Robert Have you checked the Maitland Mercury Index. Sometimes famous people not just from the Hunter are mentioned in the paper, as it was the first and biggest provincial publication in the colony and covered events from PJ. Norfolk Is, Tasmania, South Coast, etc. I can have a look between 1843-46 when I am at history cottage next weekend. All the best ANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT TAYLOR <roberttaylor@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: [H,H,HV] Obituary for John and Elizabeth Grono > > I have been trying desperately to find an obituary or some kind of newspaper article in the Hawkesbury or Sydney newspapers for the death of John Grono, 4 May 1847 and Elizabeth Grono (nee Bristow) 4 July 1848 both deaths at Pitt Town. > > Thanks in advance. > > Robert > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have been trying desperately to find an obituary or some kind of newspaper article in the Hawkesbury or Sydney newspapers for the death of John Grono, 4 May 1847 and Elizabeth Grono (nee Bristow) 4 July 1848 both deaths at Pitt Town. Thanks in advance. Robert

Hi Is anyone else researching the above surname in Maitland. My particular interest is Michael WHITE b1816 Ireland d1863 Morpeth. Michael married Susan McDONALD (could be McDONNELL) in 1854 at East Maitland. Children were Christopher 'Thomas' WHITE b1856 at Maitland (my g grandfather) Agnes Bridget WHITE b1859 Morpeth d1876 Maitland Michael WHITE b1862 Morpeth (was still alive in 1935 - I am trying to find further information on him) Mary Jane WHITE b1864 East Maitland m Charles MYALL Anyone with connections? Would love to share and expand what I have Maria Central Coast, NSW Australia

Hi Bill, I live pretty close to Penrith so I might try there. Thanks for that. Regards, Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Shute" <bilshute@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] SMH ? > Dear Gordon, > You will find them at many big libraries. State Library have them, and all > other papers too, I know Penrith has them. > Sincerely, Bill > > > Would anyone know where I could look up death notices for the Sydney > Morning Herald for the period 1986 to 2000? > > Thanks, > > Gordon > > Sydney > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ooops .... The newspaper article stated that "The Hermitage" was built by de Clambe .... but this *may* be an error. Perhaps it may have been built by John ROGAN, of Rogans Hill. Can anyone clarify that ? Diane > He built a home - The Hermitage - on 100 acres granted to him in > 1802 ( No. 1042 Feb. 1st : Granted 100 acres in the district of > Dundas. Rent : 2 shillings per year commencing after 5 years. > "It being necessary to take off an angle for a public road by Mr. > DeClambe's consent of 14 acres - 28 acres were added at the > upper part of the farm. 11th May, 1804. P.G.K.")

Afternoon all ... on another steamy one ! A snippet from the local paper (Hills Shire Tiimes) this week advises that a local historian (Bede Ireland Jnr.) believes that he has located the grave of one of Castle Hill's earliest and colourful characters - Chevalier Verincourt de Clambe. If forensic archaeologists can identify it as being de Clambe's, it will be a significent local discovery. Buried under about 3 metres of earth, the location is in an area that once formed part of the Government Farm. A portion of the old farm site has been earmarked for a Heritage Park, but the grave is currently outside that area. While Mr. Ireland has no doubt that the brick lined vault suggests the grave is that of a person of social standing, only time will tell if it is that of the French Count. He is now working with the Heritage Council to try and have the grave site listed. de Clambe, a French loyalist, was born c. 1760 and after fleeing France went to England before coming to Australia in 1801. He built a home - The Hermitage - on 100 acres granted to him in 1802 ( No. 1042 Feb. 1st : Granted 100 acres in the district of Dundas. Rent : 2 shillings per year commencing after 5 years. "It being necessary to take off an angle for a public road by Mr. DeClambe's consent of 14 acres - 28 acres were added at the upper part of the farm. 11th May, 1804. P.G.K.") A documentary about the Government Farm site and de Clambe's tomb (if indeed it is his!) is currently "in the pipeline". Research for a book, as well, is currently underway. Given that the Bi-Centenary of the 1804 Castle Hill uprising will occur next year, both the documentary and book may be a fitting way to commemorate the auspicious occasion. Visitors from Ireland are also expected to take part in the celebrations. A report on de Clambe's death appears in the Sydney Gazette, June 10, 1804. The article mentions that he had frequently expressed a desire to be buried among his coffee trees, on the farm. It will be interesting to see, over the coming months, if it can be proved, beyond reasonable doubt, that the grave is indeed that of de Clambe. Also, speaking of the Sydney Gazette ... Notice of the upcoming Bicentenary of newspaper publishing in Australia, with George HOWE and the Sydney Gazette (1803). The celebrations begin on Friday, March 7th, and continue over 3 days. On Sunday, March 9th, a new memorial will be dedicated to mark Geoge HOWE's resting place. Further details can be obtained by emailing Joy Jorgenson on joy@ihug.com.au Have a great weekend everyone ! Diane

Hello Helen I would suggest a look at Boyle's Lower Hunter Index. If that fails do a search of the on-ine catalogues for both the University of Newcastle Library and the Newcastle Regional Library (Local History). Ann -----Original Message----- From: Helen Dickinson [mailto:hjayd@myplace.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2003 11:08 PM To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [H,H,HV] Query re: A.O. Foresters Lodge Maitland 1878 - 1908 My great grandfather, James William BARDEN was a trustee of the A.O. Foresters Lodge for 30 years in Maitland, until his death there on 9 May 1908. Can sks explain what the "A.O. Foresters Lodge" was/is and where I can find out more about it and obtain records. tia Helen ______________________________

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Dear Gordon, You will find them at many big libraries. State Library have them, and all other papers too, I know Penrith has them. Sincerely, Bill > Would anyone know where I could look up death notices for the Sydney Morning Herald for the period 1986 to 2000? > Thanks, > Gordon > Sydney

Thanks Bill, I have spoken to Mal. Regards ANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Shute <bilshute@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [H,H,HV] Mystery > Dear Anne, > I think I saw BUTTERS in the Hawkesbury Pioneer Register. > Mal BUTTERS from the GOSFORD area is a researcher of that name. > Sincerely, > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anne marie mobbs" <asnedden@bigpond.com> > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > Still researching my Ancel family, but have been sent a new name of which > I find > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Many thanks Gwen ANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: GF & GM Dundon <gdundon@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: [H,H,HV] BUTTER or BUTTERS > Re the enquiry re the name BUTTER: I believe a man named BUTTERS was > licensee of the Hawkesbury River Hotel at Brooklyn at some stage. I > remember seeing an old postcard with that name painted on the outside of the > hotel, which later became the Anglers Rest Hotel. Sorry, I can't find the > reference now, but think it was probably around the 1920s, but could be > wrong about the date. > > Best wishes, > Gwen > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello again every one. I have been asking questions about the Butter family of late at Windsor, and it has been brought to my attention, that in the publication "Early Days of Windsor" by James Steel, on the town map dated circa 1835, portion 56 it reads "Butter from Baylis". Hope this is of help to someone. Best wishes ANNE

Hi Gordon, Try http://members.ozemail.com.au/~johngrah/dps.html and then the Ryerson Index in the left column. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Kelly" <gorkell@optusnet.com.au> Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:52 pm Subject: [H,H,HV] SMH ? > Hi, > Would anyone know where I could look up death notices for the > Sydney Morning Herald for the period 1986 to 2000? > Thanks, > > Gordon > Sydney > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, Would anyone know where I could look up death notices for the Sydney Morning Herald for the period 1986 to 2000? Thanks, Gordon Sydney

Hello Anne, Thank you for that information. Do you know of anyone willing to do a lookup for me? Sue.

Hello Anne, Try http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VAL LEY.html then archives search. Sue

Re the enquiry re the name BUTTER: I believe a man named BUTTERS was licensee of the Hawkesbury River Hotel at Brooklyn at some stage. I remember seeing an old postcard with that name painted on the outside of the hotel, which later became the Anglers Rest Hotel. Sorry, I can't find the reference now, but think it was probably around the 1920s, but could be wrong about the date. Best wishes, Gwen

Dear Anne, I think I saw BUTTERS in the Hawkesbury Pioneer Register. Mal BUTTERS from the GOSFORD area is a researcher of that name. Sincerely, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "anne marie mobbs" <asnedden@bigpond.com> > Hello Everyone, > > Still researching my Ancel family, but have been sent a new name of which I find

Dear Anne Marie, Had a look in some of the newspaper indexes for BUTTER but no luck. There are many by the name of BUTTSWORTH. Would this be a possibility ? Some of this family moved to the Manning Valley. There are also RUTTER and SUTTER names. Best wishes, Rod & Wendy Gow anne marie mobbs wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Still researching my Ancel family, but have been sent a new name of which I find no mention in the Hawkesbury Pioneer Registers. Was there a family called Butter at Windsor, and if so is there anything known about them. > > Best wishes > > ANNE > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello all, I am having a seniors moment - cant remember how to get into the list archives - need some help. Best wishes ANNE