On looking at a film at Parramatta Heritage Centre for BDM's St Patricks Cathedral(Parramatta) noticed register entries for St Josephs Central Coast R/C church for Brisbane Waters approx 1840-50. Regards Margaret

These are just a few from my favourites http://www.policensw.com/~policens/info/history/h2a.html http://www.medicalpioneers.com/ http://www.booksandcollectibles.com.au/ http://www.lib.mq.edu.au/all/journeys/menu.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ehcastle/grevilles/lists/abc.html http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~garter1/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~ausnavy/Deserters.htm http://www.raogk.org/australia.htm MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Hi Ian Rev Alfred GLENNIE's Journals have been published by the Gosford District Local History Study Group, you may be able to get them on interlibrary loan as they are now out of print. Years 1855-1860 and 1861-63 plus index ISBN Series No. 0 7316 0651 5 Vol I No. 0 7316 0636 1 Vol II No. 0 7316 0637 X Mentioned are; The 2 - from Maiden Brush. Vol II No.166 19 March 1861, After breakfast I rode out to the Maiden Brush, & called upon Dixon, the two Creightons, & Mr Rankin, who has lately arrived with his family from the Hunter. Margaret CREIGHTON, married Robert WHITE 14/9/1854. William CREIGHTON, son of Robert CREIGHTON, Wheelwright & Eliza (DUNLOP) formerly of Ireland. There is a later online jounal on Hunter Valley Genealogy http://www.huntervalleygenealogy.com/ There are also a set of four books by C SWANCOTT, published 1953 called The Brisbane Water Story, Part one Gosford, Part two Woy Woy & Hawkesbury River, Part three Enchanted Waters and Part four The rest of the story. There is no ISBN No's. on these books. Richard CREIGHTON is mentioned. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hello MargM and listers, I have been reading a transcript of the diaries of Rev. Alfred Glennie, which were written after he left the Brisbane Waters area, and moved to the Hunter Valley. In it he refers to the family of William and Elizabeth Muddle. 8 December 1863 - "In the morning I received a letter from Mr Coulter - Gosford - conveying the sad news of the sudden & untimely end of poor William Muddle. His death was caused by his running against the limb of a tree, which must have ruptured some of the intestines." William Muddle had married Elizabeth Creighton on 21 July 1853 at the Anglican Church, Kincumber. From this time until William's early and tragic death ten years later, they had six children. [Amelia, Eliza Anne, Robert, Harriet, Margaret and an unnamed child]. Elizabeth was pregnant with their seven child, Wilhelmina, when William was killed. William was 35 years old when he died on 2 December 1863. He had worked as a Sawyer, but was working as a farm labourer at Maiden Brush when the accident occurred. Two years later the Rev. Alfred Glennie wrote - 5th October 1865 - "...Went to Morpeth to attend the Quarterly Committee Meeting. Dined with the Walshes, & then rode on to Paterson viâ Hinton. The object of my journey thither was to see Mrs. Henry Brooker, (formerly Elizabeth Muddle) & see whether they could render any assistance to poor William's Widow, by taking one or two of the children. Remained the night with Mr. Addams. 6th October .... Called on the Brookers first thing after breakfast, but did no good thereby. Came home by way of Maitland; where I called on Mr Paskins, & made an exchange of Harmonium with him. " I know that William's widow, the former Elizabeth Creighton, eventually became a midwife. How dreadful it must have been for her at this time, to consider splitting up her family and sending them to relatives [in this case her sister-in-law, Mrs Elizabeth Brooker, at Pattison in the Hunter Valley]. I think that there are Muddle descendents on this list. Could they or anyone else on the list, expand on this story. Do they know if the children were split up or was Elizabeth Muddle able to keep her children together. When did she become a midwife? I have a photograph of Elizabeth on my wall with other family members and there is a striking resemblance to her nieces [children of her brother, William Creighton], one of whom is my great grandmother. These human stories are what makes family history so interesting. Elizabeth outlived her husband by about 44 years. She died in 1907 and is buried in Point Frederick Cemetery with her husband. I would love to be able to read the diaries of Rev. Alfred Glennie, that were written during his 13 years in the Brisbane Waters area. regards Wendy McKenzie

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_z055wFEI65GbiNSFAGHUMA) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Mike, This is a very pleasant surprise ! I am a direct descendant of William BEAVEN. He was one of my ggg-grandfathers. I have some information on him and his descendants which I'm happy to send to you. I have also tried to trace his ancestry in Herefordshire but found that rather difficult from this side of the world. Apparently they lived at a place called Headland, which is a small farm or hamlet near Dilwyn. Was your gggg-grandfathers name Michael BEVAN ? By the way, William's brother George who I think was born about 1815 emigrated with his wife and children in the 1840's and settled near Wollombi, not too far from the Yarramalong. Hope to hear from you again. cheers, David Armstrong Sydney Mike Bevan wrote On 15/01/06 02:19 AM,: > Hi folks > > I'm researching my BEVAN ancestry in Dilwyn, Herefordshire. I notice > that the IGI entry for a William BEAVEN, b. Dilwyn 11 Mar 1810, suggests > he died in Yarramalong. His grandfather was my gggg-grandfather, and I'd > be very interested to hear from any Australian descendants. > > I'm also posting this to the Hunter Valley list, because the archive for > that list came up on a web search for 'Beaven and Yarramalong' > > Regards > > Mike Bevan > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > For other AUS mailing lists check out: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS > -- --Boundary_(ID_z055wFEI65GbiNSFAGHUMA) Content-type: text/x-vcard; name=David.Armstrong.vcf; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=David.Armstrong.vcf begin:vcard fn:David Armstrong n:Armstrong;David org:Sun Microsystems Australia Pty Ltd;Product Management Group email;internet:david.armstrong@sun.com title:Product Business Manager x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_z055wFEI65GbiNSFAGHUMA)--

Hello Mike, I will send a pic of William Beaven's headstone to your email address if I can get it to scan satisfactorily. I took the photo about 20 years ago, and it's printed on stippled paper - not the best for scanning! However, it will give you some idea of what it looks like until somebody else will take a new photo for you perhaps. The inscription reads as follows: "IN MEMORY OF/WILLIAM BEAVEN/born March 1st 1810,/died April 29th, 1887. "Long days and nights he bore with pain/To seek for rest, but all in vain;/Till God himself who thought it best,/To end his suffering gave him rest. "It is hard to part with those we love,/On earth to meet no more./But Oh! what peace and joy to know,/They are only gone before. ALSO ISABELLA/Wife of the above/died August 14, 1904/Aged 82." Best wishes, Gwen

Just a brief line to thank publicly those who kindly responded to my posting. I've noted on the various genealogical email groups I subscribe to that Australian researchers are amongst the most helpful and knowledgeable participants, and I'm pleased finally to have uncovered an apparent Australian link. I shall write separately to the responders about the material and suggestions they provided. Best wishes to all Mike Bevan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bevan" <mikebevan@free.fr> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:19 AM Subject: [ANCC] BEVAN/BEAVEN family, Dilwyn, Herefordshire > Hi folks > > I'm researching my BEVAN ancestry in Dilwyn, > Herefordshire. I notice that the IGI entry for a William > BEAVEN, b. Dilwyn 11 Mar 1810, suggests he died in > Yarramalong. His grandfather was my gggg-grandfather, Hi Mike I have some of Edward STINSONs books of the History of Wyong Shire and index to these and there are many refs to the BEAVEN family of Yarramalong including photo of William BEAVEN . Just tried to scan it but came up way to dark. Photo in the book is OK bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Hi Mike, Some of the Bevan, Fernance and Bridge families are related and resided in the Yarramalong and Hunter Valley regions and are listed in the Pioneer Register of Cessnock, I have noted an entry for William in the book and happy to do some look ups for you. Our Wells family also married into these families somewhere along the line. Regards Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bevan" <mikebevan@free.fr> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:19 AM Subject: [ANCC] BEVAN/BEAVEN family, Dilwyn, Herefordshire > Hi folks > > I'm researching my BEVAN ancestry in Dilwyn, Herefordshire. I notice that > the IGI entry for a William BEAVEN, b. Dilwyn 11 Mar 1810, suggests he > died in Yarramalong. His grandfather was my gggg-grandfather, and I'd be > very interested to hear from any Australian descendants. > > I'm also posting this to the Hunter Valley list, because the archive for > that list came up on a web search for 'Beaven and Yarramalong' > > Regards > > Mike Bevan > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > For other AUS mailing lists check out: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS >

Hi folks I'm researching my BEVAN ancestry in Dilwyn, Herefordshire. I notice that the IGI entry for a William BEAVEN, b. Dilwyn 11 Mar 1810, suggests he died in Yarramalong. His grandfather was my gggg-grandfather, and I'd be very interested to hear from any Australian descendants. I'm also posting this to the Hunter Valley list, because the archive for that list came up on a web search for 'Beaven and Yarramalong' Regards Mike Bevan

wow, Gwen ... that is fascinating! I had noticed that some of the landowners were later than my William Creighton, which means that when he lived there it was probably very isolated. What a marvelous history the Central Coast has! I am so glad I have connections to it! Now that I know that my William Creighton had land there I feel a much closer connection Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Dundon" <gdundon@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: [ANCC] Maidens Brush Road - Land owners > Hello again Wendy, > > The surnames given as neighbours of Creighton at Maidens Brush may not > necessarily have been his contemporaries. > > Among the well-known surnames given is that of Corocher - a family about > whom a whole book could be written! They were Italians who ended up in > employment at "Cooranbean", the Fagan farm and orchard at West Gosford > (now Kendall Cottage Museum) after surviving the disaster of the Marquis > de Rey's attempted settlement at Port Breton in New Guinea, when many had > died of fever. The family had voyaged with de Rey's "expedition" from > their home in Italy in 1880. The then Premier of NSW, Sir Henry Parkes, > offered the distressed survivors the choice of a passage back home or > permission to come to NSW in 1881 (many of the Italians settled at "Little > Italy" on the Richmond River NSW). > > The Fagan brothers were good people known for helping people down on their > luck. > > Later on, the Fagans sold some land at "Maiden Brush" to the Corochers who > called their farm "Costabella" and it was not disposed of until 1914. It > was described in the 1923 obituary of their only daughter, Mrs Julia > (Dean) Boyd as being at "Wingello". > > Cheers in history! Gwen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [ANCC] Maidens Brush Road - Land owners > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ian" <iandwmckenzie@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [ANCC] Maidens Brush Road - naming of >> >> >>> William Creighton's neighbours in Maiden/s Brush in the 1850s were: >>> James Mitchell >>> G. Corocher >>> K. S. Ward >>> J.C. Smith >>> W.J.W. Miles [formerly owned by E.S. Ward] >>> George Rankin >>> H.T. May >>> William Ward >> >> Hi Wendy >> >> Dont forget Grevilles 1872 PO Dir thats is now on line . I downloaded and >> printed >> the pages for this area >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ehcastle/grevilles/lists/abc.html >> >> >> You need , Kincumber , Mangrove Creek, Blue Gum Flat, Gosford >> >>> >>> Are any of the above names familiar to listers? >> >> WARD ,and SMITH stand out >> >> There are 3 useful booklets the CC FHS published a while back now which >> arent on our web site for some reason ? These are surname lists of the >> 1841, 1891 and 1901 censuses for this area . Only cost abt $3 ea I >> think ? >> >> If you email Marilyn ccfhs2@westnet.com.au , our book stall >> coordinator . She could give you a total cost and postage >> >> >> Bye >> >> >> MargM >> Member of >> CC FHS >> Gosford >> >> >> >> ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== >> If you find a good source of Central Coast info , let us all know >> >> > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > A problem aired is a problem shared >

Hi Folks I think that the James Mitchell under discussion, an early landowner in today's Wyoming, is surgeon James Mitchell (1792 - 1869). He was one of the early colony's largest land-holders and richest men, and father of David Scott Mitchell, of Mitchell Library fame. There are 3 pages devoted to Mitchell snr in the ADB (Australian Dictionary of Biography). It's found in any library - pages 235 - 238. Cheers Liz P

Hello again Wendy, The surnames given as neighbours of Creighton at Maidens Brush may not necessarily have been his contemporaries. Among the well-known surnames given is that of Corocher - a family about whom a whole book could be written! They were Italians who ended up in employment at "Cooranbean", the Fagan farm and orchard at West Gosford (now Kendall Cottage Museum) after surviving the disaster of the Marquis de Rey's attempted settlement at Port Breton in New Guinea, when many had died of fever. The family had voyaged with de Rey's "expedition" from their home in Italy in 1880. The then Premier of NSW, Sir Henry Parkes, offered the distressed survivors the choice of a passage back home or permission to come to NSW in 1881 (many of the Italians settled at "Little Italy" on the Richmond River NSW). The Fagan brothers were good people known for helping people down on their luck. Later on, the Fagans sold some land at "Maiden Brush" to the Corochers who called their farm "Costabella" and it was not disposed of until 1914. It was described in the 1923 obituary of their only daughter, Mrs Julia (Dean) Boyd as being at "Wingello". Cheers in history! Gwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [ANCC] Maidens Brush Road - Land owners > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ian" <iandwmckenzie@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:21 AM > Subject: Re: [ANCC] Maidens Brush Road - naming of > > >> William Creighton's neighbours in Maiden/s Brush in the 1850s were: >> James Mitchell >> G. Corocher >> K. S. Ward >> J.C. Smith >> W.J.W. Miles [formerly owned by E.S. Ward] >> George Rankin >> H.T. May >> William Ward > > Hi Wendy > > Dont forget Grevilles 1872 PO Dir thats is now on line . I downloaded and > printed > the pages for this area > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ehcastle/grevilles/lists/abc.html > > > You need , Kincumber , Mangrove Creek, Blue Gum Flat, Gosford > >> >> Are any of the above names familiar to listers? > > WARD ,and SMITH stand out > > There are 3 useful booklets the CC FHS published a while back now which > arent on our web site for some reason ? These are surname lists of the > 1841, 1891 and 1901 censuses for this area . Only cost abt $3 ea I think > ? > > If you email Marilyn ccfhs2@westnet.com.au , our book stall > coordinator . She could give you a total cost and postage > > > Bye > > > MargM > Member of > CC FHS > Gosford > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > If you find a good source of Central Coast info , let us all know > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "ian" <iandwmckenzie@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [ANCC] Maidens Brush Road - naming of > William Creighton's neighbours in Maiden/s Brush in the > 1850s were: > James Mitchell > G. Corocher > K. S. Ward > J.C. Smith > W.J.W. Miles [formerly owned by E.S. Ward] > George Rankin > H.T. May > William Ward Hi Wendy Dont forget Grevilles 1872 PO Dir thats is now on line . I downloaded and printed the pages for this area http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ehcastle/grevilles/lists/abc.html You need , Kincumber , Mangrove Creek, Blue Gum Flat, Gosford > > Are any of the above names familiar to listers? WARD ,and SMITH stand out There are 3 useful booklets the CC FHS published a while back now which arent on our web site for some reason ? These are surname lists of the 1841, 1891 and 1901 censuses for this area . Only cost abt $3 ea I think ? If you email Marilyn ccfhs2@westnet.com.au , our book stall coordinator . She could give you a total cost and postage Bye MargM Member of CC FHS Gosford

Hello Jenny, a Charlotte Cleaver married a William Garrett at Port Macquarie in 1888. [NSWBDM 5314/1888]. Your Charlotte Cleaver was widowed at Taree in 1885 when her husband, John Cleaver died. This could be your Charlotte remarrying. A Charlotte Garrett died in 1899, aged 83yrs, at Manning River. The death was registered at Taree. Hope this helps. Regards Wendy McKenzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Wellington" <bjjawell@iinet.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: [ANCC] CLEAVER Family Tinonee > Good Morning Marg and Members > I live in rural Victoria and have been researching just over five years. > I > am currently helping a friend to research her family and am trying to find > information for John CLEAVER and Charlotte WOODWARD. Married in England > and > arrived in Australia 1848. The A.G.C.I. index lists deaths for both at > Tinonee - John 26th May 1885 and Charlotte 9th November 1901. I have been > unable to find the registration for Charlotte's death at this stage. > Hoping > someone may be familiar with this family. > My own lines include PEACOCK - HOWSON - DURRANT - WHITE - RILEY - > HAMPTON - > BOYANTON although they are mainly from other areas. > Kind Regards > Jenny (Victoria) > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > Please type surnames only in all caps. Helps them stand out from a > computer screen >

Wendy, My understanding is that the land where Adelene Retirement Village is situated now was owned by members of the Ward family until the 1970s when Adelene was built. This family are descendants of a rather well known pioneer - Manassah Ward. (Not sure how Manassah spelt his name). I see some of the Ward family who lived in Maidens Brush Rd at times so will check what they know. I haven't seen them since last Tuesday night at a meeting but may not catch up with them for a few weeks. David > William Creighton's neighbours in Maiden/s Brush in the 1850s were: > James Mitchell > G. Corocher > K. S. Ward > J.C. Smith > W.J.W. Miles [formerly owned by E.S. Ward] > George Rankin > H.T. May > William Ward > > Are any of the above names familiar to listers? James Mitchell was > immediatley to the west of William Creighton and had a very large parcel > of land [at least 300 acres]. Was James Mitchell a well known pioneer? > > I have also located a street directory for the area and hope to have it in > my hot little hands this weekend [a very sensible suggestion, thanks > Gwen], > regards > Wendy McKenzie

Thank you for your very generous offer, David. I would be delighted to know what the land looks like now. I'll contact you off list. The Geographical Names Board web site indicates that until 1966 there was no central and official record of placenames; that they were known locally by various names and that unless locals kept records it is not known how places, localities, creeks, rivers, etc., got their names. It would seem that local historical groups are a good source for this information as the Geographical Names Board quotes them sometimes when citing the source for the official name adopted. A search of the historical records of the NSW Land Titles Office would probably reveal a name. When the original subdivision was made it must have had at least a locality name. The Rev. Alfred Glennie was the minister who baptised and buried the Creighton children in the 1850s. The earliest baptism I have is 31 March 1854 and the place where William and Sarah Creighton lived was MAIDEN BRUSH. The Rev. Glennie's church was the Church of England, Gosford. Regards Wendy McKenzie

Hello Gwen, MargM and Listers, your suggestion, Gwen, that the area and road may have been named after the Maiden's Blush trees [Sloanea australis] seems quite feasible. I was able to find a photo and information on these trees in one of my books and it also mentions, as you say, that they are very good timber for furniture joinery and are now used as street trees and in parks. I recognised the seed pods, so I have probably often seen them without knowing what they were! An interesting snippet: Maidens Brush Creek, Gosford [a gully] was renamed on 2 January 1987 to Bradys Gully, Gosford. It is described as - "A watercourse about 2.5 km long, rising about 1 km west of Erina Trig. Station and flowing generally west then NW into Narara Creek. [Source: web site for the Geographical Names Board, NSW]. Is Bradys Gully in the general area of Maiden's Brush Road? William Creighton's neighbours in Maiden/s Brush in the 1850s were: James Mitchell G. Corocher K. S. Ward J.C. Smith W.J.W. Miles [formerly owned by E.S. Ward] George Rankin H.T. May William Ward Are any of the above names familiar to listers? James Mitchell was immediatley to the west of William Creighton and had a very large parcel of land [at least 300 acres]. Was James Mitchell a well known pioneer? I have also located a street directory for the area and hope to have it in my hot little hands this weekend [a very sensible suggestion, thanks Gwen], regards Wendy McKenzie

Good Morning Marg and Members I live in rural Victoria and have been researching just over five years. I am currently helping a friend to research her family and am trying to find information for John CLEAVER and Charlotte WOODWARD. Married in England and arrived in Australia 1848. The A.G.C.I. index lists deaths for both at Tinonee - John 26th May 1885 and Charlotte 9th November 1901. I have been unable to find the registration for Charlotte's death at this stage. Hoping someone may be familiar with this family. My own lines include PEACOCK - HOWSON - DURRANT - WHITE - RILEY - HAMPTON - BOYANTON although they are mainly from other areas. Kind Regards Jenny (Victoria)

Hello MargM, thanks for offering to look-up this information next time you are on duty. I'll ask my local library about the books you mentioned too. I'll do a search on the Hunter Valley list for any references to the Moreisset Hospital, although with all the clues I've received on this list I feel I am well on my way to understanding what the Morisset Mental Hospital hospital was like c1919, regards Wendy McKenzie