The following article, by Michael Lewis, appeared in the January, 2003 edition (p.5) of the Hawkesbury Independant : Your Street : Dormitory Hill Road Now a National Park, the land surrounding Scheyville's Dormitory Hill Road has had a varied past, including stints as a training farm, migrant accomodation centre and army training grounds. The road obtained its name from the dormitory adjacent to the road that was originally used to accomodate young male British migrants in the early 20th century. The land's first use dates back to 1893 when 930 hectares, originally part of the Pitt Town Common, became the Pitt Town Co-operative Labour Settlement. The original plan was to establish families on the land, similar to a commune, who would ultimately benefit from the profits. The land was to provide an alternative form of employment specifically for the breadwinners of families during the 1890's depression. Despite a successful start, the scheme disbanded and from 1896 to1910 the site became known as the Casual Labour Farm where unemployed men were housed in return for their keep. Between 1910 and 1939, the site was used to house more than 7,500 British boys aged between 14 and 19, who had migrated to Australia. They were sent to Scheyville to gain experience as agricultural labourers. The boys were originally sponsored by the Dreadnought Society which diverted unused funds from a failed plan to purchase a Dreadnought class battleship for the Australian Navy to pay for their migration and training. Up to 100 boys could be accomodated at a time and the farm flourished with wheat, oats, maize, potatoes and other crops. Every item on the menu at the boy's dormitory except bread, tea and sugar was grown on the farm. The students learnt most aspects of farming life, including shearing, dairying and first-hand experience in saw-milling, black-smithing, saddlery and wheel-wrighting. Many of the boys had to contend with loneliness, hard work and adapting to the Australian way of life. Fortunately, regular Saturday night dances were held at the dormitory hall where mothers would bring their daughters from Windsor. The training farm ceased operation due to the onset of WW11, when the area became occupied by the Army, used by the First Parachute Battalion and several artillery units. Following the war, the camp was used as a migrant accomodation centre to accomodate the influx of migrants to Australia between 1949 and 1964. Within months of the centre opening there were 1,200 migrants and staff installed. >From 1965 to 1973, the area operated as an Officer Training Unit for men on National Service. The men were trained as infantry platoon commanders specifically for the hostilities of jungle warfare conditions in Vietnam. Following the abolition of National Service, the land was leased by Hawkesbury Agricultural College for five years, but since then has been the centre of a number of proposals including a prison, an airport, a rubbish tip and a residential village before becoming a National Park. Cheers, Diane

Hello All I forgot to mention in my previous email, that the death certificates for both George Ancel and his Wife Hannah who later married Thomas Akins do not mention any children. Maybe they could have moved away and the witnesses to the deaths were involved with George and Hannah through their social activities and had no previous knowledge. ANNE

Hello Everyone, I am trying to find out about children born to George Ancel and Hannah Walker who were married at Windsor in 1832. To date I have been unable to find any BDM references, but a Hannah Ancel in 1860 & 1863 with the birth of two sons mentions she was born in Windsor. Again this was advised when she married Roland Hughes in Wollongong in 1863, where she had been living for the past 4 years. Hannah gave her age as 22 years. The 1841 census showed that George was living both at George Street Windsor and Crown Street Wollongong a most remarkable man - may be the census was not conducted on one night. George Ancel was in partnership with a person called Hemmings as Butchers - unfortunately they became insolvent in 1842. George was back in Windsor in 1846 as he was an executer to a will at this time and mentioned as living at Windsor. The minutes of the Windsor Road Trust, mention that his accounts from his store were passed for payment from 1850 - 1853. George was involved in the Benevolent Society for 11 years from 1854 - 1864 of which he was Treasurer for 9. In 1860 George was on the committee for the Mechanical Literary Society. His activities show that George must have been a fairly educated man for his era, he was a currency lad, born circa 1806. I feel that educating his children would be important to him. My round about question is, what schools were in or around Windsor from 1832 - 1842 and does the Windsor Library hold any of the school rolls. If not do I make a journey to Kingswood or Globe street to the State Archives or does S.A.G. have copies of the rolls. Thanking you in advance. Oh BTW George Ancel died in 1864 at Windsor and is buried at St Matthews C/E ANNE

That's a fairly 'broad' question Hugh :) This is but one reference to a ship named "Ontario" from http://www.acay.com.au/~gsm/Ontario1852.html The Ontario was built in Quebec in 1851 for George Provost, a Liverpool merchant. It was a ship of 598 tons unladen (burthen 694 tons), had 2 decks + a poop. Length was 125.7 feet, breadth 29.3 feet, depth in hold 20.7 feet. It was a barque sailing vessel, that is, three-masted, standing bowsprit, square rigged, carvel built, no galleries and with a woman's figurhead in the bows. The frame work and planking were of wood and she was registered in Liverpool 1 July, 1852. The ship was registered to carry 273 immigrants, however, she sailed for NSW from Liverpool on 3 August, 1852 with 309 Scottish immigrants from Skye and one other passenger (plus 300 tons of coal, 20 tons of salt, and other cargo). It was her maiden voyage. The Master's name was Jonathan Jackson. He died on the voyage, of typhus fever/typhoid, which also killed 36 passengers and 2 other crew by the time the ship reached Sydney. The fever struck one month out of Liverpool. 170 cases of it (more than half those on board!) were reported by the surgeon superintendent Thomas Barker M.D., when the ship arrived at Port Jackson (Sydney Harbour) on 26th November, 1852. The ship was kept in quarrantine until 15th December, during which time a further 8 people died of the disease and were buried at North Head Quarantine Cemetery. The ship's NSW arrival documents can be found on NSW Government Archives Authority Microfilm reel no. 2136. It may, or may not, be the one, but without more details ..... ? An interesting link all the same. Regards, Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Dangar Gillies" <silverronin@bigpond.com> Subject: [H,H,HV] Ontario > Hello out there > Does the good ship 'Ontario' ring a bell with anyone? Cheers > Hugh Gillies

Steve was wondering what information would exist to track life in the colony, especially in the Windsor/Richmond areas also Rouse Hill. I would suggest compiling a timeline using the dates & facts you already know. (i.e. births, marriages, deaths, employment etc) Use this to think of ideas of where your ancestors may have left their names. Did they own land, did their children attend local schools, were they employed as public servants, did they belong to any groups or societies, are they listed in electoral rolls or post office directories. Local newspapers are a good place to start. Unfortunately not many newspapers exist for the period you are interested in. The following are available on microfilm at the Hawkesbury City Council Library, Windsor as well as the State Library of NSW & the National Library in Canberra. They are : Australian : Windsor, Richmond & Hawkesbury Advertiser 1873-1896 (Incomplete); Hawkesbury Advocate 1888-1900 (Incomplete);Hawkesbury Chronicle 1881-1900 (Incomplete); Hawkesbury Courier 1844-1846; 1981+ (Incomplete) & Hawkesbury Gazette (previously Windsor & Richmond Gazette) 1888+. Another newspaper you could consult is the Cumberland Mercury 1875-95, it is Parramatta based but also has articles about the Hawkesbury & Rouse Hill areas. Journals & newsletters are also interesting. Churches and special interest groups also published journals and these often have interesting articles. (i.e. the Methodist church often published obituaries of leading churchmen) Some other suggestions are to check what families married into the Stevenson family and follow up whether anyone has done research and/or maybe produced a family history. Hawkesbury Library, State Library & SAG have many published & unpublished family histories. Browse through these to give you a picture of other families in the district (and always check the index)Also look at the bibliography and the sources used as it may give you a clue on some different types of material. Look at local histories that have been published there are several on the Hawkesbury as well as one on Rouse Hill & the Rouse family. Reminscences are always good. These were published often in the local papers around the turn of the century, some are indexed, some are not but usually there is some way to follow through them. Diaries are interesting, and provide details of what life was like. It is matter of checking catalogues and finding someone in a particular area at the right time. The Mitchell Library has an excellent collection of diaries. Always advertise your interests, like you have on this mailing list, also in local family history magazines etc. Keep upto date with new released material. More and more things are being indexed and also keep an eye on the internet. Hope this is of some assistance & good luck!! Michelle Nichols _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Steve was wondering what information would exist to track life in the colony, especially in the Windsor/Richmond areas also Rouse Hill. I would suggest compiling a timeline using the dates & facts you already know. (i.e. births, marriages, deaths, employment etc) Use this to think of ideas of where your ancestors may have left their names. Did they own land, did their children attend local schools, were they employed as public servants, did they belong to any groups or societies, are they listed in electoral rolls or post office directories. Local newspapers are a good place to start. Unfortunately not many newspapers exist for the period you are interested in. The following are available on microfilm at the Hawkesbury City Council Library, Windsor as well as the State Library of NSW & the National Library in Canberra. They are : Australian : Windsor, Richmond & Hawkesbury Advertiser 1873-1896 (Incomplete); Hawkesbury Advocate 1888-1900 (Incomplete);Hawkesbury Chronicle 1881-1900 (Incomplete); Hawkesbury Courier 1844-1846; 1981+ (Incomplete) & Hawkesbury Gazette (previously Windsor & Richmond Gazette) 1888+. Another newspaper you could consult is the Cumberland Mercury 1875-95, it is Parramatta based but also has articles about the Hawkesbury & Rouse Hill areas. Journals & newsletters are also interesting. Churches and special interest groups also published journals and these often have interesting articles. (i.e. the Methodist church often published obituaries of leading churchmen) Some other suggestions are to check what families married into the Stevenson family and follow up whether anyone has done research and/or maybe produced a family history. Hawkesbury Library, State Library & SAG have many published & unpublished family histories. Browse through these to give you a picture of other families in the district (and always check the index)Also look at the bibliography and the sources used as it may give you a clue on some different types of material. Look at local histories that have been published there are several on the Hawkesbury as well as one on Rouse Hill & the Rouse family. Reminscences are always good. These were published often in the local papers around the turn of the century, some are indexed, some are not but usually there is some way to follow through them. Diaries are interesting, and provide details of what life was like. It is matter of checking catalogues and finding someone in a particular area at the right time. The Mitchell Library has an excellent collection of diaries. Always advertise your interests, like you have on this mailing list, also in local family history magazines etc. Keep upto date with new released material. More and more things are being indexed and also keep an eye on the internet. Hope this is of some assistance & good luck!! Michelle Nichols _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hello out there Does the good ship 'Ontario' ring a bell with anyone? Cheers Hugh Gillies

Thanks everybody re Lamb and Jones. I have just found out that my William Jones was a bachelor which means he wasn't the one that married Lamb. His step-sister Ann Ford married George Marden in 1855 Windsor. Does this mean anything to anyone? With the surname Jones it makes it quite difficult to trace the family. Only with elimination can I hope to find the family. Regards Dawn

Hi all, I have a John Henry STEVENSON who married Harriet FRANCIS in Windsor in 1861. Eventually (abt 1874-1877) they moved with their children to the Paterson/Dungog area. I was wondering what information would exist for me to be able to track John's life in the colony, especially in the Windsor/Richmond areas. I know from the Greville's 1872 directory that he was a labourer living in Rouse Hill at the time but that's it. Apparently he arrived in the colony abt 1860 due to info on his death certificate, but I haven't been able to locate the ship that he arrived on. I would like to hear from anyone with any suggestions on where and how to proceed, and especially from those people that are related to this family. Regards, Steve Allen.

No Sorry Have other BULLEN names though Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ms Louise Clayton" <walburn@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Lamb Hi I have an Ann Bullen in about 1806 Sydney Any relation? Louise walburn@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise Genge" <louiseg@hotkey.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Lamb > I haven't Mary Ann but do have William Leslie LAMB. Married Edith BULLEN in > 1912 in Sydney > Louise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GandDFriend@aol.com> > To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:14 PM > Subject: [H,H,HV] Lamb > > > Does anybody have a connection with > Mary Ann Lamb married William Jones? > Regards > Dawn > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks Janice - I am currently editing a booklet of Jean Purtell's that covers the post offices and posties of the Hawkesbury River region. I am following up on a number of references at present and then will be asking for any extra information on a number of people to help fill in gaps. I'm amazed at the number of post offices there were and the number of mailmen and women - every few miles there was at least a mail receiving station! The reference to fisherman is also helpful as that is another project in the pipeline - I have been collecting information from the earliest Annual Reports of NSW Fisheries to prepare a history of the Hawkesbury Fishery. Regards Jocelyn Powell Deerubbin Press phone 02 94562476 email: deerubbinpress@aol.com website: www.deerubbinpress.com.au

Hi I have an Ann Bullen in about 1806 Sydney Any relation? Louise walburn@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise Genge" <louiseg@hotkey.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Lamb > I haven't Mary Ann but do have William Leslie LAMB. Married Edith BULLEN in > 1912 in Sydney > Louise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GandDFriend@aol.com> > To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:14 PM > Subject: [H,H,HV] Lamb > > > Does anybody have a connection with > Mary Ann Lamb married William Jones? > Regards > Dawn > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

If anyone is looking for information on Coal Miners. I have a copy of the book Muswellbrook Coal Company The First 90 Years 1907 - 1997 By John McDonald It is a wealth of information about people connected with the Muswellbrook Coal Company in the Upper Hunter. I am happy to do lookups BUT, so we don't clutter the list with requests, PLEASE email me OFF LIST at hjayd@myplace.net.au Any requests to the list will be IGNORED. Regards Helen

Hi saw this in 25 Oct 1890 Daily Telegraph On long list of people who won mail contracts Lower Portland & Leets Vale three times a week Jeremiah Woodbury for three years at 20 pounds per annum. Also company list for new NSW Fisherman & Fish Consumer Association R. Izzard fisherman Tuggerah Lake I. Izzard fisherman Hawkesbury River on list of directors 25 Oct 1890 Might help someone Janice

Attention Susie, You made enquiries about the Kirwan Turnbull families recently. The following entry is from the Hawkesbury Pioneer Register Vol. 1 (1994) I will send you the contributor details offline. KIRWAN, DENIS BENJAMIN b CAR IRL d 15/10/1851 Sackville bur St. Thomas' Sackville Reach. Arr 13/3/1816 "Hayeston" convict m 16/11/1818 St. Matthew's Windsor to JESSICA TURNBULL b 20/7/1800 LND ENG (d of John Turnbull & Ann Warr who m ca.1790 LND ENG) d 1/4/1882 Sackville bur St. Thomas' Sackville Reach. Arr 13/6/1802 "Coromandel" free. Issue: Hiram John b 26/4/1819 Sackville d 6/7/1904 m 6/4/1840 Charlotte Arndell d 13/4/1901 Windsor; Elizabeth b 4/10/1820 Sackville d 14/11/1846 Sackville m William Everingham d 5/3/1872; Matilda Zillah b 22/11/1822 Sackville d 28/7/1894 Ebenezer m 15/3/1853 Ebenezer, Matthew Long McFetridge d 10/9/1890; Dianna b 12/12/1824 Sackville d 17/2/1914 Marrickville m 15/3/1853 Robert F G Millington d 20/11/1909 Newtown; Anne b 10/12/1826 Sackville d 17/1/1876 Windsor m 25/10/1849 William Hopkins d 5/12/1900 Windsor; Colclough b 29/11/1828 d 20/3/1877 Hamilton River unmarried; Phoebe b 13/9/1930 Sackville d 20/12/1867 m 1852 John Sanday; Henrietta Caroline b 2/10/1832 Sackville d 24/3/1890 unmarried; Adelaide Jane b 28/9/1834 d 19/8/1879 Waterloo m.1. 15/11/1856 Charles Edwin Mason m.2. Thomas Cross; Harriett b 5/12/1836 Sackville d 29/8/1841 Sackville; Victoria b 13/7/1839 Sackville m 30/1/1864 George Weldon d 1896; Harriett Venus b 11/11/1841 Sackville unmarried; Angelina b 18/7/1844 Sackville d 20/5/1864 Sackville unmarried. "Turnbulls on the Coromandel 1802 : Hawkesbury River colonists" was compiled in 2002 by Dorothy & Roy Turnbull. I will send you their address offline. Cheers Michelle Nichols _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Hi Jan, Yes, their son Leslie George Jones m. Annie Melville Gambrill. I have 12 children born to William and Margaret Ann (nee Lamb) Jones. Perhaps we should continue this off list. Regards, Coralie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Glasby" <jan.glasby@hawkerc.act.edu.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Lamb > Hi Coralie, > > Did William and Margaret have a son Leslie, born 1880 Windsor, who married > Annie Melville GAMBRILL in 1916 in St Albans? > > Cheers > Jan >

Hi Coralie, Did William and Margaret have a son Leslie, born 1880 Windsor, who married Annie Melville GAMBRILL in 1916 in St Albans? Cheers Jan >I know a little about a Margaret Ann LAMB who married William JONES in 1864 >at Sackville Reach. What sort of information are you looking for? >

I haven't Mary Ann but do have William Leslie LAMB. Married Edith BULLEN in 1912 in Sydney Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: <GandDFriend@aol.com> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:14 PM Subject: [H,H,HV] Lamb Does anybody have a connection with Mary Ann Lamb married William Jones? Regards Dawn ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Dawn, I know a little about a Margaret Ann LAMB who married William JONES in 1864 at Sackville Reach. What sort of information are you looking for? Regards, Coralie D. Hird cdhird@optusnet.com.au Researching SULLIVAN, ROSE, HEARNE, HOBBS, REILLY from Webb's Creek, Hawkesbury River NSW area ----- Original Message ----- From: <GandDFriend@aol.com> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:14 PM Subject: [H,H,HV] Lamb > Does anybody have a connection with > Mary Ann Lamb married William Jones? > Regards > Dawn

Does anybody have a connection with Mary Ann Lamb married William Jones? Regards Dawn