Lisa, Might I suggest you contact the Dungog Historical Society, Dowling Street, Dungog. I'm sure they could give you some assistance. Neville Lee Kariong NSW (ex Dungog) ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisa mc murray" <lisajoy60@hotmail.com> To: "Hunter Valley" <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [HV] Keppie and Campbell. > > Well, thats reassuring, I thought I was totally barking up the wrong tree! > The down side now though is that I am back to no leads! > The Summerhill I am talking about is above Dungog, I think the map is > Underbank, county of Gloucester and it looks to me like the original land > grant was to a William Fisher. I am also pretty sure the Campbell I am > looking for was from Scotland and may have just visited rather than lived > in the area. > > I read about your Robert Campbells murder in the newspaper archives - very > interesting. > > Regards > Lisa McMurray > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lisa, Thanks for the details below which lead me to think that rather than a different HV Campbell family we are talking about a different 'Summerhill' property. My ancestor's property was on the Williams River, just below the town of Clarencetown, on the opposite bank. It was originally 90 acres & is still in existance, although by another name.Robert Campbell was born in Ireland in 1798 & came to Australia with his wife & family on the barque 'Susan', arriving Feb 1, 1839. He was murdered whilst on his way home from Morpeth to Clarencetown in May, 1844.His wife later re-married. Regards, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisa mc murray" <lisajoy60@hotmail.com> To: "Hunter Valley" <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [HV] Keppie and Campbell. > > Ian > Further to my note from yesterday here are the details of the graves that > I mentioned at Summerhill. The information comes from the Tillegra Dam > Impact Report as regard Quart Pot Cemetery. >

Well, thats reassuring, I thought I was totally barking up the wrong tree! The down side now though is that I am back to no leads! The Summerhill I am talking about is above Dungog, I think the map is Underbank, county of Gloucester and it looks to me like the original land grant was to a William Fisher. I am also pretty sure the Campbell I am looking for was from Scotland and may have just visited rather than lived in the area. I read about your Robert Campbells murder in the newspaper archives - very interesting. Regards Lisa McMurray

Subject: Re: [HV] Keppie and Campbell. Hello Lisa, I am a descendant of Robert Campbell who first owned 'Summerhill' at Clarence Town & there are no Johanna Campbells in his family or descendants.As you will be aware the Campbell name is spread far & wide, so it could be another Hunter Valley family. Ian Wright Hi Listers I see some Keppie notes on this mailing list but most are more than a few years old. Are there any Keppie researchers out there. looking particularly at James Keppie who married Johanna Campbell and had associations with Summerhill. Also interested to hear from anyone who believes that Johanna Campbell (born 1844, Lostock) was the illegitimate daughter of (Sir) Colin Campbell and Jessie Mclennan. Lisa McMurray Canada

Ian Further to my note from yesterday here are the details of the graves that I mentioned at Summerhill. The information comes from the Tillegra Dam Impact Report as regard Quart Pot Cemetery. http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/files/40223/H%20Cemetery%20Relocation%20Plan.pdf Summer Hill burial paddock (Fisher's property across from Munni House) NAME DATE OF BIRTH DATE OF DEAT John Fisher, 10th child of Jessie and William Fisher John Keppie, child of Johanna (Campbell) and James Keppie Regards Lisa

Hi Ian I don't have all my notes here but I can tell you that in the Summerhill paddock of the Quart Pot (or Munni) cemetery there is buried a child of James Keppie and Johanna Campbell According to my notes James and Johanna were also married at Summerhill with Jessie (nee McLennan) and William Fisher as witnesses. Jessie was Johanna's mother and Jessie and William Fisher were also married at Summerhill - I think all of their 11 children were born there. 1 of theirs is also buried in the Summerhill paddock. This is a mystery. Can you tell me more about your Robert Campbell and Summerhill? Regards Lisa McMurray > From: ianwright2@bigpond.com > To: AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:35:44 +1100 > Subject: [HV] Keppie and Campbell. > > > Subject: Re: [HV] Keppie and Campbell. > > > Hello Lisa, > I am a descendant of Robert Campbell who first owned > 'Summerhill' at Clarence Town & there are no Johanna Campbells in his family > or descendants.As you will be aware the Campbell name is spread far & wide, > so it could be another Hunter Valley family. > > Ian Wright > > Hi Listers > I see some Keppie notes on this mailing list but most are more than a few > years old. Are there any Keppie researchers out there. looking > particularly at James Keppie who married Johanna Campbell and had > associations with Summerhill. > Also interested to hear from anyone who believes that Johanna Campbell > (born 1844, Lostock) was the illegitimate daughter of (Sir) Colin Campbell > and Jessie Mclennan. > > Lisa McMurray > Canada > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Lisa I have some Keppie material (Alice Fairhall married John Usher Keppie 1880-1957 on 25 Oct 1911 at Paterson NSW) but nothing definitive apart from Johanna's name. I have a note as to her possible parentage, but as I have no Source recorded it was obviously advised prior to my starting computer recording around 1993, and I don't have time at present to go searching through earlier letter files. I can supply some Keppie data if it is of interest to you. Bruce Fairhall *HOME PAGE:* www.fairhall.id.au On 21/01/2011 6:14 PM, lisa mc murray wrote: > > Hi Listers > I see some Keppie notes on this mailing list but most are more than a few years old. Are there any Keppie researchers out there. looking particularly at James Keppie who married Johanna Campbell and had associations with Summerhill. > Also interested to hear from anyone who believes that Johanna Campbell (born 1844, Lostock) was the illegitimate daughter of (Sir) Colin Campbell and Jessie Mclennan. > > Lisa McMurray

Just tripped over http://www.wotsmygenes.com/index.asp Bye MargM List Admin

Thanks Bruce I have seen your web site and would be interested in anything you can add about the Keppie family, particularly the settlement and early life in Australia. Lisa

Hi Listers I see some Keppie notes on this mailing list but most are more than a few years old. Are there any Keppie researchers out there. looking particularly at James Keppie who married Johanna Campbell and had associations with Summerhill. Also interested to hear from anyone who believes that Johanna Campbell (born 1844, Lostock) was the illegitimate daughter of (Sir) Colin Campbell and Jessie Mclennan. Lisa McMurray Canada

Dear Marg and listers I think you'll find that this is based on my recent post at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY/2011-01/1295154102 I am not subscribed to the AUS-Qld list but the person who has passed on my post seems to have left off this item: If you haven't got access to a library subscription, there is a rather patchy collection on Google News which seems to use a different filming to that available on Trove: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19511222&b_mode=2 which is a link to FREE access to the most of the period covered by the subscription service I mentioned in http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NSW/2011-01/1295066922 Regards On 17 January 2011 22:18, Marg M <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote: > Thanks to Kerry Raymond on the Qld mailing list who prepared this >

Thanks to Kerry Raymond on the Qld mailing list who prepared this Just to summarise the situation for the Sydney Morning Herald Up to and including 1954, use http://trove.nla.gov.au/ (free) >From 1955 - start of 1995, you can use http://archives.smh.com.au/ (not free) >From 1990 - today, you can use the News Store http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/help/qa.ac?sy=nstore#top The SMH Archives is apparently free to NSW residents via their State Library. It is not clear if there is any free access to those of us in Qld -- our State Library website isn't working very well today (no doubt still recovering from the floods). But there is always the option of a paid subscription: 24hr Access $15.00 48hr Access $20.00 1 Week Subscription $25.00 1 Month Subscription $40.00 1 Year Subscription $395.00 If you make a list of all the lookups you wanted to do in that period (1955 - 1995), you could take one of the short subscriptions and race through and do them all at a pretty reasonable price. It should be noted that the SMH archives is like the Trove service, scanned images with OCR-ed text used for searching. The catch is that you cannot see the OCR-ed text nor correct it. So if the OCR gets a name wrong, then you will never find it using the SMH Archives search tool. However, if you know the date of the event, you can just look through specific issues until you find what you want. Happy hunting ! Bye MargM List Admin

Hi listers The State Library of Queensland is temporarily closed to the public as a result of the flood, but have posted advice online for those who might have documents photos etc which have been water damaged. Here's the Media Release ... 6 January 2011 Flood victims urged to put documents on ice Flood victims worried about what to do with precious mementos damaged by floodwaters should look to the power of the family freezer to help keep their keepsakes. The State Library of Queensland is urging the state’s flood affected residents and business owners to take some simple steps before throwing out damaged photographs, books, papers, videos and cassette tapes. State Library Manager of Collection Preservation Grant Collins said the key to salvaging as many items as possible is “don’t panic” and start with the most valuable. “It can be an emotional time, and people may throw out cherished and irreplaceable possessions damaged by water,” Mr Collins said. “However, in some cases they can be saved by washing mud and silt off with clean water, and careful drying.” A Salvaging Water Damaged Collections fact sheet offers simple, home based solutions for preserving books, documents, photographs, films, tapes, and digital media. “In many cases all you’ll need is a kitchen table, pedestal fan, some absorbent paper, a clothesline and following the basic process in the fact sheet,” Mr Collins said. “It’s important to prioritise based on deterioration time. We recommend people start with photographs and film, and move on to any paper documents and digital media.” “Wet paper can be held over for recovery just by popping it into a freezer, in a plastic bag, within 48 hours. Freezing is the best way to buy time as it reduces the risk of mould outbreak,” he said. “If no electricity is available, you may have to reassess your priorities based on the documents you feel most attached to.” “The key to recovering most of these documents is to get them dry as quickly as possible.” Tips for drying include pegging film and paper on an internal clothesline, using pedestal fans, lying loose papers flat on paper towel, and separating pages of books, and magazines. Advice on how to rescue water damaged collections can be found on the State Library of Queensland’s Preservation webpage www.slq.qld.gov.au/services/pres/advice. Badly damaged precious items may require professional conservation treatment. The Collection Preservation staff offer advice to organisations and community members, they can be contacted by email conservation@slq.qld.gov.au. Fact Sheet http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/services/pres/advice Regards Ian J

Hi listers Forgive cross-posting but just noticed this at: http://www2.sl.nsw.gov.au/databases/athome.cfm <quote> Sydney Morning Herald Archives The SMH archives contain 820,000 pages in almost 13,000 issues from January 1st, 1955 to December 31st, 1990. The contents of all issues of the Sydney Morning Herald and Sun Herald are fully text searchable including advertisements, captions and birth, death and marriage notices. Full-text results are returned in an exact digital reproduction of the printed pages as they were originally published. <unquote> "To participate you must be a New South Wales resident and must also be registered as a State Library client. If you are not a registered client of the Library, you can apply online. http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/using/membership/ You will need to allow up to 10 days to receive your Library card before you can use these databases from home." Your taxes at work! Happy searching Ian J

according to a member on ancestry her parents are       Richard Callaby          1817 – 1875          Ann Irwin / irving           1819 – 1883 perhaps she just wasnt registered? or registered elsewhere.. or Ann was a pet name. try the church where this couple got married? registered under Ann/e's junior is under ann seniors  maiden name?     Perhaps Ann was married prior to this and Irving/Irwin is not her maiden name? As when registered they often gave name at time of marriage. Not necessarily maiden name.:o)     Marraige NSW V1840603 73A/1840     CALLABY     RICHARD     IRVING     ANN     JA JA = Presbyterian Sydney, Scots Church married here. Has anyone a copy of early church records that they can check for ann Callaby? it may have info not available on records? any way only ideas.. cheers Jewelly

Hi Phoebe, Entry in Singleton Pioneer Register as follows:- John HOWARD b. c1843 m. 20.6.1868 Singleton d.21.12.1912 bur. Jerry's Plains son of Martin HOWARD and Joanna KELLY m Annie Callaby born c1845 d, 13.8.1929 bur. Jerry's Plains. Regards June Ann CALLABY married John HOWARD in Singleton RD in 1868. They had nine children in that area before 1888, all registered in Patricks Plain RD.

Hello Phoebe. I don't have much time, but here is a quick thought or two. If you search in the NSW online indexes for BIRTHS for CALLABY, my guess is that most of these people will be all from the same family in some way. Similarly look there under DEATHS for CALLABY and see what results. And likewise search separately under GROOMS and under BRIDES for CALLABY, to find marriages. Combining all of the results of those searches MIGHT give you "rough" family trees for the various families. It seems to me that your Ann's parents will most likely be Richard and Ann/Anne/Annie CALLABY. There are deaths for both of those on the site, it seems; so buying the death certificates for each of them might help you greatly. Also using the wildcard symbol of an asterisk: * might flush out others for you. >From what I could quickly see in the results for BIRTHS on that site, my guess is that they might have been an immigrant family, with Ann and at least one older brother possibly having been born overseas. However if your family information is that she was born in the Jerry's Plains area, then that may have been the case, and just not registered or indexed, etc. I searched for CALLABY in the NSW State Records online indexes as a Keyname, and found only ONE record for that surname, of a Maria CALLABY who came from Norfolk in England. The death certificates for each of those possible parents might give you their length of time in the Colonies, which might also assist you. Have you looked for your people -- CALLABY (as a less-common name, this might have fewer hits) or HOWARD in the www.nla.gov.au site, under their Australian Newspapers link? Do an ADVANCED SEARCH once you are in that link, and look in the Maitland Mercury only, and see what results you get. Also, if you should get to Sydney, then if you search in the OLD SYSTEM TITLE indexes at the former Land Titles Office (now LP&I if I recall correctly) under CALLABY and HOWARD you might find further records on the family. NSW Probate and Death Duties records at NSW State Records might also yield information for you. HTH. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phoebe" <fcutting@alphalink.com.au> > Hello - this is my first attempt via this list. I hope someone can help. > > Ann CALLABY married John HOWARD in Singleton RD in 1868. They had nine > children in that area before 1888, all registered in Patricks Plain RD. > I'm having no luck with Ann and John's parents, and can't find their > deaths. > > In theory Ann was born in Jerrys Plains in 1846, but she's not in the > index. Also in theory John was born in County Clare in 1835. > > If anyone else is doing this family I'd be very pleased to swap data: I > have descendants of the fifth child, Annie, who married John DALTON in > NSW in 1897. > > Phoebe (in Melbourne)

Hello - this is my first attempt via this list. I hope someone can help. Ann CALLABY married John HOWARD in Singleton RD in 1868. They had nine children in that area before 1888, all registered in Patricks Plain RD. I'm having no luck with Ann and John's parents, and can't find their deaths. In theory Ann was born in Jerrys Plains in 1846, but she's not in the index. Also in theory John was born in County Clare in 1835. If anyone else is doing this family I'd be very pleased to swap data: I have descendants of the fifth child, Annie, who married John DALTON in NSW in 1897. Phoebe (in Melbourne)

My warm thanks to all who have recently posted helpful information for me about NSW records. I haven't had time to follow the advice yet, but hope to find the Register Numbers from the Index over the weekend and work with the reels at the library early next week. Ken Thompson

Hi Ken It is very important to read the Short Guide No.4 fully Short Guide 4 - Attorney General and Justice: Registers of births, deaths and marriages Historical background of early records Registrar General Pre-1856 Registers and Supplementary Records Arrangement of registers Listing of registers by ceremony Indexes to the registers Detailed list of registers About this guide Restriction on photocopying Microfilming of records This guide covers all the details of the registers, the missing record information and very importantly the RESTRICTIONS ON PHOTOCOPYING Most important you must have the Register No from the indexes example V1840 262 44 means V1840 (Year) 262 (Record No) 44 (Volume) The NSW Births, Deaths and Marriages website has been updated with births now up to 1910, deaths to 1980 and Marriages to 1960 Regards Shirley