----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 13 February 2001 12:32 Subject: Joe McKENNA > > I am searching for descendants of Joseph McKENNA and Lucy Magdalen SCANLAN > who were married at Leederville, Wester Australia about 1934. > > They had 4 children _ kathleen b.c. 1936 > Joan b.c. 1940 > twins John > Peter b.c. 1947 > > Joseph died 19 April 1975 at Buff Point and was buried at the Presbyterian > Cemetary, Norah Head. > Dear Heather I did some spot checks in the NSW Electoral rolls as promised. Nothing lept of the screen There are quite a few John MCKENNAs and 3 Peter MCKENNAs in the current roll @ 2 Elm av MEDOUWIE 2318 134a Woranora Pde OATLEY 2223 19 Moratai Ave RIVERWOOD 2210 plus quite a few more with middle names. In 1970 Joseph and Lucy lived at 33 Buff Point Rd BUFF POINT I also checked the local Central Coast Express for a funeral notice....... wasnt one and no will Which funeral co handled the burial ?? >as to how to find his descendants would be greatly appreciated Some people are easier than others to find ........ bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Turnbull" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 18 February 2001 21:44 Subject: Catholic Church records Hi Dianne > Does anyone know where I can find & maybe view the Roman Catholic parish registers for the Gosford area in the 1840's/1850's? The Central Coast FHS library has burial info for the old RC church at Kincumber At a guess I would think any surviving orginal registers could be at St Marys Cathedral Archives, Sydney www.sydney.catholic.org.au/html/archives.html Bye Marg Morters NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Kinley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 19 February 2001 10:14 Subject: Fw: CLARKE/WILLIAMS Hi Virginia > > I am researching for a friend his Welsh CLARKE family. > > Lance's father was ALFRED JOHN CLARKE born 25/9/1901 in NEATH Glamorgan to > > Henry James CLARKE and Naomi WILLIAMS. > > I have checked indexes before and after this date but have not been able > to > > find Alfred's birth entry???/or a marriage??? ?? what indexes ??? The English GRO ?? > > Does any one in NEATH have access to BDM for that date please as we need > to > > purchase the certificate over the internet and need folio number. Should think it unlikely anyone in Glamorgan takes this list ? . > > Alfred John CLARKE immigrated to Sydney Australia in 1920 I believe on > his own. Did he settle on the NSW Central Coast ?? Marg Morters NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected] bye

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 24 February 2001 01:13 Subject: MAPSTONE > As a new subscriber to this list I am interested in the Mapstone family and > would welcome any information. Dear Stan Would this be a Central Coast family ??? . Of the 70 odd MAPSTONEs with phones nearly half are in NSW,mostly in the Sydney area. There are 2 living on the Coast. Were none here in 1841. 1891 or 1901 Bye Marg Morters NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected]

As a new subscriber to this list I am interested in the Mapstone family and would welcome any information. Stan Mapstone Please reply to [email protected] Guild Of One Name-Studies member #3543 Researching Mapston and Mapstone anywhere.

Hello Marg Thank you for your polite request. As a newcomer please accept my apologies. Regards Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: margm <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: Re: THOMAS FAMILY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "whitlew1" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: 21 February 2001 01:54 > Subject: THOMAS FAMILY > > > > Trying to trace the following family > > George Thomas born Varteg South Wales U.K > > Elizabeth his wife > > Charles,Gertrude, George,Reginald,Arthur,William, Gwen, & Eva, > their children. > > They left England 2nd October 1884 aboard the ASHMORE. > > George senior died c 1933 in Prospect Adelaide. > > Any help will be gratefully received. > > Dear Frank > > Would you please desist from all this cross posting of the same > message to so many Australian mailing lists. > > This Central Coast of NSW list is for the genealogy and history of > this area ONLY . Adelaide is so far away its in a different time > zone . > I feel sure if you were after info on a Cornish family you would > not post the query to a Northumberland list. So please dont on this > list > > > Thanks > > Bye > > Marg Morters > List Owner > NSW Central Coast Mailing List > Gosford, NSW > Australia > [email protected] > > > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

----- Original Message ----- From: "whitlew1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 21 February 2001 01:54 Subject: THOMAS FAMILY > Trying to trace the following family > George Thomas born Varteg South Wales U.K > Elizabeth his wife > Charles,Gertrude, George,Reginald,Arthur,William, Gwen, & Eva, their children. > They left England 2nd October 1884 aboard the ASHMORE. > George senior died c 1933 in Prospect Adelaide. > Any help will be gratefully received. Dear Frank Would you please desist from all this cross posting of the same message to so many Australian mailing lists. This Central Coast of NSW list is for the genealogy and history of this area ONLY . Adelaide is so far away its in a different time zone . I feel sure if you were after info on a Cornish family you would not post the query to a Northumberland list. So please dont on this list Thanks Bye Marg Morters List Owner NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected]

Sandra, You had an excellent reply as ever from Gwen Dundon, a true fount of knowledge. I am peripherally interested in SPEARS because I am a direct descendant of the John SMITH who married Louise Hillas Spears (nee Drinkwater) in 1902. It was the second marriage for both and they had no children together- just as well as he had 11 and she quite a few!! Gwen gave me a copy of a lovely photo of a Spears family double wedding in 1911 where Louise takes the centre spot. In 1992, I made contact with a David Spears who was researching the family. He gave me his business card but he is now not listed in our local phone directed though a cousin of his is. If you would like to contact me privately about making contact with him, please do so. The other thing about the SMITH/SPEARS liaison which always causes me to chuckle is the headstones of HER 2 husbands. The first husband- James H SPEARS has one of the grandest headstones you could imagine and stands in lonely splendour in the recently renovated Bradys Gully cemetery. It's quite tall, well over my head. At a discreet distance is that of my John SMITH, an unusual rectangular prism type shape with a Masonic cloth over it (in stone) which is barely 1 metre tall!!! Louise and he were only married 6 years - he died 1908 and she lived till 1940,dying at the age of 81. The rest of John Smith's family- assorted children, his parents, his in laws, his first wife are all buried at Pt Frederick and most of their headstones have survived. I always find it a bit sad that he is alone there at arms length from his predecessor!!!! Judy Gifford, researching ROGERS CAIN SMITH locally

Trying to trace the following family George Thomas born Varteg South Wales U.K Elizabeth his wife Charles,Gertrude, George,Reginald,Arthur,William, Gwen, & Eva, their children. They left England 2nd October 1884 aboard the ASHMORE. George senior died c 1933 in Prospect Adelaide. Any help will be gratefully received. Regards Frank

Researching the Spears family of Sydney and Central coast and would like to see ( as Gwen Dundon) has suggested the children born to Mary Spears and Thomas Humphreys (said to be a considerable number) thanks in advance Sandra in Maryborough qld

Dear Marg Thanks heaps for the time you have spent on my lookups. I, along with many others, greatly appreciate your help. Thanks also for the snail mail copy of the coroners inquest index for Mirtage Booth, again your time and trouble very much appreciated. Regards Ann Musgrave Griffith, NSW [email protected] > Hi Ann > > William's death certificate lists him as being buried at Point > Frederick on > > 27 Nov 1861 (Undertaker - George Ingram). However a reply from > Gwen Dundon > > indicated his name wasn't in the book created when the cemetery > became the > > Pioneer Park in the 1970's?? > > > > Havent had chance yet to check into this > > I would really appreciate a lookup of the Maitland Mercury and > coroners > > report index if you are able. > > Did this today,and could find no ref . Checked to end of Nov > slowly and back again . They didnt use head lines much . All sorts > of things could be under ' Local news' > > I did get you a copy from the Coroners and magisterial enquires > index, but this doesnt add anything to what you already know > > Your snail address and will pop in the post > Can only think that the location is the possible problem .Cooranbong > is sort of on the border between the Hunter Valley and the Central > coast > > If I dont get in there before hand I am on duty at the CC FHS > library next Wednesday So can have a hunt for other info then > > > Hope to purchase the "Death in the Hunter" > > two volume set very soon and will then willingly do lookups for > others. > > I've had my set for a while . Makes for interesting reading > > BFN > > Marg Morters > Central Coast Family History Society > GOSFORD > NSW > Australia > > > >

Hi Sharon ----- > > I hope this is the right way to send stuff! Looks OK to me > Im starting out and trying to locate my Dad's family and story. THOMAS > WINN was born near the Hawkesbury on 6/6 1896 and there is no birth > records for that name. > > His WW1 record recorded him as HENRY JAMES WRENCH [Thomas Winn} Born 1891. What does this doc say for name/s of next of kins ??????? > He met and married Mum in UK (went back during the WW2. On arrival back > in Oz in 1948 the records with my Mum and 2 elder siblings on the boat > recorded him as NORMAN JAMES WINN. What about your parents marriage cert ??? Do you have a copy ?? What does this say for names of your fathers parents ? > > Dad lost his mother early on and was one of the youngest in a large family. > He was brought up by his Dad hovever I think his dad died when he was in > early teens. Dad said he lived in a cave on the Hawkesbury River with his > father when things 'were really bad'. He told me his parents (my paternal > grandparents) were buried in unmarked graves at the Yarramalong Cemetry on > a rise beside a Church I tried to find the Church 2 years ago - it was > gone! Apparently burnt down a few years ago. Will check that out. Cemetery records shoud still exist . But first you need to know who youre looking for > So I would like to contact anyone with info on WINN or WRENCH from over > there. Can anyone help please? > > Also I was born in Albany St East Gosford in 1952 lived on a farm at Mardi > (back of Wyong) where the Mardi dam and highway have been cut through our > old property. There is a huge Westfields Shoppng centre a few mins north from Tuggarah Railway station . Opposite is the Woodbury Park estate, whic is a massive housing developement that streaches from there almost to the Wyong river I spent my youth in Toukley went to school in Kanwal and > Toukley and moved away in 1964. There a decent road bridge now between Kanwal and Toukely where Tuggarah Lake goes into Budgewoi Lake Bye Marg Morters NSW Central Coast Mailing List Gosford, NSW Australia [email protected]

Hi listers, Does anyone know where I can find & maybe view the Roman Catholic parish registers for the Gosford area in the 1840's/1850's? Thank you Dianne Turnbull

To the Lister who was enquiring about William Spears: I have had computer trouble and unfortunately did not retain the original request - was it about the first William Spears in Sydney and his son and grandson of the same first name? I believe that William Spears, born about 1773 at Lye, Somerset, England, arrived Sydney 12 June 1801, free, on "Earl Cornwallis". He was a Protestant. NSW Corps. He married Mary Howe on 29.7.1806 at St Philip's Church, Sydney. She came free 1799 "Minerva", arriving Sydney 11 Jan, 1800. She died 15 September 1829 aged 47, Protestant. Apparently they met while William was on Norfolk Island and two of their children were born there. In the 1828 Census, William and Mary were living in Clarence St Sydney. He was then a sawyer aged 56. I do not have details of the full background of William Spears, sorry. William (2) was apparently the couple's third son, born 16 April 1806 in Sydney. He married Sarah Dowling. Their children included Mary 1829 (?); Mary A. 1833; John 1831; WILLIAM (3) 1836-12 May1886, buried Pt Frederick Cemetery at Gosford NSW (Pioneer Park); Louisa A. 1838; James 1839; George 1841 ; Richard 1844 ; Elizabeth S. 1845; Eliza 1848 (may not be complete). William Spears (2) was landlord of an inn called "The Crooked Billet" at Pretty Beach, Brisbane Water, first licensed in 1838. Masters of vessels waiting to cross the bar were the main patrons of this establishment, apparently. Of the children of William Spears (1) and Mary Howe, John was born Norfolk Is c. 1802; James b. 1804 Norfolk Island; then William (2) mentioned above, born Sydney; George b.1808 was licensee of The Cricketer's Arms Hotel in Mann St Gosford ( known in its final years as the Pier Hotel on the present site of the Presbyterian Church opp. Vaughan Avenue), succeeding his brother Francis. George died Gosford 18.10.1878. Then there was Joseph b. 1811 Sydney, died Gosford 11.4.1860 aged 49, who was licensee of the Victoria Hotel at East Gosford in the 1850s. His wife Sa rah Piper was brother to Kincumber shipbuilder Jonathan Piper. Joseph Spears had a 60 acre grant of waterfront land at Kincumber named "Brisbania" which he sold to James Dunlop, Astronomer-Royal, in 1842 except for a 10 acre strip on which his brother-in-law established a shipyard. After Joseph's death Sarah married (2) Frederick Bramwell (died 1866) and (3) James Brown. Both men on marriage took over from her as licensees of East Gosford hotels. Sarah herself died in 1881. William Spears (1) had a daughter Mary b. 1814 in Sydney (died Kincumber 1897) who married early Kincumber settler Thomas Humphreys. This couple had a very large family (possibly 19, of whom five or six died as infants - maybe one of the Humphreys descendants can fill us in on that subject sometime!). There are many descendants in the Gosford district today. Thomas and Mary are both buried at Holy Cross Cemetery at Kincumber South. Isaac Spears b. 1816 to William (1) and Mary, died 1817. After that child came Francis Henry Spears b. 1818 Sydney, who married Sarah Agnes Roche in 1840. Francis, once a house servant, was later a well known publican in Gosford. When he died in Gosford of cancer of the face at 74 in 1892, he was described in his obituary as having lived there for 60 years. His son James H. Spears was born in 1850 in the Mason's Arms, Mann St, Gosford, where his father was licensee. This was almost certainly the same hotel as the Sawyers Arms (an inn of the same name was at East Gosford for a period), the Cricketers Arms and the Pier Hotel). James H. Spears built Gosford's Union Hotel. His wife was Louisa Hillas Drinkwater who, after his death in 1900, married John Smith of "Stonehurst" near the Punt Bridge, East Gosford. Smith then became the licensee of the Union Hotel. The rather ornate and large headstone of Jame H. Spears still stands in the old Bradys Gully Cemetery at North Gosford, now a memorial park. The Spears picture covers a large canvas. The overall impression is of a family with a great interest in hotel-keeping. Besides the connection with the Piper shipbuilding family, there are links with the Howards of Erina Creek, and the Frosts of Kincumber, as William Henry Spears (1876-1924) son of James H. and Louisa Spears, married Edith Jane Howard, daughter of shipbuilder George Howard and his wife Letitia (nee Brennan) in 1899, and shipwright Francis Humphreys whose mother was the former Mary Spears, daughter of William (1), had a daughter Annie who married Horace Frost, son of shipbuilder George Frost and his wife Margaret E. (Lizzie) Frost of Kincumber Creek. Dates should all be cross-checked for confirmation. This is one of those families where children were named after siblings and cousins - extremely confusing! Best wishes, Gwen Dundon

> I am researching for a friend his Welsh CLARKE family. > Lance's father was ALFRED JOHN CLARKE born 25/9/1901 in NEATH Glamorgan to > Henry James CLARKE and Naomi WILLIAMS. > I have checked indexes before and after this date but have not been able to > find Alfred's birth entry???/or a marriage??? > Does any one in NEATH have access to BDM for that date please as we need to > purchase the certificate over the internet and need folio number.. > Alfred John CLARKE immigrated to Sydney Australia in 1920 I believe on his > own. > Any help would be appreciated. > Regards > Virginia Kinley > >

Hello over in Central Coast, I hope this is the right way to send stuff! Im starting out and trying to locate my Dad's family and story. THOMAS WINN was born near the Hawkesbury on 6/6 1896 and there is no birth records for that name. His WW1 record recorded him as HENRY JAMES WRENCH [Thomas Winn} Born 1891. He met and married Mum in UK (went back during the WW2. On arrival back in Oz in 1948 the records with my Mum and 2 elder siblings on the boat recorded him as NORMAN JAMES WINN. Dad lost his mother early on and was one of the youngest in a large family. He was brought up by his Dad hovever I think his dad died when he was in early teens. Dad said he lived in a cave on the Hawkesbury River with his father when things 'were really bad'. He told me his parents (my paternal grandparents) were buried in unmarked graves at the Yarramalong Cemetry on a rise beside a Church I tried to find the Church 2 years ago - it was gone! Apparently burnt down a few years ago. So I would like to contact anyone with info on WINN or WRENCH from over there. Can anyone help please? Also I was born in Albany St East Gosford in 1952 lived on a farm at Mardi (back of Wyong) where the Mardi dam and highway have been cut through our old property. I spent my youth in Toukley went to school in Kanwal and Toukley and moved away in 1964. If anyone is doing anything on that area Id be interested. SHARON CATHERINE WINN 08 919 22225 PH 08 91922234 FAX PO Box 1267 BROOME WA 6725 [email protected]

Can anyone help with any info on a BROWN family of Patonga ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Travis Brown" <[email protected]> To: "margm" <[email protected]> Sent: 17 February 2001 22:03 . My Father spent a lot of time > in the area and also around Hawkesbury and he once told me he rowed a dinghy > from Berowra to the other side of the Hawkesbury river and back again but it > was in 1920's 1930's and he was a very fit man then. His name was John > Thomas Parsons BROWN and I am researching his side of the family which I > belived did live in the Patonga area but I have been unable to confirm this. > If you have any one researching the brown's in > that area I would appreciate hearing from them. > Yours sincerely, > John T. Brown > Sutherland Sydney. NSW> >

Hi List Trying to trace the following family George Thomas born Varteg South Wales U.K Elizabeth his wife Charles,Gertrude, George,Reginald,Arthur,William, Gwen, & Eva, their children. They left England 2nd October 1884 aboard the ASHMORE. George senior died c 1933 in Prospect Adelaide. Any help will be gratefully received. Regards Frank ============================== Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! http://searches.rootsweb.com/

Hi Listers, I am trying to trace my great great grandparents, William & Charlotte LONG, who lived in the Gosford/ Erina area in the 1840's/1850's. Their daughter Louisa (my great grandmother) was born on 2nd May 1855 in Mosquito-Town. All that I know of Charlotte, is that her maiden name was HEARNEY, and that she passed away before Louisa married in 1874. The only information that I have on William, are his occupations. On Louisa's birth certificate his occupation is listed as 'Sawyer', he was a farmer at the time of Louisa's marriage, and on her death certificate it states that William was a bushman. As Louisa was baptised as a Roman Catholic (in 1855 at Gosford, Minister - Henry N. Woofrey), I assume that William & Charlotte were also Catholic. Until I find Charlotte & William's death certificates, I am not 100% sure of the siblings to Louisa. I know this is a very long shot, but does any of this sound familiar to anyone out there? if so, please contact me. With thanks in advance Dianne Turnbull

> Hi Heather, I live quite close to the Norah Head Cemetery, and if your Joe McKenna was buried there and has a headstone, I would be quite happy to take a picture of it for you, if you would like it. Regards Cheryl > > Subject: Joe McKENNA > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:32:34 +1300 > From: "Heather Evans" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Firstly my apologies to those on other lists as I intend sending this to a > couple of lists as I don`t know where my McKENNa`s were in Australia. > > I am searching for descendants of Joseph McKENNA and Lucy Magdalen SCANLAN > who were married at Leederville, Wester Australia about 1934. > > They had 4 children _ kathleen b.c. 1936 > Joan b.c. 1940 > twins John > Peter b.c. 1947 > > Joseph died 19 April 1975 at Buff Point and was buried at the Presbyterian > Cemetary, Norah Head. > > I have a copy of his death cert. > > Any help as to how to find his descendants would be greatly appreciated > > Heather in Auckland N.Z.