Hi Jan, If you are talking about the Maitland City Council's Burial Register (on CD), then it covers the following cemeteries; Morpeth, Campbell's Hill, East Maitland, Rutherford, Hiland Crescent, Oswald, Jewish (Louth Park), Glebe Gully (St. Peters) and Oakhampton. As far as I know, their email contact is mfhc@kooee.com.au Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Glasby" <jan.glasby@hawkerc.act.edu.au> Subject: [H,H,HV] Maitland Cemetery CD > Hi all, > Can anyone tell me what years the Maitland Cemetery CD covers? > I saw it advertised on the Maitland Family Circle website but there > wasn't an email contact. > Cheers > Jan

Gosh Terry, there must have been more birds in the hand than two in the bush ... obviously a popular name then :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <call@hunterlink.net.au> Subject: RE: [H,H,HV] Inn - Bird in the Hand > Hi all, > I always thought that the Bird In the Hand was at the corner of John > & Elizabeth St Singleton and operated by Andrew and Agnes > Carnavon Lic. No: 134 20 April 1857. So there must have been > more than one bird in the hand > terry

Hi all, Can anyone tell me what years the Maitland Cemetery CD covers? I saw it advertised on the Maitland Family Circle website but there wasn't an email contact. Cheers Jan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Skinner" <kskinner@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb .com> Sent: 23 August 2002 17:29 Subject: [H,H,HV] Codes - NSW Birth, Deaths & Marriages > Hi > > Can SKS advise me where I might find a list of what the numerical codes at > the end of the Volume Reference Number are > > eg. 1838/V1838806 22 - What does the 22 stand for. Volume number .......... 806 would be item number within that volume Lots of libraries have films of these records . Theres a booklet that goes with these that tells you which film vol 22 is in and whats on the film as far as baptism, marriages and burials are concerned. If you cant access these films . Never get copy form the BDM registry as they charge that same as they do for a post 1855 cert and not much info on these church records. Transcription are alot cheaper ....... www.marbract.com.au or www.joymurrin.com.au Bye Marg Morters Beautiful Central Coast of NSW Australia > > Thanks in advance > > Regards > > Keith Skinner > > My web page - Joseph Davis / Mary Rogers and their descendants > Update 11/8/2002 > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~kskinner/PAGE2.HTM > > ______________________________

Hi all, I always thought that the Bird In the Hand was at the corner of John & Elizabeth St Singleton and operated by Andrew and Agnes Carnavon Lic. No: 134 20 April 1857. So there must have been more than one bird in the hand terry -----Original Message----- From: Diane [mailto:dianep@optushome.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2002 11:11 AM To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Inn - Bird in the Hand Hi Russell and listers, My understanding is that Hugh KELLY's "Bird in Hand", formerly located on the corner of Wrights and Windsor Roads (Kellyville), was a different establishment to that of Daniel SMALLWOOD's "Bird in Hand" at Pitt Town. Regards, Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Orchard" <russorchard@ozemail.com.au> Subject: [H,H,HV] RE: Inn - Bird in the Hand > Hi all, > Is this the same "Bird in Hand" inn owned by Hugh Kelly in 1820. > Hugh Kelly's "Bird in Hand" Inn, a public house on Windsor Road, > was established at the new centre of Irishtown, subsequently called > Kellyville after the innkeeper. The Sydney Gazette of 19th February, > 1820, mentions Kelly as holding an inn license. It said that Kelly held > an inn license for the "Half Way House" on the road to Windsor and > the inn was subsequently known as the "Bird in Hand". > Does the building still exist in any shape or form? > Regards, > Russell Orchard ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Russell and listers, My understanding is that Hugh KELLY's "Bird in Hand", formerly located on the corner of Wrights and Windsor Roads (Kellyville), was a different establishment to that of Daniel SMALLWOOD's "Bird in Hand" at Pitt Town. Regards, Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Orchard" <russorchard@ozemail.com.au> Subject: [H,H,HV] RE: Inn - Bird in the Hand > Hi all, > Is this the same "Bird in Hand" inn owned by Hugh Kelly in 1820. > Hugh Kelly's "Bird in Hand" Inn, a public house on Windsor Road, > was established at the new centre of Irishtown, subsequently called > Kellyville after the innkeeper. The Sydney Gazette of 19th February, > 1820, mentions Kelly as holding an inn license. It said that Kelly held > an inn license for the "Half Way House" on the road to Windsor and > the inn was subsequently known as the "Bird in Hand". > Does the building still exist in any shape or form? > Regards, > Russell Orchard

Hi all, Is this the same "Bird in Hand" inn owned by Hugh Kelly in 1820. Hugh Kelly's "Bird in Hand" Inn, a public house on Windsor Road, was established at the new centre of Irishtown, subsequently called Kellyville after the innkeeper. The Sydney Gazette of 19th February, 1820, mentions Kelly as holding an inn license. It said that Kelly held an inn license for the "Half Way House" on the road to Windsor and the inn was subsequently known as the "Bird in Hand". Does the building still exist in any shape or form? Regards, Russell Orchard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jupester" <jupester@hotkey.net.au> > Subject: {not a subscriber} Bird in the Hand > > > > Hello Lina, > > I have a book 'A History of Early Pitt Town' by Rex Stubbs and on > > pages 35 - 36 it lists the Inns of Pitt Town. Bird in the Hand is one > > of them. > > 3. BIRD IN HAND INN. Daniel Smallwood operated the inn in 1825. > > It was probably situated opposite the present general store. > > A map drawn in 1828 shows that Daniel Smallwood owned the property > > on which the store now stands, as well as the property opposite, but > > that the only building was on the western side of Bathurst Street. > > After his death in 1839, Elizabeth Smallwood operated the licence until > > the end of 1842. Elizabeth and George Buckridge were married at St > > James, Pitt Town, on 20th April, 1843. George died on 27th > > September, 1865, aged 64 years. His occupation was then listed as > > a farmer. Elizabeth Buckridge died on 24th June, 1882, aged 84 years. > > On 15th March, 1935, the Windsor and Richmond Gazette reported the > > discovery of a quantity of whisky and brandy. It was initially thought > that > > a still had been unearthed, but it was later learned that the > spirits were > > ninety years old, and that they were on the site where Buckeridge > > "conducted an hotel in a building, since demolished, situated on the > > property now owned by Fred Johnston, opposite Miller's store, and it > > was here that the liquor was found". > > Mr Patrick Wilson, a labourer, had been engaged by Mr Johnston to > > do some excavation work to permit a silo to be erected. At a depth of > > four feet, twenty bottles were found in the decaying remnants of an old > > shed. There is, however, an old local tradition that the inn may have > > been on the corner of Eldon Street and Grenville Street, where the old > > Johnston home now stands. > > Hope this helps. > > Glenys Jupe > > Central Coast, NSW > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Sallie, I am 120Km away from my nearest one, but every person on the Electrol Roll the whole of Australia is on alphabetical index state by state. For a name like JANSMA it would probably take 15 mintues to look up every one listed in the country. Perhaps if you do not get results from this message you could try another message asking sks to look in the Electrol Office where there is a set of fiche for public use. I am not likely to be near one in the near future, or I would offer to do it for you. Sincerely, Bill colin and sallie davies wrote: > I am trying to contact an Australian person who, 18 months ago was looking for i

Dear Keith, The 22 means that you will find that in Volume 22. Only the first 123 volumes were copied by State Records and are in the Genealogical Research Kit. Big libraries have them. You cannot copy them becaue of Copyright. That particular entry would be 806 for the year 1838. Some of the numbers were renumbered and are hard to read. Sincerely, Bill Keith Skinner wrote: > Hi > > Can SKS advise me where I might find a list of what the numerical codes at

Hello Keith, Concerning your reference numbers 1838/V1838806 22 and your question of "What does the 22 stand for?" ....... The 22 refers to a reel of microfilm - Reel Number 22. If you go to a large library that has a Family History section, you will probably find that they have many such reels for early (pre 1856) NSW Parish Records for Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The V1838 means "Volume (as in a book) 1838" where the 1838 is the actual calendar year that the entry was originally recorded in the Church Parish Record (Registry) book. This book was microfilmed onto Reel # 22. The tricky part about reading these entries relates to the next lot of numbers - i.e. the 806 in your given reference number example. This usually is NOT one of the original "line numbers" that are printed on the left hand side of the page. Instead they are a 'newly allocated' number. Often only one such number appears on each page, (usually towards the top of it). You need to locate a number close to your known number (806) and then count the lines from there. For example the newly allocated number at the top of 'your entry's page' may be 795. In that case you would count down the page (on the microfilm reader screen) for 11 lines and then you would see your entry. When you do this, make sure that you are in the correct section (Baptism, Burial or Marriage) as well as being in the section for the correct year. Several years are usually on the same film, so you may have to "Fast Forward" towards the end of the film before you discover the actual year that you are after, (1838). Hope that this explanation helps you a little. Don't hesitate to email me if you'd like anything clarified. Also, if you are not near a library that has these films, let me know and I will look the entry up for you next time I am at my local library. Best wishes, Jeannine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Skinner" <kskinner@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: [H,H,HV] Codes - NSW Birth, Deaths & Marriages > Hi > > Can SKS advise me where I might find a list of what the numerical codes at > the end of the Volume Reference Number are > > eg. 1838/V1838806 22 - What does the 22 stand for. > > Thanks in advance > > Regards > > Keith Skinner

I am trying to contact an Australian person who, 18 months ago was looking for information about Emmeline and Hannah Munden, grand mother and great grandmother. I have lots of information about these two who are my relatives also, but each time I try to e mail 'Jan Jansma' the e mails are bouncing back bad address. If any of this rings any bells with anyone would they please contact me. Thanks. Sallie England

Sorry Keith, I sent that reply without reading your question properly :( My apologies. I think the number relates to the actual book (Volume) in the Registry that the entry is taken from, but others may be able to expand further if that's not quite right ... Diane ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Codes - NSW Birth, Deaths & Marriages > > Hi Keith, > > It's a good idea to bookmark these two pages, as the references > often come in handy :) > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ifhaa/ifhaa/misc/churchcod.htm > > Make sure all of the above is cut and pasted into a browser if it > doesn't come out as a clickable link. > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page7.html > > > > Regards, > Diane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Skinner" <kskinner@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: [H,H,HV] Codes - NSW Birth, Deaths & Marriages > > > > Hi > > Can SKS advise me where I might find a list of what the numerical > > codes at the end of the Volume Reference Number are > > eg. 1838/V1838806 22 - What does the 22 stand for. > > Thanks in advance > > Regards > > Keith Skinner

Hi Keith, It's a good idea to bookmark these two pages, as the references often come in handy :) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ifhaa/ifhaa/misc/churchcod.htm Make sure all of the above is cut and pasted into a browser if it doesn't come out as a clickable link. http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page7.html Regards, Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Skinner" <kskinner@ozemail.com.au> Subject: [H,H,HV] Codes - NSW Birth, Deaths & Marriages > Hi > Can SKS advise me where I might find a list of what the numerical > codes at the end of the Volume Reference Number are > eg. 1838/V1838806 22 - What does the 22 stand for. > Thanks in advance > Regards > Keith Skinner

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Hi Can SKS advise me where I might find a list of what the numerical codes at the end of the Volume Reference Number are eg. 1838/V1838806 22 - What does the 22 stand for. Thanks in advance Regards Keith Skinner My web page - Joseph Davis / Mary Rogers and their descendants Update 11/8/2002 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~kskinner/PAGE2.HTM

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Forwarded from Admin ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "jupester" <jupester@hotkey.net.au> Subject: {not a subscriber} Bird in the Hand > Hello Lina, > I have a book 'A History of Early Pitt Town' by Rex Stubbs and on > pages 35 - 36 it lists the Inns of Pitt Town. Bird in the Hand is one > of them. > 3. BIRD IN HAND INN. Daniel Smallwood operated the inn in 1825. > It was probably situated opposite the present general store. > A map drawn in 1828 shows that Daniel Smallwood owned the property > on which the store now stands, as well as the property opposite, but > that the only building was on the western side of Bathurst Street. > After his death in 1839, Elizabeth Smallwood operated the licence until > the end of 1842. Elizabeth and George Buckridge were married at St > James, Pitt Town, on 20th April, 1843. George died on 27th > September, 1865, aged 64 years. His occupation was then listed as > a farmer. Elizabeth Buckridge died on 24th June, 1882, aged 84 years. > On 15th March, 1935, the Windsor and Richmond Gazette reported the > discovery of a quantity of whisky and brandy. It was initially thought that > a still had been unearthed, but it was later learned that the spirits were > ninety years old, and that they were on the site where Buckeridge > "conducted an hotel in a building, since demolished, situated on the > property now owned by Fred Johnston, opposite Miller's store, and it > was here that the liquor was found". > Mr Patrick Wilson, a labourer, had been engaged by Mr Johnston to > do some excavation work to permit a silo to be erected. At a depth of > four feet, twenty bottles were found in the decaying remnants of an old > shed. There is, however, an old local tradition that the inn may have > been on the corner of Eldon Street and Grenville Street, where the old > Johnston home now stands. > Hope this helps. > Glenys Jupe > Central Coast, NSW

Dear Gwen, Thank you for the information on the Gibsons and Keightleys. Helen. Atherton, Qld. Researching Bewick, Broughton, Downey, Earnshaw, Keightley of Newcastle, NSW. ---------------------------------------------------- At 07:36 PM 20/08/02 +1000, you wrote: >Here is the other Gibson entry for Newcastle in the Aldine Centennial >History of NSW 1888 by W.F. Morrison:

At 04:01 PM 19/08/02 +1000, you wrote: >Hello Joe, Thank you for your detailed Walmsey file. I will be in touch If further data referring to your family or Constance comes to hand. With kind regards, Researching Bewick, Broughton, Downey, Earnshaw, Keightley Families of Newcastle NSW. Atherton, Qld. >Here is an outline descendant tree from my Walmsley file in Family >Treemaker. It shows what I have found mainly from my own research. I have >not included the other half of Joseph Walmsley's family at this stage.

Thanks for your two-part story of the Hawkesbury floods. We've had similar disasters in NZ. My folks were NSW settlers and I had heard about these tragedies during my research. I've kept a copy; thanks again. > From: "Diane" <dianep@optushome.com.au> > Reply-To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:32:04 +1000 > To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [H,H,HV] Hawkesbury Flood - 1809 (Part 1) > Resent-From: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:31:14 -0600 > > > Flood At Hawkesbury > from the Sydney Gazette, Sunday August 6, 1809 > > Accounts were on Tuesday last received in town of the Hawkesbury > Settlement being again flooded; and in the course of the following day > those accounts were unhappily confirmed; A Mr. BULL of Sydney, who > was at the house of Mr. John BENN, down the River, at the > commencement of the flood, informs us, that little or no rain fell in that > quarter until Saturday evening the 29th ultimo, when a heavy rain set in > which continued without intermission until Monday morning. That a rise > in the water was perceived between 10 and 11 on Sunday night, and > continued for some hours to rise gradually, but afterwards with an > astonishing rapidity until the whole of the surrounding farms were laid > under water. About noon on Tuesday it was at the highest; and in the > course of the afternoon abated 5 or 6 feet; but, in consequence of the > deluges of rain that fell in the evening and night of Tuesday, the water > rose again several feet. On Wednesday it began again to fall, and by > the noon of Thursday had decreased 10 feet from its greatest height. > Among the principal sufferers that we have heard of down the River, is > Mr. BENN; he having lost upwards of 300 head of swine, 100 sheep, > about 1000 bushells of wheat threshed or in stack, and a stack of > barley, besides a valuable property contained in his dwelling-house > and barn, among which were two chests of tea and a ton of sugar, but > a few days prior received from Sydney. >> From the Green Hills, the following report contained in a private letter, > dated on Tuesday night, 11 o'clock, was received in Town on Thursday; > "With regret I inform you of the dreadful scene that at the present > moment chills me with excessive horror. The whole of this extensive > settlement is one uninterrupted sheet of water. The lower range of > houses upon the Green Hills is immersed; and the River has formed > a juncture with the South Creek, across the Hills, through RICKERBY's > grounds upon the River side, and those of the Rev. Mr. MARSDEN on > the Creek. Yesterday and last night was a most dreadful season ! > The danger encroached with a rapidity never before witnessed; and the > cries of the numerous families who were more imminently exposed were > rendered still more agonizing by the impracticability of affording them > immediate relief. In one alarming instance, a young man a settler, his > wife, and three children, were seated on a ladder lain across the fork > of a tree, in which situation they contrived to sustain an equilibrium for > nearly three hours, the man a great part of the time clinging by his hands > at the end of the ladder; but alas; yielding to fatigue, he forsook his hold > and all were in consequence precipitated into the deluge. The woman > and children were picked up; but the fate of the unfortunate man is > doubtful. A settler at Cornwallis passed the Hills this morning on the > top of a small wheat-stack; his fate is unknown; but it is much hoped > he may have been preserved by some of the boats employed in this > humane work. In another, and truly melancholy instance, eight persons > are supposed to have perished in one spot. The names of those > supposed unfortunates have been mentioned; but from this I must > refrain, hoping the account may be erroneous, or at the least > exaggerated. At present all is uncertainty and dread, all terror and > astonishment. Some lives are lost; many have been saved by the > exertions of the mere enterprising, directed by our Magistrates, who > by their example encouraged the toil of rescuing whole families from > the very verge of fate. And I cannot omit to mention the active and > indefatigable exertions of Messrs. THOMPSON and BIGGERS, to > whom, under the direction of Divine Providence, many are indebted > for their lives ... > > > > to be continued > > > Diane > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >