Thank You Patricia for the info on the Harpur family. My grandmother was Reme Irene Harpur, gt gt grandaughter of Joseph Harpur. Ray, I heard on the family grapevine years back that when John McArthur went back to England and his wife Elizabeth stayed here in Australia that Joseph lived at Elizabeth Farm and helped Elizabeth with the running of the place. I was also told once, that Sarah (Chidley) helped with the running of the female factory. Cheers from Jennie in Thunderbolt Country Northern New South Wales. _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454