Hello Keith. Just to continue with the explanations which you have received: It is believed to have originally been a term of ABUSE by the English-born, who looked down on the Colonial-born as being of a lower class, offspring of the criminal class etc. It seems that at a later time the term was adopted by the locally-born as a badge of honour -- especially when the locally-born were usually much healthier, sturdier and more robust etc. than the looking-down-their-nose English-born. The distinctions within the terms used ("currency" and "sterling") reflected the distinctions placed upon the money which was circulating in the colony in those days. That is, any English currency was called "Sterling" and was considered to be the "best" money available; which was contrasted to whatever other money might have been used, such as Treasury bills from the Commissariat store or even private IOUs (as well as money from other countries -- such as the Spanish dollar, etc). which were all considered to be of a lesser value and quality than the higher class "sterling"; and were exchanged for sterling at a discount. For example, a Treasury bill for 5 pounds, being exchanged for English pounds sterling in cash, might be discounted by say 10% or 20%, and so only be worth 4 pounds or so. By the way, there was also a cricket club in early Sydney which was called the Currency Lads -- it may be that your person was a member of this team. If you can get to a copy of the Australian Encyclopaedia, it has a good article on the whole topic; also Manning CLARK's "History of Australia" in volume 1 had something to say about it. Additionally, Sid BUTLIN's "Foundations of the Australian Monetary System 1788-1851" has more detail on the currencies themselves. I hope that this helps a bit more. Regards: ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <dianep@optushome.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] CURRENCY LADS > > Hi Keith, and listers, > > Currency lads and lasses was the term used for the 'first' > generation of children born in the colony (often the children > of convicts); as opposed to 'sterling', being those born in > the mother country (England). > > > > Diane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Skinner" <kskinner@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: [H,H,HV] CURRENCY LADS > > > > Hi > > From my research into William Bligh Turnbull, I have come across > > a snipett that was known as 'Whistling Bligh'. > > He was supposed to be one of the Currency Ladds > > Can SKS shed some light on who or what the Currency Lads are. > > Regards > > Keith Skinner > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sent to me, instead of Donna or the list ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Nicholls" <inicholls@bigpond.com> Subject: Baldwin family. > Hi Donna, > Just something that may be of interest to you. > From memory, Wellow Baldwin had a brother Dio > [children of Henry Baldwin, convict, "Admiral Barrington", 16Oct1791]. > Dio married Phoebe Gough. One of their children was Emily Isabella > b.1848. She married William Nicholls, one of my clan. > Best regards.......Ian.

Hi Colin, Following the death of (Capt.) George Jackson FRANKLAND on 1st December, 1825, Vineyard Cottage and Farm of 2,000 acres was advertised for lease on the 25th December - the house having 2 parlours, 3 bedrooms, cellar and offices. Maitland Mercury, August, 1855 : "To Let The Vineyard Cottage Farm, 4 miles above Paterson, occupied by Henry BOYCE. 70 acres of arable land and 2,000 acres grazing. The lighters of the H.R.N.S. Co. come within 4 miles of the homestead. Gilbert CORY, Esq. "Vacy" or G. FRANKLAND, Box 46, Sydney". Jocelyn should be able to tell you all about the CORY's :) Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Roberts" <tigerbright1@mail.bigpond.com> Subject: [H,H,HV] What do you know about the Cory's Hi List I am chasing information on Edwin Gostwyck Cory who arrived 12 Sept. 1823 in Sydney Aus. He had a property called " Vineyard Cottage" somewhere around the Hunter or Manning. If anyone has any information I would love to hear from you. TIA Colin Roberts.

Found on Google- The Monitor, 25th August 1826 NEWCASTLE QUARTER SESSIONS PRESENTMENT The Grand Jurors of our Sovereign Lord the King now assembled in the town of Newcastle, the 15th day of August, in the year of Our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and twenty six, present to the Court of Quarter Sessions, that they have visited the Gaol of Newcastle, which, on attentive examination, they found clean, and in good order; the provisions good, sufficient, and wholesome; the Gaol itself sufficiently spacious for the accommodation of the district. The Grand Jurors cannot avoid remarking the bad state of the public Wells in the town, one only, out of two, being imperfectly covered. The Grand Jurors present the dilapidated state of the Wharf at Newcastle. The Grand Jurors have felt it their duty to visit the Church-yard, which, for want of a fence, has been made a thoroughfare; the pigs being permitted to root the graves,; they have also examined the ruinous state of the Church, and find the walls in a dilapidated state, the same not having been originally built perpendicular. The Grand Jurors embrace this (their first) opportunity of observing, there is but one place of Public Worship in this large and increasing district. The Grand Jurors present the absolute necessity of the immediate erection of a Bridge over the creek, at Wallis' plains, for the preservation of the lives and the property of His Majesty's subjects; the creek only being fordable after a long drought. Rain, or a fresh in the river, renders it not only dangerous, but almost impossible to cross, without the assistance of a boat, which is not at command. The Grand Jurors beg to call the attention of Government to the state of the Roads, and respectfully recommend, that a person be nominated to survey and mark out the continuation of a line of Road from the town of Newcastle through the several districts, His Majesty's subjects suffering much inconvenience from the present tracks being obstructed by fences of the landed proprietors; as also that a Punt be placed in a central situation to forward the communication. The Grand Jurors present the very great evil arising from the total want of Lock-up-houses, for the reception of male and female prisoners, at Paterson's and Patrick's Plains. The Grand Jurors cannot close, without assuring the Court, that they only bring to their notice a few of the most important and absolute wants of this extensive and populous district. JAMES REID, FOREMAN. T.V. BLOOMFIELD J.H. BOUGHTON JOHN CORY EDWARD S. CORY JAMES GLENNIE S.L. HARRIS FRANCES LITTLE J. MUDIE J.L. MACGILLIVRAY JAMES PHILLIPS J.L. PLATT HERNUS SCOTT (almost certainly Helenus Scott) J.G. SMITH regards Malcolm Glennie Holmes Wagga Wagga ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Upgrade Outlook® - Add COLOR to your Emails Outlook® is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Donna, Found the following on Lesley Uebel's CD-rom on Port Jackson Convicts. Connolly, James 1796 Marquis Cornwallis Dublin 1794 Life Connolly, James 1796 Marquis Cornwallis Monaghan 1793 7 21 Maloney, Sarah 1800 Minerva Dublin 1797 7 25 Also, check out http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html. as there are a few people who have claims James CONNOLLY. By contacting these people you may obtain a lot more history about him. I did not check for the other names but you may also, find someone has claim some of the other convicts too. Happy hunting, Glynis Glynis R Wheeler ICQ: 125864276 sunchase@iprimus.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <dianep@optushome.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: [H,H,HV] Fw: {not a subscriber} new Lister > > Sent from the wrong address ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Boyanton" <donna_boyanton@hotmail.com> > Subject: {not a subscriber} new Lister > > > > Hi List > > I am new to the list so I will list the names I am researching from > > this area > > James Connolly - died Wilberforce 1852 - Convict Marquis Cornwallis > > 1796 > > Sarah Maloney - died Freemans Reach 1835 - Convict Minerva 1800 > > Wellow Baldwin - Windsor b: NSW > > Edmund Moore - died Windsor 1847 -Convict Canada 1815 > > John Richards - died West Maitland 1886 - Convict > > Lady Faversham 1830 > > Silas Noyes - died 1848 Petersham - Convict Georgiana 1831 > > Thanks for taking the time to read this > > regards Donna > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Forwarded from Admin ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Gow" rgow@turboweb.net.au Subject: Windsor & Richmond Gazette index 1916-1920 > Windsor & Richmond Gazette index 1916-1920 > A new publication - > Windsor & Richmond Gazette newspaper 1916-1920 index > to births deaths marriages inquests obituaries probates etc - has > now been released. > It contains 5600 entries on 130 A4 pages, and is the first in the series > of indexes to this newspaper which will eventually index back to 1888 > by newspaper archivists Rod and Wendy Gow. Copies are available > at $28 each (postage free within Australia). > If you would like a flyer on this and other publications, drop us an > e-mail with a postal (snail mail) address, or a note to us at the > address below, and we will be pleased to send one out to you. > Best wishes, > Rod & Wendy Gow > 50 Ferry Lane > Cundletown > NSW 2430

Morning everyone, Seems that there may still be some problems with Rootsweb, as some mail sent yesterday (Wed.) has not yet made it to the list. I guess they are still 'tweaking' the system ... Diane

Hello Louise and Jan, Our Barr branches do link with the Genge's. From Gary Standen's research, details as follows: Thomas Hall "Ocean" and Sarah Brooks "Mary Ann" free Martha Hall and Peter Barr "Lloyds" John Barr and Hannah Rudd Martha Jessie Barr and Herbert Genge married in 1907 in Maitland. Unfortunately I am off to Wollongong tomorrow early to help my father prepare for his 80th Birthday party at the weekend. If you can send me your snail mail, when I return I will photo copy the information for you. Best wishes with your research. ANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: Louise Genge <louiseg@hotkey.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Place names- Newcastle -BARR & GENGE > Hi Jan > It's been so hectic & I don't know if I answered you or not > So far I haven't linked these GENGE & BARR but think they must link > somewhere > Best Wishes > Louise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Glasby" <jan.glasby@hawkerc.act.edu.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Place names- Newcastle -BARR & GENGE > > > Hi Louise, > > I have a Herbert GENGE born 1880 Parkes, married 1907 West Maitland, Martha > Jessie BARR, born 1877 Maitland. She was the daughter of John BARR and > Hannah RUDD. > > Any connection? > > Cheers > Jan > > At 09:57 PM 8/3/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Lots of them > >BARR,Susannah married Edward GENGE in 1862 > >She was the daughter of George BARR & Hannah SIMPSON > >other children > >Ann BARR m Reuben JUDGE in 1859 > >Ellen m George HOPGOOD in > > > >Any BARR information or GENGE would be most welcome > > > >There are two GENGE families in Newcastle yet to be linked to each other > > > >Regards > >Louise-louiseg@hotkey.net.au > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi List I am chasing information on Edwin Gostwyck Cory who arrived 12 Sept. 1823 in Sydney Aus. He had a property called " Vineyard Cottage" somewhere around the Hunter or Manning. If anyone has any information I would love to hear from you. TIA Colin Roberts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Upgrade Outlook® - Add COLOR to your Emails Outlook® is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation

Hi Jocelyn Iam interested in the Cory Family as i have come across this family during some research into several other families that I am related to. I would appreciate any info you may have on then especially the early times. Yours in Genealogy, Colin Roberts. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jelldo@bigfoot.com> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:17 AM Subject: [H,H,HV] VACY > > >One of my projects is to document the people who worked or lived on the > >property, Vacy on the Paterson River, over the period 1830-1927 when it > >was held by the Cory family. During this time, a small > >township developed on Vacy with a church and school built by Gilbert > >Cory. Many people were involved including convicts, agricultural workers, > >leaseholders and residents. > > Apart from documenting the people, I am always on the lookout for small > details that help to give a picture of the times. > > >Cheers, > > Jocelyn Lloyd > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Jan It's been so hectic & I don't know if I answered you or not So far I haven't linked these GENGE & BARR but think they must link somewhere Best Wishes Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Glasby" <jan.glasby@hawkerc.act.edu.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Place names- Newcastle -BARR & GENGE Hi Louise, I have a Herbert GENGE born 1880 Parkes, married 1907 West Maitland, Martha Jessie BARR, born 1877 Maitland. She was the daughter of John BARR and Hannah RUDD. Any connection? Cheers Jan At 09:57 PM 8/3/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Lots of them >BARR,Susannah married Edward GENGE in 1862 >She was the daughter of George BARR & Hannah SIMPSON >other children >Ann BARR m Reuben JUDGE in 1859 >Ellen m George HOPGOOD in > >Any BARR information or GENGE would be most welcome > >There are two GENGE families in Newcastle yet to be linked to each other > >Regards >Louise-louiseg@hotkey.net.au > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Sent from the wrong address ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Boyanton" <donna_boyanton@hotmail.com> Subject: {not a subscriber} new Lister > Hi List > I am new to the list so I will list the names I am researching from > this area > James Connolly - died Wilberforce 1852 - Convict Marquis Cornwallis > 1796 > Sarah Maloney - died Freemans Reach 1835 - Convict Minerva 1800 > Wellow Baldwin - Windsor b: NSW > Edmund Moore - died Windsor 1847 -Convict Canada 1815 > John Richards - died West Maitland 1886 - Convict > Lady Faversham 1830 > Silas Noyes - died 1848 Petersham - Convict Georgiana 1831 > Thanks for taking the time to read this > regards Donna

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"The Lass in the Female Factory" Sydney Gazette, 14 July 1832 An excellent new Song, as it ought to be sung in the Theatre Royal, Sydney, by Mr. Bert Levy, in the character of the Ticket-of Leave Holder ... The Currency Lads may fill their glasses And drink to the health of the Currency Lasses But the lass I adore, the lass for me Is a lass in the Female Factory 0! Molly's her name, and her name is Molly Although she was tried by the name of Polly She was tried and was cast for death at Newry But the Judge was bribed and so were the Jury She got 'death recorded' in Newry town For stealing her mistress's watch and gown Her little boy Paddy can tell you the tale His father was turnkey of Newry jail The first time I saw the comely lass Was at Parramatta, going to mass Says I, 'I'll marry you now in an hour' Says she, 'Well, go and fetch Father Power' But I got into trouble that very same night Being drunk in the street I got into a fight A constable seized me, I gave him a box And was put in the watch-house and then in the stocks 0! it's very unaisy as I may remember To sit in the stocks in the month of December With the north wind so hot, and hot sun right over 0! sure, and it's no place at all for a lover 'It's worse than the tread-mill,' says I, 'Mr. Dunn' 'To sit here all day in the hate of the sun!' 'Either that or a dollar,' says he, 'for your folly,' But if I had a dollar I'd drink it with Molly But now I am out again, early and late I sigh and I cry at the Factory gate '0! Mrs. R-, late Mrs. F-n' 0! won't you let Molly out very soon?' 'Is it Molly McGuigan?' says she to me 'Is it not?' says I, for she know'd it was she 'Is it her you mean that was put in the stocks' 'For beating her mistress, Mrs. Cox?' '0! yes and it is, madam, pray let me in 'I have brought her a half-pint of Cooper's best gin 'She likes it as well as she likes her own mother '0! now let me in, madam, I am her brother' So the Currency Lads may fill their glasses And drink to the health of the Currency Lasses But the Lass I adore, the lass for me Is a lass in the Female Factory Diane

Hi to all Listers, I am new to this list, I am currently researching the Name Rowe (Row, Roe) namely 1 John Rowe born approx 1834 at Maitland NSW. He married Ellen Garratty in 1868 in a place I have never heard of called Zaminbar NSW. Ellen was born about 1851 in Scone NSW her parents are supposidly William Garraty & Anna Worley All there children are born at St George Qld Any help with these 2 would be great, looking for the births of both and the marriage also the parents from both. I have Ellen's Death but it is not a big help. Regards Elaine

Hi Keith, and listers, Currency lads and lasses was the term used for the 'first' generation of children born in the colony (often the children of convicts); as opposed to 'sterling', being those born in the mother country (England). Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Skinner" <kskinner@ozemail.com.au> Subject: [H,H,HV] CURRENCY LADS > Hi > From my research into William Bligh Turnbull, I have come across > a snipett that was known as 'Whistling Bligh'. > He was supposed to be one of the Currency Ladds > Can SKS shed some light on who or what the Currency Lads are. > Regards > Keith Skinner

Currency lad means any (non Aboriginal) person born in NSW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Skinner" <kskinner@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: [H,H,HV] CURRENCY LADS > Hi > > From my research into William Bligh Turnbull, I have come across a snipett > that was known as 'Whistling Bligh'. > > He was supposed to be one of the Currency Ladds > > Can SKS shed some light on who or what the Currency Lads are. > > Regards > > Keith Skinner > > My web page - Joseph Davis / Mary Rogers and their descendants > Update 11/8/2002 > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~kskinner/PAGE2.HTM > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi From my research into William Bligh Turnbull, I have come across a snipett that was known as 'Whistling Bligh'. He was supposed to be one of the Currency Ladds Can SKS shed some light on who or what the Currency Lads are. Regards Keith Skinner My web page - Joseph Davis / Mary Rogers and their descendants Update 11/8/2002 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~kskinner/PAGE2.HTM

Hi List, I am a new member to this list and the Families I am researching are James Connolly and Edward Moore in this area. any help would be much appreciated regards Donna ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Hi all, Still trying to sort out all my SMITHS. Does anyone have James Thomas WISEMAN and Mary Ann Elizabeth SMITH in their research? They married on 5 Jan 1887 at All Saints Singleton. James was the son of John WISEMAN and Cordelia HOLLANDS, Mary Ann was the daughter of John SMITH and Mary Ann RICHARDSON. It is this John SMITH that I am really interested in - the Singleton Pioneer Register has him born 4 Jan 1832 at Lower Belford, the son of James and Mary Ann SMITH, and dying 25 Jan 1880 at Patrick's Plains. I have a feeling that he has been mixed up with someone else. And if anyone is researching the RICHARDSONs from Singleton, I'd love to hear from you. Cheers Jan