Dear Marg Thanks so much for your reply. Your willingness to help us all is greatly appreciated. I will be happy to receive whatever you can find - whenever you are able to get rountuit (as you put it). William's death certificate lists him as being buried at Point Frederick on 27 Nov 1861 (Undertaker - George Ingram). However a reply from Gwen Dundon indicated his name wasn't in the book created when the cemetery became the Pioneer Park in the 1970's?? I would really appreciate a lookup of the Maitland Mercury and coroners report index if you are able. Hope to purchase the "Death in the Hunter" two volume set very soon and will then willingly do lookups for others. I have been able to follow William's wife Bridget, she remarried Patrick Moran in 1863 in Cooranbong, died in 1880 and is buried there. Myrtygh's wife, also a Bridget, remarried Alfred Jarvis in 1891, moved to Newcastle and had two daughters - I vaguely remember meeting these two "old" aunties but of course wasn't interested in finding out about my family then!!! Again, thanks for your help. Regards Ann Musgrave Griffith NSW Australia [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: margm <[email protected]> To: Ann Musgrave <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Researching William Booth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Musgrave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: 06 January 2001 18:10 > Subject: Researching William Booth > > > Hi Ann > Have had a copy of this in my rountoit file for a while . I dont > know if you had any replies yet. Been none to the list > > > My ggg grandfather William Booth was a convict transported to > Tasmania in 1833 for seven years for stealing a copper tea kettle. > He married Bridget Fitzpatrick in Launceston in 1843, they had 4 > children (Thomas William, Jane, Myrtygh and Honora - also known as > Annie) before moving to Peeks Point sometime between March 1850 and > 1855. They had another son William in 1955 who died the same year. > William died in 26 November 1861 and is buried at Point Frederick. > > The CC FHS library only re opened a few days ago after the Xmas > break and I havent had chance to .......... > > In the Pioneer Families of the Brisbane Water District of NSW it > listed William as having held the licence for "The Australia Hotel" > at Peek's Point as well as the licence for Booth's Wharf. I am > unsure of the exact location of both of these places. > > Check into book of these places > > > > William's son Myrtygh Booth (also spelt as Mirtage, Mirtige and > Murtage) was accidently killed by the capsizing of a Timber Truck on > 24 November 1885 at Cooranbong. He was aged 40 years and left a > wife (Bridget Owens) and 10 children. > > Did she stay in the area ? Not much at Cooranbong now apart for > the 7th Day Adventist complex was less in 1885 . If she stayed > more or less put you might do better to try the Hunter Valley list > for that branch of this BOOTH family > > I did checked out the Newcastle Herald this morning for a few days > past 24 Novemeber but nothing found > > > > I would be very interested to hear from anyone researching this > family. I would also like to know of any references I could look up > to find out more about the hotels and their locations, photographs > etc, if any cemetery records exist for Point Frederick > Yes they do . This is now a Pioneer Park with a few head stones > in situ > > and if there would have been any newspaper articles covering > Myrtygh's accident. > > Maybe in the Maitland Mercury ? I can check that for you maybe > one day next week as have these at Gosford Library ( to 1900 ) > They also had coroners report indexes . Just a matter of getting > there > ( live 20 mins drive away ) > > Bye > Marg Morters > Central Coast Family History Society > GOSFORD > NSW > Australia > > > >
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pam curtis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: 20 January 2001 17:32 > Subject: NSW Birth Certificate > > > > Being new to Australian research where would I go for copy of the > Birth Certificate for a Donald Cameron born in 1908 in Collarenebri, > NSW and what would it cost? > > Pam , > > The NSW BDM Registry charge $20. Can remember if you can order on > line ? Can certainly view the indexes ( you will need to ref # ) . > Their snail address is GPO Box 3 Sydney 2001 > > Can you get an extract as this is a bit cheaper.? > > > Transcriptions of NSW BDMs are beeing phased out.Go to > > www.marbract.com.au > > Marilyn ROWAN is one of the 2 agents . She has alot of info on this > site . Cost of a transcription is about $13.50 Hi Pam Oh dear me I got caught out again I completely forgot transcription agents have only ever been allowed access to NSW birth records to 1905 only ( the on line births only go up to 1905 ) Judy spotted my mistake . . So the only place you can get a copy of that 1908 doc is the NSW BDM Registry Bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia
Dear George & Heather Would appear you have your email program set on rich text/HTLM Should always on plain text for email . You sent one to Frank CARDIFF . He uses a Mac computer and this cant read emails sent in HTML , PCs can but it makes replying more difficult . If I get any email set on HTML I change the reply format otherwise the font size can change it looks messy bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia So would you like to try again ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Cardiff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 20 January 2001 16:58 Subject: Misdirected query > Apologies to Kay and Ken but I addressed this to CCFHS -g no wonder it > hasn't appeared. > > To Mar and List > > Some of you know why some of us SCREAM about getting messages in HTML. > > I have just received an email which was all gobbledegook as it was from > Outlook Express on a PC to my Eudora on a Macintosh. If it had been in > PLAIN TEXT I would have been able to read it OK. I did manage to open it in > my word processor and this is the readable part: > > > > > From: "George + Heather Hunter" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: McAskie > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:38:00 -0000 > I surfed in to "http://www.terrigal.net.au/~ccfhg/m.html" > This tells me > McCaskie Eliz & Mary Morpeth > 1859<BR>McCaskie James Sydney 1849 > but I cannot trace the page back on your site. Can you help me with what > these dates mean and who has posted them? Many thanks I am in Scotland. > > Can someone please get in touch with the sender re McAskie please. > > I can't find a reference to ANY of these names in any of my recent > correspondence or emails. After a bit of brainwork I think she may possibly > have surfed in to the ccfhg site. Any helpers? > > I haven't yet replied to the sender but will do so if no one looks like > being able to help. > Frank Cardiff > East Gosford NSW 2250 > Australia > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com
They only cost $20 if you have the registration number off the BDM list otherwise they are $26.00 for a 10 year search it costs more for a wider search, you cannot order through the internet you need to send a copy of identification and the reason you are after the copy. The forms and all details are on their web site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "margm" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:35 AM Subject: Re: NSW Birth Certificate > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "pam curtis" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: 20 January 2001 17:32 > > Subject: NSW Birth Certificate > > > > > > > Being new to Australian research where would I go for copy of > the > > Birth Certificate for a Donald Cameron born in 1908 in > Collarenebri, > > NSW and what would it cost? > > > > Pam , > > > > The NSW BDM Registry charge $20. Can remember if you can order on > > line ? Can certainly view the indexes ( you will need to ref # ) > . > > Their snail address is GPO Box 3 Sydney 2001 > > > Can you get an extract as this is a bit cheaper.? > > > > > Transcriptions of NSW BDMs are beeing phased out.Go to > > > > www.marbract.com.au > > > > Marilyn ROWAN is one of the 2 agents . She has alot of info on > this > > site . Cost of a transcription is about $13.50 > > Hi Pam > > Oh dear me I got caught out again I completely forgot > transcription agents have only ever been allowed access to NSW birth > records to 1905 only ( the on line births only go up to 1905 ) > > Judy spotted my mistake . . > > So the only place you can get a copy of that 1908 doc is the NSW > BDM Registry > > > Bye > Marg Morters > Central Coast Family History Society > GOSFORD > NSW > Australia > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >
the NSW registry has a searchable web site www.bdm.nsw.gov.au. I think you can order stuff over the internet or shortly will be able to. The Registrar is guest speaker at our next C Coast FHS meeting at our new research centre on Sat Feb 3 1pm. I heard him speak last year and he is excellent. I recommend people attend if you can. Sorry to correct you Margaret but my understanding is that the agents can't access events after 1905. I was unable to get my father's birth certificate through an agent and he was born 1906. However, I could get it at the full price as a close relative. Judy Gifford
Last evening I finally went for a walk to get the wording of this obelisk which was erected on the waterfront at the end of Orana St as part of the Bicentenary celebrations. It was unveiled by the 33rd Governor of NSW, Sir James Rowland AC KBE DFC AFC. The western face says: "This is the northernmost area reached by a party led by Governor Arthur Phillip RN in an expedition of exploration and discovery in search of suitable farm land. Governor Phillip was accompanied by Captains Hunter, Collins and Johnston with Surgeon White." (I can't help wondering who was left back in charge in Sydney!!) The northern face says: "This area referred by Captain Phillip as the North West Branch of Broken Bay was later named Brisbane Water. Settlement did not begin till 1823, 30 years after its discovery." The eastern face says: " The obelisk marks the place where on the 9th June 1789 they landed while Captain John Hunter, later to become second Governor of the Colony, took the latitude at noon that day that he computed to be 33o 26' 30" south. " The southern face says: " This spot is on the original grant of 640 acres of crown land promised to John H Edwards by Sir Ralph Darling in 1829 and granted on 30.9.1839 to Major Henry Smyth who called it Green Point." All very interesting Judy Gifford
May I just add a reference to my previous message re "Holden's Crossing" mentioned in relation to railway works in the 1880s at Gosford? The article in the "Maitland Mercury" (27 Sept 1883) about early construction included a statement re "the intended railway bridge, across from HOLDEN'S POINT to the southern end of Flat Rock Hill at the NW corner of the broadwater of Gosford". This referred to the railway bridge over the mouth of Narara Creek, the crossing being from Point Clare to the vicinity of what we know as President's Hill. Regards, Gwen
Pam I'll be interested to hear more about your Donald Cameron, I have a Donald W Cameron, b 1878 at Grafton, 4th son and child of Duncan & Alice ( n.Boyce) Cameron. Both Cameron and Boyce families have connections with the Hunter, pre 1869. Havent traced who he married, so just a bit of a long shot if your Donald is his son. Marlene -----Original Message----- From: pam curtis <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, January 20, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: NSW Birth Certificate >Being new to Australian research where would I go for copy of the Birth Certificate for a Donald Cameron born in 1908 in Collarenebri, NSW and what would it cost? >Can you get an extract as this is a bit cheaper.? >Can you do it on the Internet? >Pam > > >============================== >Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life >If you know how to reduce these risks. >http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > >
----- Original Message ----- From: "pam curtis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 20 January 2001 17:32 Subject: NSW Birth Certificate > Being new to Australian research where would I go for copy of the Birth Certificate for a Donald Cameron born in 1908 in Collarenebri, NSW and what would it cost? Pam , The NSW BDM Registry charge $20. Can remember if you can order on line ? Can certainly view the indexes ( you will need to ref # ) . Their snail address is GPO Box 3 Sydney 2001 > Can you get an extract as this is a bit cheaper.? > Transcriptions of NSW BDMs are beeing phased out.Go to www.marbract.com.au Marilyn ROWAN is one of the 2 agents . She has alot of info on this site . Cost of a transcription is about $13.50 > Can you do it on the Internet? Yes you can order from Marilyn and pay by Visa Bye Marg Morters NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected]
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Dundon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 19 January 2001 09:29 Subject: Holden's Crossing Gwen your are a mine of information as usual . Thank you > Holden's Crossing probably referred to the area where the Sydney-Newcastle > railway line joins the land at Point Clare near Gosford. Anyone interested > in reading a very interesting article about the beginnings of the railway > line construction through Gosford will find one in "The Maitland Mercury" > issue of Thursday, 27 September 1883. Gosford City Library has the MM on > microfilm. > > By the way, the bridge was built a bit higher above high water mark in the > end, but it spelt finis to the passage of timber ketches We were fishing near that bridge this evening !. Only small chopper Tailor about thank you ........ Bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia
Apologies to Kay and Ken but I addressed this to CCFHS -g no wonder it hasn't appeared. To Mar and List Some of you know why some of us SCREAM about getting messages in HTML. I have just received an email which was all gobbledegook as it was from Outlook Express on a PC to my Eudora on a Macintosh. If it had been in PLAIN TEXT I would have been able to read it OK. I did manage to open it in my word processor and this is the readable part: From: "George + Heather Hunter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: McAskie Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:38:00 -0000 I surfed in to "http://www.terrigal.net.au/~ccfhg/m.html" This tells me McCaskie Eliz & Mary Morpeth 1859<BR>McCaskie James Sydney 1849 but I cannot trace the page back on your site. Can you help me with what these dates mean and who has posted them? Many thanks I am in Scotland. Can someone please get in touch with the sender re McAskie please. I can't find a reference to ANY of these names in any of my recent correspondence or emails. After a bit of brainwork I think she may possibly have surfed in to the ccfhg site. Any helpers? I haven't yet replied to the sender but will do so if no one looks like being able to help. Frank Cardiff East Gosford NSW 2250 Australia
Being new to Australian research where would I go for copy of the Birth Certificate for a Donald Cameron born in 1908 in Collarenebri, NSW and what would it cost? Can you get an extract as this is a bit cheaper.? Can you do it on the Internet? Pam
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Musgrave" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 06 January 2001 18:10 Subject: Researching William Booth Hi Ann Have had a copy of this in my rountoit file for a while . I dont know if you had any replies yet. Been none to the list > My ggg grandfather William Booth was a convict transported to Tasmania in 1833 for seven years for stealing a copper tea kettle. He married Bridget Fitzpatrick in Launceston in 1843, they had 4 children (Thomas William, Jane, Myrtygh and Honora - also known as Annie) before moving to Peeks Point sometime between March 1850 and 1855. They had another son William in 1955 who died the same year. William died in 26 November 1861 and is buried at Point Frederick. The CC FHS library only re opened a few days ago after the Xmas break and I havent had chance to .......... > In the Pioneer Families of the Brisbane Water District of NSW it listed William as having held the licence for "The Australia Hotel" at Peek's Point as well as the licence for Booth's Wharf. I am unsure of the exact location of both of these places. Check into book of these places > > William's son Myrtygh Booth (also spelt as Mirtage, Mirtige and Murtage) was accidently killed by the capsizing of a Timber Truck on 24 November 1885 at Cooranbong. He was aged 40 years and left a wife (Bridget Owens) and 10 children. Did she stay in the area ? Not much at Cooranbong now apart for the 7th Day Adventist complex was less in 1885 . If she stayed more or less put you might do better to try the Hunter Valley list for that branch of this BOOTH family I did checked out the Newcastle Herald this morning for a few days past 24 Novemeber but nothing found > > I would be very interested to hear from anyone researching this family. I would also like to know of any references I could look up to find out more about the hotels and their locations, photographs etc, if any cemetery records exist for Point Frederick Yes they do . This is now a Pioneer Park with a few head stones in situ and if there would have been any newspaper articles covering Myrtygh's accident. Maybe in the Maitland Mercury ? I can check that for you maybe one day next week as have these at Gosford Library ( to 1900 ) They also had coroners report indexes . Just a matter of getting there ( live 20 mins drive away ) Bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia
You are quite correct Frank, Checked with my CBA and was assured this extra charge could be cancelled by withdrawing from the True Awards scheme. It would now appear that the free offer of getting points for using your card is going to cost you $23..... you can go to your bank and they will give you a refund if you cancel the membership of the True Award scheme.!!! Pam Surfers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Cardiff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 18 January 2001 18:13 Subject: Off topic? > Maybe not strictly Genealogical but it does concern us. > > Recently got my Bankcard renewal notice (Commonwealth) and noticed a subtle > reminder that the annual fee was now due. > And it had jumped from $22 to $45. > > Being in one of the lucky areas with our OWN Community Bank (Bendigo) I now > have a Visa Card from them. > Charge? > Nothing. > > Well they do say shop around. > Frank Cardiff > East Gosford NSW 2250 > Australia > > > ============================== > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > >
Dear Marg, Holden's Crossing probably referred to the area where the Sydney-Newcastle railway line joins the land at Point Clare near Gosford. Anyone interested in reading a very interesting article about the beginnings of the railway line construction through Gosford will find one in "The Maitland Mercury" issue of Thursday, 27 September 1883. Gosford City Library has the MM on microfilm. To quote the relevant piece from the article: "It is confidently reported that the intended railway bridge, across from HOLDEN'S POINT to the southern end of Flat Rock Hill (at the NW corner of the broadwater of Gosford) [President's Hill now] has been deliberately planned to be only two feet above high water mark - and that circumstance - especially as it is said that this stoppage to the navigation is to be made at once - has struck terror into the hearts of all those in or near Gosford who are more or less interested in our timber trade ..........." By the way, the bridge was built a bit higher above high water mark in the end, but it spelt finis to the passage of timber ketches using Narara Creek. Captain Christopher Columbus Fry in his little "Venus" is believed to have been the last ketch owner to go under the railway bridge - with hinged masts. He had a store on Narara Creek and used to berth at what was dubbed the Venus Wharf near the present juncture of Showground and Maliwa Roads, Narara. Gwen
Maybe not strictly Genealogical but it does concern us. Recently got my Bankcard renewal notice (Commonwealth) and noticed a subtle reminder that the annual fee was now due. And it had jumped from $22 to $45. Being in one of the lucky areas with our OWN Community Bank (Bendigo) I now have a Visa Card from them. Charge? Nothing. Well they do say shop around. Frank Cardiff East Gosford NSW 2250 Australia
Some of you may be interested in this which I saw on the net last week: Macbeth Genealogical Services can obtain a copy of the entire passenger list for a voyage or voyages on your behalf and forward the information to you, for a fee of AUS$28 for the first list posted to an Australian address (or AUS$33 to an address outside Australia) and AUS$12 for each additional passenger list. They accept Visacard, Bankcard & Mastercard. Make sure you send them the name of ship, month & year of arrival and fiche number for this service. They can be contacted by e-mail at [email protected], by fax on 03 9598 0365 (international: +61 3 9598 0365), or by post: Macbeth Genealogical Services PO Box 136 HAMPTON VIC 3188 Australia Frank Cardiff East Gosford NSW 2250 Australia
Tony From the looks of this message it was posted to the list only . So since you unsubscribed last night you wouldnt necessarily see this . So am forwarding it on to you . I am sorry you look umbrage at my email . I was mearly fulfilling my role of list owner . There is a 'nettiquet' to these mailing lists which it appeared you were not aware of . Bye Marg Morters List Owner NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Dundon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 18 January 2001 10:24 Subject: Haynes-Lovell > There are descendants of a man of this surname in the Gosford district of > NSW, I think. The Haynes-Lovell family I am thinking of married into the > pioneer ROSS family of Webb Street, East Gosford (George and Elizabeth > "Granny" Ross). > > Someone might be able to put you in touch with a ROSS-BARTLETT researcher > who could possibly help. > > Gwen > > > > ============================== > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp
Dear Judy, Sorry about that - my mind still works in last century mode. I should have said the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (for New South Wales). You can access it at: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Services/IndexSrch.html or that's how I have it in my Favourites...guess the proper address ends after the "au" It is somewhat easier to consult the B,D &M's on microfiche at libraries that have it, I think. The Pioneer Index and the Federation Index are in alphabetical order for entries and it seems quicker to run one's eye down the surnames and initials. It is certainly wonderful to have it available online though! Gwen
Hello Pam, Dear Pam, The names you have mentioned are all among the early settlers of the Central Coast, especially in the Wyong district and beyond. I believe the Fernance family tree was done some years ago and possibly printed. Records show that Esther Jane Fernance born 1879, daughter of Thomas Charles Fernance and Jane [Thompson] married Thomas Beaven 9.10.1899. She was sister to Joseph 1873, Charles Thomas 1878 (m. Maud Mary Beaven 1901) and perhaps others. Thomas Beaven was the son of William and Isabella Beaven, and was born in 1864. A sister of Tom's, Julia Matilda, born 13.8.1865, married William Jurd in 1884. All these families are well known on the Central Coast....have you seen the advert at Wollombi on the bottle shop for "Jurd's Jungle Juice" (a Jurd owns or used to own the shop)?! Best regards, Gwen