While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following events relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Thursday 1 September 1842 - DEATHS. On Hunter's River, at Greenwood, St. Patrick's Plains, on the 17th July, in the 27th year of his age, Charles T. Long, Esq., late of London. At his mother's residence, in Castlereagh-street, Sydney, on the 30th August, in the ??th year of his age, Mr. George Daysh Hawkins, second son of the late Thomas F. Hawkins, Esq., of Blackdown, Bathurst. Tuesday 13 September 1842 - MARRIAGE. By special license, at his own residence, on Saturday last, 10th instant, by the Rev. Dr. ?. Garvie, John Gough Waller, to Anne Agar Hansard, eldest daughter of Mr. N. Hansard, of Bathurst. Thursday 15 September 1842 - MARRIED. At Richmond, on Tuesday, 13th instant, by the Rev. Mr. Adam, James Burleigh Sharp, Esq., of the Tumut ; to Jane, daughter of the late John Dight, Esq., of Richmond. Patricia

Good evening list, Continuing the list of Schoolteachers found in the Civil Service List of the Sydney Morning Heralds of April, 1885 when searching for information to index into www.ryersonindex.org Chapman, Thos, D., Class 2A, teacher, Public school, Spring Hill Chatham, Emma, Class 3B, assistant, Public school, Gosford Clark, Mary A., Class 2B, teacher, Public school, Maitland West Cleary, Elizabeth, Class 4, pupil teacher, Public school, Windsor Clemens, William F., Class 1, pupil teacher, Public school, East Maitland Coady, William A., teacher, Half-time schools, Johnson's Creek and Ward's River Collier, Joseph Perkins, Class 3A, teacher, Public school, Broke Collins, Matilda, Class 2B, mistress (infants' department), Public school, Windsor Compton, A., Class 1, pupil teacher, Public school, Maitland West Connolly, Annie E., Class 2B, mistress (infants'), public school, Adamstown Coombes, William, Class 3A, teacher, Public school, Cass??? Cowan, Mary A., Class 4, pupil teacher, Public school, Raymond Terrace Cox, Charlotte, Class 2B, teacher, Public school, Maitland West Cox, Joseph, Class 4, pupil teacher, Public school, Stockton If any lister can assist with transcribing this list or with Ryerson Indexing please contact me off list. Sincerely, Bill E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13600 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

Good evening list, While I was gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found a list of Civil Servants in the Sydney Morning Heralds of April 1885. The list is being transcribed in full to the Sydney Rootsweb List and the attached are people found from the Hawkesbury and Hunter regions, posted in the hope that someone can find a contact. SCHOOL TEACHERS. Ackerman, M., Class 2, pupil teacher, Public school, Hill End Ainley, Agnes, Class 4, pupil teacher, (infants' department), Public school, Cook's Hill, Newcastle Allardyce, Robert, Class 2B, teacher, Public school, Copeland N. Anderson, Eliza J, work mistress, Public school, Windsor Anderson, James, Class 2A, teacher, Public school, Windsor Anderson, Robert, Class 2A, teacher, Public school, Pitt Town Armstrong, Alice, work mistress, Public school, Richmond Arnold, Margie, Class 3, pupil teacher, Public school, Windsor Auchterlonie, D, Class 4, pupil teacher, Public school, Pitt Town Bain, Lizzie, Class 1, pupil teacher, girls' department, Public school, Newcastle Baker, Minnie, Class 2B, teacher, Public school, Hill End Bates. F. W., Class 3A, teacher, Public school, Meadow Flat Beale, Prisc., Class 2B, mistress (infant's) Public school, Hamilton Bell, Joseph, Class 3B, teacher, Public school, Dural Bloore, Frederick W., Class 3A, teacher, Public school, Dungog Booth, Annie J., work-mistress, Public school, Cook's Hill, Newcastle BOURNE, A.E.A., Class 3, pupil teacher, Public School, Wollombi. BOWEN, D.J., Class 4, pupil teacher, Public School, Cook's Hill, Newcastle BRICKHILL, John Currie, Class 3B, teacher, Public School, Booral. BRIDEKIRK, Edith A., Class 4, pupil teacher, Public School, Clarence Town. BROADBENT, David, Class 3C, teacher, Public School, Mayfield BRODIE, Flora, teacher, Provisional School, Portland Head (Eben.). BRONGER, Mary, Class 4, pupil teacher, Public School, Pyree BROOME, John, Class 3, pupil teacher, Public School, New Lambton. Cameron, Maggie, Class 4, pupil teacher, Public school, Newcastle S. If any lister can assist with further posting this list or with Ryerson Index indexing please contact me off list. Sincerely,Bill E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13600 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

Good afternoon list, While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found a list of Civil Servants in the Sydney Morning Heralds of April 1885, not long after the relevant Act of Parliament was introduced. Volunteers are transcribing those lists to the Sydney Rootsweb List and from those lists over the past two weeks, I have extracted the entries relevant to the Hawkesbury and Hunter and pasted them here in the hope that it will help some lister. Acheson, R. H., clerk petty sessions and regis., D. C., Mudgee Adrian, Frederick G, clerk of petty sessions, Branxton Baille, J, clerk, local land board, Maitland, Lands Bartle, Thomas, landing waiter, Newcastle, Customs Bremer, F G, clerk, local land board office, Maitland, Lands Fawcett, Charles H., police magistrate and coroner, mining warden, Port Stephens, Bulladelah Fligg, H., storekeeper, Newcastle, Railways Halbert, John, locker, Newcastle, Customs Hannell, Henry Ellis, clerk, Newcastle, Customs Hawkins, Henry Storey, clerk petty sessions, Hill End Huntington, Henry William Hemsworth, assistant clerk of petty sessions and registrar, District Court, Newcastle Kingsmill, Arthur J., clerk of petty sessions, Gosford Laman, Thomas, clerk of petty sessions, Stroud Leary, Henry Joseph, clerk of petty sessions, Scone M'Rae, Alexander, clerk of petty sessions, Merriwa Mason, J. J., cashier and accountant, Shipping Master's Office, Newcastle Rodgerson, W. C., clerk of petty sessions and land agent, Paterson Rush, William Clay, clerk, Newcastle, Customs Snape, Philip, police magistrate and mining warden of the Mudgee Stace, G. H., gaoler, Maitland Steel, Watson Augustus, police magistrate, Hill End Thomson, Andrew C., clerk, local land board office, Maitland, Lands Weatherill, W. P., secretary, Marine Board, Newcastle Williams, Thomas Making, clerk petty sessions, Clarence Town If anyone can help with transcribing this list or with Indexing for the Ryerson Index please contact me off list. The Ryerson Index is very short of material to index at the moment. Can you assist? Contact www.ryersonindex.org Sincerely,Bill E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13600 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

Hi everyone, Is anyone on this list related directly to Sylvester Butler (son of Sylvester Butler and Ann Elkin) and Emma Jane Kelly (daughter of Elizabeth Kelly nee Green). The reason I ask is because I took of photographs of Emma Jane's headstone today - not very good ones due to the lack of skills of the photographer but also that the headstone has deteriorated somewhat over the years. Emma was born in 1841 and died in 1931 aged 90. One of her sons and his wife are in a nearby grave. Richard Bluewater Butler (1869 - 1952) and his wife Elizabeth Welsh (1875 - 1955) They are buried at the Northern Suburbs Cemetery. Very near there was also a headstone for Amos Butler and his wife Mary McNamara. I don't think that this family is connected but both Amos and Mary died in Windsor. Amos was born about 1868 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT - New address http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html

Dear Sandra, Details for the Ryerson Index are obtained from over 150 papers throughout Australia, by over 150 volunteers and it is an index. We do keep some notices where there are a lot of them and depending on what time frame you are talking about we may have it. The list posted by Patricia is new infomation, currently being indexed for the Ryerson Index, but are deaths within this area and posted for information and assistance of listers. If you contact me off list with the details I will check. Sincerely,Bill Back Indexing Co-ordinator. Ryerson Index. > Hi Listers > > I am only new to this list and was looking at the Ryerston Index and saq > my E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13600 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

Hi Listers I am only new to this list and was looking at the Ryerston Index and saq my fathers death notice but it didn't have complete details. Do you want me to give some one the details or do you only take it from a news paper report? regards Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 188 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Births, Deaths and Marriages August 1842 (Patricia) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:09:50 +1100 > From: "Patricia" <adsl4805@tsn.cc> > Subject: [HHHV] Births, Deaths and Marriages August 1842 > To: "HHHV" <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0FCEFFDEEEA240B6854AB55875D61F3A@pat9924573> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I > found the following events relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the > Sydney Morning Herald. > Wed 3 August 1842 - DEATH. On Thursday, the 28th ultimo, after a > lingering illness, Margaret, the wife of Mr. Faithfull, of Richmond. > > Tuesday 9 August 1842 - BIRTH. On the 3rd instant at Newcastle, the wife > of H. Rees, Esq., R. E. D., of a son. > > Saturday 27 August 1842 - DEATH. At his residence, near Patrick's Plains, > on the 25th ult., J. Long, Esq., aged 28 years. > > Patricia > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY list administrator, > send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY mailing > list, send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 188 > **********************************************************************

While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following events relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Wed 3 August 1842 - DEATH. On Thursday, the 28th ultimo, after a lingering illness, Margaret, the wife of Mr. Faithfull, of Richmond. Tuesday 9 August 1842 - BIRTH. On the 3rd instant at Newcastle, the wife of H. Rees, Esq., R. E. D., of a son. Saturday 27 August 1842 - DEATH. At his residence, near Patrick's Plains, on the 25th ult., J. Long, Esq., aged 28 years. Patricia

Hi The NZ National Library has a site similar to the NLA http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Regards 2009/10/30 Jenelle McCarrick <jmac2005@tpg.com.au>: > Marie, > I'd also try the New Zealand newspaper site (google papers past).

Hi Bill, Thanks for that info. I'll look out for it. Regards, Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <oldboybill@westnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Solomon and William Wiseman. A NZ connection? > Dear Norma, > In additon to the shipwreck report there should have been an Inquest, and > a > Marine Board Inquiry, as I am finding from the papers I am looking at. > The 1830's papers are being digitised and many are on line now. > Regards,Bill

Thanks Michelle. I have seen this copy of the report on the sinking of the Industry , but not the "Australian Royalty" site. Much appreciated, Marie

Marie, I'd also try the New Zealand newspaper site (google papers past). Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Donaldson" <mariedonaldson@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Solomon and William Wiseman. A NZ connection? > HI Norma, margaret, Jean, Janelle and Bill, > Thank you for all the replies to my query. > > I still haven't linked my friend to Solomon Wiseman's family, but it is > looking more likely. > > Thank you Norma for the copy of the newspaper report on the sinking of the > "Industry". > > Apparently William Wiseman did have a woman in NZ and it seems that both > of > her daughters were brought to NSW to be reared by Solomon's family. Though > there were born in NZ they were baptised here. > > Even if I can't prove a link, it is ceretainly a very interesting > exercise! > Marie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.37/2466 - Release Date: 10/28/09 19:39:00

Further to Marie's enquiry about William Wiseman and the loss of the "Industry" - a reference appears on the Historic Australian Newspapers, 1803 to 1954 website on the National Library of Australia website at http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home This newspaper has been digitised but not available to access at present. However if you are keen you could try and check it out at a location holding the Sydney Herald 1831 like a State Library or large repository. Omniana The Sydney Herald (NSW... Monday 18 April 1831, page 4. News 1800 words ... bring the distressing account of the loss of the Industry, a Colonial-built vessel, ... women were drowned. AV. Wiseman, two men escaped, and nie ... ainvalol ihe next ship. Wiseman was a rcinaikably active, gond-hiokiug voting man, Min of Mr.... Other references online included a site called "Australian Royalty" http://www.easystreetretreat.com.au/australianroyalty/family.php?famid=F12084&ged=purnellmccord.ged and on the NZ Rootsweb mailing list http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/NEW-ZEALAND/2006-01/1138686691 and stacks more if you to do a Google search using all these words: grono this exact wording or phrase: "william wiseman" obviously a lot of descendants. Michelle Nichols

Hi Marie Re your enquiry about Solomon and William Wiseman and NZ connection? Why not contact the Grono Family Association – their website is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gronofamily/index.htm or email gronofamily@gmail.com they may be able to assist. Cheers Michelle Nichols

HI Norma, margaret, Jean, Janelle and Bill, Thank you for all the replies to my query. I still haven't linked my friend to Solomon Wiseman's family, but it is looking more likely. Thank you Norma for the copy of the newspaper report on the sinking of the "Industry". Apparently William Wiseman did have a woman in NZ and it seems that both of her daughters were brought to NSW to be reared by Solomon's family. Though there were born in NZ they were baptised here. Even if I can't prove a link, it is ceretainly a very interesting exercise! Marie

Dear Norma, In additon to the shipwreck report there should have been an Inquest, and a Marine Board Inquiry, as I am finding from the papers I am looking at. The 1830's papers are being digitised and many are on line now. Regards,Bill Subject: Re: [HHHV] Solomon and William Wiseman. A NZ connection? > > Yes William certainly drowned as this report in the Newspaper below > states > > " [The Sydney Herald, April 18, 1831] > > .....SHIPWRECK:--- On Tuesday, the 28th March, arrived here the schooner > Samuel, from New Zealand, with 500 skins and 10 tons of flax; and on the > day following the Prince of Denmark, with 25 tons of E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13580 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

Hi Marie The Journal of the Cessnock District Historical Society Inc. Vol.35 No.3 Aug 2006 on pages 26 to 29 has information on "The Wisemans of Laguna & the Ferry" MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Donaldson" To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: [HHHV] Solomon and William Wiseman. A NZ connection? > Hi Listers, > I am helping a fellow Wiseman researcher who believes he may be descended > from Solomon Wiseman, although he knows he has some Polynesian blood and > was > born in NZ before coming to NSW as a small child.

Good evening list, While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found deaths in the Hawkesbury area in the Sydney Morning Herald. 6 May 1886. Mary Jane MITCHELL died at her parents residence Windsor Street RICHMOND, only daughter of William & Margaret, 21 years 11 months from burns accidentally received. 8 May 1886. Arthur Frederick DOYLE, Stonehage, WILBERFORCE,on 29 April 1886, husband of Emelie P, only son of Bartholomew. 8 May 1886. Elizabeth LIEBMANN on 5 May 1886 at WINDSOR, daughter of Henry and Hughlia, aged 5 weeks. 3 Aug 1886. G M PITT invited friends and relatives to the funeral of his beloved wife Julia from their residence Holbrook, ST LEONARDS at 10 o'clock then by special train at 11.15am this date, 3rd instant, and proceed to RICHMOND reaching there at 1.35pm. (no burial place stated) 25 Aug 1886. Sarah DUNN on 17 Aug 1886 at WINDSOR, widow of Thomas Henry, aged 91. Sincerely, Bill E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13580 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

I can't help with your Wiseman problem but I can tell you it was fairly common for men who travelled around the Islands to have a native wife (or wives in various places) as well as the wife at home in Australia. If you contact me privately at adsl4805@tsn.cc (that is ADSL in lower case) I can tell you of the problems faced by members of my family with a similar problem in tracing relatives. Patricia Hi Listers, I am helping a fellow Wiseman researcher who believes he may be descended from Solomon Wiseman, although he knows he has some Polynesian blood and was born in NZ before coming to NSW as a small child. I have a booklet published in 1967, compiled by Charles Swancott and called simply "Wiseman's Ferry." It is mainly just a collection of facts gleaned from various places and not all referenced, unfortunately. There is some conflicting information in the book: William Wiseman (son of Solomon) married Matilda Grono (fact) in 1828. They had a daughter, Jane in 1830 or 31. William drowned in the brig "Industry" in 1831.(don't know if this is true) "His widow married RUGIG a Maori chief." (i.e. Rugig was a male.) Then.... Mary Ann Wiseman, daughter of William Wiseman and RUGIG born about 1830 was baptised 29/11/1837 (confirmed from NSW BDM) Now Rugig is a female! The next entry: "Sophia Betty Wiseman, daughter of William Wiseman and a NZ woman" was baptised 30/9/1832. Can anyone help clarify this mess? Was William fathering children to Rugig while married to Matilda? Were there many Maori women over here in the early days of the colony? Who was Rugig? The chap whom I am helping was placed in a home at a very young age and knows little of his family. He says his great grandfather is buried in NZ, and that he used to go to Wiseman's ferry with an uncle to see an old man who was a relative, who lived in a shack there after his 99 year lease had run out. Any suggestions please? Marie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marie, Yes William certainly drowned as this report in the Newspaper below states " [The Sydney Herald, April 18, 1831] .....SHIPWRECK:--- On Tuesday, the 28th March, arrived here the schooner Samuel, from New Zealand, with 500 skins and 10 tons of flax; and on the day following the Prince of Denmark, with 25 tons of flax; which at the rate of from 30 to 35 pounds a ton will form a clear Colonial export of 1,200 pounds, drawn from the industry of the natives of that Island. These vessels bring the distressing account of the loss of "The Industry" , a Colonial-built vessel, which was wrecked at Easy Harbour, in a dreadful gale of wind, on the 28th February last. Ten men and six native women were drowned. W. Wiseman, the master, also met a watery grave. Two men escaped and are expected in the next ship. We refrain from stating the distressing particulars now in circulation till the arrival of the next ship. Wiseman was a remarkably active, good-looking young man, son of Mr. Wiseman, of the Hawkesbury, and most respectably connected both in the Mother Country and the Colony. He has left a very! young widow, daughter of Mr. John Grono, principal owner of "The Industry", and one child to lament his loss. He arrived in the Colony a youth, many years ago, and has been for a long period connected with our Colonial shipping. He had been some time at New Zealand in prosecution of the objects of his voyage, where he was well known, and had been frequently engaged in the trade to that Island, South Shetland, South America, and other places in the South Seas. The vessel has become a complete wreck. The melancholy tidings were communicated to his numerous relatives in the interior on Friday week......." His wife Matilda was only 15 and had a young baby daughter - Jane. As far as I'm aware Matilda married a Thomas Powell in 1835. I don't know of the "Maori connection" but Matilda's father John Grono sailed ships regularly to New Zealand as well as her husband William so she had connections with NZ. According to the paper article it was her father John Grono who owned the boat "The Industry". Hope this helps a little. Regards, Norma McLean normabmc@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Donaldson" <mariedonaldson@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: [HHHV] Solomon and William Wiseman. A NZ connection? > Hi Listers, > I am helping a fellow Wiseman researcher who believes he may be descended > from Solomon Wiseman, although he knows he has some Polynesian blood and > was > born in NZ before coming to NSW as a small child. > > I have a booklet published in 1967, compiled by Charles Swancott and > called > simply "Wiseman's Ferry." It is mainly just a collection of facts gleaned > from various places and not all referenced, unfortunately. >