There are descendants of a man of this surname in the Gosford district of NSW, I think. The Haynes-Lovell family I am thinking of married into the pioneer ROSS family of Webb Street, East Gosford (George and Elizabeth "Granny" Ross). Someone might be able to put you in touch with a ROSS-BARTLETT researcher who could possibly help. Gwen

I am looking for the children of the above who was known as Donald Cameron b 1908 and married in Brisbane to ? Donald had a brother Damien, two sisters, Daphne and Peggy all born around 1890-1910. Donald had at least two children I would dearly love to contact, they would now be in their 60s. Pam

Dear Listers, I wondered if anyone had any info on this place ? Where was it ? It was a construction camp for workers building the railway line TIA Bye Marg Morters NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Jackson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 14 January 2001 16:25 Subject: To Marg - Grigg 1911 hi Julie > Hope you had a great Christmas/New Year Yes we did, thanks........ .... sorry I didn't get back to > you... (I thought I sent you one about the Inverell Family History) actually I get alot of mail . Doesnt any ring bells off hand > > My maternal grandmother's parents were:- > > Charles G Grigg and Mary Harriett Small - married 1885 (Camden) > I dont think they lived in this area for that long as Chas B GRIIG d at Bulli > Their Children:- (All registered Camden except Violet) > Charlie 1888 - died 1905 > Henry J 1886 > Annie 1890 (My grandmother) - married Sydney Austin Haynes 1912 > Esther G 1892 m at Camden > Richard N 1898 > Clarence L 1904 m at Parramatta > Violet 1911 (Gosford) m at Refern Perhaps the family moved here as the father got a paticular job ? Any clue of Violets birth cert ?? Where where they living then ? > > My Griggs don't appear to have moved to the area until after 1904.... > perhaps the ones you list below are relatives. > I dunno dont have time to check such .............. >Could check cemetery records then There one GRIGG buried at Point Clare , Jane Elizabeth d 28 Aug 1986 Bye Marg Morters NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected] >

Hello Judy The address I gave you is for all Australian WW2 records. The address for all Australian WW1 records is: WW1 Personnel Records Service Australian Archives PO Box 7425 Canberra Mail Centre ACT 2610 When I applied for my father's WW2 records there were no charges involved (about 18 months ago) however I was told recently that charges now apply. Happy researching PamC -----Original Message----- From: Judy Rowe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: To Marg - Grigg 1911 >Hi Pam >Re the address on your email..Is this for all WW2 records aor only >Victorian??? > >Thank you for your time >Judy Rowe >Qld >----- Original Message ----- >From: "pam clarke" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 8:37 PM >Subject: Re: To Marg - Grigg 1911 > > >> Hello Julie >> >> Did you know you could apply to receive your father's WW2 papers ? >> Address: Defense Personnel Executive >> GPO box 393D >> Melbourne 3001 >> >> Tel: (03) 9282 4999 (03) 9282 6235 >> >> Regards PamC (nee Coulter) >> Beautiful Blue Mountains >> NSW Australia >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Julie Jackson <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 4:47 PM >> Subject: To Marg - Grigg 1911 >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >> learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >> http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >> >> > > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "VivandTony" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 17 January 2001 12:45 Subject: [Fwd: Haynes-Lovell] > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------0CBBB59582C7118A859EE4E8 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tony The reason for all the gobble de gook print is that you have your email program set of rich text/HTML which is normally used for extra fancey printing and web pages . It should NOT be used for posting messages to rootswebs mailing list t see http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/html-off.html > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Haynes-Lovell > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Also its prefered that you dont cross post > Hi Listers > I'm searching the family of Robert Haynes Lovell b 28 Dec 1825 > Barbados. died 1903 1 Prospect Pl Barnstaple UK > He married as Robert [ Haynes ] to Harriet Kendall Inglis 4 Apr 1854 > at Brydekirk Dumfries Scotland > > Charles Booker Haynes Lovell b 16 Mar 1865 Underwood House Bootle > Cumberland d 1937 Kingsford Australia Did he marry here and have any children ?? > Charles Booker Haynes Lovell was my G'father came or was sent to > Australia in mid 1880s > I would like to hear from anyone who can help with this family or if > there are any of this family alive. If there any are here , they all have un listed phone numbers ! NSW BDM records have been on line for close on 3 years www.bdm.nsw.gov.au There are other records in many libraries like the Sands PO directories Newspapers on film . Do you know what his occupation was ? Where he lived? Did he own the property ? What connection do this family have to the Central Coast of NSW ?? Bye Marg Morters List Owner NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected]

Hi Pam Re the address on your email..Is this for all WW2 records aor only Victorian??? Thank you for your time Judy Rowe Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam clarke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: To Marg - Grigg 1911 > Hello Julie > > Did you know you could apply to receive your father's WW2 papers ? > Address: Defense Personnel Executive > GPO box 393D > Melbourne 3001 > > Tel: (03) 9282 4999 (03) 9282 6235 > > Regards PamC (nee Coulter) > Beautiful Blue Mountains > NSW Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie Jackson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 4:47 PM > Subject: To Marg - Grigg 1911 > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Hi Gwen Help please...You said in your email "in the RGO's index to BDM" would you please tell me what the RGO means Thanking you Regards Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Dundon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Dr Frank Kendrick > Dear Listers, > > Some interest has been expressed in the subject of doctors who were in > practice in the Gosford district of NSW in earlier days. I have always been > interested in the tragic history of Dr Frank Kendrick and his family, and > thought I would share what little I have with you. > > Firstly from the Aldine Centennial History of NSW, by W.F. Morrison (1888), > Gosford profiles, Vol 2: > > "Dr Frank Kendrick, L.S.A., London, was born in 1861 in Staffordshire > [England] and received his education at Cheltenham College, Gloucestershire, > and graduated at the London Hospital. He remained there for about five > years, and for a short period of time practised as a physician at Codsall in > Staffordshire. In 1886 he arrived in Sydney and for some time acted as > assistant to his brother-in-law, Dr Hozier of Windsor. He then located > himself in Gosford where he served as assistant surgeon to Dr Calder, which > position he still holds. He is medical officer to the local lodge of > Oddfellows, and medical referee to the Australian United Fire Insurance Coy > (Accident Branch). Dr Kendrick belongs to the Church of England." > > In the RGO's Index to Births, Deaths & Marriages we find that Kendrick > married Catherine M. MacDermott in 1888 (reg. no. 529). Children born to > them (those found) were Dermot H. Kendrick b. 1888, Frank D. Kendrick 1889 > and Rupert Royston Kendrick born 1893 who died 29.11.1893, two months after > his father's death. > > Both the older boys died in 1890. There is no record of their burials at > Bradys Gully Cemetery in Gosford where Dr Frank Kendrick was buried, so > perhaps they died in Sydney? I have not checked out that point. > > The following entry was noted in the Death Notices of the "Sydney Morning > Herald" issue of 28.9.1893: > > KENDRICK: September 25, at his residence, Bilbrooke Villa, Gosford, Dr > Frank Jones Kendrick, aged 34 years, third son of the late David Kendrick of > Oxley Hall, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire England". It was mentioned in the > Gosford Notes of the SMH on 26 September, that the doctor had died suddenly. > > The tragic deaths of her husband and children must have been too much for > Mrs Kendrick's mind. She spent two years in psychiatric care prior to > taking employment in 1900 as a governess at North Sydney ( one can only > imagine the anguish she must have suffered in the teaching of someone > else's children). > > She had been in her employment for some months when one day she met a > friend by arrangement and they visited Coogee Bay. In the course of > general conversation while they were walking along the tops of the cliffs, > her friend made a remark about the apparent loneliness of a seagull. She > said, "Yes, it does look lonely, and so am I!" With that she flung down her > parasol and plunged over the cliffs, falling about 90 ft to the rocks. She > was badly mutilated. The coroner's verdict was "suicide while suffering > mental depression". The terrible happening caused a sensation in Gosford > where both she and her late husband had made many friends. > (ref: "The Gosford Times issue, 24 Aug, 1900). > > Regards, > Gwen > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Sorry, I am unable to help you- as far as I know I don't have any Haynes-Lovells in the family. Regards PamC -----Original Message----- From: VivandTony <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: [Fwd: Haynes-Lovell] >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--------------0CBBB59582C7118A859EE4E8 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >--------------0CBBB59582C7118A859EE4E8 >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline > >X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:00:01 +1100 >From: VivandTony <[email protected]> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (Win98; I) >X-Accept-Language: en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> >Subject: Haynes-Lovell >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi Listers >I'm searching the family of Robert Haynes Lovell b 28 Dec 1825 >Barbados. died 1903 1 Prospect Pl Barnstaple UK >He married as Robert [ Haynes ] to Harriet Kendall Inglis 4 Apr 1854 >at Brydekirk Dumfries Scotland >They lived at Fremington in 1871 >They were at 166 Boutport St Barnstaple some time before 1881. Robert >Lovell was a retired Maj in the Haddington Artillery >The children were >Charles Booker Haynes Lovell b 16 Mar 1865 Underwood House Bootle >Cumberland d 1937 Kingsford Australia >Norah Haynes Lovell >Mary Lee Haynes Lovell b Scotland >Ellen Gordan Haynes Lovell >Nellie Haynes Lovell >Annie Douglas Haynes Lovell >Henry Hunter Haynes Lovell >Robert Haynes Lovell b1857 St Mary's Cottage Dunns Castle Berwickshire d >1927 >Charles Booker Haynes Lovell was my G'father came or was sent to >Australia in mid 1880s >I would like to hear from anyone who can help with this family or if >there are any of this family alive.It has taken 60 years to ask this. >Many Thanks >Tony Haynes-Lovell >New South Wales >Australia > > > >--------------0CBBB59582C7118A859EE4E8-- > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Do you know anything about Esther Fernance who married a Thomas Beaven ? I have very sketchy details as I have only just found out about an Esther Fernance being related to the family by the marriage of Mary Ann Coulter (daughter of Edwin Coulter, Brisbane Water) a George Beaven. Regards PamC -----Original Message----- From: margm <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Anzac Ave, Wyong > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Daniel and Bridgette" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: 11 January 2001 05:38 >Subject: Another fencesitter! > > Hi Daniel > >> > I am another fencesitter who watches with great interest every >post throughthe >> list. Unfortunately I don't get a great deal of time to research >my family >> history, although I spend as much time as I can doing so. >> >I dunno if anyone as replied,.They havent to list...... Been >carrying a copy of this around with me for a few days. >> My interests from the central coast area include: >> >> BOWCOCK [Gosford and Wyong] >> GOLDSMITH [Wyong]and others include BRIDGE, FERNANCE and STERNBECK > >All well known families . What info do you / dont you have ?? > > >> I recently received a WW1 dossier for a relative which showed the >home address >> of his family as 'Roslyn', Hill Street, Wyong. All current maps I >have looked >> at don't show a Hill Street in Wyong. Does anybody have any idea >where this > Its now Anzac Ave , which starts are the Pacific Hwy ( Railway St) >runs parallel with Alison Rd ad joins it further up >> street was/is, or how I might find out more about the location of >the home? > >Its a fairly long road . .Abit hard to find to find without a house >number > Wyong is a fairly sleepy place , hasnt changed a lot > >You might have to search land title records at the LTO Sydney to >find its DP number and then check with Wyong Council as to who owns >it now and what building is on it > >bye > Marg Morters > NSW Central Coast Mailing List > Gosford, NSW > Australia >[email protected] > > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Maitland Family History Group Inc has available on CD Rom Morpeth Catholic Cemetery Head Stone Photos pre 1993 (Hunter Valley NSW). Containing aprox 960 Photos of Headstones and inscriptions.The CD uses a web page format and is viewed through a browser. Cost $35 Aud Postage included within Australia. ALSO available on CD Rom Morpeth Church of England Cemetery Head Stone Photos pre 1993 (Hunter Valley NSW). Containing aprox 600 Photos of Headstones and inscriptions.The CD uses a web page format and is viewed through a browser. Cost $35 Aud Postage included within Australia. ALSO available on CD Members Interests for 2000 : Cost $11 Aud Postage included within Australia. You can see a sample of the CD,s on our web site at http://atlas.spaceports.com/~mfhc/ Tony Duggan [email protected] Maitland Family History Circle (Inc.) P.O. Box 247 Maitland N.S.W. 2320 http://atlas.spaceports.com/~mfhc/

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0CBBB59582C7118A859EE4E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------0CBBB59582C7118A859EE4E8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:00:01 +1100 From: VivandTony <[email protected]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Haynes-Lovell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Listers I'm searching the family of Robert Haynes Lovell b 28 Dec 1825 Barbados. died 1903 1 Prospect Pl Barnstaple UK He married as Robert [ Haynes ] to Harriet Kendall Inglis 4 Apr 1854 at Brydekirk Dumfries Scotland They lived at Fremington in 1871 They were at 166 Boutport St Barnstaple some time before 1881. Robert Lovell was a retired Maj in the Haddington Artillery The children were Charles Booker Haynes Lovell b 16 Mar 1865 Underwood House Bootle Cumberland d 1937 Kingsford Australia Norah Haynes Lovell Mary Lee Haynes Lovell b Scotland Ellen Gordan Haynes Lovell Nellie Haynes Lovell Annie Douglas Haynes Lovell Henry Hunter Haynes Lovell Robert Haynes Lovell b1857 St Mary's Cottage Dunns Castle Berwickshire d 1927 Charles Booker Haynes Lovell was my G'father came or was sent to Australia in mid 1880s I would like to hear from anyone who can help with this family or if there are any of this family alive.It has taken 60 years to ask this. Many Thanks Tony Haynes-Lovell New South Wales Australia --------------0CBBB59582C7118A859EE4E8--

----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel and Bridgette" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 11 January 2001 05:38 Subject: Another fencesitter! Hi Daniel > > I am another fencesitter who watches with great interest every post throughthe > list. Unfortunately I don't get a great deal of time to research my family > history, although I spend as much time as I can doing so. > I dunno if anyone as replied,.They havent to list...... Been carrying a copy of this around with me for a few days. > My interests from the central coast area include: > > BOWCOCK [Gosford and Wyong] > GOLDSMITH [Wyong]and others include BRIDGE, FERNANCE and STERNBECK All well known families . What info do you / dont you have ?? > I recently received a WW1 dossier for a relative which showed the home address > of his family as 'Roslyn', Hill Street, Wyong. All current maps I have looked > at don't show a Hill Street in Wyong. Does anybody have any idea where this Its now Anzac Ave , which starts are the Pacific Hwy ( Railway St) runs parallel with Alison Rd ad joins it further up > street was/is, or how I might find out more about the location of the home? Its a fairly long road . .Abit hard to find to find without a house number Wyong is a fairly sleepy place , hasnt changed a lot You might have to search land title records at the LTO Sydney to find its DP number and then check with Wyong Council as to who owns it now and what building is on it bye Marg Morters NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Dundon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 14 January 2001 16:41 Subject: Gosford district doctors Dear Gwen > You suggested that Listers might like to contribute to a list of doctors who > have practised in the Central Coast area - Gosford and Wyong districts of > NSW say, or farther afield? A scratch around in my files revealed some > names which I am including here. > > A number of the doctors listed briefly below came to Gosford to work > temporarily with the noted Dr Sidney Fielder (father-in-law of Dr J.H. Paul > of Gosford). Paul's Corner at the south end of Mann St Gosford is named > after the latter. > > An obituary for Mrs Jessie Lang, nee Wyper, who died in 1931, six years > Woy. > > In most cases but not all, I have only a very brief note about the person, > but if anyone is interested please contact me. Haven't checked out my death > certs yet. > Youre a mine of info Gwen ........ Really appreciate all this > I believe the NSW Medical Board has directories for 1842 and 1860 only (or > did in 1981) but I don't know if entries from them are available to the > public. Maybe the State Library or Archives has copies. > The main bulk of general medical board historic info is out at Kingswood > > Doctors noted (list repeated after this in date order): > > AULD Robert Thomas 1841 Gosford district That really fattens up my Gosford Medicos file . Will be going out to Kingswood next time the CC FHS go Bye Marg Morters NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected]

Dear DPSers First get together for 2001 will be on the 2nd Saturday 10 th February 1.00 pm for 1.30pm start at the Central Coast FHS library, Russell Drysdale St East Gosford Its been decided to change the day to Saturday and see how this goes . Cant be any worse than Sundays :-) Anyone interested in computers and genealogy more than welcome to come along . We just have a chat about all sort of things to do with our hobby and have a cuppa . Can learn alot from such an exchange These will be a door charge of $3 for CC FHS members and $5 for non members. Hope to see you there Marg Morters Central Coast DPS Gosford NSW Australia

Hello Julie Did you know you could apply to receive your father's WW2 papers ? Address: Defense Personnel Executive GPO box 393D Melbourne 3001 Tel: (03) 9282 4999 (03) 9282 6235 Regards PamC (nee Coulter) Beautiful Blue Mountains NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: Julie Jackson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 4:47 PM Subject: To Marg - Grigg 1911

Dear Marg Morters, You suggested that Listers might like to contribute to a list of doctors who have practised in the Central Coast area - Gosford and Wyong districts of NSW say, or farther afield? A scratch around in my files revealed some names which I am including here. The dates given are simply to put the doctor concerned in the district at least in that year. Sometimes the date represents the first year of practice where it is known, or the birth of a first child. In some instances it is simply the year the name was noted in my own researches. I will have to type up all the refs in what detail I have for a main listing. A number of the doctors listed briefly below came to Gosford to work temporarily with the noted Dr Sidney Fielder (father-in-law of Dr J.H. Paul of Gosford). Paul's Corner at the south end of Mann St Gosford is named after the latter. An obituary for Mrs Jessie Lang, nee Wyper, who died in 1931, six years after relinquishing her practice prior to her marrige to the Rev. J.W. Stewart Lang, who was at the time the Presbyterian Minister of the Gosford charge, states that she was the second doctor to practice in Woy Woy. In most cases but not all, I have only a very brief note about the person, but if anyone is interested please contact me. Haven't checked out my death certs yet. I believe the NSW Medical Board has directories for 1842 and 1860 only (or did in 1981) but I don't know if entries from them are available to the public. Maybe the State Library or Archives has copies. Regards to all, Gwen Doctors noted (list repeated after this in date order): AULD Robert Thomas 1841 Gosford district BENSON Barker Joseph 1845 Gosford district BISHOP A.E. Kemp 1905 Gosford DALGAIRNS 1878 pre Gosford district DUNCAN George Weston 1916 Gosford EWINGTON 1882 Gosford district FIELDER Sidney 1895 pre Gosford GORRICK 1892 Gosford district GRIFFITHS Ada 1906 Gosford HARRIS 1875 Gosford district HERBERT 1883 Gosford KENDRICK Frank 1890 pre Gosford LANG Mrs Jessie (see WYPER) 1925 pre Woy Woy LAVERY 1901 East Gosford LAWSON George L. 1880 East Gosford (drowned from small boat) LOANE Richard Boyle 1844 East Gosford PAUL James Hogg 1907? Gosford ROGERS Robert Bell 1842 East Gosford SCOTT Loveridge 1906 Woy Woy VERNON E. 1906 pre Gosford WALPOLE G.A. 1911 Gosford WYPER Jessie Jardine (see LANG) 1925pre Woy Woy Same in date order: AULD Robert Thomas 1841 Gosford district ROGERS Robert Bell 1842 East Gosford LOANE Richard Boyle 1844 East Gosford BENSON Barker Joseph 1845 Gosford district HARRIS 1875 Gosford district DALGAIRNS 1878 pre Gosford district LAWSON George L. 1880 East Gosford (drowned from small boat) EWINGTON 1882 Gosford district HERBERT 1883 Gosford KENDRICK Frank 1890 pre Gosford GORRICK 1892 Gosford district FIELDER Sidney 1895 pre Gosford LAVERY 1901 East Gosford BISHOP A.E. Kemp 1905 Gosford GRIFFITHS Ada 1906 Gosford SCOTT Loveridge 1906 Woy Woy VERNON E. 1906 pre Gosford PAUL James Hogg 1907? Gosford WALPOLE G.A. 1911 Gosford DUNCAN George Weston 1916 Gosford LANG Mrs Jessie (see WYPER) 1925 pre Woy Woy WYPER Jessie Jardine (see LANG) 1925pre Woy Woy

Dear Marg Hope you had a great Christmas/New Year.... sorry I didn't get back to you... (I thought I sent you one about the Inverell Family History) actually I think some of my emails went astray ( I am in the process of changing my email address as using the hotmail one for the newsgroup is almost impossible to logically send return email. And keep track of what I have received. This is my new email address - [email protected] I had a busier than expected Christmas! which was a pleasant surprise and didn't get the time I expected to visit the library. My maternal grandmother's parents were:- Charles G Grigg and Mary Harriett Small - married 1885 (Camden) Their Children:- (All registered Camden except Violet) Charlie 1888 - died 1905 Henry J 1886 Annie 1890 (My grandmother) - married Sydney Austin Haynes 1912 Esther G 1892 Richard N 1898 Clarence L 1904 Violet 1911 (Gosford) My Griggs don't appear to have moved to the area until after 1904.... perhaps the ones you list below are relatives. > >I have the surname indexes for the 1891 & 1901 census for Brisbane > >Water at home . In 1891 there was a GRIGG household in Narara, > >comprising of 6 males and 4 females > > > >In 1901 theres record of Elizabeth GRIGG , Railway crossing, Narara > >, 4 males and 4 females . And of H GRIGG of Erina , 2 males 2 > >females > > > >The CC FHS library re opens Monday after the Christmas break. Could > >check cemetery records then > > > >I did offer to check these censuses for you a good month ago and > >that Gosford was within the electorate of Wollumbi at that time > >and films were at the NSW State Library but for reasons unknown you > >didnt reply I didn't ask you to persue the Haynes stuff because I have written to an Uncle who may possess the information..... but as yet I haven't heard back from him... but after looking closer at the info I had, I discovered that my grandmother must have moved to the area with her family (I for some reason thought that they still lived in the Camden area) and thought I would continue looking along that line. I didn't make it to the State Library over my break (it would have been the Queensland one - as I live on the Redcliffe Penninsular -30km north of Brisbane) but I did manage to send off a few letters, one to enquire about my fathers involvement in the WWII and others to family members. Thanks heaps for all your help. Julie

Hi all From a 1914 school text book Geography of NSW by J H Taylor there is an interesting section on Broken Bay. <Broken Bay: In Hawkesworth (vol. iii.,p507) we read that at sunset on 7th May 1770, 'Some broken land that seemed to form a bay, bore N 40 degrees W., distant 4 leagues. This bay, which lies in latitude 33 degrees 42', I called Broken Bay." The appropriateness of this name as applied to the Hawkesbury mouth is generally admitted. But, as it is pointed out by the editor of the 'Historical Records of New South Wales': "The rate at which the vessel was travelling, the latitude Cook assigned to the bay, and the relative positions of Bobtany, Port Jackson, and Broken Bay on Cook's chart all prove conclusively that the broken land Cook saw could not have been more than seven or eith miles north of Port Jackson. Further, when Cook saw this broken land bearing N 40 degrees W, he was about 7-1/2 miles from the shore, and not many miles north of Port Jackson. From this position the land at the mouth of the Hawkesbury neither appears broken nor like a bay, and its bearing would be more northerly that that given. From this, and the fact that it would be late at night before the Endeavour got abreast of the Hawkesbury there can be little doubt that the 'broken land like a bay' was the in the vicinity of Narrabeen Lagoon." Governor Phillip, who explored the coast district between Port Jackson and the Hawkesbury, evidently took it for granted that the mouth of the latter was Cook's Broken Bay. Flinders was the first to notice that the position of the Hawkesbury mouth did not agree with that assigned to Broken Bay by Cook's chart.> Rhonda Paine, Central Mangrove.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Dundon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 13 January 2001 12:04 Subject: Brisbane Water > At the risk of everyone shouting at me to get off and give someone else a > go, I MUST moan about this: > > Please, when you are speaking or writing about Brisbane Water there is > actually no final "s" on Water! > Hi Gwen Oh dear ........ I must plead guilty to this 'crime' :-) It sought of just rolls off the tongue or the key board , like Sylvania WaterS > Historically, Brisbane Water is the correct name of this arm of Broken Bay > just above Sydney. I can just visualise Gwen gritting her teeth every time she hears/sees this:-)) I will try to desist and not put any S where there shouldnt be one Thanks for bringing this up I wonder why there isnt an S and why is a water and not a lake ??? ......aka Tuggarah Lake Bye MargM