Hi Gwen, Thanks for this information. So the bad blood was between Hargraves snr's son and John Taaffe. That's a new revelation as I had always thought it was with Hargraves snr. I had heard that the fight at the pub was some years after the shooting. cheers, David G Dundon wrote On 31/03/06 10:25 AM,: > Hello David, > > John Taaffe is mentioned briefly in "Lake Macquarie: Past and > Present" published by LMc City Council in 1958, but guess you have > seen that small book? > > Taaffe is also mentioned a number of times in the Brisbane Water Bench > Books and Court Cases: 1826-74 (see Gosford City Library local studies > sections for microfilm or the index prepared and published by Gosford > Local History Study Group - now defunct - under the title 'Historical > Records of the Central Coast of NSW' in 1990. This book is now doubt > to be located in a number of libraries. > > In his book "Blue Gum Flat to Budegewoi", the late Charles Swancott > mentioned on page 207, the charging on 14.2.1861 of Edward John > Hargraves of Bungaree Norah (Noraville) with shooting a mare on the > property of John Taaffe. Evidence was given in the case by James > Frost of Cabbage Tree, James Armitage of Lake Macquarie, James > Batchelor of Lake Macquarie, James Freeman Jr of Wyee, Thomas Boyd of > Lake Macquarie and Frederick Chaney of Lake Macquarie. Details of the > case are then related. > > Edward John Hargraves was the son of Edward Hammond Hargraves, the man > whose name is connected with the discovery of payable gold in NSW. > > Best wishes, Gwen > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > For other AUS mailing lists check out: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS > --

Does anyone know what became of these old pubs in the Cooranbong area ? I went for a drive around there a while ago and I can't remember seeing any pubs at all....which I must say I thought was very odd......almost un-Australian in fact ! My interest stems from an ancestor of mine, John Taaffe, of Swansea who had a run in with Edward H Hargraves. I heard that there was even a court appearance after an incident at a Cooranbong hotel (don't know which one). BTW - I think John Taaffe might have been a licencee of a pub at Swansea. Would anyone have any information on that ? regards, David G Dundon wrote On 31/03/06 07:03 AM,: > Thanks for typing up those refs from 'Reid's Mistake' by K. Clouten, > Margaret. Pam has her own copy of the book I think. > > Last night I looked up my possibly incomplete licensing notes on the > HEART AND HAND hotel at Cooranbong, and they are as follows: > > James O'NEILL was licensee of the HEART AND HAND HOTEL from 1.7.1876 > to 30.6.1877, when he became licensee of the CRICKETERS HOME INN, also > at Cooranbong (this was not new - John O'LEARY was licensee in 1869, > and perhaps earlier). > > 1877: Edwin COULTER took over the HEART AND HAND, and remained > licensee until 1884. > > Then followed: > > 1885 -1886 George BEVAN > 1887 John T. SMITH > 1888 - 1889 Dennis CULLA > 1890 -1898 William H. SMITH > 1898 to 6June 1900 Thomas CAPPER (did not use the whole of the latter > year's licensing period, and perhaps this was when the pub was finally > delicensed. I do not know). > > These notes were made a long time ago at the Mitchell Library in > Sydney by consulting the Government Gazettes (bound volumes on the > shelves). Look for 'Publicans Licences' in each year's index. I > happened to be looking for particular Gosford hotels at the time, but > jotted down the Coulter connection, since he originated at Brisbane > Water. > > Best regards to all from Gwen > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > A problem aired is a problem shared > --

To the enquirer re the BLACKFORD surname, there are references in the publications Brisbane Water Bench Books and Court Cases, and Swancott's Blue Gum Flat to Budgewoi mentioned in my reply to David Armstrong re TAAFFE and HARGRAVES. Details include inquests, among other important affairs. Gwen

Hello David, John Taaffe is mentioned briefly in "Lake Macquarie: Past and Present" published by LMc City Council in 1958, but guess you have seen that small book? Taaffe is also mentioned a number of times in the Brisbane Water Bench Books and Court Cases: 1826-74 (see Gosford City Library local studies sections for microfilm or the index prepared and published by Gosford Local History Study Group - now defunct - under the title 'Historical Records of the Central Coast of NSW' in 1990. This book is now doubt to be located in a number of libraries. In his book "Blue Gum Flat to Budegewoi", the late Charles Swancott mentioned on page 207, the charging on 14.2.1861 of Edward John Hargraves of Bungaree Norah (Noraville) with shooting a mare on the property of John Taaffe. Evidence was given in the case by James Frost of Cabbage Tree, James Armitage of Lake Macquarie, James Batchelor of Lake Macquarie, James Freeman Jr of Wyee, Thomas Boyd of Lake Macquarie and Frederick Chaney of Lake Macquarie. Details of the case are then related. Edward John Hargraves was the son of Edward Hammond Hargraves, the man whose name is connected with the discovery of payable gold in NSW. Best wishes, Gwen

Thanks for typing up those refs from 'Reid's Mistake' by K. Clouten, Margaret. Pam has her own copy of the book I think. Last night I looked up my possibly incomplete licensing notes on the HEART AND HAND hotel at Cooranbong, and they are as follows: James O'NEILL was licensee of the HEART AND HAND HOTEL from 1.7.1876 to 30.6.1877, when he became licensee of the CRICKETERS HOME INN, also at Cooranbong (this was not new - John O'LEARY was licensee in 1869, and perhaps earlier). 1877: Edwin COULTER took over the HEART AND HAND, and remained licensee until 1884. Then followed: 1885 -1886 George BEVAN 1887 John T. SMITH 1888 - 1889 Dennis CULLA 1890 -1898 William H. SMITH 1898 to 6June 1900 Thomas CAPPER (did not use the whole of the latter year's licensing period, and perhaps this was when the pub was finally delicensed. I do not know). These notes were made a long time ago at the Mitchell Library in Sydney by consulting the Government Gazettes (bound volumes on the shelves). Look for 'Publicans Licences' in each year's index. I happened to be looking for particular Gosford hotels at the time, but jotted down the Coulter connection, since he originated at Brisbane Water. Best regards to all from Gwen

Reids Mistake (printed 1967) page 233 On the western side of the Catholic Church, Edwin COULTER established a general store about 1875. With his brother Sam, Edwin owned and operated one or two ketches of the timber cargo fleet, and in those days a general store was a profitable concern if you possessed your own means of importing stock. About 1880 Edwin COULTER turned his business to greater profit by erecting a two-storied hotel which he christened the Heart and Hand. This and O'NEIL's Cricketer's Arms were the two hotels mentioned in a description of the town in 1883. The Heart and Hand was pulled down after the railway boom, and a house now standing on the site is said to contain some of the timber from the old hotel. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hi Pam, Gwen and List I had the Reid's Mistake book at home, so have typed up relevant entries. Page 220 Samuel and Edwin COULTER operated a small fleet of ships in partnership with the BLACKFORD family, who also resided at Cooranbong. Two years before the "Emily and Mary" was launched, the two families were together operating at least four vessels on Lake Macquarie. Two of these craft, the "Maggie Scott" and the "Queen", seem to have been utilized mainly in taking hardwood from Cooranbong to Newcastle. Two other small ketches, named "Star of Peace" (17 tons) and "Sea Gull", made regular trips to Sydney with oak shingles, the cargo averaging approximately 65,000 shingles for each boat. The "Sea Gull" met with an untimely end in the spring of 1876, while endeavouring to cross the Lake entrance bar. ..more...... All hands on board the craft were drowned. If anyone has an interest with the Blackford family I know a young man who would appreciate some extra relatives. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hello Pam and MargaretB, Sorry, can't help at the moment re the HEART AND HAND HOTEL and the Coulter brothers in this connection, but will have a search when I am over next week - flat to the boards at present. Think there are some references in Keith H. Clouten's book 'Reid's Mistake' (Lake Macquarie Shire Council 1967) but you are probably aware of those. My copy seems to be out on loan to someone as I have gone cross-eyed looking for it in the book shelves. The naming of pubs - well, probably they were called after similar establishments in Britain, and maybe not. Similar names do ring a bell from time to time. Regards, Gwen

Hello Gwen, Any information for Margaret or I ? PamC (nee COULTER) Blue Mtns, NSW. Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargaretB" <mbergies@kooee.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [ANCC] The Old Inns > Hi Pam > > I know no more then what is in the article. > > Would be interesting to find out why it was named "Heart and Hand" > > MargaretB > Lake Macquarie > NSW Australia > > <snip > Did the COULTER's once own/lease the Heart and Hand ? > >snip > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > A problem aired is a problem shared >

Hi Pam I know no more then what is in the article. Would be interesting to find out why it was named "Heart and Hand" MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia <snip Did the COULTER's once own/lease the Heart and Hand ? >snip

Hello MargaretB, The item you mentioned about the old inns probably came from the "Tuggerah Lakes Advocate" in 1979. The item is a direct quote from p. 125 the first of the late Edward Stinson's Wyong Shire history books. He had been contributing history articles to that newspaper for five years before launching his first publication. It was called "A Pictorial History of the Wyong Shire" Volume One, and was published and distributed by Wyong Shire Council in 1979. The others followed at regular intervals and some of them are still in print and can be obtained from Wyong Museum and Historical Society. Two inns mentioned in the item and pictured in the book, were Woodbury's Inn at Wyong Creek (pp 95-7), and Wamsley's Traveller's Rest at Blue Gum Flat (Ourimbah) on p.125. I took the photos used of the derelict remains of Woodbury's, and the picture of the other inn is a well-known one which originated with the Government Printer's office in Sydney (it had the generic title "Wayside Inn" printed on it). I believe plans are in hand to build a replica of Matthew James Woodbury's Inn as a tourist and educational attraction. The remains of it were demolished many years ago because of the dangerous condition, and the location turned into a park at the corner of Old Maitland Road and Yarramalong Road next to Woodbury's Bridge on Wyong Creek. Tall Timbers Hotel at Ourimbah stands on the site of the Traveller's Rest. The late Edward Stinson was a retired school master who devoted his last years to researching Wyong Shire with unlimited enthusiasm. Much of its history had been known to him all his life, and without his tremendous work on the books, a great deal of it would have been lost forever. As he used to say, "I was very privileged to have known the last of the pioneers, and listened to their stories even as a small boy" . Born in 1912, he was the son of Thomas Stinson and Elizabeth, nee Taylor. His grandfather was Hamilton Stinson of Yarramalong. Gwen

Dear list I have found an old photocopy of a newspaper article written about the old inns in the district. There is no date on the article and I would like to know who it was written by, when it was published and in which newspaper. If anyone wants copies of the photo I will scan and send privately, but be warned it is not very clear. The article itself I have typed up and is posted below. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia THE OLD INNS _ The Old Maitland Road linking the Brisbane Water area with the Hunter Valley was surveyed probably about 1840, and as travellers increased in numbers with the passing of the years, inns sprang up to cater for their needs and for the needs of their animals. They wanted food and drink and shelter and rest, and the inns provided for them. The old licensing records show that in the 1880's there were local inns at Blue Gum Flat, Travellers Rest, A.A.E. WALMSLEY; Wyong Creek, Wyong Hotel, Mathew James WOODBURY; Wyee, Wyee Hotel, Hannah BRIDGE; Yarramalong, Yarramalong Hotel, William WATERS; Mandalong, Mandalong Hotel, William TOBIN; Cooranbong, Heart and Hand Hotel, George BEVAN; Cooranbong, Commercial Hotel, Thomas HEALEY; Cooranbong, Royal Hotel, Henry DAUNT; Wyong Creek, Bridge Hotel, Edward GARTH. This interesting picture of The Travellers Rest Hotel at Blue Gum Flat was taken in the 1890's when Alfred WAMSLEY was licensee. Note: The WAMSLEY Family originally spelt their name WALMSLEY. Our picture is from Edward STINSON's "A Pictorial History of the Wyong Shire, Volume 1," now available at the council chambers, newsagents and the Advocate office. The STINSON histories would make ideal birthday and christmas presents. ---------------

Gosford Times 15 Nov 1928 For sale : Cabbage plants 2/6 per hundred , J BROWN, Jun, Maitland Road, Ourimbah, phone 53 For Sale - One bay filly , broken into sulky and saddle ; price £5 , apply X JAQUES, Ourimbah Creek Wanted to buy : Bicycle in good order and condition . State price and particulars to D SETTREE , Davistown Notice to all agents - That my property at Ourimbah has been withdrawn from sale . H D MORRIS, Ourimbah MargM Central Coast List Admin

Hi Gwen Congratulations, you scored a 10, Gold for Gwen. MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Australia

Hello Judy, It occurs to me, reading your Posting, that parts of the movie could have been shot in the Forresters Beach area which is near enough to Wamberal, and may have been referred to by that name. Lots of flat land in that location, part of which could have been the "Common" mentioned as being where the scenes were filmed. Gwen

I can remember as a child, there was an airstrip off in the scrub somewhere near Foresters Beach. Never went there though! Judy born and bred central Coast type! > >From the Guardian newspaper 30 Oct 1952 > > Air Taxi service will soon be operating from > The Entrance and Wyong if there are enough travellers > > The Sydney Air Taxi with a 3 passenger plane are seeking to re-open a > portion of the old Entrance air strip on the Gosford Road ( that is approx > opposite where the Bay Village Shopping Centre is now ) > > I wonder if this got off the ground ? > > bye

Re the mentioned airstrips - I believe these emergency strips were built during WW2 all over the place. The one at Woy Woy is marked on some maps, and there was another at Tuggerah just south of the Wyong River. We knew the late Laurie Holmes of Wyong, who told us that he worked with one of the bulldozers on the construction in 1943. PS: I have just taken a triple forward flip from the diving board into my files and come up with a cutting from the Central Coast Express of 24.2.1993 p.28 telling the story of the construction in an interview by Alison Cartmill with Laurie Holmes. The best-known strip was probably the one in the area south of The Entrance High School. I can recall as far back as 1958 when small planes were taking people up for joy flights there - as one drove along The Entrance Road, the aircraft could be seen taking off and landing quite close by. It was very popular as a weekend attraction. Back in the 1934, a movie called "Splendid Fellows" made by J.C. Williamson Pictures, and directed by Beaumont Smith, used some scenes shot on "Wamberal Common". The film starred Frank Leighton, and there was a special appearance by Charles Kingsford-Smith (whose sister Mrs Winifred Sealby lived at Saratoga). Perhaps someone knows if this was one and the same with what became the wartime strip along The Entrance Road? Regards to all, Gwen

Hi Marg, You've just revived an old memory. There was a small airstrip at Tuggerah around the area you spoke of very near the Cricket Ground as I recall. This would be around the time of the mid 1960's when we played cricket on that ground. I don't recall it being in use at that time. I'm pretty sure it was a reddish Gravel or clay construction. Regards, Ted Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ANCC] Airstrips > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra & David" <sdbales@gmail.com> > To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:58 PM > Subject: [ANCC] Airstrips > > > > Seeing Marg's item about airstrips near Bateau Bay > > reminds me of when I first arrived on the Coast to begin > > teaching in the Woy Woy area in 1970. I was lead to > > believe that the reddish gravel that was prominent at > > the time parallel to Trafalgar Ave near Waterloo Ave was > > the remains of an old airstrip. > > Hi David > I havent tripped over any ref to any air strip around Woy > Woy........... Has the right terrain for such ! I am told > there was one near in Tuggarah close to the Pacific > Hway/Tuggarah Straight and another in Narara somewhere > > You never know what jem youre about to find in these old > newspapers > > Bye > > > MargM > Central Coast > List Admin > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > If you find a good source of Central Coast info , let us all know

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra & David" <sdbales@gmail.com> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: [ANCC] Airstrips > Seeing Marg's item about airstrips near Bateau Bay > reminds me of when I first arrived on the Coast to begin > teaching in the Woy Woy area in 1970. I was lead to > believe that the reddish gravel that was prominent at > the time parallel to Trafalgar Ave near Waterloo Ave was > the remains of an old airstrip. Hi David I havent tripped over any ref to any air strip around Woy Woy........... Has the right terrain for such ! I am told there was one near in Tuggarah close to the Pacific Hway/Tuggarah Straight and another in Narara somewhere You never know what jem youre about to find in these old newspapers Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Seeing Marg's item about airstrips near Bateau Bay reminds me of when I first arrived on the Coast to begin teaching in the Woy Woy area in 1970. I was lead to believe that the reddish gravel that was prominent at the time parallel to Trafalgar Ave near Waterloo Ave was the remains of an old airstrip. Is this in fact correct and if so when was this strip operational? David