surely must have been a newspaper article or something. The coroners signature on the death certificate looks like w Mclean but i wouldn't bet my life on it. Thanks Lisa McMurray Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3358 - Release Date: 01/04/11

>From today's SMH ... SAVED FROM THE TIP - A GOOD DROP ON WINEMAKING HISTORY It is almost 50 years since a man scavenging on a rubbish tip in Cessnock discovered a box of discarded documents, telegrams and letters and took them to his mate, Bill Chapman, a coalminer. There were about 3500. So it took Mr. Chapman, now 79, endless hours to decipher the handwritten scrawl, sort them and protect them in plastic folders. Twice he moved - and twice the papers moved with him. Now those same papers have been handed over to the State Library of NSW, which has recognised the Cessnock tip find as a historical treasure trove; a unique documentary record of Australia's oldest continuously operating commercial vineyard, Wyndham Estate, formerly known as Dalwood, in the Hunter Valley. Full story here ... http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/top-drop/saved-from-the-tip-a-good-drop-on-winemaking-history-20110104-19f5d.html Regards, Diane Hills District Nth West Sydney

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Thompson" <kethomps@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com>; <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: [HV] Index to Archives B, D & M Reels > Following advice from Listers I found that our local library had the > Archives Resources Kit, which includes the NSW Register of baptisms, > burials and marriages 1787-1856. Short Guide 4 lists the range of Reels > for records from various church denominations. C of E baptisms are Reels > 5001-5016 and Presbyterian baptisms are Reels 5001 -5019. I went to the > library and was pleased to see that the photo copies of the original > parish entries are mostly good. I would like to see the records of some > marriages and baptisms in a particular Hunter Parish. I know the dates, > but don't know all the denominations. I looked at several reels but found > the arrangement of the records on each was almost random. It would be a > very large task to find even one particular record from 19 reels. > > I suppose that when the reels were compiled a record was made of what was > in each, so presumably there is a detailed index somewhere. > > Can someone please tell me how to find it ? Hi again Ken Opps ! forgot to mention there is also a slim booklet that should be hiding very near to the films. Perhaps on top of the film cabinet, in the drawer with the films ? that tells you how the indexing was done and which film you need to look up a particular record . Even with the parish info & correct film ,these films arent particularly user friendly . Transcriptions cost about $10........... Could be money well spent ? bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Ken, Go into the NSW BDM site and find the pre-1856 entry, it will have the V prefix. There is/was also a link on the site for the church codes. I think the film reel nos. for 1788-1856 are in the AO 5000 series which defies the page entry details. To find the actual page entry... eg V1845***+++ or V1845****++ and possibly a church code after the entry - this church code will be the parish church or specific church where your entry was recorded. this equates to year 1845 the *** is the number on the film a digit between 1 and up to thousands, the +++ is the actual film roll nos. between 1 and 123 from memory. eg year 1846 entry no. 586 film no. 95 keeping in mind the title bearing the right church name on top of the page as you scroll through. The films in the ARK kit are found at most council head libraries in NSW. Hope this explanation is of help, Jenny

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Thompson" <kethomps@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com>; <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: [HV] Index to Archives B, D & M Reels > Following advice from Listers I found that our local library had the > Archives Resources Kit, which includes the NSW Register of baptisms, > burials and marriages 1787-1856. Short Guide 4 lists the range of Reels > for records from various church denominations. C of E baptisms are Reels > 5001-5016 and Presyterian baptisms are Reels 5001 -5019. I went to the > library and was pleased to see that the photo copies of the original > parish entries are mostly good. I would like to see the records of some > marriages and baptisms in a particular Hunter Parish. I know the dates, > but don't know all the denominations. I looked at several reels but found > the arrangement of the records on each was almost random. It would be a > very large task to find even one particular record from 19 reels. > > I suppose that when the reels were compiled a record was made of what was > in each, so presumably there is a detailed index somewhere. > > Can someone please tell me how to find it ? Hi Ken This is one of life's little mysteries................ why the on line NSW indexes of baptism & burial records show no parish details, while marriages do ??? The Pioneer CD 1788- 1888, published on CD & fiche in 1992 does list all parish names and denominations . You give no clue as to your location so your 'local library' could be anywhere. I would be very surprised know they had these early church record films and not the Pioneers CD/ fiche ??? Pretty sure the original separate BDM indexes 1877 - 1905 , on fiche only, published in 1982 also have parish info . Been awhile since I checked these Bye MargM Hunter Valley List Admin

Following advice from Listers I found that our local library had the Archives Resources Kit, which includes the NSW Register of baptisms, burials and marriages 1787-1856. Short Guide 4 lists the range of Reels for records from various church denominations. C of E baptisms are Reels 5001-5016 and Presyterian baptisms are Reels 5001 -5019. I went to the library and was pleased to see that the photo copies of the original parish entries are mostly good. I would like to see the records of some marriages and baptisms in a particular Hunter Parish. I know the dates, but don't know all the denominations. I looked at several reels but found the arrangement of the records on each was almost random. It would be a very large task to find even one particular record from 19 reels. I suppose that when the reels were compiled a record was made of what was in each, so presumably there is a detailed index somewhere. Can someone please tell me how to find it ? Ken Thompson

Hello Ken. I have NOT ever gone down this particular pathway, so these thoughts MIGHT be WRONG! Take care therefore with what follows. My understanding is that the NSW Registrar of BDMs, has in the online indexes to BDMs, entries relating to ALL of the records in those earlier church registers. (Excepting of course those which were missed during the indexing process, and also mistranscriptions might appear anywhere on the indexes). Therefore, if I am correct, then if you use the online NSW BDM indexes, searching for your relevant names, they should throw up ALL of those above church register entries. THEN, again if I understand it correctly, you can use the VOLUME and REFERENCE numbers given at the start of the relevant BDM index results, to FIND the correct VOLUMES to be searching in the ARK reels. You will probably also be aware that for MARRIAGES ONLY, these online indexes provide a 'translation' of CHURCH CODES in the results; but they haven't seemed to bother to extend a similar process for the early Births and Deaths. If I am WRONG in any of this, it would help us all if listers would post corrections here, so that we might all learn from them. Nevertheless: HTH. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Thompson" <kethomps@tpg.com.au> > Following advice from Listers I found that our local library had the > Archives Resources Kit, which includes the NSW Register of baptisms, > burials and marriages 1787-1856. Short Guide 4 lists the range of Reels > for records from various church denominations. C of E baptisms are Reels > 5001-5016 and Presyterian baptisms are Reels 5001 -5019. I went to the > library and was pleased to see that the photo copies of the original > parish entries are mostly good. I would like to see the records of some > marriages and baptisms in a particular Hunter Parish. I know the dates, > but don't know all the denominations. I looked at several reels but found > the arrangement of the records on each was almost random. It would be a > very large task to find even one particular record from 19 reels. > > I suppose that when the reels were compiled a record was made of what was > in each, so presumably there is a detailed index somewhere. > > Can someone please tell me how to find it ? > > Ken Thompson

Hi listers Happy New year. I have posted this topic before but now have some additional information. Sydney Alexander McLennan died 9th may 1924 Wangat Road, Wallarobba Shire? The death certificate says that the finding of the inquest held at Dungog was that he was "accidently thrown from his horse". I am having trouble finding the coroners report/inquest findings and I am thinking that there surely must have been a newspaper article or something. The coroners signature on the death certificate looks like w Mclean but i wouldn't bet my life on it. Thanks Lisa McMurray

Hi All, Looking for anyone else who may be researching the family of John Stephen (Jack) Davoren, son of Patrick Davoren and Mary Kerin. Jack married Mary Josephine McDermott in 1897, and died in 1938. He was closely associated with winemaking in the Hunter Valley, and with Dalwood Estate in particular. thanks, Sharon McDermott

Hello Everyone & compliments of the season to you. I encountered this 4-page pdf article during my googling session today. It was seemingly the second place-getter for a Janet Reakes memorial award. Here is the URL: http://www.janetreakesgenealogy.com/MemorialAward/2005JRMA2.pdf It is primarily about William GARNER or GARDNER and his wife Catherine BIRD, both convicts who were married by Reverend Father John Joseph THERRY, and who later, by 1844, settled at East Maitland. A daughter: Mary Ann GARNER married Thomas LEONARD, and there is brief mention of LEONARD landholdings in East Maitland. HTH someone. Ray

Best wishes for the festive season to all, especially to Marg, our wonderful administrator. Marje

Laraine, I believe Vol 1 was published abouts 1988. Rosemary Subject: Re: [HV] Muswellbrook & District Biographical Register Vol. 2 Hi Barbara, Thanks for the email. I bought Volume 1 lots of years ago and found it very helpful. I sent a cheque for Vol 2 to Box 450, Muswellbrook yesterday so hopefully it will arrive there sometime next week. Do you know when Volume 1 was first published? Cheers, Laraine Goodworth Hello All, For those that are interested the Muswellbrook Shire Local & Family History Society Inc., has now completed and published the 'Biographical Register of Muswellbrook and District - Volume 2' It is a bound copy of 99 pages. Cost $20.00: Postage $7.00: ISBN 978-0-9807434-3-2: Books are available from the Muswellbrook Shire Local & Family History Society Inc., P.O. Box 450, Muswellbrook. 2333 OR by contacting the Secretary, Heather Meissner at mei2@bigpond.com Rosemary

Hi Barbara, Thanks for the email. I bought Volume 1 lots of years ago and found it very helpful. I sent a cheque for Vol 2 to Box 450, Muswellbrook yesterday so hopefully it will arrive there sometime next week. Do you know when Volume 1 was first published? Cheers, Laraine Goodworth -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Logue Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 2010 9:30 AM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: [HV] Muswellbrook & District Biographical Register Vol. 2 Hello All, For those that are interested the Muswellbrook Shire Local & Family History Society Inc., has now completed and published the 'Biographical Register of Muswellbrook and District - Volume 2' It is a bound copy of 99 pages. Cost $20.00: Postage $7.00: ISBN 978-0-9807434-3-2: Books are available from the Muswellbrook Shire Local & Family History Society Inc., P.O. Box 450, Muswellbrook. 2333 OR by contacting the Secretary, Heather Meissner at mei2@bigpond.com Rosemary Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, For those that are interested the Muswellbrook Shire Local & Family History Society Inc., has now completed and published the 'Biographical Register of Muswellbrook and District - Volume 2' It is a bound copy of 99 pages. Cost $20.00: Postage $7.00: ISBN 978-0-9807434-3-2: Books are available from the Muswellbrook Shire Local & Family History Society Inc., P.O. Box 450, Muswellbrook. 2333 OR by contacting the Secretary, Heather Meissner at mei2@bigpond.com Rosemary

You will find this large index in Ancestry under the Australia Tax, Criminal, Land & Will heading New South Wales, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930 Happy hunting Bye MargM List Admin