Found in the Gosford Star June 5 1930 The Main Road Board announced that a regular ferry service was to start across the Hawkesbury River from Mooney Point to Kangaroo Point Mon- Fri 7am - 4 pm no weekend service I guess that would prove more popular than the 105 mile trip from George St Sydney to Mann st Gosford via Wiseman's Ferry ! Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Carol Cain" <caindc@bigpond.net.au> > Hi Carol > I am interested in John Brown, his wife Clara Emma Brown who is buried in > the old Lisarow Cemetery. She died 22nd June 1930, aged 76 years. I have a CD of Creightons of Gosford's funeral records 1909 - 1989 . Would appear this John BROWNs funeral done by Creightons . Was aged 85 , d 6 Dec 1938 Lisarow cem. I also > have a burial record of Amy Florence Brown wife of William Brown Junr. Who > died on 28th February 1921 age 26 years. Are these numbers correct ? Couldnt find her death in the BDMs and only Wm BROWN marrying an Amy F was in 1890, Newtown ??? > > Clara Emma was my ggrandmother. She was married to Alexander Kamprad, Where ? who > ended up in Bathurst jail. His name doesnt come up on State Records on line indexes for Bathurst ?? I believe that while he was there, Clara became > housekeeper for John Brown and ended up having a son by him. There a birth of a John KAMPRAD in 1890 /24337 , mother Clara, no father , Newcastle I doubt if > they were married. No KAMPRAD divorce in the indexes Clara also had placed two of her children in care at > some stage. > > I guess my main interest now is finding descendents of this family in the A John BROWN m Alice M WIMPLE 1920/2551, Gosford She doesnt appear to have been b in NSW I tripped over the really interest bit in Creighton's CD as found the death of John KAMPRAD/ BROWN aged 68, d 26 Dec 1958 to Pt Clare Cem Methodist Going to Gosfords library tomorrow so will find out a bit more Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Carol Cain" <caindc@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: [ANCC] BROWN LISAROW >I am researching the family of John Brown, his son William Brown of >Lisarow. > I believe they may have had an orchard. Would love to hear from anyone > connected with this family. > Hi Carol Do you have a bit more info , please ? Like approx time frame Quite a few BROWNs about at different times ! thanks Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

What years are you looking at Carol? And are you connected to the CAIN family, who mainly lived at East Gosford? Judy researching ROGERS SMITH CAIN, mainly of East Gosford ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Carol Cain" <caindc@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: [ANCC] BROWN LISAROW >I am researching the family of John Brown, his son William Brown of >Lisarow. > I believe they may have had an orchard. Would love to hear from anyone > connected with this family. > > > > Regards > > Carol > > caindc@bigpond.net.au > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > If you find a good source of Central Coast info , let us all know > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004

I am researching the family of John Brown, his son William Brown of Lisarow. I believe they may have had an orchard. Would love to hear from anyone connected with this family. Regards Carol caindc@bigpond.net.au

Dear Bill James, Re your great-grandfather George Frost: You may not know that the old George Frost family home in the Kincumber village on the Central Coast has been up for sale - and probably faces demolition. It must be well over 120 years old, but has no Heritage order on it. It has possibly been sold again already - I haven't heard. I did approach Gosford City Council, hoping that it could be purchased for the community (even for removal elsewhere). It has been one of the very few tangible reminders of the old wooden shipbuilding industry that flourished around the shores of Brisbane Water. Because of housing development around its location, which is adjacent to St Pauls Anglican Church at the traffic roundabout, the house finds itself in a very awkward position. Even if it had to be cut up and removed to another site, it would have been very good to see it retained because of its history. George Frost's shipyard was on the nearby bank of Kincumber Creek, about halfway between this house and the later one of George's son, Manasseh Frost, who conducted the post office there. The latter home was last occupied by the late Doris Tincknell, a daughter of Manasseh, who had charge of the post office after her father's time, until 1945, when it had been in Frost hands for a total of 50 years. This house has been restored by church owners, and as "the old post office" looks very well. The first vessel built by George Frost was the sailing ketch "Lizzie Frost" in 1884, named after his wife Margaret Elizabeth, nee Woodward. The vessel was totally wrecked in 1887 when it went ashore trying to enter Brunswick Heads. The last built was the steamship "Rock Lily" which Frost completed in 1906, the year of his death at 64 years. This vessel was broken up in 1927. Mrs Lizzie Frost survived her husband until 1937, dying at the age of 93 years and known by all as "Granny Frost of Kincumber". Best of luck with your researches into the Frost family's connections. Regards, Gwen

I only joined the list last night and already I want to know something. Has anyone got details of Margaret FROST b 16 June 1862, in Kincumber, and married Joseph Patrick TOMLIN, 25 Oct 1882 in Longueville, NSW. Margaret is the daughter of George and Margaret Elizabeth FROST. Any information on her death, their children and their children's wives/husbands. Anything would be appreciated. I also know that they lived outside of the district, but thought that someone in the Central Coast Area may have done some investigation on Margaret. Happy New Year Bill James, Mooloolaba QLD.

Goodmorning everyone, My name is Bill JAMES and I live at Mooloolaba on the Sunshine Coast, QLD. I was born at Kogarah NSW on the 12 Apr 1932. My Grandfather was Edward Richard James who married Elsie Camelia Jane FROST b 1882 in Kincumber, the daughter of George FROST, Ship Builder of Kincumber. My interest is of course the FROST family, but I am equally interested in the wives/husbands and children of their families. I have a very worn out book on the 1870-1970 Centenary ofthe Kincumber Public School, jointly written by Gwen and John JAMES. This is the only thing I have on Kincumber and wish to further my knowledge by purchasing other articles to build a libary of the life of my ancestors. Thanks for the chance to talk to you. Cheers, Bill James, Mooloolaba Qld. billjames1@optusnet.com.au

Hi John this is the URL http://rms-republic.com/sealby_fam.html Hope you can find out some more details from it if you don't already have it. Regards Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Selby" <johnselby@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [ANCC] Research into Robert Langcock Selby > Hi Everyone, > > Thank you so much Ron, Gwen & Marg for your wonderful and incredibly > prompt assistance. I now know when Robert Lucock Sealby died, that he left > a will, where he is buried, when his wife died and that a box of their > possessions may be still in Gosford! I also received in the post today a > copy of Robert Lucock and Winifred's marriage certificate. Amazing :-) > > I will be passing through Gosford tomorrow morning (23rd December) on my > way to Queensland and have set aside 2-3 hours to do some investigating. > If any of you want to contact me, my number is 0422 782 818. > > Marg, your post referred to a great website found by Joanne. I did not > receive any emails from her. Could you let me know the URL to which you > were referring? > > Regards, > > John > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > A problem aired is a problem shared > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Selby" <johnselby@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [ANCC] Research into Robert Langcock Selby > Hi Everyone, > > Thank you so much Ron, Gwen & Marg for your wonderful and incredibly > prompt assistance. I now know when Robert Lucock Sealby died, that he left > a will, where he is buried, when his wife died and that a box of their > possessions may be still in Gosford! I also received in the post today a > copy of Robert Lucock and Winifred's marriage certificate. Amazing :-) > Must be your lucky day Better buy a lottery ticket :-) > I will be passing through Gosford tomorrow morning (23rd December) on my > way to Queensland and have set aside 2-3 hours to do some investigating. You could look up the Sydney Morning Herald there for a marriage notice ........ now you have the date ! You could drive out to Saratoga and see if their house is still standing ? > If any of you want to contact me, my number is 0422 782 818. > > Marg, your post referred to a great website found by Joanne. I did not > receive any emails from her. You did ......... her email addy says ron flack . You couldnt have read it all I wont be anywhere near Gosford tomorrow Could you let me know the URL to which you > were referring? > http://rms-republic.com/sealby_fam.html That is fabulous is youre into SEALBYs Be a good move to check your email maybe while you are away Never know what else might pop up Street parking near Gosford library isnt great as mostly 1 hour if you can find a space . Its in Donnison St , middle of the CBD bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Hi Everyone, Thank you so much Ron, Gwen & Marg for your wonderful and incredibly prompt assistance. I now know when Robert Lucock Sealby died, that he left a will, where he is buried, when his wife died and that a box of their possessions may be still in Gosford! I also received in the post today a copy of Robert Lucock and Winifred's marriage certificate. Amazing :-) I will be passing through Gosford tomorrow morning (23rd December) on my way to Queensland and have set aside 2-3 hours to do some investigating. If any of you want to contact me, my number is 0422 782 818. Marg, your post referred to a great website found by Joanne. I did not receive any emails from her. Could you let me know the URL to which you were referring? Regards, John

Reply to posting by John Selby: Dear John, Robert Lucock Sealby died at Saratoga on 21 May 1947 aged 84. His widow was Winifred Sealby, nee Kingsford-Smith. Cremation was at Northern Suburbs Crematorium (Sydney). This was recorded in the "Woy Woy Herald" on Wednesday, 28 May, 1947. A one-sentence news item in The Gosford Times of 25 October, 1928, stated that "Kingsford-Smith Senior" is staying with his sister Mrs Winifred Sealby at Saratoga" but there were no other details. Regards, Gwen

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Selby" <johnselby@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: [ANCC] Researching into Robert Lucock Sealby, who lived in Saratoga ~1925 - 1950 & married Winifred Kingsford-Smith > Hi , John I'm researching into my paternal great grandfather, Robert > Langcock Selby. He may also have been known as Robert Lucock Sealby. I do not know when or where he died. > Whoever arranged his funeral had the foresight to choose Creightons of Gosford . Gosford library has films of their records and I have the index to these at home . He d aged 83 21 May 1947 at Saratoga, cremated at Northern Suburbs I have copy of this which I will forward direct to you > The lives of Robert Langcock Selby and Robert Lucock Sealby share > astounding similarities between 1895 and 1916, when each enlisted in WWI. > There are no army records of Robert Langcock Selby enlisting, I didnt find anything on him ?? but > there are of Robert Lucock Sealby. My family has no knowledge of what > happened to my great grandfather after he enlisted in >WWI. Get copy of his service dossier We are trying > to determine whether Robert Lucock and Robert Langcock are the same > person. Probably one of those 'get copy of every doc you can lay hands on' situations He left a will ref # 332726 Saratoga That's a great web site that Joanne found bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Hi, I'm researching into my paternal great grandfather, Robert Langcock Selby. He may also have been known as Robert Lucock Sealby. I have information that Robert Lucock Sealby moved to Saratoga, NSW around 1925. He married Winifred Kingsford Smith (sister of Sir Charles) in 1924 in Manly, NSW. They owned Ladstock, a home in Saratoga. Robert Lucock worked in real estate in Saratoga before retiring there in 1930. I do not know when or where he died. The lives of Robert Langcock Selby and Robert Lucock Sealby share astounding similarities between 1895 and 1916, when each enlisted in WWI. There are no army records of Robert Langcock Selby enlisting, but there are of Robert Lucock Sealby. My family has no knowledge of what happened to my great grandfather after he enlisted in WWI. We are trying to determine whether Robert Lucock and Robert Langcock are the same person. As this is a weblist dedicated to the history of the Central Coast, I thought that I would post to see if anyone has information on their property, Ladstock, Winifred Sealby (nee) Kingsford Smith or Robert Lucock Sealby. Regards, John Selby

Hi Marg Thanks for the tip. Regards Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: [ANCC] New from the UK National Archives > Dear Listers > > You will be able to download copy from the original docs from > the 1891 and 1881 censuses > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4065313.stm > > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/census > > > > Happy hunting > > bye > > MargM > List Admin > Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, > Central Coast > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Dear Listers You will be able to download copy from the original docs from the 1891 and 1881 censuses http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4065313.stm http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/census Happy hunting bye MargM List Admin Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, Central Coast

The Lake Macquarie & District Historical Society has published a Historical 2005 CALENDAR of the TORONTO District, it includes up to A4 size Colour and B&W photos of Early Toronto and later. The calendar sells for $10.00 and is available at the premises. The Heritage Centre Old Toronto Railway Station Victory Parade. Toronto Situated opposite the Hotel Toronto Parking in Victory Parade, or take a walk or bicycle ride along the Greenway * OPENING HOURS Sundays: 1pm to 4pm Wednesdays: 1pm to 4pm (except 2nd Wednesday of each month when our meetings are held - but feel free to join us then) Public Holidays: 1pm to 4pm (Except Christmas Day, New Year's Day and Good Friday) OTHER TIMES BY APPOINTMENT By arrangement, Touring Groups can be catered for with Morning/Afternoon Teas ADMISSION BY DONATION * For Further information: Phone: 02 4959 8063 During open hours Fax: 02 4959 8739 * OR contact our Secretary PO Box 239 TORONTO NSW 2283 02 4959 4638 * ABOUT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY The Lake Macquarie and District Historical Society Inc. was formed on the 13th November 1962 to research the early pioneers of the district. The Society's principle aim is to research and preserve the local history of Lake Macquarie and it's surrounds. The Society has an extensive photograph collection which can be seen during opening hours or at other times as requested. Some of these date back to the 19th Century. The photographs show the development of the area from then to now. The Society meets monthly and has formed a Special Projects Research Group to develop future displays for public viewing. Enquiries about the history of the Lake Macquarie area are always welcome. Any information supplied to us is greatly appreciated, as well. If you have any anecdotes, historical memorabilia or photographs that you would like to share with the Society, please contact us. LAKE MACQUARIE & DISTRICT HISTORICAL SOCIETY Inc. lmdhs@hotmail.com MargaretB Lake Macquarie NSW Au

Hello again Marg, You did mean Pioneers book didn't you, and would you know if it is still available. I am not (yet) a member of the CC FHS, but I'll google for it shortly and hopefully find an answer to the first question. I may be the only one on the list claiming Joseph Ashby, but there is literally a "tribe" of descendents from Joseph & Charlotte spread all over Australia. Unfortunately I know of only one that is using their computer for family history, and I don't think she subscribes to mailing lists. Yvonne (in a much cooler Melbourne today) > > The ASHBYs have a page in the pre 1900 Pioneers box the CC FHS did nearly > 3 years ago > > Another project had been gathering info on people who were living here > when the 1841 census was taken > that should be published some time next year > > Curiously you are the only person who has claimed Joseph ASHBY. > > Bye > > > MargM > Central Coast > List Admin

Dear Listers The NAA have been busy ! I just noticed that their passengers to Port of Freemantle indexing is now to Aug 1938 ( fr Jan 1926) http://tinyurl.com/3eya4 See passenger indexes at the top of the screen Happy Hunting bye MargM List Admin Sydney, New England, Hunter Valley, Central Coast lists

----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Toomey" <ytoomey@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [ANCC] Earliest ancestor- James Webb > Hi Marg, > > I am descended from James Webb's daughter Charlotte Webb who married > Joseph > Ashby, and their daughter Hannah. > > Are you also connected to James ? > Hi Yvonne No relation ........ just interested in Central Coast history The ASHBYs have a page in the pre 1900 Pioneers box the CC FHS did nearly 3 years ago Another project had been gathering info on people who were living here when the 1841 census was taken that should be published some time next year Curiously you are the only person who has claimed Joseph ASHBY. Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin