Dear Lisa, A lot of Hunter and Manning newspapers have been indexed by Rod and Wendy GOW, and some are recorded on line, but I am not sure to what extent. >From that index you may get an actual date, and from that it would be relatively easy to find the notice. Even though country papers are relatively small, without a date it is probably like looking for a needle in a haystack. Try google something like Gow Indexes and see what you come up with. Regards, Bill > > Wondering if someone could look up entries in the Manning River times > 1898-1907 for the following entries, > > > > > > Fisher W Mrs Snr > Death > 82 > Munni Williams River > > Fisher William > In Mem (d 1903) > 86 > William's River > > Fisher William Snr > Death > 86 > Dungog - of Munni > > Fisher William Snr > Death > > William's River > > > > > Ryan John > Death > 23 > Hanley's Creek Dungog >

I to am happy to contribute to such a worth while source. Hazel

Lisa   I noticed you want information on a John Ryan - do you know who his parents were or anything about him.   I have Ryan's in my family tree namely Thomas Ryan who married Mary Ann Berigan (various spellings of surname found).   Just wondering if there is a connection.   Roseanne

Wondering if someone could look up entries in the Manning River times 1898-1907 for the following entries, Fisher W Mrs Snr Death 82 Munni Williams River Fisher William In Mem (d 1903) 86 William's River Fisher William Snr Death 86 Dungog - of Munni Fisher William Snr Death William's River Ryan John Death 23 Hanley's Creek Dungog Many Thanks Lisa McMurray Canada

Hi Ray & Bill and list, the law varied over time and between colonies/states. There is a good explanation of the HISTORICAL position in NSW at: http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lrc.nsf/pages/r47toc See, in particular, http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lrc.nsf/pages/R47CHP2 for a discussion of the formalities of a will prior to 1986 and http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lrc.nsf/pages/R47CHP8 for a discussion to the history of witnesses as beneficiaries, The advice is of a general nature. If you need legal advice, consult a qualified and practising lawyer in your jurisdiction. Regards On 11 February 2011 10:57, <ray15@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >

Hi Ray ,that is right unless it is the way the will is written. In my family one of the 1/2 sister's witness dad signiture and was listed in the will.as well We could of said no but solicitor advised that the other 2 sister's were all included in the same way, and they would get the money and then could give her, her's back. so was advised to let it go. 2002 but we can contest the will when the stepmother pass on. June Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: <ray15@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [HV] A Genealogical puzzle >I agree with you Bill. > > The prohibition is that one cannot be a WITNESS to a Will in which one is > a beneficiary -- if I recall my former studies correctly. > >> > > >> >> > >> >

Hi all, Looking for other people researching the family of Thomas Garland (convict b1812 in Bermondsey London) and Annie Jones (b 1815 NSW), who lived and worked on teh estate of Charles Boydell. Associated names include Pascoe, Lawrence, Lee, Kemp, Keppie, Hancock, Fox, and many others. Sharon

I agree with you Bill. The prohibition is that one cannot be a WITNESS to a Will in which one is a beneficiary -- if I recall my former studies correctly. ray > Bill <oldboybill@westnet.com.au> wrote: > > Dear Lisa, > She can be Executor and beneficiary, usually sole beneficiary. > Only looking at the Probate Packet will tell, because the Last Will and > Testament will probably nominate her relationship. > Regards, Bill > > > > > I think it would be unlikely that a wife would be the executrix as she > > > would presumably be the beneficary of her husbands estate ....

It is possible that if one brother died, that she married the other brother. Anything is possible with family history. Tracie

Hello I have checked the NSW death entries but cant find the death for Frank (Francis) Jones born in Vic 1879 Parents James Jones and Mary Ellen Barton. Frank moved to Newcastle and gave his sisters address as next of Kin in WW1 and WW11 so assume he died in Newcastle as well If I cant find his death on the NSW web site for BDM no other indexes can help? Regards Kate

Hello I looking for descendants of Robert Cottier and Mary Jane Jones who married in Newcastle 1889. They had one child as far as I know Clarence William Cottier Also would like to contact desc of Melville James Jones who married Margaret Davey and their son James Melville Jones Regards Kate

Dear Lisa, The Probate and Insolvency you found at the office of the Solicitor would no doubt be his copy. The Original Last Will and Testament would be in the Probate Packet at Kingswood. The Original File for Insolvency with all the hearing details and Statements would also be at Kingswood. I could have checked today had this message arrived yesterday, as I have been at Kingswood all day. Regards, Bill > > Do you have a copy of the will? That should confirm the relationship > between Edith and Tichborne/John > If you don't you could check the NSW state records for a probate package > though not all cases seem to have been stored there. > > I was recently looking for probate/insolvency records and I found them in > the lawyers office in Dungog where they were dealt with more than 80 years > ago.

Dear Lisa, She can be Executor and beneficiary, usually sole beneficiary. Only looking at the Probate Packet will tell, because the Last Will and Testament will probably nominate her relationship. Regards, Bill > > I think it would be unlikely that a wife would be the executrix as she > would presumably be the beneficary of her husbands estate so my guess is > that Tichbourne is her brother-in -law. >

Thanks so much both Lisa and Michael for responding, and I think Michael is right as I completely overlooked the fact that John of 1894 being only 13 years. That will teach me to put more milk in the Weet Bix for breakfast. Thanks so much, I still cannot locate more about that John of 1894 though, but if his brother was using the name, I dare say he has died in infancy and I just have not located him. Okay,, thanks to everyone again. Margaret ************************* Margaret Bauer Qld, Australia bauerm@tpg.com.au *************************

On Thursday 10 February 2011 10:59:48 lisa mc murray wrote: > I think it would be unlikely that a wife would be the executrix as she > would presumably be the beneficary of her husbands estate so my guess is > that Tichbourne is her brother-in -law. > I disagree. There is nothing to prevent a beneficiary being the executor of a will. It happens regularly. It also makes sense that someone with the rather unusual name of Tichbourne (this is a name derived from a place - probably the village of Tichborne in Hampshire near Winchester) would prefer to use his second name or indeed his father's name. So I would go with John T HANNAH who married May Edith WANT at Mclean being the same person as Tichbourne Thomas HANNAH. In addition, John HANNAH b. 1894 would not be marrying at the age of 13! Grafton and Mclean are quite close to each other on the lower Clarence river. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au ====

Hi Listers I have a bit of a dilemma and am hoping someone who likes puzzles can solve this for me, or indeed if someone who has them linked to their tree might be able to tell what is what here.. I have a John Hannah (1854-1927) married to a Sarah Cosby (?-1935). They had about 13 children. The 1st being a son Tichbourne Thomas Hannah (1881-1950) could not locate a marriage for Tichbourne. The 7th child to the family was a John Hannah (1894-1950). The NSW BDM's gives that John T [homas] Hannah (as one would think ) married May Edith Want 1907 at Maclean, NSW. Now, that all seems straight forward, until via Trove I located the probate record for the 1st son who we said was Tichbourne, and it reads briefly as follows - "In the Will of Tichbourne Thomas Hannah (known as John Thomas Hannah and also as Thomas Hannah) late of Grafton in the state of NSW, pensioner, deceased, -Application will be made after 14 days from publication hereof that probate of the last will and testament dated 23rd April 1946 of the abovenamed deceased may be granted to May Edith Hannah the sole executrix named in the said will and all notices be served at the undersigned address. etc. etc. etc." (more, but not applicable to my query). This therefore looks and appears that May Edith Want's husband was Tichbourne, so that raises the question of what then happened to the brother John Hannah born 1894 some 13 years after Tichbourne. Am I reading the above wrong and am "assuming" May Edith was therefore the wife of Tichbourne whereas he just might have authorised his sister-in-law to be the Executrix, or what. Hoping someone's fresh brain might see what I am obviously not seeing here, and give me a nudge in the right direction. Thankyou Margaret ************************* Margaret Bauer Qld, Australia bauerm@tpg.com.au *************************

Do you have a copy of the will? That should confirm the relationship between Edith and Tichborne/John If you don't you could check the NSW state records for a probate package though not all cases seem to have been stored there. I was recently looking for probate/insolvency records and I found them in the lawyers office in Dungog where they were dealt with more than 80 years ago. Lisa

I think it would be unlikely that a wife would be the executrix as she would presumably be the beneficary of her husbands estate so my guess is that Tichbourne is her brother-in -law. Lisa McMurray Canada

Dear Listers Its hoped enough money can be raised so the National Library can digitise The Dawn and add it to Trove. http://digitisethedawn.org bye MargM List Admin

Forwarded by Jenny Subject: New Zealand - 20 million records now online at Ancestry This was from this afternoon's (NZ time) New Zealand Herald. "New Zealanders will be able to delve through their family history as more than 20 million family history records go online today. The records cover 140 years of New Zealand's history from 1842-1981 from the six major historical collections - the New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1853-1981, Canterbury Provincial Rolls 1868-1874, Jury Lists 1842-1862, Maori Voter and Electoral Rolls 1908 and 1919, Maori Land Claims 1858-1980 and New Zealand Naturalisations 1843-1981. All the collections, found at www.ancestry.com.au, have been digitised and individual records fully indexed. They were able to find actors Russell Crowe's Maori ancestors using the records, ancestry.com.au content director Brad Argent said. His maternal grandmother was from the Ngati Rangi tribe, a sub-tribe of Ngati Porou, from the East Coast of the North Island." Maybe now some of those missing ancestors can be found :-) Cheers, Linda To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message