Hi Jean Yes, I found your messages on the old account, now I just need to transfer all the old stuff. Thank You MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargaretB" <mbergies@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Jurds - BRIDGE - CRAWFORD - FRENCH > Hi again Jean > > I can see the problem now that the message has come to the list. My email > address has changed. Original message address is incorrect, use the email > address from this message, while I check the old address. > > > MargaretB > Lake Macquarie > NSW Australia

Hi again Jean I can see the problem now that the message has come to the list. My email address has changed. Original message address is incorrect, use the email address from this message, while I check the old address. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hi Jean No, I haven't received anything further from you (that I can find ...:) I did find a death notice for Alma Susan CRAWFORD (BRIDGE) as follows > Death notice in the Sydney Morning Herald of 21 January 1974 Crawford, Alma Susannah - January 19, 1974 of 137 Pacific Highway Ourimbah.,beloved wife of the late Henry Leslie Crawford, loving mother and mother-in-law of Jean and the late Ray Robson, loved grandmother of Terry, Alan, Sandra, great grandmother of Paul, Michael and Marc. Aged 88 years. At rest. > Funeral notice same day. Held at St Peters C of E Pacific Highway Ourimbah tomorrow (Tuesday) at 2,30 and then on to Lisarow C of E Cemetery. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean May Hegarty" <jeanmay@bluemaxx.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Jurds - BRIDGE - CRAWFORD - FRENCH > Hi Margaret > > I'm having another clean up and am wondering if I replied to this one? Let > me know! > Jean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MargaretB" <mbergies@kooee.com.au> > To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [HHHV] Jurds - BRIDGE - CRAWFORD - FRENCH > > >> Hi again Jean >> >> You must be having a cleanup ..: ) >> >> Your next post is about CRAWFORD, I have checked my data and have both >> CRAWFORD and BRIDGE. >> >> Would the BRIDGE-CRAWFORD connection be Alma Susan BRIDGE (1885-1974) m: >> 1911 Wollombi to Henry L CRAWFORD. I have no further information on Henry >> L >> CRAWFORD can you help ?? >> >> I also have a Margaret CRAWFORD m: 1906 Wellington to [1st Cousin 3 x >> removed] Arthur James FRENCH (1817-1914) son of Daniel FRENCH and Emma >> Jane >> PIPER. Is there a relationship between the two CRAWFORDs ?? >> >> MargaretB >> Lake Macquarie >> NSW Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean May Hegarty" <jeanmay@bluemaxx.com.au> >> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:28 AM >> Subject: [HHHV] Jurds

Thanks Marilyn, I will take a look. Stephanie -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Long Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:09 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Stephanie, yes. Sometimes it is tricky finding things on ancestry.com but under Australian databases is one for Convicts Application to Marry. I'm sorry if I am referring to something different to what was being discussed - read it too quickly!! Regards, Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Friday, 24 July 2009 9:00 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Marilyn, Are you referring to the convict applications to marry? Regards, Stephanie -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Long Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:54 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton I believe this is also on ancestry.com if you can access it. I'm not sure how good it is compared to information at State Records. Staff are very helpful there to find things. Regards, Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 5:28 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, I might go to State Records on Sat. so will have a look; is it to be found on 'Registers of convict' applications to marry, 20 Dec 1825 - 26 Feb 1851' NRS12212? It would help if I knew where to find it without the usual struggle. Many thanks for your help. Regards, Stephanie. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:03 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Stephanie I transcribed the applications to marry so you will find this application was denied on the 20 September 1843, when checking the fiche. At this stage James Taylor was free after having been convicted at Middlesex in 1834 and arriving the same year and given a 7 year sentence. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:21 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, Thank you for that information; I did not know that she applied to marry James Taylor. Her TL was altered to Windsor in 1844, there is a note on the 42/2681 document re this, apparently she also lodged a petition but I have not been able to find this as it seems that it has not survived. In 1847 she obtained a PP to travel between Windsor and Mudgee #47/566 there is a note on this also which says that she was to accompany her husband in his service of R Fitzgerald: it does not name her husband. Can you give me any further information on James Taylor per Roslin Castle, was he from Lincolnshire? Also where did you find the application to marry? So that I can check this myself, I have done a lot of research on this woman trying to ascertain wether or not she is my ancestor Mary Hanley/Hanly. I am trying to find a marriage between her and a man Richard Francis per Larkins 1817 who interestingly was tried and convicted in Lincs.with an accomplice James Taylor [Little Jemmie]. Later R Francis was tried and convicted of perjury in Windsor in 1834; he escaped from Windsor jail and disappeared from his life, marriage, family and all. I am trying to ascertain if he is also my ancestor: R Francis and M Hanley are the parents of my G.G.Grandma Julia Francis born 1845 and baptised somewhere out near Dabee in 1848. There is another daughter Catherine Francis born 1843 place unknown and baptised 1844 in Windsor. Any help will be gratefully accepted as I am starting to think that I will never be able to solve this identity problem. Regards, Stephanie. ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stephanie, yes. Sometimes it is tricky finding things on ancestry.com but under Australian databases is one for Convicts Application to Marry. I'm sorry if I am referring to something different to what was being discussed - read it too quickly!! Regards, Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Friday, 24 July 2009 9:00 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Marilyn, Are you referring to the convict applications to marry? Regards, Stephanie -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Long Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:54 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton I believe this is also on ancestry.com if you can access it. I'm not sure how good it is compared to information at State Records. Staff are very helpful there to find things. Regards, Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 5:28 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, I might go to State Records on Sat. so will have a look; is it to be found on 'Registers of convict' applications to marry, 20 Dec 1825 - 26 Feb 1851' NRS12212? It would help if I knew where to find it without the usual struggle. Many thanks for your help. Regards, Stephanie. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:03 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Stephanie I transcribed the applications to marry so you will find this application was denied on the 20 September 1843, when checking the fiche. At this stage James Taylor was free after having been convicted at Middlesex in 1834 and arriving the same year and given a 7 year sentence. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:21 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, Thank you for that information; I did not know that she applied to marry James Taylor. Her TL was altered to Windsor in 1844, there is a note on the 42/2681 document re this, apparently she also lodged a petition but I have not been able to find this as it seems that it has not survived. In 1847 she obtained a PP to travel between Windsor and Mudgee #47/566 there is a note on this also which says that she was to accompany her husband in his service of R Fitzgerald: it does not name her husband. Can you give me any further information on James Taylor per Roslin Castle, was he from Lincolnshire? Also where did you find the application to marry? So that I can check this myself, I have done a lot of research on this woman trying to ascertain wether or not she is my ancestor Mary Hanley/Hanly. I am trying to find a marriage between her and a man Richard Francis per Larkins 1817 who interestingly was tried and convicted in Lincs.with an accomplice James Taylor [Little Jemmie]. Later R Francis was tried and convicted of perjury in Windsor in 1834; he escaped from Windsor jail and disappeared from his life, marriage, family and all. I am trying to ascertain if he is also my ancestor: R Francis and M Hanley are the parents of my G.G.Grandma Julia Francis born 1845 and baptised somewhere out near Dabee in 1848. There is another daughter Catherine Francis born 1843 place unknown and baptised 1844 in Windsor. Any help will be gratefully accepted as I am starting to think that I will never be able to solve this identity problem. Regards, Stephanie. ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marilyn, Are you referring to the convict applications to marry? Regards, Stephanie -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Long Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:54 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton I believe this is also on ancestry.com if you can access it. I'm not sure how good it is compared to information at State Records. Staff are very helpful there to find things. Regards, Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 5:28 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, I might go to State Records on Sat. so will have a look; is it to be found on 'Registers of convict' applications to marry, 20 Dec 1825 - 26 Feb 1851' NRS12212? It would help if I knew where to find it without the usual struggle. Many thanks for your help. Regards, Stephanie. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:03 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Stephanie I transcribed the applications to marry so you will find this application was denied on the 20 September 1843, when checking the fiche. At this stage James Taylor was free after having been convicted at Middlesex in 1834 and arriving the same year and given a 7 year sentence. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:21 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, Thank you for that information; I did not know that she applied to marry James Taylor. Her TL was altered to Windsor in 1844, there is a note on the 42/2681 document re this, apparently she also lodged a petition but I have not been able to find this as it seems that it has not survived. In 1847 she obtained a PP to travel between Windsor and Mudgee #47/566 there is a note on this also which says that she was to accompany her husband in his service of R Fitzgerald: it does not name her husband. Can you give me any further information on James Taylor per Roslin Castle, was he from Lincolnshire? Also where did you find the application to marry? So that I can check this myself, I have done a lot of research on this woman trying to ascertain wether or not she is my ancestor Mary Hanley/Hanly. I am trying to find a marriage between her and a man Richard Francis per Larkins 1817 who interestingly was tried and convicted in Lincs.with an accomplice James Taylor [Little Jemmie]. Later R Francis was tried and convicted of perjury in Windsor in 1834; he escaped from Windsor jail and disappeared from his life, marriage, family and all. I am trying to ascertain if he is also my ancestor: R Francis and M Hanley are the parents of my G.G.Grandma Julia Francis born 1845 and baptised somewhere out near Dabee in 1848. There is another daughter Catherine Francis born 1843 place unknown and baptised 1844 in Windsor. Any help will be gratefully accepted as I am starting to think that I will never be able to solve this identity problem. Regards, Stephanie. ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe this is also on ancestry.com if you can access it. I'm not sure how good it is compared to information at State Records. Staff are very helpful there to find things. Regards, Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 5:28 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, I might go to State Records on Sat. so will have a look; is it to be found on 'Registers of convict' applications to marry, 20 Dec 1825 - 26 Feb 1851' NRS12212? It would help if I knew where to find it without the usual struggle. Many thanks for your help. Regards, Stephanie. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:03 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Stephanie I transcribed the applications to marry so you will find this application was denied on the 20 September 1843, when checking the fiche. At this stage James Taylor was free after having been convicted at Middlesex in 1834 and arriving the same year and given a 7 year sentence. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:21 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, Thank you for that information; I did not know that she applied to marry James Taylor. Her TL was altered to Windsor in 1844, there is a note on the 42/2681 document re this, apparently she also lodged a petition but I have not been able to find this as it seems that it has not survived. In 1847 she obtained a PP to travel between Windsor and Mudgee #47/566 there is a note on this also which says that she was to accompany her husband in his service of R Fitzgerald: it does not name her husband. Can you give me any further information on James Taylor per Roslin Castle, was he from Lincolnshire? Also where did you find the application to marry? So that I can check this myself, I have done a lot of research on this woman trying to ascertain wether or not she is my ancestor Mary Hanley/Hanly. I am trying to find a marriage between her and a man Richard Francis per Larkins 1817 who interestingly was tried and convicted in Lincs.with an accomplice James Taylor [Little Jemmie]. Later R Francis was tried and convicted of perjury in Windsor in 1834; he escaped from Windsor jail and disappeared from his life, marriage, family and all. I am trying to ascertain if he is also my ancestor: R Francis and M Hanley are the parents of my G.G.Grandma Julia Francis born 1845 and baptised somewhere out near Dabee in 1848. There is another daughter Catherine Francis born 1843 place unknown and baptised 1844 in Windsor. Any help will be gratefully accepted as I am starting to think that I will never be able to solve this identity problem. Regards, Stephanie. ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Stephanie You will probably find it on fiche No. 802. Index to refusals September 1842 to December 1850. They are in date order. Her name is spelt Henly. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:28 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, I might go to State Records on Sat. so will have a look; is it to be found on 'Registers of convict' applications to marry, 20 Dec 1825 - 26 Feb 1851' NRS12212? It would help if I knew where to find it without the usual struggle. Many thanks for your help. Regards, Stephanie.

Hi Lesley, I might go to State Records on Sat. so will have a look; is it to be found on 'Registers of convict' applications to marry, 20 Dec 1825 - 26 Feb 1851' NRS12212? It would help if I knew where to find it without the usual struggle. Many thanks for your help. Regards, Stephanie. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:03 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Stephanie I transcribed the applications to marry so you will find this application was denied on the 20 September 1843, when checking the fiche. At this stage James Taylor was free after having been convicted at Middlesex in 1834 and arriving the same year and given a 7 year sentence. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:21 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, Thank you for that information; I did not know that she applied to marry James Taylor. Her TL was altered to Windsor in 1844, there is a note on the 42/2681 document re this, apparently she also lodged a petition but I have not been able to find this as it seems that it has not survived. In 1847 she obtained a PP to travel between Windsor and Mudgee #47/566 there is a note on this also which says that she was to accompany her husband in his service of R Fitzgerald: it does not name her husband. Can you give me any further information on James Taylor per Roslin Castle, was he from Lincolnshire? Also where did you find the application to marry? So that I can check this myself, I have done a lot of research on this woman trying to ascertain wether or not she is my ancestor Mary Hanley/Hanly. I am trying to find a marriage between her and a man Richard Francis per Larkins 1817 who interestingly was tried and convicted in Lincs.with an accomplice James Taylor [Little Jemmie]. Later R Francis was tried and convicted of perjury in Windsor in 1834; he escaped from Windsor jail and disappeared from his life, marriage, family and all. I am trying to ascertain if he is also my ancestor: R Francis and M Hanley are the parents of my G.G.Grandma Julia Francis born 1845 and baptised somewhere out near Dabee in 1848. There is another daughter Catherine Francis born 1843 place unknown and baptised 1844 in Windsor. Any help will be gratefully accepted as I am starting to think that I will never be able to solve this identity problem. Regards, Stephanie. ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Stephanie, I found your email interesting as I descend from Richard Francis per Larkins who married Sarah Chapman 1 Dec 1818. General Muster List of New South Wales 1823, 1824, 1825 21440 Richard Francis Ticket of Leave Larkins 1817 14 Labourer Sydney William 8, Sarah 6, Eliza 5, John 3 were recorded as the children of Robert Francis. 15462 Chapman, Sarah FS Nile 1801 7 Housekeeper Sydney It may explain why I have not been able to find a death registered for him. Eusebeia Sutherland On 23/07/2009, at 11:21 AM, stephanie bull wrote: > Hi Lesley, > Thank you for that information; I did not know that she applied to > marry > James Taylor. Her TL was altered to Windsor in 1844, there is a > note on the > 42/2681 document re this, apparently she also lodged a petition but > I have > not been able to find this as it seems that it has not survived. In > 1847 she > obtained a PP to travel between Windsor and Mudgee #47/566 there is > a note > on this also which says that she was to accompany her husband in > his service > of R Fitzgerald: it does not name her husband. > Can you give me any further information on James Taylor per Roslin > Castle, > was he from Lincolnshire? Also where did you find the application > to marry? > So that I can check this myself, I have done a lot of research on > this woman > trying to ascertain wether or not she is my ancestor Mary Hanley/ > Hanly. I am > trying to find a marriage between her and a man Richard Francis per > Larkins > 1817 who interestingly was tried and convicted in Lincs.with an > accomplice > James Taylor [Little Jemmie]. Later R Francis was tried and > convicted of > perjury in Windsor in 1834; he escaped from Windsor jail and > disappeared > from his life, marriage, family and all. I am trying to ascertain > if he is > also my ancestor: R Francis and M Hanley are the parents of my > G.G.Grandma > Julia Francis born 1845 and baptised somewhere out near Dabee in > 1848. There > is another daughter Catherine Francis born 1843 place unknown and > baptised > 1844 in Windsor. Any help will be gratefully accepted as I am > starting to > think that I will never be able to solve this identity problem. > Regards, > Stephanie. > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Lesley Uebel > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:57 AM > To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton > > Hi Stephanie, > > Mary Henly (Henley) also applied to marry James Taylor (convict per > Roslin > Castle) in late 1843 in the Illawarra. Permission was not granted, the > reason > given that the death of William Milverton had not been recorded. > > You did say that Mary received a TOL in 1842 for the Illawarra > district but > returned to Windsor in 1844. Did she obtain another TOL for that > district? > I > cannot find a new TOL or a Passport - but perhaps there may be > something on > the > TOL No. 42/2681. > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of stephanie bull > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:47 PM > To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton > > > Hi Listers, > > Has anyone information re a marriage in 1839 [erroneously recorded by > registry of BDM's as 1829] between 2 convicts; Mary Henley arrived > 1829 per > 'Lucy Davidson' and William Milverton [Mulverton, Milverson etc] > arrived > 1828 per 'Phoenix'; at Penrith in November 1839 after 3 > applications to the > Governor. They both had a ticket of leave at the time and both lost > these in > 1841; he was sent to Port Macquarie and she was sent to the > Illawarra. Mary > received a new TL in 1842 in the Illawarra and returned to Windsor > in 1844, > was granted a Conditional Pardon 31/12/1847. William received a new > TL in > 1844 and returned to Penrith in 1846 and was granted a Conditional > Pardon in > 1849. I do not know if they were reunited. > > Mary was previously married to John Peters in 1831 and had at least 2 > daughters, Sarah and Eliza Peters. > > There is also a William Milverton per 'Norfolk' 1837 who married Eliza > Mathews in 1842, not to be confused with the party in question. > > Is there any information out there re these two individuals and > what became > of them? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with > the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS- > HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hi Stephanie I transcribed the applications to marry so you will find this application was denied on the 20 September 1843, when checking the fiche. At this stage James Taylor was free after having been convicted at Middlesex in 1834 and arriving the same year and given a 7 year sentence. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:21 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Lesley, Thank you for that information; I did not know that she applied to marry James Taylor. Her TL was altered to Windsor in 1844, there is a note on the 42/2681 document re this, apparently she also lodged a petition but I have not been able to find this as it seems that it has not survived. In 1847 she obtained a PP to travel between Windsor and Mudgee #47/566 there is a note on this also which says that she was to accompany her husband in his service of R Fitzgerald: it does not name her husband. Can you give me any further information on James Taylor per Roslin Castle, was he from Lincolnshire? Also where did you find the application to marry? So that I can check this myself, I have done a lot of research on this woman trying to ascertain wether or not she is my ancestor Mary Hanley/Hanly. I am trying to find a marriage between her and a man Richard Francis per Larkins 1817 who interestingly was tried and convicted in Lincs.with an accomplice James Taylor [Little Jemmie]. Later R Francis was tried and convicted of perjury in Windsor in 1834; he escaped from Windsor jail and disappeared from his life, marriage, family and all. I am trying to ascertain if he is also my ancestor: R Francis and M Hanley are the parents of my G.G.Grandma Julia Francis born 1845 and baptised somewhere out near Dabee in 1848. There is another daughter Catherine Francis born 1843 place unknown and baptised 1844 in Windsor. Any help will be gratefully accepted as I am starting to think that I will never be able to solve this identity problem. Regards, Stephanie. -----

Hi Lesley, Thank you for that information; I did not know that she applied to marry James Taylor. Her TL was altered to Windsor in 1844, there is a note on the 42/2681 document re this, apparently she also lodged a petition but I have not been able to find this as it seems that it has not survived. In 1847 she obtained a PP to travel between Windsor and Mudgee #47/566 there is a note on this also which says that she was to accompany her husband in his service of R Fitzgerald: it does not name her husband. Can you give me any further information on James Taylor per Roslin Castle, was he from Lincolnshire? Also where did you find the application to marry? So that I can check this myself, I have done a lot of research on this woman trying to ascertain wether or not she is my ancestor Mary Hanley/Hanly. I am trying to find a marriage between her and a man Richard Francis per Larkins 1817 who interestingly was tried and convicted in Lincs.with an accomplice James Taylor [Little Jemmie]. Later R Francis was tried and convicted of perjury in Windsor in 1834; he escaped from Windsor jail and disappeared from his life, marriage, family and all. I am trying to ascertain if he is also my ancestor: R Francis and M Hanley are the parents of my G.G.Grandma Julia Francis born 1845 and baptised somewhere out near Dabee in 1848. There is another daughter Catherine Francis born 1843 place unknown and baptised 1844 in Windsor. Any help will be gratefully accepted as I am starting to think that I will never be able to solve this identity problem. Regards, Stephanie. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:57 AM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Stephanie, Mary Henly (Henley) also applied to marry James Taylor (convict per Roslin Castle) in late 1843 in the Illawarra. Permission was not granted, the reason given that the death of William Milverton had not been recorded. You did say that Mary received a TOL in 1842 for the Illawarra district but returned to Windsor in 1844. Did she obtain another TOL for that district? I cannot find a new TOL or a Passport - but perhaps there may be something on the TOL No. 42/2681. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:47 PM To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Listers, Has anyone information re a marriage in 1839 [erroneously recorded by registry of BDM's as 1829] between 2 convicts; Mary Henley arrived 1829 per 'Lucy Davidson' and William Milverton [Mulverton, Milverson etc] arrived 1828 per 'Phoenix'; at Penrith in November 1839 after 3 applications to the Governor. They both had a ticket of leave at the time and both lost these in 1841; he was sent to Port Macquarie and she was sent to the Illawarra. Mary received a new TL in 1842 in the Illawarra and returned to Windsor in 1844, was granted a Conditional Pardon 31/12/1847. William received a new TL in 1844 and returned to Penrith in 1846 and was granted a Conditional Pardon in 1849. I do not know if they were reunited. Mary was previously married to John Peters in 1831 and had at least 2 daughters, Sarah and Eliza Peters. There is also a William Milverton per 'Norfolk' 1837 who married Eliza Mathews in 1842, not to be confused with the party in question. Is there any information out there re these two individuals and what became of them? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Stephanie, Mary Henly (Henley) also applied to marry James Taylor (convict per Roslin Castle) in late 1843 in the Illawarra. Permission was not granted, the reason given that the death of William Milverton had not been recorded. You did say that Mary received a TOL in 1842 for the Illawarra district but returned to Windsor in 1844. Did she obtain another TOL for that district? I cannot find a new TOL or a Passport - but perhaps there may be something on the TOL No. 42/2681. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephanie bull Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:47 PM To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HHHV] re Henley and Milverton Hi Listers, Has anyone information re a marriage in 1839 [erroneously recorded by registry of BDM's as 1829] between 2 convicts; Mary Henley arrived 1829 per 'Lucy Davidson' and William Milverton [Mulverton, Milverson etc] arrived 1828 per 'Phoenix'; at Penrith in November 1839 after 3 applications to the Governor. They both had a ticket of leave at the time and both lost these in 1841; he was sent to Port Macquarie and she was sent to the Illawarra. Mary received a new TL in 1842 in the Illawarra and returned to Windsor in 1844, was granted a Conditional Pardon 31/12/1847. William received a new TL in 1844 and returned to Penrith in 1846 and was granted a Conditional Pardon in 1849. I do not know if they were reunited. Mary was previously married to John Peters in 1831 and had at least 2 daughters, Sarah and Eliza Peters. There is also a William Milverton per 'Norfolk' 1837 who married Eliza Mathews in 1842, not to be confused with the party in question. Is there any information out there re these two individuals and what became of them?

Hi Margaret I'm having another clean up and am wondering if I replied to this one? Let me know! Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargaretB" <mbergies@kooee.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [HHHV] Jurds - BRIDGE - CRAWFORD - FRENCH > Hi again Jean > > You must be having a cleanup ..: ) > > Your next post is about CRAWFORD, I have checked my data and have both > CRAWFORD and BRIDGE. > > Would the BRIDGE-CRAWFORD connection be Alma Susan BRIDGE (1885-1974) m: > 1911 Wollombi to Henry L CRAWFORD. I have no further information on Henry > L > CRAWFORD can you help ?? > > I also have a Margaret CRAWFORD m: 1906 Wellington to [1st Cousin 3 x > removed] Arthur James FRENCH (1817-1914) son of Daniel FRENCH and Emma > Jane > PIPER. Is there a relationship between the two CRAWFORDs ?? > > MargaretB > Lake Macquarie > NSW Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean May Hegarty" <jeanmay@bluemaxx.com.au> > To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:28 AM > Subject: [HHHV] Jurds > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: > 2/01/2008 11:29 AM > >

Hi Listers, Has anyone information re a marriage in 1839 [erroneously recorded by registry of BDM's as 1829] between 2 convicts; Mary Henley arrived 1829 per 'Lucy Davidson' and William Milverton [Mulverton, Milverson etc] arrived 1828 per 'Phoenix'; at Penrith in November 1839 after 3 applications to the Governor. They both had a ticket of leave at the time and both lost these in 1841; he was sent to Port Macquarie and she was sent to the Illawarra. Mary received a new TL in 1842 in the Illawarra and returned to Windsor in 1844, was granted a Conditional Pardon 31/12/1847. William received a new TL in 1844 and returned to Penrith in 1846 and was granted a Conditional Pardon in 1849. I do not know if they were reunited. Mary was previously married to John Peters in 1831 and had at least 2 daughters, Sarah and Eliza Peters. There is also a William Milverton per 'Norfolk' 1837 who married Eliza Mathews in 1842, not to be confused with the party in question. Is there any information out there re these two individuals and what became of them?

Good evening list, While gathering information to index from the SMH into www.ryersonindex.org I found the following:- 24 Aug 1882. Elizabeth TOWN died on 23 Aug 1882 at her residence NORTH RICHMOND, wife of John, aged 72 years. 28 Aug 1882. Henry E ROBERTS, 6th son of James ROBERTS, of Pitt Town Road, near WINDSOR died leaving a wife and three children, aged 27 years. 14 Sep 1882. Thomas COOK invited his friend to the funeral of his Mother commencing at a quarter to eight at Moncur Street WOOLLAHRA, then by mail train to. WINDSOR on Friday Morning. Walter STEWART. Chas ANDREWS published similar information as his Mother-in-Law. 14 Sep 1882. Robet PECK died at KURRAJONG HEIGHTS, aged 69. 23 Sep 1882. Michael COLLINS died on 14 Sep 1882 at RICHMOND. 27 Nov 1882. Susan HOPKINS, relict of William HOPKINS. Funeral to leave her residence in George Street WINDSOR to Church of England Cemetery 3pm this afternoon. Sincerely,Bill

Good afternoon list, Gathering information to index SMH August, 1882 for www.ryersonindex.org I found the following:- 5 Aug 1882. John BENNETT died at his residence, Port Headland, Hawkesbury River in his 78th year. 11 Aug 1882. Rebecca BALL died at her residence, Kurrajong, aged 78. Sincerely, Bill

Hello Michelle I agree with Jan Koperberg. I have found quite a few juicy titbits thanks to you. What do you know about Sarah Hand as she has had quite a past with my Percy Reynolds, not a lot of love lost between them. She accused Percy of killing a cow and dumping it in a swamp. She claimed she could see him from almost half a mile at midnight in the middle of winter. I wish I had her eyesight. Cheers Heather _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a new car this winter? Let us help with car news, reviews and more http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

Thanks for putting these up. I have a convict ancestor who worked for the Everinghams. All the stories are most entertaining. Jan N. E. Victoria -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Nichols Sent: Friday, 17 July 2009 10:55 PM To: aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com Subject: [HHHV] A few bits and pieces Listers might be interested in the following bits of news from the "Cumberland Mercury" newspaper in 1879 relating to the Hawkesbury...Michelle Nichols Accident"An accident occurred in George Street Windsor, this week, wherein a collision took place between Mr Arthur Bowman and Matthew Everingham of Clarendon. Bowman was on horseback and Everingham in a spring cart, it was dark when the collision took place when the horse Bowman was riding was killed and Everingham thrown out of his cart and seriously injured on the left side, but I am pleased to state that under the treatment of Dr McPhee, Everingham is progressing most favourably. Another accident occurred on Tuesday night last to Dr Fiaschi when returning home from Richmond in his buggy, coming down Roberts Hill the horse bolted and when near the bridge, the occupants were thrown out and coming into contact with some railings the buggy was capsized, the horse then commenced to kick and plunge until he extricated himself, leaving the vehicle a total wreck, and finding himself loose and at liberty galloped homewards and being dark, ran into an omnibus proceeding to the railway station, the property of Mrs. Doyle, injured one of the horses, and smashed the fore part of the bus, but, luckily, no other damage occurred. There has been other accidents in Windsor this week, but of not much importance." Fire"A fire occurred on Thursday morning about 2 o'clock, on the premises of Mr. F. Simon situate in Macquarie Street, Windsor. A shed containing a quantity of hay, a saddle, bridle, and other property, belonging to Mr. Simon and valued about 30 pounds was consumed, and but for the energy of the townspeople, there would have been a great fire, as there are any amount of wooden buildings on the premises, and other cottages adjoining, which are all uninsured. The fire engine and brigade were in attendance, but done little good, as the fire was nearly extinguished on their arrival." Court reports"Henry Abbott and Arthur Halford were charged by the police with stealing property from Caroline Slaney, and sentenced to three days in Windsor Gaol, they have been locked up four days previously. Robert Gardiner charged with being drunk in George Street [Windsor] pleaded guilty. Fined 2s & 6d. Fine paid. John Daniells of Riverstone was charged by Susannah Parsons with assault on the 1st April. Fined 2s 6d and 6s 6d costs or seven days gaol. Fine paid. Sarah Hand on remand, was charged with stealing a brown horse the property of Henry Buttsworth of Buttsworth Swamp; also with stealing a saddle and bridle, the property of the same person. She was committed to take her trial at the next Court of Quarter Sessions to be holden at Windsor on Tuesday the 6th May next. Henry Buttsworth of Wilberforce was charged with cruelly using a horse, pleaded guilty and was fined 10s and 8s costs of court, or 7 days. Fine paid. Another case against the defendant for swearing was postponed for 7 days. Albert Brewer and Daniel Shepherd were charged by the police with riotous conduct on the Wilberforce Road on the 6th April, pleaded guilty. Fined 5s each, with 7s 8d costs or 7 day gaol. Fine paid." Cumberland Mercury 26 April 1879 p. 4.3 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michelle Thank you for posting the old news. It is a very good insight into the "doings" of the time. Even if you do not find an ancestor listed, it is still fascinating reading. Regards Jan Koperberg Blue Mouhtains ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Nichols" <michelle_nichols@hotmail.com> To: <aus-nsw-hills-hawkesbury-hunter-valley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:24 AM Subject: [HHHV] Some more bits out of the newspaper