Hi Listers, I am helping a fellow Wiseman researcher who believes he may be descended from Solomon Wiseman, although he knows he has some Polynesian blood and was born in NZ before coming to NSW as a small child. I have a booklet published in 1967, compiled by Charles Swancott and called simply "Wiseman's Ferry." It is mainly just a collection of facts gleaned from various places and not all referenced, unfortunately. There is some conflicting information in the book: William Wiseman (son of Solomon) married Matilda Grono (fact) in 1828. They had a daughter, Jane in 1830 or 31. William drowned in the brig "Industry" in 1831.(don't know if this is true) "His widow married RUGIG a Maori chief." (i.e. Rugig was a male.) Then.... Mary Ann Wiseman, daughter of William Wiseman and RUGIG born about 1830 was baptised 29/11/1837 (confirmed from NSW BDM) Now Rugig is a female! The next entry: "Sophia Betty Wiseman, daughter of William Wiseman and a NZ woman" was baptised 30/9/1832. Can anyone help clarify this mess? Was William fathering children to Rugig while married to Matilda? Were there many Maori women over here in the early days of the colony? Who was Rugig? The chap whom I am helping was placed in a home at a very young age and knows little of his family. He says his great grandfather is buried in NZ, and that he used to go to Wiseman's ferry with an uncle to see an old man who was a relative, who lived in a shack there after his 99 year lease had run out. Any suggestions please? Marie

Good morning to all.  I would like to thank those who responded to my request regarding 'Sackville' - the Everingham's are not related to me. My Ggg grandfather was Paul Bushell - Surprise 1790.  I recently came across a site that listed Paul being assigned to a Mr Williamson of Wilberforce.   Can anyone assist with any information on Mr Williamson?  Paul only worked for this man until about 1800/1802. Kind regards Sandra Burton __________________________________________________________________________________ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/

Hi Maureen There is a Florence Ettie PARRY at Sandgate, 24/12/1924, aged 39, CoE, section 68A grave 113. There is also a John 26/05/1903, no age, General, section 35 grave 10. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen" To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: [HHHV] PARRY & CLAYTON > Hi List, > > I'm researching John Edward PARRY who married Florence E BEAVEN in 1903. > I have been told they had a child John Edward PARRY who is buried in > Sandgate Cemetery.

Hi List, I'm researching John Edward PARRY who married Florence E BEAVEN in 1903. I have been told they had a child John Edward PARRY who is buried in Sandgate Cemetery. Could sks please look up Sandgate Cemetery for any of the above. TIA Maureen Martin Ferris

Henry Rotton was originally was in charge of cedar felling on the Manning River. Then he lived at Mt Lambie before going to Bathurst. By 1849 he had over 20 Mail coaches with runs extending as far as Penrith. He was originally from Frome, Somerset, born 1814, son of Gilbert and Mary. He was later a member of the 2nd Legislative Assembly NSW and also represented Hartley i the 3rd and 4th Parliaments. Information taken from Bathurst Pioneers Register. HTH Marie

...... A bit off the beaten track I realise , but I wonder if John Rotten was related to a 'Henry Rotton' who delivered mail between Bathurst and Carcoar around the 1850's ... I only came across the name 'Rotton' last week as I am trying to work out who the poor soul was who ran over and killed little Susanna Mary NORTH in 1855 .... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Koperberg" <jank@eftel.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Dr Parmeter & ROTTON > Hello Ray and Lynette > > In 1829, my 3rd great grandfather, John Ross, bought 100 acres of the > Newington estate from John Rotton. I have 2nd great grandparents, Michael > and Maria O'Leary buried in the Queen St Catholic Cemetery in Singleton > and E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13560 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hi again Rosemary , I've had another look at the BMDs & Francis Parmeter married Rosemary Beattie in 1878, at Patricks Plains, so it looks a possibility. Regards, Norma. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Beattie" <rkbt@gil.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Dr Parmeter > Hi Norma and Michelle > It was a very interesting episode. Do we know which of Thomas' > children Maggie was descended from? >

Hi Rosemary, Maggie was descended from a Thomas, who Michelle said in her e-mail was " Thomas Randall b 11-6-1822 Windsor d 12-9-1904 Warkworth m 10-4-1845 West Maitland, Catherine Allen" . According to the BMDs, they had a Francis in 1849 , so it could well be the line you are interested in. He in turn could have had a son Francis. It would be worth you following it up to find out. Regards, Norma. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Beattie" <rkbt@gil.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Dr Parmeter > Hi Norma and Michelle > It was a very interesting episode. Do we know which of Thomas' > children Maggie was descended from? > > Rosanna Beattie, (the sister of my ancestor, William Beattie) married > Francis Parmeter who was a grandson of Thomas so we are distantly > related but only by marriage. > > Best wishes > Rosemary > > > ------------------------------- >

Hi Jan Thanks for the info very interesting, it sure is a small world & I bet most of us with family from around this area would have some connection in some way. Regards Lynette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Koperberg" <jank@eftel.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Dr Parmeter & ROTTON > Hello Ray and Lynette > > In 1829, my 3rd great grandfather, John Ross, bought 100 acres of the > Newington estate from John Rotton. I have 2nd great grandparents, Michael > and Maria O'Leary buried in the Queen St Catholic Cemetery in Singleton > and > when I was photographing their headstone, I came across headstones for the > McMenamin family and one for a Parmeter, which I photographed, because I > knew someone researching the two families. The Parmeter headstone is for > Jane Meredith Parmeter, died 25 July 1892, aged 2 years and 9 months. I > believe she was the daughter of Thomas Parmeter (not the doctor) and Mary > McMenamin. Little Jane Meredith Parmeter must have been a descendant of > Dr > Thomas Parmeter and Jane Meredith. We all seem to have connections in > some > way. > > Regards > Jan Koperberg > Blue Mountains > >> Hello Lynette. >> Quite a few years back, we were visiting the Singleton Museum, in a park >> right in Singleton itself; and the local historical society who run the >> museum had a small booklet for sale about the ROTTON family. >> HTH: Ray > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hello Ray and Lynette In 1829, my 3rd great grandfather, John Ross, bought 100 acres of the Newington estate from John Rotton. I have 2nd great grandparents, Michael and Maria O'Leary buried in the Queen St Catholic Cemetery in Singleton and when I was photographing their headstone, I came across headstones for the McMenamin family and one for a Parmeter, which I photographed, because I knew someone researching the two families. The Parmeter headstone is for Jane Meredith Parmeter, died 25 July 1892, aged 2 years and 9 months. I believe she was the daughter of Thomas Parmeter (not the doctor) and Mary McMenamin. Little Jane Meredith Parmeter must have been a descendant of Dr Thomas Parmeter and Jane Meredith. We all seem to have connections in some way. Regards Jan Koperberg Blue Mountains > Hello Lynette. > Quite a few years back, we were visiting the Singleton Museum, in a park > right in Singleton itself; and the local historical society who run the > museum had a small booklet for sale about the ROTTON family. > HTH: Ray

Hi Ray Thanks for that bit of info, must remember next time I am down Singleton way and will have a look. Regards.....Lynette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" <ray15@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Dr Parmeter & ROTTON > Hello Lynette. > Quite a few years back, we were visiting the Singleton Museum, in a park > right in Singleton itself; and the local historical society who run the > museum had a small booklet for sale about the ROTTON family. > > HTH: Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynette Crocker" <rcl@iprimus.com.au> > > ... I was also interested in last night's show as soon as I heard the name > Walter Rotton. When Walter married Jane Meredith one of their daughters > Jane Ann Rotton married my 1st cousin 4 times removed John SINGLETON ... > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hi Norma and Michelle It was a very interesting episode. Do we know which of Thomas' children Maggie was descended from? Rosanna Beattie, (the sister of my ancestor, William Beattie) married Francis Parmeter who was a grandson of Thomas so we are distantly related but only by marriage. Best wishes Rosemary

Hello Lynette. Quite a few years back, we were visiting the Singleton Museum, in a park right in Singleton itself; and the local historical society who run the museum had a small booklet for sale about the ROTTON family. HTH: Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynette Crocker" <rcl@iprimus.com.au> ... I was also interested in last night's show as soon as I heard the name Walter Rotton. When Walter married Jane Meredith one of their daughters Jane Ann Rotton married my 1st cousin 4 times removed John SINGLETON ...

H Michelle I was also interested in last night's show as soon as I heard the name Walter Rotton. When Walter married Jane Meredith one of their daughters Jane Ann Rotton married my 1st cousin 4 times removed John SINGLETON I also think it has been a good series Regards Lynette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma McLean" <normabmc@bigpond.com> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Dr Parmeter > Hi Michelle, > > Thanks very much for your e-mail. I watched the programme last night. He > was a very "interesting" Ancestor for Maggie to have wasn't he? I wonder > exactly where in the district he lived, as he mentioned Cornwallis in his > article you quoted. Fancy being able to write such a piece about the > situation he found there. Still, there was a happy ending. > > Part of my family also had a connection with Cockfighters Creek - where he > went after he left the Hawkesbury, but as he died in 1836 he was no > longer > there in 1838 & 1841 when my 2nd cousins (4GR) were born. > > This series has been as interesting as previous ones. > > The fact that Jane Meredith 'took up with' and eventually married Walter > Rotton (what a name), reminded me of the Gorrick/Leeson(Lisson) situation > in > the Hawkesbury which part of my family married into. The children really > didn't know who their fathers were. Of well, it makes life interesting. > > Once again for your interesting e-mail. > > Regards, > > Norma McLean > normabmc@bigpond.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Nichols" <michelle_nichols@hotmail.com> > To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:10 PM > Subject: [HHHV] Dr Parmeter > > >> >> Those who watched the "Who do you think we are" program SUnday evening >> may >> not be aware that the interesting Dr Thomas Parmeter 1790-1836 (Maggie >> Beer's ancestor) also worked in the Hawkesbury as a medical practicioner >> from 1818 until 1825. According to the Hawkesbury Pioneer Register Vol. >> 1, >> three of his children to Jane Meredith were born in Windsor. Maria Ann b >> 1817 Castle Hill, Francis Bland b 1819 Sydney, 4. Harriett Australia b >> Mar >> 1824 Windsor d Nov 1824 Windsor, Harriett Catherine b 1825 Windsor d 1876 >> Warkworth m 1841 William Scott. Maggie's ancestor Thomas Randall b >> 11-6-1822 Windsor d 12-9-1904 Warkworth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hi Michelle, Thanks very much for your e-mail. I watched the programme last night. He was a very "interesting" Ancestor for Maggie to have wasn't he? I wonder exactly where in the district he lived, as he mentioned Cornwallis in his article you quoted. Fancy being able to write such a piece about the situation he found there. Still, there was a happy ending. Part of my family also had a connection with Cockfighters Creek - where he went after he left the Hawkesbury, but as he died in 1836 he was no longer there in 1838 & 1841 when my 2nd cousins (4GR) were born. This series has been as interesting as previous ones. The fact that Jane Meredith 'took up with' and eventually married Walter Rotton (what a name), reminded me of the Gorrick/Leeson(Lisson) situation in the Hawkesbury which part of my family married into. The children really didn't know who their fathers were. Of well, it makes life interesting. Once again for your interesting e-mail. Regards, Norma McLean normabmc@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Nichols" <michelle_nichols@hotmail.com> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: [HHHV] Dr Parmeter > > Those who watched the "Who do you think we are" program SUnday evening may > not be aware that the interesting Dr Thomas Parmeter 1790-1836 (Maggie > Beer's ancestor) also worked in the Hawkesbury as a medical practicioner > from 1818 until 1825. According to the Hawkesbury Pioneer Register Vol. 1, > three of his children to Jane Meredith were born in Windsor. Maria Ann b > 1817 Castle Hill, Francis Bland b 1819 Sydney, 4. Harriett Australia b Mar > 1824 Windsor d Nov 1824 Windsor, Harriett Catherine b 1825 Windsor d 1876 > Warkworth m 1841 William Scott. Maggie's ancestor Thomas Randall b > 11-6-1822 Windsor d 12-9-1904 Warkworth

Those who watched the "Who do you think we are" program SUnday evening may not be aware that the interesting Dr Thomas Parmeter 1790-1836 (Maggie Beer's ancestor) also worked in the Hawkesbury as a medical practicioner from 1818 until 1825. According to the Hawkesbury Pioneer Register Vol. 1, three of his children to Jane Meredith were born in Windsor. Maria Ann b 1817 Castle Hill, Francis Bland b 1819 Sydney, 4. Harriett Australia b Mar 1824 Windsor d Nov 1824 Windsor, Harriett Catherine b 1825 Windsor d 1876 Warkworth m 1841 William Scott. Maggie's ancestor Thomas Randall b 11-6-1822 Windsor d 12-9-1904 Warkworth m 10-4-1845 West Maitland, Catherine Allen. Jane Meredith m 1827 Warkworth to Walter Rotton. As mentioned in the program Dr Parmeter was a reasonablt prolific writer and some his accounts were published in the Sydney Gazette.The following is quite interesting, and was published in the Sydney Gazette 14 July 1825: "One rainy evening I was sent for close to the Cornwallis, it was in a hovel, a poor woman was in a difficult labour. The midwife that sent for me was a poor ignorant wretch. In the adjoining apartment, there was a set of ragged rogues replenishing themselves with some rum. I soon dispersed them, and by daylight a beautiful boy was born. The woman, from a wrapped up rag, offered me two guineas; I took but one, and the other I threw in the infant's lap, & told the nurse to get some covering for the poor object. The morning was fine, the birds were singing, and my horse galloped away, seemed quite delighted. What a strange metamorphosis when I next visited my poor patient! Clean crockery, new chairs, & fresh covering upon the bed, put a new satisfaction around the room. I was as much pleased, as when I visited a rich patient, near Richmond, & received five guineas, & slept upon down. I forgot to mention that I was obliged to use a bucket for a night-cap, and for blankets old bags, for the roof was too porous, and the elements most shockingly played the whole of the night." Michelle Nichols

That will be interesting, I wonder if she has any Pittmans :D -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Allan Murphy Sent: Saturday, 24 October 2009 5:04 PM To: aus-nsw-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com; aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com; aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: [HHHV] Who do you think you are - Maggie Beer For members who have ancestors in the Cockfighter Creek area. The program Who do you think you are, on SBS tomorrow at 7 30 p.m. there is a story about Maggie Beer. Maggie returns from Germany to the Cockfighter Creek area where her convict ancestor lived out his final years. Maybe someone may find out that they are related to Maggie. Allan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For members who have ancestors in the Cockfighter Creek area. The program Who do you think you are, on SBS tomorrow at 7 30 p.m. there is a story about Maggie Beer. Maggie returns from Germany to the Cockfighter Creek area where her convict ancestor lived out his final years. Maybe someone may find out that they are related to Maggie. Allan

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<COL104-W919D548557B71F99894C4E3BE0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Further to the discussion on cemeteries and churches=2C majority of these w= ere sold many years ago particularly when a number of denominations merged.= Normally these small isolated areas could only support one church. Also descendants have to bear in mind that it is the responsibility of the = family (or estate) for the care=2C maintenance and repair of headstones. Ce= metery caretakers such as councils and church trustees are only responsible= for the upkeep of the grounds. =20 Michelle Nichols =