----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Wells To: G Dundon Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Braidwood Book Hi Gwen and Marg, While we are all up nice and early would either of you lovely ladies have a copy of the Braidwood Cemetery Book ?? I need to find the death, burial of MARTHA POWELL 1863 in Braidwood. Also interesting thing happened while on NSWBDM, a birth record came up for Madeline Wells 1931 ??. (normally only 1905) Many thanks Colleen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny McCarthy" <bardensbay@exemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [ANCC] Where were Walleroo Park & Reedy Flat ?????????? > Post 1856 the Rev Glennie was living in the Hunter > Valley west of Maitland > and I think Wallaroo Park is between Maitland and > Clarence Town. > > Morning Jenny I dont think the Rev GLENNIE was up there till c 1862 from http://www.openwindows.com/News/02/02Aug13/AbHistory.html found just now is: The only other records that survive that tell us anything further are an occasional mention in diaries of individuals. On April 29, 1857, the Rev Alfred Glennie, an Anglican Minister who lived at Gosford between 1850 and 1862, occasionally 'borrowed' an Aborigine from a neighbour in order to paddle him around Brisbane Water in a small boat, The only Wallaroo Park Google could find is abit south of Clarencetown . Must have been another in the mid 1850's Are more spelling than you can poke a stick at for this surname . Have found REIGLER , Gwen came up with RAIGLER, In later records its RICKLAR, RICKLER, RICKLOW and maybe STEIGLER A Joseph LEES worked at a sawmill , Blue Gum Flat mid 1850's,,,,,,,,, Maybe Reedy Flat was near ???? Havent come across it before Bye MargM

OOPS! In my previous posting, I was interrupted while writing it....got my lines crossed, and did not mean to say that Wallaroo Park may have been at Erina, I meant Tuggerah (sorry) and in connection with RAIGLER and LEES. Smack! Smack! Gwen

Dear Marg, In the Church of England - Anglican - records of births, the name of the baby mentioned in your posting as Anna REIGLER (as given by Rev Glennie) is spelt RAIGLER. She was born 16 May 1856, baptised 11 July 1856. She was the daughter of Andreas and Anna Raigler, mother nee Walbourig. The father was a labourer of Wallaroo Park. Rev Alfred Glennie, when he said he "went up to Mr LEES at Reedy Flat to baptize two little German children", may have been referring to Joseph LEES. I think this well-known local family settled early at Tuggerah near Wyong, and indeed Joseph's wife or widow died there in June 1904. Just a thought! Christopher Joseph KLUMPP died at The Bangalows, Erina, on 15.6.1882 aged 59, settler - a native of Wurtumberg "out 26 years" (this comes also from Anglican records). When one of his sons died at Matcham in 1928, it was mentioned in The Gosford Times that he was born in Campbelltown but had come to Erina with his parents as a child. So maybe Wallaroo Park was the name of a property there? Somebody may know for sure. Both the above families have many descendants living on the Central Coast. Regards, Gwen

Post 1856 the Rev Glennie was living in the Hunter Valley west of Maitland and I think Wallaroo Park is between Maitland and Clarence Town. ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*.` Jenny McCarthy Brightwaters N.S.W. on beautiful Lake Macquarie

Dear Listers I was searching for info this morning and happened to look thru the Rev Alfred GLENNIE 1855 plus journal when he was the incumbent of Brisbane Water and found what I was looking for ........... Bapt of baby Anna in 1856, which isnt in the NSW birth records This reads Anna REIGLER , dau of Andreas , labourer of Wallaroo Park and Anna WALBOURING b 16 May 1856 Also bap of a Charles Hy KLUMPP. son of Christian Joseph , Vine dresser and gardener of Wallaroo Park & Johanna Frederica b 15 May 1856 This birth is in the NSW records registered Gosford 1856 / 4581 The Rev states on Friday he went up to Mr LEEs at Reedy Flat to baptise 2 German children That doesn't help much as dunno where that was either :-) Does anyone know please ? Many thanks bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Thanks very much for this reference, MargM, I found something of interest to me on the very first page, and I'm going to keep looking. I also saw a reference to WILLIAM JAQUES, so any descendents may be interested in taking a look [June 6, 1835], Regards Wendy McKenzie > > " 'Sydney Commercial Journal & Advertiser' newspaper in the >> National Libraries Ferguson project and was surprised to find this >> starts in 1835 . Ferguson project is mostly journals and newspapers >> from 1840 >> >> http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14401894.html >> >

Dear Listers Came across : 'Sydney Commercial Journal & Advertiser' newspaper in the National Libraries Ferguson project and was surprised to find this starts in 1835 . Ferguson project is mostly journals and newspapers from 1840 http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14401894.html HTH Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Gosford Times 10 Apr 1934 Miss Gladys DEASEY of Wyoming Valley , who during Easter underwent a serious operation , is home again and recovering Dr S K DWYER took delivery yesterday of an ultra smart V8 Ford model Coupe purchased thru Erina & Woy Woy Shire agents, Messer's RICHARDSON & CHEESHER. Mr C H ALLMEY of Gosford has just celebrated his 79th birthday yesterday MargM Central Coast List Admin

----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Wells" <colleenhasell@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: [ANCC] Re: Looking for family of SIDNEY ERNEST WELLS > > > > Trying to find records on descendants of SIDNEY ERNEST > WELLS born 1882 in TAMWORTH and died 1963 in LISAROW, > Central Coast. > Hi Colleen Might not help directly but his funeral was done by Creightons d 29 Jul 1963 The account would be on reel 11 . Are 35 x WELLS funerals done by them to 1989 Films are in Gosford Library bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

hello marg I went into site, typed foundling in both given name and surname..looked through listing.. so thought I would try orphan , then surname as unknown, and another list popped up.. with over 400 unknown surnames..so maybe this could be another lead..funnily enough I found a Lily M surname unknown born 1889..I'm still trying to find my adopted grandmothers birth details..maybe this is her..she was born in 1889 in Sydney but I cant find any birth registration on NSW BDM..her name was Lillian..keep up the good work, you are a great resource..Clare from Cairns.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Foundlings found ?? Where ? Take 2 > ----- ?? > > >> Dear Listers >> >> I didnt find this but was in Gosford Library today when >> it was found ..... Got a call . "Do come and have a >> look at this " So I did . Amazing ! >> >> Type in foundling as a surname and see what happens >> > > Argggghhhhhh !!!!!!!! I forgot to dot my t' and cross my > i's > > > Either use the NSW on line BDM indexes or CD versions or > look up under F for foundling in the fiche version > > In the Federation 1889 -1918 series there are 75 births > and 132 deaths and 138 deaths 1919 - 1945 > > > > bye > > > MargM > List Admin > Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, > Central Coast , Australia > lists > > ______________________________

----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Wells To: AUS-NSW-NEW-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Looking for family of SIDNEY ERNEST WELLS Hi everyone, Trying to find records on descendants of SIDNEY ERNEST WELLS born 1882 in TAMWORTH and died 1963 in LISAROW, Central Coast. Children I am searching for include: ERNEST THOMAS VIOLET - married Mr Henry JUNE LAURA - was in WW2 MAX - married Margaret May Doyle This is all I have on the families other than Max & Margaret, but would appreciate any records on Ernest's children and grand children for our WELLS family file. I have information I can share and if anyone knows this family please pass on my email. Kind regards Colleen CENTRAL COAST

They didn't use "John or Jane Doe".....I only found one "William John" and one "Jane Doe". I then used "unknown" as the surname for the period 1900-1974 for deaths on BDM's online and it bought up many of the same "foundlings" deaths for that period as well. Plus look at all of those other "unknowns".....how many of them are mine that I can't find deaths for ????? Cheers Lynne Visit our Website www.genealogy.boneworld.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Foundlings found ?? Where ? Take 2 > ----- ?? > > >> Dear Listers >> >> I didnt find this but was in Gosford Library today when >> it was found ..... Got a call . "Do come and have a >> look at this " So I did . Amazing ! >> >> Type in foundling as a surname and see what happens >> > > Argggghhhhhh !!!!!!!! I forgot to dot my t' and cross my > i's > > > Either use the NSW on line BDM indexes or CD versions or > look up under F for foundling in the fiche version > > In the Federation 1889 -1918 series there are 75 births > and 132 deaths and 138 deaths 1919 - 1945 > > > > bye > > > MargM > List Admin > Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, > Central Coast , Australia > lists > > ______________________________

Thanks for that Marg.....very interesting and poses more thoughts Online BDM's - births 1788-1860....only three found ; V1821126 127/1821 FOUNDLING ORPHAN 10834/1859 FOUNDLING PARRAMATTA 11376/1859 FOUNDLING PENRITH deaths 1788-1850 NIL Makes you wonder what "surname" they used to record/register ( or didn't they ?) "abandoned" babies/children prior to registration becoming compulsory in 1856. 1861-1905... births 38 and deaths 25 1906-1974....deaths 257....there being a big gap from 1943 until one was reg. in 1967. In this period did abandonment not happen as frequently ?.....did the police have better means of tracking down the mother and hence finding the child's right surname?.....or did they "Americanise" them and use "John Doe" or "Jane Doe" ??....Nah...surely not. Were the first names (and a couple of cases Surnames), given to them by those that found them ?? I could definitely waste a whole day looking further into this one.....but housework waits Cheers Lynne Visit our Website www.genealogy.boneworld.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Foundlings found ?? Where ? Take 2 > ----- ?? > > >> Dear Listers >> >> I didnt find this but was in Gosford Library today when >> it was found ..... Got a call . "Do come and have a >> look at this " So I did . Amazing ! >> >> Type in foundling as a surname and see what happens >> > > Argggghhhhhh !!!!!!!! I forgot to dot my t' and cross my > i's > > > Either use the NSW on line BDM indexes or CD versions or > look up under F for foundling in the fiche version > > In the Federation 1889 -1918 series there are 75 births > and 132 deaths and 138 deaths 1919 - 1945 > > > > bye > > > MargM > List Admin > Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, > Central Coast , Australia > lists > > ______________________________

Notification appears in the Government Gazette 24 May 1934 that application has been made by Catherine Maria PARKS for an extension of terms of a special lease 25/3 Gosford , for boat building and repair and Jetty. containing an area of 21 1/2 perches below high water mark Woy Woy Channel, fronting portion 125, parish of Patonga, Co of Northumberland. Objections in writing should be lodged with District Surveyor, East Maitland H G BARRIE District Surveyor

----- ?? > Dear Listers > > I didnt find this but was in Gosford Library today when > it was found ..... Got a call . "Do come and have a > look at this " So I did . Amazing ! > > Type in foundling as a surname and see what happens > Argggghhhhhh !!!!!!!! I forgot to dot my t' and cross my i's Either use the NSW on line BDM indexes or CD versions or look up under F for foundling in the fiche version In the Federation 1889 -1918 series there are 75 births and 132 deaths and 138 deaths 1919 - 1945 bye MargM List Admin Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, Central Coast , Australia lists

Dear Listers I didnt find this but was in Gosford Library today when it was found ..... Got a call . "Do come and have a look at this " So I did . Amazing ! Type in foundling as a surname and see what happens bye MargM List Admin Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, Central Coast , Australia lists

Gosford Times 18 Jan 1934 Over the weekend a 9lb Flathead was caught in Brisbane Water by Jack CAMPBELL, a visitor from Hornsby, who was with a party of Gosford fishermen Residents and visitors to The Entrance have been treated to a rare spectacle of late, where sharks have been gathering at the mouth to feed on eels going to sea Mr Kay, a resident of Terrigal, fishing between Terrigal and Wamberal last Monday night landed a 34lb Jewfish Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

http://www.geocities.com/toby_meares2/010.htm Extract; Sailing out again under the vertical cliffs of the North Head, and keeping northwards past alternate rocks and sandy beaches for sixteen miles, we round the high cone of Barrenjoey Head, where an entrance two miles wide leads into Broken Bay, the estuary of the picturesque Hawkesbury River. It branches out into long arms of deep water, lying very dark and still, like small fiords, overshadowed by cliffs that often rise to five or six hundred feet in height. But there is wonderful variety in this beautiful inlet, the shores being sometimes beaches of deep red or reddish-brown colour, which look very bright when set off by the dark-green foliage of the background. There are not many places in the world that can rival the mouth of the Hawkesbury River for majestic scenery. North of this river the shore is rocky and weather-worn, with barren-looking hills beyond; then come smooth flat wastes of sand, varied by the shining expanses of the Tuggerah and Macquarie Lakes, which are visible from the bridge of a passing vessel. Behind these rise ranges covered with ironbark trees. Hills of blown sand line all the shore, except where the bluffs of Red Head vary the monotony, and here the tugboats are generally to be seen waiting to tow vessels into Newcastle Harbour. At night, the flash of a blue light indicates their whereabouts. The view is picturesque as we round Nobby's, once a rocky islet but now joined by a long, breakwater to the city itself, which rises tier on tier with rows of houses on a rounded hill. At the foot of the city, at the water's edge, and on the shore of Bullock Island, are constructed the steam cranes and the loading shoots that fill with coal the great fleet of vessels that make of Newcastle a busy port. The sea is often wild and dangerous off this Nobby's Head, and many a vessel has gone ashore when striving to cross the bar, made tumultuous by easterly gales and a six knot current. That green buoy a cable's length off, shows where the ill-fated "Cawarra" went down with passengers and crew; being swept away by the rolling breakers one fearful night. Winding away inland, is the line of the Hunter River, with its many arms and sandy islands. From Newcastle Harbour for twenty miles the coast is smooth, bare and monotonous. The long rollers foam against a sandy beach, rising into two small hills tipped with straggling scrub, till we come to Morna Point with its cliffs and hills of sandstone. Then round the lighthouse on the Point, and into Port Stephens; a good harbour, but with low, and in some places swampy shores, in no way inviting to the eye. Much of the harbour consists of banks and shoals, which at ebb tide are left uncovered and present a wide and somewhat dismal waste of glistening sand, but inland there are fine wooded ranges. Sailing out of Port Stephens, a pleasing contrast is presented by the bold hills that stand like sentinels on either side of the entrance; each is from five to seven hundred feet high, and slopes steeply down to the high cliffs which descend sheer to the breakers below. Sorry about the previous messages I forgot to change to Text only. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

http://www.geocities.com/toby_meares2/012.htm Extract; The lakes of New South Wales are neither numerous nor important. A great number of so-called lakes are merely salt-water estuaries formed by the inroads of the sea on softer portions of the, coast. To this class belong Lake Illawarra, Lake Macquarie, Lake Tuggerah, and several others. Some of the coast lakes are merely intercepted river outlets, banked up by sand bars. The fresh-water lakes are for the most part simply depressed surfaces, where the storm-water collects into lagoons. The Western plains are so level, and are so little drained by continuous creeks, that after heavy rains small shallow lakes of this kind abound. The squatters call them clay-pans, and plough channels into them, to collect as much water as possible, but they dry up under the heat of the summer sun. Some of the larger natural hollows are more permanent. Of these the most important is Lake George, which has, however, been dry within the last half century, and cattle have grazed over its bed. The lak! e area is singularly small in a country containing 311,078 square miles, or 199,090,217 acres -a tract of country more than half as large again as France, or five times the area of England and Wales. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia