Greetings Listers, I am new to the list but for the last 20 years (with some success) have been researching Patrick Daley, a convict who came from Wexford, Ireland and arrived on the Lady McNaughton in 1835, and his wife Mary Ann Coleman who arrived on the Almorah 3 in 1824 as a 10 month old child with her mother Catherine Mangan (aka Coleman) who was also a convict originating from County Westmeath, Ireland. Catherine later married John Armstrong and later, possibly Joseph Moore. Patrick and Mary Ann lived in the Halls Flats-Maroota-Pitt Town area with some of their descendants moving to Moree-Warialda-Terry Hie Hie with some subsequently coming back to the Hawkesbury and living at Wilberforce. Patrick and Mary Ann's descendants married members of the Turnbull, Greentree, Rose etc families. I would be pleased to hear from any other Lister researching any of these families particularly before, but also after their respective arrivals in NSW. Regards Alan Bradley

While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following deaths relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Tuesday 21 November 1843 - On Thursday last, the 16th instant, at her late residence, Seven Hills, Mrs. Martha Pearce, relict of the late Mr. Matthew Pearce, of King's Langley Farm, in her seventy-sixth year, deeply regretted by a numerous family and friends. Patricia

While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following marriages relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Thursday 16 November 1843 - At St. James's Church, Sydney, on the 4th instant, by the Rev. Charles Kemp, M.A., Mr. Edwin Hickey, of Osterly, Hunter River, to Jane, youngest daughter of the late James Dickson, Esq., of Croydon, near London. Patricia

While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following births relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Tuesday 7 November 1843 - At Cooerwull, Vale of Clwyd, on the 3rd instant, Mrs. A. Brown, of a son. Thursday 9 November 1843 - At Raymond Terrace, on the 5th instant, the lady of Doctor Cadell, of a son. Friday 10 November 1843 - At Maitland, on the 6th instant, Mrs. Charles Cathrow, of a daughter. Patricia

Ray and Ian - thank you for your very interesting and informative replies - I am grateful that you are so willing to share your wealth of knowledge.  Regards Stuart ----- Original Message ----- > Could someone help me with the initials "Esq., M.C.," after William Bowman's name?? I believe?that William Bowman (1799 -1874)?- was a Member of the Legilislative Council in the 1840's, however I?understood that would be signified?by the initials M.L.C.? > > Thanks > Stuart

Checking through the some old newspapers [Cumberland Mercury 27th July 1878] I came across the death of Harriet Hough. Harriet died on the 22nd July 1878 and was recorded as the daughter of Mrs Farlow of Yarramundi and that she died of fever. She was only 26 years old and the article revealed that she left five children to mourn her loss. Harriett Hough was buried at St Peters Church of England in Richmond. A quick check of the NSW BDMs show that Harriet was also the wife of Thomas George Hough and they had married in 1869, when she was 17. The marriage was registered in Richmond. Thomas and Harriet had a large family (7), all of the children were born in Richmond. The children were Charles A. in 1869; Thomas George 1870; Ann Florence 1872; Elizabeth 1874; Harriet 1875; Jessie 1876 and Alic Sydney 1877. Two of these children died in 1875. Harriet died on the 17 June 1875 aged 1 day and Annie died 25 August 1875 aged 3 years and 7 mths. Both were buried at St Peters Church of England Richmond. Following the death of Harriet, Thomas Hough married Elizabeth Rollings of Lambton in 1879. They had a further 6 children including Mary 1880; James William 1881; Joseph 1883; Violet A. 1884; Emmeline 1886 and Herbert 1889 all registered at Lambton. Sadly three of these children died as babies or infants. Emmeline died 1886, Violet 1885 and Joseph 1896. Thomas Hough was recorded in the church register as a "Publican" I am not related to this family but I thought it may be of interest to others. Michelle Nichols

The William Bowman of the Argyle Inn at Bong Bong is the cousin of the William Bowman under discussion. Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "paynescrossing" <paynescrossing@gmail.com> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] William Bowman > State Library holds papers: > > http://www.parlpapers.sl.nsw.gov.au/display.cfm?parl_id=2400 > Note: it gives two different years of birth. > > See record description: > http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemDetailPaged.aspx?itemID=446467 > > Regards > Ian J > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

State Library holds papers: http://www.parlpapers.sl.nsw.gov.au/display.cfm?parl_id=2400 Note: it gives two different years of birth. See record description: http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemDetailPaged.aspx?itemID=446467 Regards Ian J

Is this your man? List of members of the first Legislative Council: http://tinyurl.com/yl9hdjz and see ADB online: http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A010127b.htm Regards Ian J

If I could build on Ray's answer ... Before it was a legislative body, the Council was a consultative body (non-elected) so MC is as Ray reports. (BTW the word councillor originates in a Latin term meaning that you got to sit in the Emperor's presence). The Esq is an Esquire and an honorific title. Originally it meant a person who was esquired of land ie a land owner - the local Squire if you like. The Esquire ranked just below a Knight but in Australia it was purely honorific and carried no inherent powers such as being the local Justice of the Peace, although Magistrates and other Justices of the Peace were until very recently always given the post-nominal Esq in correspondence etc. You will see in Ray's list that the person who has a pre-nominal title (the Major) didn't get the post-nominal Esq.. If you were a QC/KC or a PC (Privy Councillor) or you were the Hon. etc or clergy etc then no Esq. either. This reflects its junior position in the ranks - an Esq. is just ahead of a Gentleman (denoted by the pre-nominal Mr.) but ranked below everyone else. Regards Ian J 2009/12/8 Ray <ray15@optusnet.com.au>: > It seems that this was the accepted abbreviation for a member of the NSW > 'legislative' Council, BEFORE M.L.C. came into use.

Hello Stuart. It seems that this was the accepted abbreviation for a member of the NSW 'legislative' Council, BEFORE M.L.C. came into use. Here are some more examples from the Sydney Gazette: Saturday 30th May 1835, page 2: online at the NLA site: Robert Campbell, Esq., M.C. H. H. McArthur, Esq., M.C. E. C. Close, Esq , M.C. William Lithgow, Esq., M C. Richard J ones, Esq., M C. Alexander Berry, Esq., M.C. Archibald Bell, Esq , M.C. John Blaxland, Esq., M.C. Major Gibbs M.C Here is a link to the web-site of the Parliament of NSW, specifically to the Legislative Council pages/threads. http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/web/common.nsf/key/LCRole I note that although they refer throughout to the "Legislative Council", the reference lower down the page referring to the "NSW Act" of 1823, mentions "a Council", and NOT a/the "Legislative" Council. >From memory (so I may well be wrong in this) I think that I have a faint recollection of it's having been referred to in the early years as the Governor's Council -- but I may be confusing this with the Governor's Court. So my guess is that in those early periods, M.C. most probably stood for Member of Council; and at some later stage (perhaps as a result of the later-mentioned "Constitution Act" of 1842) it expanded out to become M.L.C. HTH: Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Adam" <akasazb-stuartadam@yahoo.co.uk> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:04 AM Subject: [HHHV] William Bowman > Could someone help me with the initials "Esq., M.C.," after William > Bowman's name? I believe that William Bowman (1799 -1874) - was a Member > of the Legilislative Council in the 1840's, however I understood that > would be signified by the initials M.L.C. > > Thanks > Stuart > ============================================== > > Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:33:03 +1100 > From: "Patricia" <adsl4805@tsn.cc> > Subject: [HHHV] Birth and Marriages October 1843 > To: "HHHV" <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <876551B827EA4BC4A4FC8438A765DED7@pat9924573> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Marriages > > Saturday 14 October 1843 - At Richmond, by special license, on Thursday, > 12th instant, by the Rev. H. T. Stiles, A.M., Mr. Thomas Cadell, junior, > Windsor, to Ann Catherine, daughter of William Bowman, Esq., M.C., > Richmond. > > ============================================== > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Could someone help me with the initials "Esq., M.C.," after William Bowman's name?  I believe that William Bowman (1799 -1874) - was a Member of the Legilislative Council in the 1840's, however I understood that would be signified by the initials M.L.C.  Thanks Stuart ============================================== Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:33:03 +1100 From: "Patricia" <adsl4805@tsn.cc> Subject: [HHHV] Birth and Marriages October 1843 To: "HHHV" <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <876551B827EA4BC4A4FC8438A765DED7@pat9924573> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Marriages Saturday 14 October 1843 - At Richmond, by special license, on Thursday, 12th instant, by the Rev. H. T. Stiles, A.M., Mr. Thomas Cadell, junior, Windsor, to Ann Catherine, daughter of William Bowman, Esq., M.C., Richmond. ==============================================

Hi Sandra, Many of those people died before the advent of photography 1850. Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 4 December 2009 7:01 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 215 Today's Topics: 1. Births July 1843 (Patricia) 2. Births August 1843 (Patricia) 3. Marriage August 1843 (Patricia) 4. Deaths August 1843 (Patricia) 5. Convict Links (Sandra Burton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:07:15 +1100 From: "Patricia" <adsl4805@tsn.cc> Subject: [HHHV] Births July 1843 To: "HHHV" <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0FA32A41E9FA4E59B46746651AE92E1D@pat9924573> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following birth relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Monday 10th July 1843 - On the 1st July, at Coulston, Upper Paterson, the Lady of John Brown, of a son. There were no marriages or deaths listed for the HHHV area in July Patricia ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:07:27 +1100 From: "Patricia" <adsl4805@tsn.cc> Subject: [HHHV] Births August 1843 To: "HHHV" <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4018304AE2674A959A4E823D1BA2DE0D@pat9924573> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following births relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Thursday 3 August 1843 - At Maitland, on the 29th ultimo, Mrs. R. Henry Way, of a son. Friday 11 August 1843 - On the 6th instant. at Strathallyn, Upper Paterson, Mrs. Dalglish, of a son. Tuesday 22 August 1843 - At East Maitland, on Wednesday, the 16th instant, Mrs. Charles Whittaker, of a daughter. Patricia ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:07:48 +1100 From: "Patricia" <adsl4805@tsn.cc> Subject: [HHHV] Marriage August 1843 To: "HHHV" <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2198E90282F142E1A58EB33105CD2155@pat9924573> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following marriage relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Saturday 12 August 1843 - On the 31st of July, at the Colo Church, by the Rev. W. Simpson, William, son of A. Ardagh, Esq., Clonmel, Ireland, to Louisa, relict of the late J. K. McDougall, Esq., of Baulkham Hills. Patricia ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:08:03 +1100 From: "Patricia" <adsl4805@tsn.cc> Subject: [HHHV] Deaths August 1843 To: "HHHV" <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1260F5E4F24044908CA5E2D77C612DDF@pat9924573> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following deaths relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Thursday 3 August 1843 - At Dungog, on Sunday morning, 30th ultimo, James William, infant son of Mr. James Stephenson, aged 14 months. Friends will please accept of this intimation. Monday 21 August 1843 - On Monday, the 14th instant, in George-street, Windsor, Mr. Thomas Dargin, aged forty-five, leaving a widow and five children, and a large circle of friends, to lament his loss. Patricia ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: Sandra Burton <elseywoo@yahoo.com> Subject: [HHHV] Convict Links To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY@Rootsweb.com Message-ID: <89312.58825.qm@web45909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Good morning to all?? I have just completed the first draft of my family history publication 'Convict Links' - My Dozen Noteworthy Ancestors - due for release on June 3rd 2010 (the 220th anniversary of Lady Juliana's arrival into Port Jackson). I will be searching the leaflet collection in Windsor?in January?2010 for photos of my grandparents, but I would like to enquire if anyone out there has any photos they would like to share for this publication????Many thanks. My grandparents - 1. Mary Pardoe/Edward Scott 2.?Paul Bushell/Isabella Brown ??? 3. Matthias Lock/Eupham Graham ??? - Thomas Graham/Mary Maria Hodgetts 4. Rose Flood/Charles Cross 5.?Thomas Hodgetts/Harriet Luce 6. David Brown/Eleanor Fleming 7. Robert Farlow/Ann Dyer 8. John Izzard/Ann Pardoe-Scott Hibbs ???? - Edward Izzard/Sarah Graham ?????? - John Izzard/Susannah Hayes 9. Richard Hayes/Elizabeth Cross 10. Henry Greentree/Jane Pope ????? - Reuben Greentree/Ann Farlow ??????? - Robert Greentree/Hannah Bushell ????????? - Henry J G Greentree/Victoria Jane Izzard ??????????? - Stanley Knay Greentree/Mary Stephen Bailey Kind regards Sandra Burton ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY list administrator, send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Good evening list, Organising to index the Sydney Morning Heralds of September 1883 into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following deaths in the Hawkesbury which may help a lister here. 1 Sep 1883. Mary WENBAN died on 30 Aug 1883 at RICHMOND, relict of John WENBAN. 77th year. 4 Sep 1883. Captain William LOUTIT died on 2 Sep 1883 at the residence of John LAUGHTON Esq, Pleasant View, HAWKESBURY RIVER. 5 Sep 1883. Same death notice for LOUTIT. Also Funeral Notice to leave Riley & Foveaux Street THIS WEDNESDAY at quarter before 9 o'clock for WAVERLEY Cemetery. Mrs W KINSELA. Undertaker. Another notice by sons James and George LOUTIT inviting friends to the funeral of their father. 12 Sep 1883. Richard CAVANOUGH died 10 Sep 1883 at Tharagomedah Station, QUEENSLAND. 6th son of the late James CAVANOUGH, WILBERFORCE. WINDSOR. Brother of Mrs GILLARD of Parrramatta Street. 18 Sep 1883. Trevallyn Arthur COLLINS died 16 Sep 1883 at Oakhill WINDSOR. 2 years 4 months. son of George Thomas and Mary COLLINS. Sincerely, Bill E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13850 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following events relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Births Friday 6 October 1843 -At Twenty-Mile Hollow, near Penrith, on the 4th instant, the lady of Captain Bull, 99th Regiment, of a son. Deaths October 1843 none listed Marriages Saturday 14 October 1843 - At Richmond, by special license, on Thursday, 12th instant, by the Rev. H. T. Stiles, A.M., Mr. Thomas Cadell, junior, Windsor, to Ann Catherine, daughter of William Bowman, Esq., M.C., Richmond. Tuesday 31 October 1843 - On the 5th instant, at the licensed place of worship, St. Lawrence's, in this city, by the Rev. H. Walsh, Mr. Peter Favenc, of the Surry Hills, to Miss Mary Eugenia Turnbull, of Stroud, Port Stephens. Patricia

While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following deaths relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Thursday 3 August 1843 - At Dungog, on Sunday morning, 30th ultimo, James William, infant son of Mr. James Stephenson, aged 14 months. Friends will please accept of this intimation. Monday 21 August 1843 - On Monday, the 14th instant, in George-street, Windsor, Mr. Thomas Dargin, aged forty-five, leaving a widow and five children, and a large circle of friends, to lament his loss. Patricia

While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following marriage relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Saturday 12 August 1843 - On the 31st of July, at the Colo Church, by the Rev. W. Simpson, William, son of A. Ardagh, Esq., Clonmel, Ireland, to Louisa, relict of the late J. K. McDougall, Esq., of Baulkham Hills. Patricia

While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following births relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Thursday 3 August 1843 - At Maitland, on the 29th ultimo, Mrs. R. Henry Way, of a son. Friday 11 August 1843 - On the 6th instant. at Strathallyn, Upper Paterson, Mrs. Dalglish, of a son. Tuesday 22 August 1843 - At East Maitland, on Wednesday, the 16th instant, Mrs. Charles Whittaker, of a daughter. Patricia

While gathering information to be indexed into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following birth relating to the Hawkesbury List area in the Sydney Morning Herald. Monday 10th July 1843 - On the 1st July, at Coulston, Upper Paterson, the Lady of John Brown, of a son. There were no marriages or deaths listed for the HHHV area in July Patricia

Good morning to all   I have just completed the first draft of my family history publication 'Convict Links' - My Dozen Noteworthy Ancestors - due for release on June 3rd 2010 (the 220th anniversary of Lady Juliana's arrival into Port Jackson). I will be searching the leaflet collection in Windsor in January 2010 for photos of my grandparents, but I would like to enquire if anyone out there has any photos they would like to share for this publication?   Many thanks. My grandparents - 1. Mary Pardoe/Edward Scott 2. Paul Bushell/Isabella Brown     3. Matthias Lock/Eupham Graham     - Thomas Graham/Mary Maria Hodgetts 4. Rose Flood/Charles Cross 5. Thomas Hodgetts/Harriet Luce 6. David Brown/Eleanor Fleming 7. Robert Farlow/Ann Dyer 8. John Izzard/Ann Pardoe-Scott Hibbs      - Edward Izzard/Sarah Graham        - John Izzard/Susannah Hayes 9. Richard Hayes/Elizabeth Cross 10. Henry Greentree/Jane Pope       - Reuben Greentree/Ann Farlow         - Robert Greentree/Hannah Bushell           - Henry J G Greentree/Victoria Jane Izzard             - Stanley Knay Greentree/Mary Stephen Bailey Kind regards Sandra Burton __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/