Hello Michelle LD = Roman Catholic Sydney St Marys Regards Alan Alan.Eade@bigpond.com Alan Eade

----- Original Message ----- From: "S.H." <stargazer@cnn.net.au> Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [H,H,HV] HOSPITAL RECORDS > Hello Les > Maybe you could try the Dept of NSW Health. > You have to go through these people to get a letter of permission > to access any medical records held at the State Archives ect. > Maybe they can put you in the right direction. > www.health.nsw.gov.au > Phone: 02 9391 9000 > > Best of luck. > Regards > Shae > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <l.harrison@uws.edu.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:15 PM > Subject: [H,H,HV] HOSPITAL RECORDS > > > > Hello Listers, > > > > The records of the former South Sydney Womens Hospital at > > Camperdown elude me. > > Does any reader know where these are kept? I've already asked, > > without success, at: > > State Records; > > NSW Nurses Assoc; > > RPA Museum & Archive; > > Noel Butlin Archive Centre at ANU. > > > > Hope to verify my g-g/mothers midwife training there around 1890-ish. > > Thank you, in anticipation. Les.

Journalists shouldn't make claims about the whole world, or even Australia. There is a hotel in Tasmania in a fairly remote place on the shores of a lake and popular with fishermen (and women I suppose) with a grave at the front door. As I remember it is almost impossible to enter the hotel without walking on the grave. I can't remember the details of who it was or even the name of the hotel. John Tainsh -----Original Message----- From: Rod Gow [mailto:rgow@ceinternet.com.au] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:08 PM To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [H,H,HV] Cemetery in hotel grounds While indexing the Windsor & Richmond Gazette newspaper of 11 November 1907, we found the following article and thought it may be of interest to some on the list, especially those researching NOWLAND family. Best wishes, Rod & Wendy Gow Hallowed Ground A Neglected Cemetery There is probably no other place in Australia, if indeed in the whole world, where a graveyard is situated in the grounds of an hotel. This curious situation is to be seen at Tomerong, thirteen miles from Nowra. At the junction of the Jervis Bay and main South Coast roads stands the Commercial Hotel, and attached to its grounds, on the Bay road side, is Gods acre - the resting place of the early pioneers, and the property of the local publican. We dont want to write sorrow on the bosom of the earth, (says the Nowra Leader) but it struck us as being singularly incongruous that the plot of ground, which has been hallowed by the deposition there of the remains of those who lived and died nearly half a century ago, should be part and parcel of the hotel yard. It comes about this way - Mr. John Parnell, who was one of the first residents of Tomerong, conducted the local hotel, and owned the property upon which it is built. Years ago - probably 45 years - he gave the people of Tomerong part of the property - about an acre, a few paces from the building - as a public cemetery.No legal transfer of the land to any trust was ever made, and apparently none was ever asked for. Burials took place from time to time, and nobody ever thought of the necessity for getting the property handed over.. Bye and bye Mr. Parnell died without having conveyed the property to a trust, and when the estate came to be disposed of the local publican found that he had purchased the graveyard, probably the first and only public graveyard that has been sold in Australia. And this is the situation as it exists to-day. It is difficult to tell how many bodies have been interred in the ground, but there are standing nearly twenty fences, in a state of disrepair. and also a few headstones. Probably thirty or forty graves are absolutely beyond identification. In fact crops are being cultivated above the remains of many forgotten pioneers. And unless something is done by the people of Tomerong the fences will disappear one by one, and in a few short years not a record will remain of the good people who braved the vicissitudes of the earlier times. Mr. John Nowland, son of Mr. M. Nowland, of Mountain View, Richmond, recently purchased the estate which embraces the cemetery, so he is the owner of the only graveyard that has ever been sold in Australia. - (Editor of the Gazette) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Sent to the wrong address .... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Hutchings" <glendahutch@austarnet.com.au> Subject: Listing my interests TAYLOR HI out there I am researching the family of THOMAS TAYLORb,May 1808,SPALDING LINCOLNSHIRE m ELIZABETH LAWSON,6 JUNE 1832 IN SPALDING. Came to AUSTRALIA on the CORMANDEL with their two children WILLIAM aged 4 and RICHARD THOMAS aged 2 years, arriving SYDNEY 2 Oct 1838 and settled in the MORPETH. My G.Grandfather ROBERT JOHN TAYLOR was born at MORPETH 29 NOVEMBER 1839, m.EMMA LOFTS 25 SEPTEMBER 1861 . Other children were DAVID JAMES TAYLOR.b.30 SEPTEMBER D. 3 JANUARY 1857. ANN ELIZABETH TAYLOR b 19 JANUARY 1845. WILLIAM LAWSON TAYLOR. B. 14 JANUARY 1847 d. 22 MAY 1889 m. ELIZABETH ? JOSEPH BENJAMIN TAYLOR b.1 OCTOBER 1848 d. 8 FEBRUARY 1849. EDWARD KINGSTON TAYLOR b 30 NOVEMBER 1849 D.21 OCTOBER 1949 LISMORE. area.I would dearly like to hear from anyone researching this family. With thanks Glenda from Qld.

While indexing the Windsor & Richmond Gazette newspaper of 11 November 1907, we found the following article and thought it may be of interest to some on the list, especially those researching NOWLAND family. Best wishes, Rod & Wendy Gow Hallowed Ground A Neglected Cemetery There is probably no other place in Australia, if indeed in the whole world, where a graveyard is situated in the grounds of an hotel. This curious situation is to be seen at Tomerong, thirteen miles from Nowra. At the junction of the Jervis Bay and main South Coast roads stands the Commercial Hotel, and attached to its grounds, on the Bay road side, is Gods acre - the resting place of the early pioneers, and the property of the local publican. We dont want to write sorrow on the bosom of the earth, (says the Nowra Leader) but it struck us as being singularly incongruous that the plot of ground, which has been hallowed by the deposition there of the remains of those who lived and died nearly half a century ago, should be part and parcel of the hotel yard. It comes about this way - Mr. John Parnell, who was one of the first residents of Tomerong, conducted the local hotel, and owned the property upon which it is built. Years ago - probably 45 years - he gave the people of Tomerong part of the property - about an acre, a few paces from the building - as a public cemetery.No legal transfer of the land to any trust was ever made, and apparently none was ever asked for. Burials took place from time to time, and nobody ever thought of the necessity for getting the property handed over.. Bye and bye Mr. Parnell died without having conveyed the property to a trust, and when the estate came to be disposed of the local publican found that he had purchased the graveyard, probably the first and only public graveyard that has been sold in Australia. And this is the situation as it exists to-day. It is difficult to tell how many bodies have been interred in the ground, but there are standing nearly twenty fences, in a state of disrepair. and also a few headstones. Probably thirty or forty graves are absolutely beyond identification. In fact crops are being cultivated above the remains of many forgotten pioneers. And unless something is done by the people of Tomerong the fences will disappear one by one, and in a few short years not a record will remain of the good people who braved the vicissitudes of the earlier times. Mr. John Nowland, son of Mr. M. Nowland, of Mountain View, Richmond, recently purchased the estate which embraces the cemetery, so he is the owner of the only graveyard that has ever been sold in Australia. - (Editor of the Gazette)

Hello Listers, The records of the former South Sydney Womens Hospital at Camperdown elude me. Does any reader know where these are kept? I've already asked, without success, at: State Records; NSW Nurses Assoc; RPA Museum & Archive; Noel Butlin Archive Centre at ANU. Hope to verify my g-g/mothers midwife training there around 1890-ish. Thank you, in anticipation. Les.

Hi all, I have found an entry on the on-line BDM with a reference code of 'LD'. This does not seem to appear on Lesley Uebel's reference page, can anyone help as to the meaning of LD? Am wondering if it is interstate. Michelle LINNETH Darwin, NT Researching: ANDREWS, MASKEY, MERRICK, McGILVRAY, BROWN, BENNETT.

As some listers may be aware about 12 months ago I wrote a book about the 1867 floods & the 1874 fire in Windsor. I have reproduced one of the lists from the book below, for interest. Michelle Nichols LOWER HAWKESBURY DISTRIBUTION LIST 1867 Following the 1867 flood the Colonial Secretary, wrote to James Walmsley, George Black, Henry Wilson & William Cross regarding the suffering of the Lower Hawkesbury inhabitants. The Government supplied certain items but requested that only the "persons suffering from actual and urgent destitution" were to be assisted. They were not to aid anyone who sustained losses from the floods but were still able to help themselves. The following rules were provided to guide them. 1. Persons whose houses have been destroyed in addition to the loss of their farm produce, furniture and effects will be entitled to first consideration according to their number of children ad their means of self help. 2. Persons whose homes are left standing but who lost everything else including furniture and effects will be entitled to second considerations in the same manner. 3. Persons whose homes have been reached by the floods but have lost their crops and stock and are without present means to support will be entitled to third consideration in the same way. As of the 15 July 1867 a total of 460 persons had been given assitance in the Lower Hawkesbury and the following items distributed : 9,974 lbs of flour; 14 quarts and 18 pint pannikins; 32 bags of potatoes; 100 blankets; 789lbs salt; 1,699 lbs beef 1052 lbs sugar 153 lbs tea 43 lbs cornflour 8 bottles of port wine; 18 pairs of trousers; 19 coats; 36 chemises; 46 hose; 24 woollen shirts; 6 saucepans; 6 frying pans & 12 (?) woollen hose. (Not a lot of clothes or blankets when you think it was winter?) The list of names was also supplied. (The list is in alpha order by first name) Name No. of Family members Andrew Burns 7 Benjamin Crompton 1 C? Allen 6 C? Lane 7 Charles Douglass 10 Charles Watkins 3 Christopher Douglass 11 David Books 6 David Cross 6 Dennis O'Brien 6 Ellen Cross 8 Enoch Bantomy (Bantoury?) 1 Francis Hearn 10 George Douglass 12 George Gibson 1 George Greentree 5 George Morris 8 George Woodbury 9 Henry Singleton 6 Henry Zeplin 5 Hugh Byrnes 1 Humphrey Douglas 8 James Byrnes 11 James Cross 1 James Crossland 10 James Foody Jnr 1 James Foody 4 James Marion 1 James McFetridge 4 James McKay 3 James Sullivan 10 John Allan 1 John Chaseling 4 John Cox 7 John Duffell 7 John Else 4 John Hewitt 7 John Lahey 3 John Laughton 11 John Lewis 2 John McCausland 1 John Phillips 1 John Watkins 6 Joseph Ladd 5 Joseph Mitchell 3 Joseph Ralph 3 Josiah Sullivan 3 Mary Ann Sutton 6 Mary Starkey 4 Matthew Chaseling 6 Matthew Everingham 7 Matthew McFetridge 1 Mrs Thomas Cross 9 Peter Kemp 12 Peter Linch (sic) 5 Richard Byrnes 5 Richard Cross 1 Richard Morris 9 Robert Eales 10 Robert Scaddon 1 Robert Wright 3 Samuel Watkins 3 Samuel? Egley 1 Sylvester Butler 7 Terence Smith 9 Thomas Brown 5 Thomas Cross 1 Thomas Douglass 11 Thomas Everingham 5 Thomas Green 5 Thomas Greentree 12 Thomas Hosier 1 Thomas Ivory 7 Thomas Nagel (sic) 6 Thomas Rose 12 Thomas Smith 7 Thomas Starkey Jnr 2 Thomas Starkey 5 Thomas Stewart 3 Thomas Watkins 12 Widow Byrnes 7 Widow Toomey 6 William Gamble 9 William Hill 1 William Russell 1 William Walmsley 1 (Source : Papers of H. Wilson, 1860 - 1906. ML A3145) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Dear Dawn, There are 5 entries for Thomas Jones in the Parramatta Chronicle 1843-45 newspaper index that we recently published. (probably not all the same man). We have extracted the following two that seem to relate to Windsor district as we thought they may be of interest. The first one was the entry that we referred to in our last e-mail. Jones Thomas or John Thomas Ticket of Leave Windsor - per ship ìEarl Greyî 2 edition = 25 Oct 1845 page = 1 column =4 Jones Thomas (T of L) Legal Windsor edition =1 Nov 1845 page 2 column 4 This newspaper is available on the internet for viewing via Acrobat Reader at ... <http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/bfull/14403439_bfull.html> It can be read on or off line, we find it is quicker if you have your settings to save to disc. Hope this is of interest, Dawn (there are several hundred of entries for the Windsor/Richmond district). Best wishes, Rod & Wendy Gow GandDFriend@aol.com wrote: > Dear Rod & Wendy, > The 2 Jones that I am working on are: > The convict ship "Neptune" > The Convict ship "Elizabeth" > Regards > Dawn > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am not a rellie of yours, but I am researching for a friend, Karen Ashby, who is possibly distantly related to you. John Guilliam b c 1800 was her great, great, great grandfather. John's son, John b 1839 married Susan Dobbs (also known as Brennan and Grono). Their daughter Mary Jane Gullum married Henry Keane or Kane. Their daughter Teresa married Edward Knapton, whose son Frances Knapton married Norma Bradley. These are my friend's grandparents. How far back do you go with the Gullums? Marie

Hi List I am researching the Beahan ,Gough and Gwilliam/Gullum families. Any information would be greatfully accepted and also information that I can provide. These families were in and around the Windsor, Pitt town & Richmond areas. Thank You Pam Port Macquarie ----- Original Message ----- From: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-D Digest V02 #304

Dear Dawn, Would your Thomas Jones have been per the ship Earl Grey 2 ? Best wishes, Rod & Wendy Gow GandDFriend@aol.com wrote: > I am new on the list and was wondering if anybody might > have connections to this side of my family. > Thomas Jones (convict) married Sarah Embrey about 1834 in Wilberforce. > > Dawn

Dear Rod & Wendy, The 2 Jones that I am working on are: The convict ship "Neptune" The Convict ship "Elizabeth" Regards Dawn

Hello The Lists Sorry for the cross postings The forward is from the post re Tara Newtown Many thanks for the help and the forward is a post from Marie Power Again thanks John & Shirley Smith Maitland Area Lower Hunter Valley NSW Australia smiths@hunterlink.net.au -----Original Message----- From: Paul & Marie Power [mailto:FernhillRd@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2002 3:09 PM To: smiths@hunterlink.net.au Subject: Newtown Connection Dear John and Shirley thank you very much for all your assistance and would you please pass on my thanks to your contacts. The first one from Helen Dickinson re the NSW BDM's Hilda May Phillips marriage to John Stanley Power yes that is the correct one and the death of David Phillips at Laurieton SMH 11/5/94 very interesting, we are going up to Pt Macquarie this weekend so will see if I can find the grave. I do have the address for SMH death notices. Also will contact Margaret Phillips re her research into the Phillips family. >From Lesley Yes I suspected it was a home for unwed mothers. Gran also was living at 90 Stanmore Road Stanmore which is a stones throw from Edgeware Rd and I suspect that the same people owned this building as the ones who owned Tara. But not as yet been able to properly establish this. Please pass on thanks to H Dickinson re info on Edgeware Road and Newtown in general, very helpful >From Tony Moore I will email archives and see what I can get >From Betty Candy I did look at the Newtown website when I first started looking some months ago but there was nothing helpful will try again. Last one from Helen Dickinson re her contact with the Local Studies Librarian at Marrickville I also contacted them when I first started looking and was from there that I discovered the owner of Tara in 1913. Just to fill you in on this, I was told that the owner in 1913 was Henry T Rozea, a dentist so I researched the Rozea family and thought I was on to something when I found that Henry T and his wife had a daughter in 1911 and the daughter died in 1912. I thought perhaps they had arranged adoption of Gran's baby after they lost their own however I went on to discover that Mrs Rozea committed suicide in March 1913 and as Gran's baby was born in October 1913 it would have been highly unlikely that adoption was the case. A friend in Qld, after I had told her of this, also looked up the Sands Directory and realised that it was like the White Pages and printed a year in advance and discovered that in the 1914 edition Tara was owned by Mrs Starkie and was a private hospital. I have followed Jenny Fawcett's advice and sent letters to all the ministers in charge of the mainstream churches in that area and am waiting to see what I get from that. There are a number of different churches there now for instance The Rock Christian Faith Centre and the Church of the Foursquare Gospel which I didn't bother with as I am sure they weren't' t around in 1913. We are having our family Christmas get together this weekend at Pt Macquarie leaving early Friday morning, so will be unable to do anything else now until next week as I have to prepare food, pack etc. Once again thank you to yourselves and all your contacts, people are very kind aren't they? Bye for now Marie Power FernhillRd@bigpond.com

Mad dogs and Englishmen mate! Phillip Carruthers Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Home Phone +617 3273 5531 Work Phone +617 3221 9277 Work Fax +617 3229 5475 Mobile 0411 643 427 Home e-mail pcarruth@bigpond.net.au Work e-mail p.carruthers@ndy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Billy Arch To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Sawyers Gully Hi Phillip, Sawyers Gully is a bit of a quantum leap from Chinaman's Hollow, but as an old cricketer I know what the sun can do to you. Regards Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Carruthers" <pcarruth@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:58 AM Subject: [H,H,HV] Sawyers Gully > Hello All, > > Thanks for the responses to my Sawyers Gully question. It was nostalgia trip for me. I live in Maitland until 1985 and played cricket for Blackhill cricket in the 60's and 70's. > > I played in many strange places with strange names and I thought that Sawyers Gully was one of them. I now believe I was thinking of Chinaman's Hollow near Kurri. > > If I'm correct, Sawyers Gully is on the border of Cessnock State Forrest. I remember it from my rallying days with the HV Sporting Car Club. > Phillip Carruthers > Brisbane, Queensland, > AUSTRALIA > > Home Phone +617 3273 5531 > Work Phone +617 3221 9277 > Work Fax +617 3229 5475 > Mobile 0411 643 427 > Home e-mail pcarruth@bigpond.net.au > Work e-mail p.carruthers@ndy.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Phillip, Sawyers Gully is a bit of a quantum leap from Chinaman's Hollow, but as an old cricketer I know what the sun can do to you. Regards Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Carruthers" <pcarruth@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:58 AM Subject: [H,H,HV] Sawyers Gully > Hello All, > > Thanks for the responses to my Sawyers Gully question. It was nostalgia trip for me. I live in Maitland until 1985 and played cricket for Blackhill cricket in the 60's and 70's. > > I played in many strange places with strange names and I thought that Sawyers Gully was one of them. I now believe I was thinking of Chinaman's Hollow near Kurri. > > If I'm correct, Sawyers Gully is on the border of Cessnock State Forrest. I remember it from my rallying days with the HV Sporting Car Club. > Phillip Carruthers > Brisbane, Queensland, > AUSTRALIA > > Home Phone +617 3273 5531 > Work Phone +617 3221 9277 > Work Fax +617 3229 5475 > Mobile 0411 643 427 > Home e-mail pcarruth@bigpond.net.au > Work e-mail p.carruthers@ndy.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello All, Thanks for the responses to my Sawyers Gully question. It was nostalgia trip for me. I live in Maitland until 1985 and played cricket for Blackhill cricket in the 60's and 70's. I played in many strange places with strange names and I thought that Sawyers Gully was one of them. I now believe I was thinking of Chinaman's Hollow near Kurri. If I'm correct, Sawyers Gully is on the border of Cessnock State Forrest. I remember it from my rallying days with the HV Sporting Car Club. Phillip Carruthers Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Home Phone +617 3273 5531 Work Phone +617 3221 9277 Work Fax +617 3229 5475 Mobile 0411 643 427 Home e-mail pcarruth@bigpond.net.au Work e-mail p.carruthers@ndy.com

I am new on the list and was wondering if anybody might have connections to this side of my family. Thomas Jones (convict) married Sarah Embrey about 1834 in Wilberforce. issue Elizabeth 1835 Windsor Mary Ann 1837 Windsor Thoms 1840 Windsor Jane 1842 Windsor William 1845 Windosr Thomas died 1860 accidental death involving a dray. Sarah died at Windsor 1874 Sarah had been married before to Charles Ford (convict) There was a least 2 Thomas Jones in the area at this time so it makes it difficult to match up. Have looked up all the relevant info re convicts but so far I haven't been able to work out which Thomas is ours. I look forward to hearing back from anybody with information Dawn

Dear Listers Here are the WW1 records that appear on the following site: http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/recordsearch.html for Murrundi and Muswellbrook as Places of Birth Murrurundi Adams Edwin Arthur Adams Edward James Beale Robert Batterham Percy William Clifford Vincent Thomas Corbett Edward Bernard Farrell James Joseph Filan Patrick Luke Gimbert Alfred William McLean Clarence Muswellbrook Ashburn, Reginald George Ashburn, Edward Roy Brown, Bruce Harold Budden, Arthur Chester, Charles Norton Cox, Hunter Easterbrook, Elijah Martin, Frank Zerk, David Henry hope this helps somebody Carol Dale

I think it is on the road between Maitland and Kurri Kurri Lorraine I At 08:04 5/12/02 +1000, you wrote: >Hello, > >Please refresh my memory! Where is Sawyers Gully. I can remember the >name but can't place where it is. I think I played cricket there. Would >that be right? > > >Phillip Carruthers >Brisbane, Queensland, >AUSTRALIA > >Home Phone +617 3273 5531 >Work Phone +617 3221 9277 >Work Fax +617 3229 5475 >Mobile 0411 643 427 >Home e-mail pcarruth@bigpond.net.au >Work e-mail p.carruthers@ndy.com > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237