Gosford Times 28 Apr 1905 CHALLANGE J OWENS & W RILEY hereby challenge the BOURKE bros row them in a double skull boat race over the same course as on Eater Monday, off the same mark, to swap boats if so desired , for from £1 to £20. BOURKE bros to appoint their own time Wanted Leech collectors . Large quantity of good healthy leeches required, Apply R DOWNES , Chemist, Gosford Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Hi There is mention of him on www.users.bigpond.com/narrabeen/ourimbah/4.htm Regards Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [ANCC] Re: JAQUES clan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Gray" <agray12@tpg.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:00 PM

----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Gray" <agray12@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:00 PM > Hi > Does anyone know the family of Alfred Snaith JAQUES who > lived at Ourimbah about 1872 Hi Allan Quite alot of info about on this family . Be interesting to know just how many descendants there are with the JAQUES - MUDDLE -CREIGHTON compilation ! There is a page of JAQUES in the Central Coast FHS pre 1900 Pioneers book . Are a few refs in the Brisbane Water Bench Books etc etc Where do you fit ? Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin >

Hello everyone, I found a death on the NSWBDM that could be the one you are looking for. 1875 - [7116/1875] Lawrence McDonagh. Died Liverpool. Age 76yrs. Registered at Liverpool. This would make him born c1799 and c20 yrs. old when he arrived in 1819. If this is the right one, it would explain why his wife is not listed as a widow as she may have pre-deceased him [the same year]. I also found a death of a Bridget Grant in 1907. The parents were Thomas and Cecilia. This Bridget Grant died at Balmain South. Catherine McDonald, daughter of Lawrence and Cecilia, died in 1905 in Sydney. There are a few deaths of a Mary Doyle or Mary A. Doyle in the 1830's - 1840s. Often when a child was quite young, or an infant, the parents are not listed on the NSWBDM index on the web-site. I hope this helps, if only to eliminate some more possibilities, regards Wendy McKenzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Sheridan" <nadirehs@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:14 PM Subject: [ANCC] Lawrence Mcdonald l - brick wall > Hi Marg, colleen and list members > > thanks for the reply on the above, I believe he is the Lawrence McDonald > who arrived on the Thyne in 1819 > His wife died in 1875 in Sydney. > Her death certificate gives no indication that she was a widow. > > Their daughter Bridget Grant was widowed in 1865 and from the sands > directory she was working in Sydney as a laundress as was her sister > Catherine McDonald. > So am presuming the mother was also here as well. > I think that this may be one mystery I may never solve > > regards > Faye > I > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > > Found any bad ancestors recently ? >

Oops! Very sorry. In my last posting, I forgot to include the website address of the Oral History Program, State Library of NSW: www.une.edu.au/ioha2006 For the website of the Oral History Association of Australia, see: http://www.ohaa.net.au/ Regards, Gwen

Hi Marg, colleen and list members thanks for the reply on the above, I believe he is the Lawrence McDonald who arrived on the Thyne in 1819 His wife died in 1875 in Sydney. Her death certificate gives no indication that she was a widow. Their daughter Bridget Grant was widowed in 1865 and from the sands directory she was working in Sydney as a laundress as was her sister Catherine McDonald. So am presuming the mother was also here as well. I think that this may be one mystery I may never solve regards Faye I

Here is the website address of the Oral History Association of Australia, New South Wales Inc. There are some excellent links. Rosemary Block - Curator of Oral History at the State Library, Sydney, and NSW President of the Oral History Assoc. of Australia - was one of the speakers at the RAHS's 34th Annual Hunter & Coastal History Convention hosted on Saturday March 4 by Wyong Museum & Historical Society Inc. at Wyong Council's convention rooms. The subject of her talk was "I Wish I'd Asked My Grandmother...." I think we would all be in agreement with that! Regards, Gwen

Hi Colleen, Like most people lots of families. In Australia:- BRYANT, GILBERT, POTTS, LEECH mostly from the Hurstville are of Sydney and some on the Central Coast. In the UK:- KENT- BRYANT, GILBERT, HODGE, SHOOBRIDGE, PAIN HEREFORD - RUDGE, LEECH CHESHIRE - POTTS, WHITTER, HENSHALL, BARBER DEVON - MURCH, BEER HAMPSHIRE - RYAN, WILSON SURREY - THWAITES Regards, Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Wells" <colleenhasell@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ANCC] Old Bailey site > Hi Ted, > > I always use this site, it is great for convict search and also interesting > to read details about the witnesses/informers and victims. > > What families are you researching ? > > Regards > Colleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Bryant" <tedbryant@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:06 AM > Subject: [ANCC] Old Bailey site > > > > > > Hi, > > > > The following site has been brought to my attention and from what I know > > seems to be fairy new? It may be of interest to those researching convict > > ancestors or ancestors that were involved in legal cases one way or > > another > > in the UK. > > > > This is a project of the History department of the University of Hertford > > and can be found at http://www.oldbaileyonline.org This lists criminal > > proceedings at the Old Bailey from the 17th century > > onwards. You can search by surnames, keywords etc. and read the prisoners' > > and witnesses' words. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ted Bryant

----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Wells" <colleenhasell@ozemail.com.au> To: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au>; <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [ANCC] Lawrence Mcdoanld - brick wall >Hi Colleen I found on NSWBDM a LAWRENCE O'DONALD born to >LAWRENCE O'DONALD and MARY 1815 and also his death as an >infant 1817, is this a possibility ?? No........... He married abt 1832 ----- From Fays message: >McDonald and wife >>>> Cecelia ( Waters)and three daughter living at Blue >>>> Gum Flat.- in 1841 census >>> the family is also mentioned on a web site about the >>> Ourimbah/Blue Gum Flat area. He seems to disappear about 1850 ish . Maybe took off down to VIC seeking gold ? and died unknown ? Lots of possibilites Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Good afternoon, I found on NSWBDM a LAWRENCE O'DONALD born to LAWRENCE O'DONALD and MARY 1815 and also his death as an infant 1817, is this a possibility ?? I am not sure of the era for this family. Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [ANCC] Lawrence Mcdoanld - brick wall > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "F. Sheridan" <nadirehs@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:36 AM > Subject: [ANCC] Lawrence Mcdoanld - brick wall > > >>> The 1841 census of NSW makes mention of Lawrence McDonald and wife >>> Cecelia ( Waters)and three daughter living at Blue Gum Flat. >> the family is also mentioned on a web site about the Ourimbah/Blue Gum >> Flat area. >> >> One daughter Bridget married John Grant son of Thomas Grant and Ellen >> Jennings. The other daughter Catherine never married but I can find no >> mention of the eldest child or the death of Lawrence McDonald anywhere. > > He is one of the 'missing from records' The CC FHS has been doing a great > deal of research into early settlers of this area that were here by the > time the 1841 census was taken > > Was over at our library yesterday asked whether Lawrence McDONALD had ever > surfaced........... no ...... ( Have looked him up before some time > back ) > >> I believe the eldest child is the daughter born to Cecelia Waters in >> 1831,Baptised Mary Anne waters, and Mary Anne Doyle on the NSW BD&M >> indexes her father was Timothy Doyle and sponsors on her baptism record >> were Bridget Larkin and Patrick Connell. >> >> There is further mention on the Ourimbah web site, of the death of >> McDonald's daughter of a dreadful illness that swept the area, and >> McDonald was a saw mill engineer.I don't know if it relates to my family >> though. >> Any suggestions as to where to look for more information > > Info on the population around here 1850 - 1870 is abit thin on the ground > as no surviving newspapers . Court Cases and bench books are a source . > Are only 2 brief early refs to Laurence in these records > > Wonder what his wife did to support herself ? > > Bye > MargM > Central Coast > List Admin > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > For other AUS mailing lists check out: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS >

----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret trewick" <margaretwh@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [ANCC] Old Gosford bits- RAEs Hi Margaret > . I know that John Joseph Rae > had a farm , shown on 1921,1925 & 1928 electoral roll > as Brayton( name of property?) Mt Penang. Only 2 deaths in NSW records of John Joseph RAEs 1925 -1975 > James Edward Rae lived at Spiers Rd Gosford 1925,& > 1928, and during 1921-1922 was listed as living at York > St Gosford. No death record over same period for James Edw Maybe he went back to Victoria > My grandmother, Emma Pennell Rae had 13 children, yet I > have only found 12. Could be a missing child amongst > your funerals? > What is the missing childs name ? > I am also looking for the death of the father of these 2 > men, also a James Rae, who lived at Windermere in > Victoria, but when his wife died in 1891, no more trace > of him. I wonder if he followed his sons to NSW. I dont know ............. Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin > > Thank you again. > Margaret > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > For other AUS mailing lists check out: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS >

Hi Ted, I always use this site, it is great for convict search and also interesting to read details about the witnesses/informers and victims. What families are you researching ? Regards Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Bryant" <tedbryant@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: [ANCC] Old Bailey site > > Hi, > > The following site has been brought to my attention and from what I know > seems to be fairy new? It may be of interest to those researching convict > ancestors or ancestors that were involved in legal cases one way or > another > in the UK. > > This is a project of the History department of the University of Hertford > and can be found at http://www.oldbaileyonline.org This lists criminal > proceedings at the Old Bailey from the 17th century > onwards. You can search by surnames, keywords etc. and read the prisoners' > and witnesses' words. > > Regards, > > Ted Bryant > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > For other AUS mailing lists check out: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS >

----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Sheridan" <nadirehs@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:36 AM Subject: [ANCC] Lawrence Mcdoanld - brick wall >> The 1841 census of NSW makes mention of Lawrence >> McDonald and wife Cecelia ( Waters)and three daughter >> living at Blue Gum Flat. > the family is also mentioned on a web site about the > Ourimbah/Blue Gum Flat area. > > One daughter Bridget married John Grant son of Thomas > Grant and Ellen Jennings. The other daughter Catherine > never married but I can find no mention of the eldest > child or the death of Lawrence McDonald anywhere. He is one of the 'missing from records' The CC FHS has been doing a great deal of research into early settlers of this area that were here by the time the 1841 census was taken Was over at our library yesterday asked whether Lawrence McDONALD had ever surfaced........... no ...... ( Have looked him up before some time back ) > I believe the eldest child is the daughter born to > Cecelia Waters in 1831,Baptised Mary Anne waters, and > Mary Anne Doyle on the NSW BD&M indexes her father was > Timothy Doyle and sponsors on her baptism record were > Bridget Larkin and Patrick Connell. > > There is further mention on the Ourimbah web site, of > the death of McDonald's daughter of a dreadful illness > that swept the area, and McDonald was a saw mill > engineer.I don't know if it relates to my family though. > Any suggestions as to where to look for more information Info on the population around here 1850 - 1870 is abit thin on the ground as no surviving newspapers . Court Cases and bench books are a source . Are only 2 brief early refs to Laurence in these records Wonder what his wife did to support herself ? Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Hi, The following site has been brought to my attention and from what I know seems to be fairy new? It may be of interest to those researching convict ancestors or ancestors that were involved in legal cases one way or another in the UK. This is a project of the History department of the University of Hertford and can be found at http://www.oldbaileyonline.org This lists criminal proceedings at the Old Bailey from the 17th century onwards. You can search by surnames, keywords etc. and read the prisoners' and witnesses' words. Regards, Ted Bryant

Hello list Wish to make contact with anyone having a connection to ( Jim )James William CROSS born Cardiff Wales 1929 regards Nancy N.Z.

Hi Marg and List The 1841 census of NSW makes mention of Lawrence McDonald and wife Cecelia ( Waters)and three daughter living at Blue Gum Flat. the family is also mentioned on a web site about the Ourimbah/Blue Gum Flat area. One daughter Bridget married John Grant son of Thomas Grant and Ellen Jennings. The other daughter Catherine never married but I can find no mention of the eldest child or the death of Lawrence McDonald anywhere.I have the death certificate of his wife. She died in Sydney in 1875. No mention of her husband or any previous marriage, but it did state that she had nine children. The only other fact is that daughter Bridget was born at Jamberoo about 1836 and daughter Catherine was born about 1833 in Sydney Lawrence & Cecelia were married in Sydney in 1832. I believe the eldest child is the daughter born to Cecelia Waters in 1831,Baptised Mary Anne waters, and Mary Anne Doyle on the NSW BD&M indexes her father was Timothy Doyle and sponsors on her baptism record were Bridget Larkin and Patrick Connell. There is further mention on the Ourimbah web site, of the death of McDonald's daughter of a dreadful illness that swept the area, and McDonald was a saw mill engineer.I don't know if it relates to my family though. Any suggestions as to where to look for more information regards Faye

----- Original Message ----- From: "pam clarke" <pamclarke@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: [ANCC] CONVICTS ASSIGNED TO CENTRAL COAST or ANYWHERE IN NEW SOUTH WALES > Hello, Would Kingswood Archives be the best starting > point to look at > lists of convicts assigned to various settlers in New > South Wales. > Hi Pam The best definitive list I've come across is included towards the back of the 'Brisbane Water Case' book . Edited from the 1837 muster and other sources. I dont know if State Records have a copy of this ? They might have ? Or Penrith Library......... Nepean FHS ?? Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Hello, Would Kingswood Archives be the best starting point to look at lists of convicts assigned to various settlers in New South Wales. Any advice would be appreciated. PamC (nee COULTER) Blue Mtns, NSW. Australia

Marg Thank you for your reply. I know that John Joseph Rae had a farm , shown on 1921,1925 & 1928 electoral roll as Brayton( name of property?) Mt Penang. James Edward Rae lived at Spiers Rd Gosford 1925,& 1928, and during 1921-1922 was listed as living at York St Gosford. My grandmother, Emma Pennell Rae had 13 children, yet I have only found 12. Could be a missing child amongst your funerals? I am also looking for the death of the father of these 2 men, also a James Rae, who lived at Windermere in Victoria, but when his wife died in 1891, no more trace of him. I wonder if he followed his sons to NSW. Thank you again. Margaret

Gosford Times 17 Jan 1935 Mt White telephone Mr S L GARDNER, MHR, has receiving the following letter from the Acting Deputy Director of Posts & Telegraphs :- The further request conveyed by you from the Mount White Progress Association Hon. sec.Mr C A BANKS,'Tanderra', Mt White via Mooney Mooney will have attention and you will be communicated with at an early date Mr W. TERRY, tailor is now installed in his new premises in Sterland's Building , Mann St Mr Clive EVATT, a city barrister, passed thru Gosford last Monday on his way to Avoca, where he is holidaying with friends MargM Central Coast List Admin