Michelle, To nit-pick, I remember voting in the 1967 referendum and what it did was allow indigenous people to be counted in the Commonwealth Census - their right to vote had already been established, albeit over time and in a pretty haphazard fashion. The story can be found on the Australian Electoral Commission's site at www.aec.gov.au/_content/when/history/ab_time.htm Cheers, Neil Cammack Canberra -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2006 7:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 1, Issue 55 Today's Topics: 1. Lake Macquarie family history society (lynnette brown) 2. Electoral Rolls (Michelle Nichols) 3. Re: Lake Macquarie family history society (H Dickinson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:58:05 +1100 From: "lynnette brown" <[email protected]> Subject: [HHHV] Lake Macquarie family history society To: "AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKE" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All I have been trying to contact the above society, their web site is not responding and I have been unable to find a phone contact. Does anyone have a contact number or address for them? Thanks Lynne Central Coast, NSW Australia ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:38:38 +1100 From: "Michelle Nichols" <[email protected]> Subject: [HHHV] Electoral Rolls To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Electoral Rolls...more info for listers. In NSW the Legislative Council was established in 1823 and the Representative Government in 1842. Responsible Government commenced in NSW in 1856. The Upper House were nominated for life whilst the Lower House were chosen at an election. Originally persons were eligible to vote depending on property he owned. In 1858, voting franchise included all adult males, British citizens and citizens naturalised for more than five years. A voter was entitled to vote in each electorate in which he owned property; this was abolished in 1893. In 1902, women were given the vote and in 1967 a referendum succeeded in giving aborigines the right to vote. The earliest electoral rolls held by the State Records NSW cover the period 1842 - 1864. For more information check out the State Records guide on Electoral rolls at http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/guides/short_guide_1_electoral_rolls_9417.asp Michelle Nichols ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:23:35 +1100 From: "H Dickinson" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HHHV] Lake Macquarie family history society To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Lynne, Contact [email protected]@hl.com.au or by phone 4959 5403 or PO Box 3046 Teralba NSW 2284 Good luck Helen On 06/12/06, lynnette brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi All > > I have been trying to contact the above society, their web site is not > responding and I have been unable to find a phone contact. > > Does anyone have a contact number or address for them? > > Thanks > > Lynne > Central Coast, NSW > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY Digest, Vol 1, Issue 55 *********************************************************************

Hello Terry, A Google search found a very good description of the property "Wingarra" in the Bylong Valley. Details at - http://www.virtualformguide.com/cgi-bin/tvf/displaynewsitem.pl?20061012slipper producing.txt Cheers Marje > Hi List, > Can any one assist with information regarding property "Wingarra' Bylong > area c .1865 > > Terry

Hi Lynne Check out http://www.lakemac.com.au/CityFacilities/comdir_sresults.asp Lists the contact details for Lake Macquarie Family History Society and Newcastle Family History Society. This is the Lake Macquarie Council website. Regards, Jan Blue Mountains ----- Original Message ----- From: "lynnette brown" <[email protected]> To: "AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKE" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: [HHHV] Lake Macquarie family history society > Hi All > > I have been trying to contact the above society, their web site is not > responding and I have been unable to find a phone contact. > > Does anyone have a contact number or address for them? > > Thanks > > Lynne > Central Coast, NSW > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 >

Hi Lynne Don't have a phone number, but these details may help The Secretary is Robert Eldridge And his Email address is [email protected] The mailing address is PO Box 3046 Teralba NSW 2284 Regards Keith Skinner -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lynnette brown Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2006 1:58 PM To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKE Subject: [HHHV] Lake Macquarie family history society Hi All I have been trying to contact the above society, their web site is not responding and I have been unable to find a phone contact. Does anyone have a contact number or address for them? Thanks Lynne Central Coast, NSW Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTE[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynne The Secretary Lake Macquarie Family History Group Inc P.O. Box 3046 TERALBA NSW 2284 [email protected] MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hi Lynne, Contact [email protected]@hl.com.au or by phone 4959 5403 or PO Box 3046 Teralba NSW 2284 Good luck Helen On 06/12/06, lynnette brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi All > > I have been trying to contact the above society, their web site is not > responding and I have been unable to find a phone contact. > > Does anyone have a contact number or address for them? > > Thanks > > Lynne > Central Coast, NSW > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Electoral Rolls...more info for listers. In NSW the Legislative Council was established in 1823 and the Representative Government in 1842. Responsible Government commenced in NSW in 1856. The Upper House were nominated for life whilst the Lower House were chosen at an election. Originally persons were eligible to vote depending on property he owned. In 1858, voting franchise included all adult males, British citizens and citizens naturalised for more than five years. A voter was entitled to vote in each electorate in which he owned property; this was abolished in 1893. In 1902, women were given the vote and in 1967 a referendum succeeded in giving aborigines the right to vote. The earliest electoral rolls held by the State Records NSW cover the period 1842 - 1864. For more information check out the State Records guide on Electoral rolls at http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/guides/short_guide_1_electoral_rolls_9417.asp Michelle Nichols

Hi All I have been trying to contact the above society, their web site is not responding and I have been unable to find a phone contact. Does anyone have a contact number or address for them? Thanks Lynne Central Coast, NSW Australia

Hi Gary, Thanks for this very informative reply. Also, your William WEST is listed on my new Hawkesbury Landholders Vol 2a Richmond Windsor, Mulgrave Place & Beyond CD released yesterday. Please contact me OFF LIST if you would like for more details. Kind rgards Helen On 04/12/06, Garry & Sandra Sanders <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi List > > Re: The question about electoral rolls. > > Electoral rolls can basically be split into three periods for NSW. > > The first commenced in 1859-60 (there are earlier rolls but very poor and > very scattered in nature) but from this time to 1899-1900, the rolls are in > good order and basically intact, however very time-consuming, but if your > ancestors stayed in one place can be quite good information. There were 62 > microfilms (State Library) in this group. These were electoral rolls for NSW > only and covered 28 time periods. Only males are mentioned.The first rolls > in 1859-60 only listed Name, Residence, qualification and where situated. In > 1894 Occupation is added. For instance in the 1882-83 electoral rolls there > are about 72 electorates covering NSW. (i can provide the names of the > electorates for this year only if anyone is interested and also the years & > numbers covered by the 62 microfilms. (The State Library may have updated > this since 2000). However names of electorates change and move - as they > still do today. In fact someone before 1893 could appear on two different > electorate rolls! > because of plural voting. > > Eg in 1870-71 under the electorate of Windsor (my ancestor) William West > is listed as: > Number 616 Name: West, William Residence: Windsor, Qualification: > household, Where situated: George Street, Windsor. > > The second group of electoral rolls cover the period from 1903 to 1928 - > and cover the years 1903, 1906, 1908, 1909, 1913, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1919, > 1921, 1922, 1925, 1926 and 1928. These are the first rolls to include > females. Details include Surname, Name, Sex, place of living and occupation. > Address details are much better than the earlier NSW rolls. > > eg in 1903 under the electorate of Parramatta, Polling place: Windsor (my > ancestor was listed as) > Number: 1327, surname: West, Name: Eliza, Sex F, Place of living: George > Street, Occupation: Domestic Duties > > The third group of rolls start from 1929 to current date and come under > the title of Commonwealth electorate rolls. Information is surname, name, > place of living, occupation and sex. > > Electorates moving around and changing names is the hardest thing to > follow - Windsor for instance has been in the electorates of Hawkesbury, > Windsor, The Hawkesbury and Parramatta and thats just between 1859-60 and > 1908. > > Electoral rolls can be a good compensation for the lack of census reports > in this country, if you have the time and patience to research them. > > Hope this helps > Garry Sanders > Kariong, NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Robert These were called property rolls rather than electoral rolls, so yes there are rolls with people's names on them prior to our first parliament - but they were only for property owners not those who have reached voting age aka 21 which is what the electoral rolls cover and what Jude was asking for. That is why I included the State Archives info which mentions these other rolls and the hawkesbury net site for lists. As I was no doubt Jude would be interested in any resource to help trace her folks and not just those voting for parliament. On 4 Dec 2006 at 10:40, Robert Heal wrote: > [email protected] wrote: > > Hi Jude > > > > The NSW first parliament started in 1855, so no rolls before then... > > > > > > Actually I am not sure if that is correct. There were some elections > for district councils and town councils during the 1840's and 1850's. > I think you had to own property to vote but they most probably had > some kind of roll of eligible voters for those elections even if > local. > > I have images of pages from 1840's newspapers which refer to these > elections. > > regards > Robert BFN OOROO Michelle ============== http://au.geocities.com/patientgenie/

Hi all It was just the late 1890's that have duplicate entries. If you look at the fische for the 1940's and 50's you will find that when people moved, they not only had the new address but the old one as well. I was searching for 2 of my mother's cousins only to find that in their 60's, they were still being shown as living with their parents and were still students Cheers Heather >From: "Garry & Sandra Sanders" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: "HHHV List" <[email protected]> >Subject: [HHHV] electoral rolls NSW >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:21:21 +1100 > >Hi List > >Re: The question about electoral rolls. > >Electoral rolls can basically be split into three periods for NSW. > >The first commenced in 1859-60 (there are earlier rolls but very poor and >very scattered in nature) but from this time to 1899-1900, the rolls are in >good order and basically intact, however very time-consuming, but if your >ancestors stayed in one place can be quite good information. There were 62 >microfilms (State Library) in this group. These were electoral rolls for >NSW only and covered 28 time periods. Only males are mentioned.The first >rolls in 1859-60 only listed Name, Residence, qualification and where >situated. In 1894 Occupation is added. For instance in the 1882-83 >electoral rolls there are about 72 electorates covering NSW. (i can provide >the names of the electorates for this year only if anyone is interested and >also the years & numbers covered by the 62 microfilms. (The State Library >may have updated this since 2000). However names of electorates change and >move - as they still do today. In fact someone before 1893 could appear on >two different electorate rolls! > because of plural voting. > >Eg in 1870-71 under the electorate of Windsor (my ancestor) William West is >listed as: >Number 616 Name: West, William Residence: Windsor, Qualification: >household, Where situated: George Street, Windsor. > >The second group of electoral rolls cover the period from 1903 to 1928 - >and cover the years 1903, 1906, 1908, 1909, 1913, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1919, >1921, 1922, 1925, 1926 and 1928. These are the first rolls to include >females. Details include Surname, Name, Sex, place of living and >occupation. Address details are much better than the earlier NSW rolls. > >eg in 1903 under the electorate of Parramatta, Polling place: Windsor (my >ancestor was listed as) >Number: 1327, surname: West, Name: Eliza, Sex F, Place of living: George >Street, Occupation: Domestic Duties > >The third group of rolls start from 1929 to current date and come under the >title of Commonwealth electorate rolls. Information is surname, name, place >of living, occupation and sex. > >Electorates moving around and changing names is the hardest thing to follow >- Windsor for instance has been in the electorates of Hawkesbury, Windsor, >The Hawkesbury and Parramatta and thats just between 1859-60 and 1908. > >Electoral rolls can be a good compensation for the lack of census reports >in this country, if you have the time and patience to research them. > >Hope this helps >Garry Sanders >Kariong, NSW > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588&_t=757768878&_r=endtext_simple&_m=EXT

Hi Terry. Thanks for your reply. The names that I am interested in are from the Hunter region - Sparke - Galbraith Thank you for your time. Regards Lyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] electoral rolls NSW > Hi Lyn, > > I copied mine from a friend long time ago. Not sure where she got it from. > What names are you interested in? > > Terry > > More Information may be available at > > > home.pacific.net.au/~tandd > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hi Lyn, I copied mine from a friend long time ago. Not sure where she got it from. What names are you interested in? Terry More Information may be available at home.pacific.net.au/~tandd

Hi Terry, Could you tell me how I could obtain a copy of the Roll of Electors of Northumberland and Hunter for 1851/52 ? Thank you Lyn. from Windsor -------Original Message------- From: Terry Date: 12/05/06 10:04:37 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HHHV] electoral rolls NSW Hi, I have a copy of the 'Roll of Electors entitled to vote For The United Counties of Northumberland and Hunter for the Year 1851 - 52'. It is in good condition and provides name, the nature of qualification to vote ( eg leasehold, freehold or dwelling house) and 'where the property affording qualification is situated'. The entries are arranged in alphabetical order of surname. Htioi Terry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have a copy of the 'Roll of Electors entitled to vote For The United Counties of Northumberland and Hunter for the Year 1851 - 52'. It is in good condition and provides name, the nature of qualification to vote ( eg leasehold, freehold or dwelling house) and 'where the property affording qualification is situated'. The entries are arranged in alphabetical order of surname. Htioi Terry

Hi List Re: The question about electoral rolls. Electoral rolls can basically be split into three periods for NSW. The first commenced in 1859-60 (there are earlier rolls but very poor and very scattered in nature) but from this time to 1899-1900, the rolls are in good order and basically intact, however very time-consuming, but if your ancestors stayed in one place can be quite good information. There were 62 microfilms (State Library) in this group. These were electoral rolls for NSW only and covered 28 time periods. Only males are mentioned.The first rolls in 1859-60 only listed Name, Residence, qualification and where situated. In 1894 Occupation is added. For instance in the 1882-83 electoral rolls there are about 72 electorates covering NSW. (i can provide the names of the electorates for this year only if anyone is interested and also the years & numbers covered by the 62 microfilms. (The State Library may have updated this since 2000). However names of electorates change and move - as they still do today. In fact someone before 1893 could appear on two different electorate rolls because of plural voting. Eg in 1870-71 under the electorate of Windsor (my ancestor) William West is listed as: Number 616 Name: West, William Residence: Windsor, Qualification: household, Where situated: George Street, Windsor. The second group of electoral rolls cover the period from 1903 to 1928 - and cover the years 1903, 1906, 1908, 1909, 1913, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1919, 1921, 1922, 1925, 1926 and 1928. These are the first rolls to include females. Details include Surname, Name, Sex, place of living and occupation. Address details are much better than the earlier NSW rolls. eg in 1903 under the electorate of Parramatta, Polling place: Windsor (my ancestor was listed as) Number: 1327, surname: West, Name: Eliza, Sex F, Place of living: George Street, Occupation: Domestic Duties The third group of rolls start from 1929 to current date and come under the title of Commonwealth electorate rolls. Information is surname, name, place of living, occupation and sex. Electorates moving around and changing names is the hardest thing to follow - Windsor for instance has been in the electorates of Hawkesbury, Windsor, The Hawkesbury and Parramatta and thats just between 1859-60 and 1908. Electoral rolls can be a good compensation for the lack of census reports in this country, if you have the time and patience to research them. Hope this helps Garry Sanders Kariong, NSW

----- Original Message ----- From: "jude" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: [HHHV] electoral rolls , > can someone tell me please what is the availability of > electoral rolls, when they started and what info is on > them. I am of course referring to 1840's period and > later. Hi Judy in Tassy Nick VINE-HALL listed the availablity of electoral rolls for all States in the 1994 edition of his book 'Tracing Your Family Tree in Australia' Earliest roll is dated 1842 and can be found at State Records, Mitchell Library, SAG and the Qld FHS Am pretty sure we have a small set of fiche NSW E rolls for about 1844/5 at the NSW Central Coast FHS library ?? In looking for someone I have tended more towards using Post Office Directories . For Sydney these date from 1832 Electoral rolls before 1990 can be very hard to search as were indexed by electorates . 1990+ are a breeze as indexed by State Who/what were you looking for ?? Bye MargM Member of Central Coast Family History Society Gosford NSW

[email protected] wrote: > Hi Jude > > The NSW first parliament started in 1855, so no rolls before then... > Actually I am not sure if that is correct. There were some elections for district councils and town councils during the 1840's and 1850's. I think you had to own property to vote but they most probably had some kind of roll of eligible voters for those elections even if local. I have images of pages from 1840's newspapers which refer to these elections. regards Robert

Hi Jude The NSW first parliament started in 1855, so no rolls before then... I haven't looked back this far but there are scattered state rolls up to 1901, when the commonwealth rolls are the resource, the first one being available at the state library in Sydney is for 1903. I have looked in the 1880's and 1890's state rolls and the early commonwealth rolls and there are missing years and electorates in some periods. They are in electorate order, you need to have some idea of where the person you are looking for was living or you have to check every fiche.! I am sorry I cant remember when the commonwealth roll became alphabetical but it was only recently. State rolls pre 1900 in the Hawkesbury just have name and locality from memory, sometimes there was occupation, so hopefully the name you are looking for wasn't common. For more info check the NSW State Archives http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/ Archives in Brief 5 - Electoral rolls Also, have you checked the following lists? http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/lists/ On 3 Dec 2006 at 18:18, jude wrote: > Hi Listers, > can someone tell me please what is the availability of electoral > rolls, when they started and what info is on them. I am of course > referring to 1840's period and later. thanks judy in tassy BFN OOROO Michelle ============== http://au.geocities.com/patientgenie/

Hi Listers, can someone tell me please what is the availability of electoral rolls, when they started and what info is on them. I am of course referring to 1840's period and later. thanks judy in tassy