Hi Bill Many thanks for that much appreciated Regards Lynette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <oldboybill@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Kezia Baldwin > Dear Lynette, > Image sent off list. > Sincerely, Bill > > >> Hi Bill >> >> Could I please have a copy of the Death notice for >> >> 22 Mar 1887. Keilia ??? BALDWIN died 18 Mar 1887 at WINDSOR wife of >> Alfred. >> Aged 41. >> >> Kezia BALDWIN nee COBCROFT > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.13420 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hi Bill Could I please have a copy of the Death notice for 22 Mar 1887. Keilia ??? BALDWIN died 18 Mar 1887 at WINDSOR wife of Alfred. Aged 41. Kezia BALDWIN nee COBCROFT Many thanks Lynette

Thank you to Kelly who gave me info on these people from ancestry. Much appreciated. Keith Hayden

Further to Bill's posting regarding the death of William Wood 1886. Rev William Wood was the rector at St. James Anglican Church at Pitt Town 1869-1886. As mentioned he died 24th February 1886 and is buried in the St James Churchyard at Pitt Town. The verse on headstone reads: "A vigorous preacher and a homely wit" His wife, Mary Wood is buried in the same plot, she died the previous year on the 31st October 1885. You can see a picture of the headstone at http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/cemetery/pitt_town_st_james/ptsjc003.html Cheers Michelle Nichols ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:40:11 +1100 > From: "Bill" <oldboybill@westnet.com.au> > Subject: [HHHV] Correction to Rev WOOD death Rev W WOOD died on 24 Feb 1886, not as posted.

Hi Bill Could I please have a copy of the Death notice for 22 Mar 1887. Keilia ??? BALDWIN died 18 Mar 1887 at WINDSOR wife of Alfred. Aged 41. Kezia BALDWIN nee COBCROFT MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <oldboybill@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: [HHHV] Hawkesbury Deaths. SMH 1887 > Good evening list, > > As I gather information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found > the following deaths relating to the Hawkesbury in the 1887 Sydney Morning > Herald publications.

Hi Keith Just so your records are correct, Darby and Timothy were tried in Tipperary on the 7 April 1827 for abduction and not tried in Cork. My records also state that Darby received a Conditional Pardon on 1 July 1842 and Timothy on 1 February 1843. The Conditional Pardons do state that both men were from Tipperary as does the Indent for the transport. You are probably aware that both received a Life sentence and not a 7 year one as stated in the 1828 NSW Census. Neither men applied to marry whilst serving their sentence Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Victor & Keith Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:44 PM To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [HHHV] Darby & Timothy Ryan Convicts This is my first posting to the list. I would be interested in hearing fromo anyone researching Darby & Timothy Ryan brothers who were sentenced in Cork Ire in 1827 and arrived NSW 8th Nov 1827. Darby was assigned to John Turnbull at Portland Head and Timothy to Fanny Day of Pitt Town. I have nothing further on Darby, maybe a death registered for hin in 1880 Windsor NSW. Timothy seems to be known as Edward married Ellen Denahy in 1853 Maitland and lived Warkworth NSW he is my 3xgreat grandfather. Look forward to any further info on these two people. Bye now Keith Hayden Charlestown NSW

Good evening list, As I gather information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following deaths relating to the Hawkesbury in the 1887 Sydney Morning Herald publications. 11 Mar 1887. Friends of William H NICHOLS are invited to the funeral of his wife Mary Jane NICHOLS. From Orange G.... LEICHHARDT THIS (FRIDAY) afternoon at 3.30pm to Redfern Railway train to WINDSOR. Interment to take place SATURDAY AFTERNOON, CE Cemetery WINDSOR, leaving the residence of her father, Edward ROBERTS, Richmond Road WINDSOR. Edward R WOOD & Co. Separate notice William, Robert, George, Edward, Henry, John and Charles J ROBERTS invited friends to funeral of their sister. Another notice by James MILLER, John O'BRIEN and William FOGG invited friends to the funeral of their sister-in-law. 22 Mar 1887. Keilia ??? BALDWIN died 18 Mar 1887 at WINDSOR wife of Alfred. Aged 41. 26 Mar 1887. Mary Jane NICHOLS. 10 Mar 1887 at LEICHHARDT. Fourth daughter of Edward RICHARDS, Mulgrave Cottage, Richmond Road WINDSOR. Interred WINDSOR CE Cemetery. Sincerely,Bill E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13400 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

This is my first posting to the list. I would be interested in hearing fromo anyone researching Darby & Timothy Ryan brothers who were sentenced in Cork Ire in 1827 and arrived NSW 8th Nov 1827. Darby was assigned to John Turnbull at Portland Head and Timothy to Fanny Day of Pitt Town. I have nothing further on Darby, maybe a death registered for hin in 1880 Windsor NSW. Timothy seems to be known as Edward married Ellen Denahy in 1853 Maitland and lived Warkworth NSW he is my 3xgreat grandfather. Look forward to any further info on these two people. Bye now Keith Hayden Charlestown NSW

Also look at http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2554704?searchTerm=%22darby+rya n%22 http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2197574?searchTerm=%22darby+rya n%22 I have found some more on ancestry.com that I will fwd to your email -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kelly & Mark Bagdon Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 12:59 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] Darby & Timothy Ryan Convicts I found 2 Darby Ryans in the 1828 Census, your one (who arrived in 1827) is shown as 20 yrs old, Catholic, Government Servant, Ship was Eliza, transported in 1827 for 7 years, occupation Labourer, district was Portland Head and other names used included 'Turnbull'. Timothy shown as 21 yrs, arriving 1827 on Eliza, Catholic, same sentence of 7 yrs, Labourer, district was Pitt Town, other surnames 'Day'. Will look at my other resources for you now. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Victor & Keith Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 12:44 PM To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [HHHV] Darby & Timothy Ryan Convicts This is my first posting to the list. I would be interested in hearing fromo anyone researching Darby & Timothy Ryan brothers who were sentenced in Cork Ire in 1827 and arrived NSW 8th Nov 1827. Darby was assigned to John Turnbull at Portland Head and Timothy to Fanny Day of Pitt Town. I have nothing further on Darby, maybe a death registered for hin in 1880 Windsor NSW. Timothy seems to be known as Edward married Ellen Denahy in 1853 Maitland and lived Warkworth NSW he is my 3xgreat grandfather. Look forward to any further info on these two people. Bye now Keith Hayden Charlestown NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found 2 Darby Ryans in the 1828 Census, your one (who arrived in 1827) is shown as 20 yrs old, Catholic, Government Servant, Ship was Eliza, transported in 1827 for 7 years, occupation Labourer, district was Portland Head and other names used included 'Turnbull'. Timothy shown as 21 yrs, arriving 1827 on Eliza, Catholic, same sentence of 7 yrs, Labourer, district was Pitt Town, other surnames 'Day'. Will look at my other resources for you now. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Victor & Keith Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 12:44 PM To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [HHHV] Darby & Timothy Ryan Convicts This is my first posting to the list. I would be interested in hearing fromo anyone researching Darby & Timothy Ryan brothers who were sentenced in Cork Ire in 1827 and arrived NSW 8th Nov 1827. Darby was assigned to John Turnbull at Portland Head and Timothy to Fanny Day of Pitt Town. I have nothing further on Darby, maybe a death registered for hin in 1880 Windsor NSW. Timothy seems to be known as Edward married Ellen Denahy in 1853 Maitland and lived Warkworth NSW he is my 3xgreat grandfather. Look forward to any further info on these two people. Bye now Keith Hayden Charlestown NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good evening list, I apologise for the wrong date appearing in my post yesterday. Rev W WOOD died on 24 Feb 1886, not as posted. Sincerely,Bill E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13400 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

Dear Lesley Uebel, You advised me some weeks ago [22/7/09] that Mary Henley per Lucy Davidson had made a convict application to marry James Taylor per Roslyn Castle which was refused. I have recently been able to view this record at SR. As you know this information is held in the 'Refused' index and is dated 20/9/1843. I was unable to find the original application to the Col Sec. I have reason to need to know the date that the application was first made; do you know if this record still exists? I am very grateful for your help, Stephanie.

Good evening list, Gathering information to index into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following deaths in the Sydney Morning Herald with Hawkesbury connections. 4 Feb 1886. Henry James HOADLEY. Funeral Notice for FRI 5th Feb 1886 at 2 o'clock from his residence, Forbes Street WINDSOR. 10 Feb 1886. Death of Captain Henry J HOADLEY, Bramble Cottage, WINDSOR, on 3 Feb 1886, native of Deptford, ENGLAND. 27 Feb 1886. Death of Rev W WOOD of The Parsonage, PITT TOWN, on 24 Feb 1998, aged 73. I feel sure the death of his wife was posted recently. NB. This is the second time recently that a Funeral Notices has appeared, then a week or so later a Death Notice has been inserted in the newspaper, which may be worth noting for future use. Sincerely,Bill E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13400 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

Glebe relates to land belonging to the church, and was used to support the church by way of rents & leases etc. In your case it was owned by the Church of England in Windsor although the land was situated in Wilberforce. A new parish was established in 1825 which covered the Pitt Town, Wilberforce and Sackville areas and services were then held on a more regular basis in these areas. There is an article in the Sydney Gazette 6 Feb 1828 p. 4 - regarding the sale of some glebe lands, including Windsor - you can access on the Historic Australian Newspapers website at http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home Try and access an early map of Wilberforce and then identify the names mentioned. It will probably be close to the Church/Cemetery and Common. I checked the parish maps which are online at http://www.lands.nsw.gov.au/survey_maps/maps_and_imagery/parish_maps but they do not have a town map scanned, you can check the parish map and see if that may help. The Index to Col Sec records which you have your original reference may have information under WILBERFORCE. There are also some records held by State Records regarding the Church of England and they relate to the establishment of particular church and schools. You would have to search their catalogue to obtain the correct series, and these are records that you will have to access at State Records, Kingswood. They may assist. BTW if you have access to the book "Early Days of Windsor" by James Steele, there is map in the back dated 1835. It shows the area around the St. Matthew's Church of England Rectory and it is called "Glebe House and lands". Cheers, Michelle Nichols > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:42:55 +1000 > From: "Keith Skinner" <keith.lists@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: [HHHV] Signatory to Memorial re Windsor Glebe > Can someone let me know what was the Windsor Glebe. > We the undersigned Inhabitants of the District of Wilberforce and entitled > to the right of Common in the said District, hereby consent to give up that > portion of the Common lying between the back corner of Burgess's Farm (now > in the possessions of Charles Cross) and the south west corner of > Cavanaugh's Farm and thence to the river, provided the same be appropriated > to the purposes as named in a Memorial hereto announced, and where in plan > of the said piece of land is laid down from the Colonial Charts, and marked > No. 3.

Hello Keith. Here is a link to the results of a google search asking what are glebe lands in general; and not specifically the Windsor Glebe; just in case that might help you too. http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&fkt=2469&fsdt=8344&q=what+are+%22glebe+lands%22&meta=&aq=f&oq=&aqi= Whilst each will be informative, the fourth 'hit' from the top is specifically relating to Australian legislation in 1865. HTH. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Skinner" <keith.lists@ozemail.com.au> ... Can someone let me know what was the Windsor Glebe. ...

Hi My Joseph Davis was a signatory to Memorial re: Windsor Glebe (Fiche 3056; 4/1832 No.431A) dated the 28/12/1822 Can someone let me know what was the Windsor Glebe. The memorial note reads as follows with many signatures below. Wilberforce December 28th 1822 We the undersigned Inhabitants of the District of Wilberforce and entitled to the right of Common in the said District, hereby consent to give up that portion of the Common lying between the back corner of Burgess's Farm (now in the possessions of Charles Cross) and the south west corner of Cavanaugh's Farm and thence to the river, provided the same be appropriated to the purposes as named in a Memorial hereto announced, and where in plan of the said piece of land is laid down from the Colonial Charts, and marked No. 3. All assistance would be appreciated. Regards - Keith Skinner

Hi Kelly and Mark I know of two connections with the descendants of Rachel EATHER/John NORRIS - their daughter Rachael NORRIS married John COLBRAN. Their son, Thomas Henry COLBRAN married William Charles BAILEY who is a descendant of William BAKER (convict 1790 Neptune) and his life spouse, Mary Ann Raycroft - through their daughter Mary. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WilliamBaker-Neptune1790/ William Charles BAILEY was also a double descendant of Ann SMITH (sister of Joseph SMITH) - from two of her spouses - Thomas BAILEY and George TAYLOR - yep, Ann's grandchildren, Jane Cleaver and William BAILEY married. I have a lot of information on these two families. Lorrae Glenore Grove Qld 4342 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:jmac2005@tpg.com.au] Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 6:13 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] Hello :) I also have a connection to the EATHER/NORRIS, Rachel EATHER/John NORRIS daughter Maria NORRIS who married (i) Patrick Dunn then (ii) Peter PAGE, my line.. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly & Mark Bagdon" <whitebagdon@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: [HHHV] Hello :) > Hello J > > There is a few families I am interested in the Hawkesbury; probably > have a few in common with other listers. > > Firstly, the Eather and Norris families. They are quite large > families; my interest is through the marriage of Rachel Eather to John > Norris. Their daughter Susannah, who married Isaac Cook, is another > research interest of mine. > > Also the Halls, Cooks, and connected families of the region. > > Another interest of mine lies in the Pittman/Sunderland families. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4475 (20091002) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Jenelle! Lovely to find another Rachel descendant! -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 6:13 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] Hello :) I also have a connection to the EATHER/NORRIS, Rachel EATHER/John NORRIS daughter Maria NORRIS who married (i) Patrick Dunn then (ii) Peter PAGE, my line.. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly & Mark Bagdon" <whitebagdon@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: [HHHV] Hello :) > Hello J > > > > There is a few families I am interested in the Hawkesbury; probably have a > few in common with other listers. > > > > Firstly, the Eather and Norris families. They are quite large families; my > interest is through the marriage of Rachel Eather to John Norris. Their > daughter Susannah, who married Isaac Cook, is another research interest of > mine. > > > > Also the Halls, Cooks, and connected families of the region. > > > > Another interest of mine lies in the Pittman/Sunderland families. > > > > **I have noticed that many researchers have published that John Pittman > (son > of John Matthew Pittman & Mary Sunderland) was married to Margaret > McGarrett. > > > > This is incorrect. There WAS a John Pittman married to a Margaret > McGarrett, > and they had many children. However this is not John, son of John Matthew > and Mary Pittman. > > > > John Pittman, son of J.M & Mary Pittman ('my' John) was actually involved > with Margaret Jane VOYSEY. I say 'involved', because although they claim > to > have been married on their daughter's birth certificate, and later, on > John's death certificate, I have yet to find any record of this. On their > daughter Hannah Pittman's birth certificate in 1856, they clearly state > the > father as JOHN PITTMAN, and the mother as Margaret Jane formerly VOYSEY. > > > > John died the following year and on his death certificate, his parents' > names appear as John Matthew Pittman & Mary formely Sunderland; and his > wife > appears as Margaret Pittman formerly Voysey. > > > > The other John & Margaret keep having children for many years after this; > obviously this would have been impossible for John, son of John Matthew, > as > he was dead. > > > > I would love to hear from any Pittman or other family researchers. For any > Pittmans, I have quite a lot of Voysey information which I would be more > than happy to share and would be happy to share transcript information. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.0/2406 - Release Date: 09/30/09 18:56:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also have a connection to the EATHER/NORRIS, Rachel EATHER/John NORRIS daughter Maria NORRIS who married (i) Patrick Dunn then (ii) Peter PAGE, my line.. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly & Mark Bagdon" <whitebagdon@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: [HHHV] Hello :) > Hello J > > > > There is a few families I am interested in the Hawkesbury; probably have a > few in common with other listers. > > > > Firstly, the Eather and Norris families. They are quite large families; my > interest is through the marriage of Rachel Eather to John Norris. Their > daughter Susannah, who married Isaac Cook, is another research interest of > mine. > > > > Also the Halls, Cooks, and connected families of the region. > > > > Another interest of mine lies in the Pittman/Sunderland families. > > > > **I have noticed that many researchers have published that John Pittman > (son > of John Matthew Pittman & Mary Sunderland) was married to Margaret > McGarrett. > > > > This is incorrect. There WAS a John Pittman married to a Margaret > McGarrett, > and they had many children. However this is not John, son of John Matthew > and Mary Pittman. > > > > John Pittman, son of J.M & Mary Pittman ('my' John) was actually involved > with Margaret Jane VOYSEY. I say 'involved', because although they claim > to > have been married on their daughter's birth certificate, and later, on > John's death certificate, I have yet to find any record of this. On their > daughter Hannah Pittman's birth certificate in 1856, they clearly state > the > father as JOHN PITTMAN, and the mother as Margaret Jane formerly VOYSEY. > > > > John died the following year and on his death certificate, his parents' > names appear as John Matthew Pittman & Mary formely Sunderland; and his > wife > appears as Margaret Pittman formerly Voysey. > > > > The other John & Margaret keep having children for many years after this; > obviously this would have been impossible for John, son of John Matthew, > as > he was dead. > > > > I would love to hear from any Pittman or other family researchers. For any > Pittmans, I have quite a lot of Voysey information which I would be more > than happy to share and would be happy to share transcript information. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.0/2406 - Release Date: 09/30/09 18:56:00

Hello J There is a few families I am interested in the Hawkesbury; probably have a few in common with other listers. Firstly, the Eather and Norris families. They are quite large families; my interest is through the marriage of Rachel Eather to John Norris. Their daughter Susannah, who married Isaac Cook, is another research interest of mine. Also the Halls, Cooks, and connected families of the region. Another interest of mine lies in the Pittman/Sunderland families. **I have noticed that many researchers have published that John Pittman (son of John Matthew Pittman & Mary Sunderland) was married to Margaret McGarrett. This is incorrect. There WAS a John Pittman married to a Margaret McGarrett, and they had many children. However this is not John, son of John Matthew and Mary Pittman. John Pittman, son of J.M & Mary Pittman ('my' John) was actually involved with Margaret Jane VOYSEY. I say 'involved', because although they claim to have been married on their daughter's birth certificate, and later, on John's death certificate, I have yet to find any record of this. On their daughter Hannah Pittman's birth certificate in 1856, they clearly state the father as JOHN PITTMAN, and the mother as Margaret Jane formerly VOYSEY. John died the following year and on his death certificate, his parents' names appear as John Matthew Pittman & Mary formely Sunderland; and his wife appears as Margaret Pittman formerly Voysey. The other John & Margaret keep having children for many years after this; obviously this would have been impossible for John, son of John Matthew, as he was dead. I would love to hear from any Pittman or other family researchers. For any Pittmans, I have quite a lot of Voysey information which I would be more than happy to share and would be happy to share transcript information.