Hello Kay, I see that you are seeking information on Elizabeth MURRAY who lived in the Killcare Extension area. The actual location of her 50 acre grant of 1836 was on the shore of Riley's Bay facing Booker Bay and not far from The Rip. Elizabeth Owens was the wife of convict JOHN MURRAY who arrived at Port Jackson on 16 December 1823 per "Isabella" with a Life sentence. They married in 1834. John Murray died in 1847 and Elizabeth then married Daniel Benison (Benson) on 16 February 1849 at Holy Cross Roman Catholic Church at Kincumber South. Daniel was a local ship master. The Murray children were Michael, Catherine, Mary, Elizabeth, John and Patrick. Elizabeth had two sons to Daniel - Robert and Henry Benson, both of whom followed in their father's line of work and became ship masters. Elizabeth Benson died on 11 March 1855. Daniel "Bennison" died on 16 December 1861 and was buried on the Murray farm the following day. The undertaker was shipbuilder Thomas Davis. Daughters of John and Elizabeth Murray married into the Hardy, Maxfield, Gullofsen, Gaffney and Coulter families. Son Patrick Murray b. 1848 married Sarah Ellen Coulter, a daughter of Samuel and Rachel Coulter of Woy Woy. Regards, Gwen [author of "The Shipbuilders of Brisbane Water, NSW"]

I am seeking any information on Elizabeth MURRAY, who was a settler atKillcare in 1840. I would appreciate any information at all about her. Thanks Kay -- ____________ Kay Williams Pearl Beach NSW AUS 2256 ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. **********************************************************************

Hello Kay, Many thanks for all that Pearl Beach information which I will add to my files - all grist to the history mill! Hope that you are able to pin down the truth of the naming of Pearl Beach. Wonder if any records are still in existence for C R Staples & Co? Best regards, Gwen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Williams" <williams@terrigal.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: [ANCC] Re: Pearl Beach Hi Kay > I will try the land titles search when I can get to sydney. Take your money with you :-) A copy ticket at the LPI aka LTO is now $10 Have you asked Phillipe TABETEAU Or Joan FENTON ? One of the CC FHS members Valerie RUBIE did alot of research and eventually wrote a book on Mt Penang( pub 2004) . Try as she might she was never able to find out where this name had come from or who had named it > > None of the Parish Maps I have seen record the name, but Geoffrey Potter > suggests I try the local Council records prior to the subdivision. Are there any from the 1920's ??????? Its amazing how quickly such facts can be lost Bye MargM

Hi Gwen Thanks for your comments and suggestions. I will try the land titles search when I can get to sydney. I have spoken with the ever-helpful Local Studies Librarian, Geoffrey Potter, and we could not find any official reference prior to the estate booklet- except Bella Shakespeare's recorded recollection of its name when she went there with her Dad seeking abalone shells c1916. The Estate was subdivided in 1925 and widely marketed in 1926. I know of the statement in the brochure:(you are so lucky to have a copy!) But it is in conflict with Bella's that "The Pearl Beach" was how it was known (at least in Patonga) c1916 (ref "Pearl Beach, Early Days." by Ben Smith 1993 p 15). CR Staples brought up all of Rock Davis' holdings in 1921 from his estate.:(3 blacks Rock had purchased and one he claimed in 1896 by reson of 'undisturbed and undisputed possession since 1865) from of William Barton's family. Sir Edmond's dad William had bought it from retd sgt William MOSELY ,the 1st owner of the initial grant (who seemed to have bought it for 75 pounds just to use up a 50 pounds remission, as he sold it again before he even received the title!). None of the Parish Maps I have seen record the name, but Geoffrey Potter suggests I try the local Council records prior to the subdivision. I don't know whether there are extant any Davis family papers that might be useful, but there is a story that on his deathbed Rock DAVIS was heard by his wife Mary to whisper " The world is a good place for the hut at Pearl Beach was never robbed". This would have been June 1904, but I have jet to find a contemporary record. (Again this reference is in Ben Smith's book "Pearl Beach, Early Days."(1993) p13) I was hoping some one with family records of the period might make mention of the name, as the official records do not appear to so far. Thanks Kay >Hello Kay, > >Was interested in your posting and question to Marg re the first >recorded use of the name Pearl Beach. > >Just a thought on the subject: The attractive booklet put out by C R >Staples and Co Ltd for their "Pearl Beach Estate" in the twenties, (my >copy dated 1928) includes the following comment written in November >1925: > >"For many years Pearl Beach - locally known as Green Point Beach, >after the vividly green headland which forms its southern bundary - >has been regarded as the gem of the Woy Woy wonderland..." > >Perhaps you could do a land title search on the estate which the >company evidently purchased around 1919-21, as this would describe the >location? > >In 1925 the brochure writer, in recording the history of the estate, >stated that "it is about five years since the property passed into the >hands of the present owners". > >Have you enquired at the Local Studies section of Gosford City >Library? Subdivision records, Parish maps, or their Pearl Beach >files could provide clues to help. > >Best wishes, >Gwen > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kay Williams" <williams@terrigal.net.au> >To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: 14 January 2005 23:21 >Subject: [ANCC] Re: Saratoga in the news ! > > >> >> Hi Marg >> Can I entice you a little further south to Pearl Beach? I'm trying >to >> find the first recorded use of this name.In 1925-6 C R Staples >> developed the "Pearl Beach Estate -Woy Woy" and named all the >streets >> after precious and semiprecious stones. >> >> However I think the name 'the Pearl beach" predates that >> development. I cannot however find it on any maps. There is a >> reference in Ben Smith's book "Pearl Beach- Early Days" (1993 >pp14-15 >> ) to Bella SHAKESPEARE of Patonga and later of Woy Woy, who claimed >> her father referred to it as this in c1916. >> >> I would like to ask whether anyone can direct me to a written source >> prior to 1925. Any references in family papers/ diaries etc would be >> really welcome. >> >> many thanks >> >> Kay Williams >> >> >> >Found in the Gosford Star newspaper of 3 Dec 1927 > > >The Gosford suburb of Saratoga got electricity for the first time >> > >> >Hard to imagine life on a day like today with out it ....... No >> >fridge, no fans, no aircon and NO computer >> > >> >Bye >> > >> > MargM >> > Central Coast >> List Admin >> -- >> ____________ >> Kay Williams >> Pearl Beach >> NSW AUS 2256 >> >********************************************************************** >> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain >> privileged information or confidential information or both. 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Hello Judy, Re your additions to the Pearl Beach comments for Kay, the Estate there was actually on sale in 1926 - my copy of the brochure published by C R Staples & Co was an update I think. The Gosford Times of 7 January 1926, which has a long article in it about the estate, mentions this brochure for prospective buyers of land at the new resort location. The developers had cut a road around the the bottom of cliff face of Mount Ettalong for access to the estate, and the above article stated that it was now "open for traffic". In the first half of 1935 part of this road collapsed and talks were held about the need to build a new road. A further portion of the road washed away over two days in June 1936, hence the construction of the current route. The Woy Woy Herald of 7 January 1938 gave space to details of the birthday party enjoyed by the village's first baby, Carl Hilton Ferguson ..."a notable event"...he was one year old. The same paper's issue of 29 July 1938 recorded the fact that Pearl Beach now had a phone service and post office, and there was also a public phone installed at Ferguson's store .... to be ready on 2 August. All this has nothing to do with the naming of Pearl Beach, but what the heck? Regards to all, Gwen

Kay I have a small booklet called Place names on the Central Coast. It says it was once called Green Point and was possibly the first stop Governor Phillip and his party made in after leaving Sydney in March 1978 to explore Broken Bay.; He also stopped at the now Green Point - quite some distance north towards Gosford (where I live) on the same trip- obelisk to mark this spot as I believe there is at Pearl Beach. The article goes on to say it was left in isolation for almost a century until Rock Davis and William Mosely purchased land where Rock Davis kept cattle and used the timber for his ship building at Blackwall (Gwen doubtless will comment on this) CR Staples and Co of Sydney purchased the land from the estate of Rock Davis and in 1928 subdivided and sold the land as Pearl Beach.... etc as you said. Sounds like an early marketing ploy just as later - in the 1950's- the notorious (to locals) Copacabana was developed and all the streets given Sth American names. As a born and bred local, I always though the name was derived from the design the incoming waves make on the beach- lovely scallop or pearl shaped indentations, which can clearly be seen from the Mt Ettymalong headland above. Have a few family shots of the beach clearly showing this. Best wishes Judy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 10/01/2005

Hello Kay, Was interested in your posting and question to Marg re the first recorded use of the name Pearl Beach. Just a thought on the subject: The attractive booklet put out by C R Staples and Co Ltd for their "Pearl Beach Estate" in the twenties, (my copy dated 1928) includes the following comment written in November 1925: "For many years Pearl Beach - locally known as Green Point Beach, after the vividly green headland which forms its southern bundary - has been regarded as the gem of the Woy Woy wonderland..." Perhaps you could do a land title search on the estate which the company evidently purchased around 1919-21, as this would describe the location? In 1925 the brochure writer, in recording the history of the estate, stated that "it is about five years since the property passed into the hands of the present owners". Have you enquired at the Local Studies section of Gosford City Library? Subdivision records, Parish maps, or their Pearl Beach files could provide clues to help. Best wishes, Gwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Williams" <williams@terrigal.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 14 January 2005 23:21 Subject: [ANCC] Re: Saratoga in the news ! > > Hi Marg > Can I entice you a little further south to Pearl Beach? I'm trying to > find the first recorded use of this name.In 1925-6 C R Staples > developed the "Pearl Beach Estate -Woy Woy" and named all the streets > after precious and semiprecious stones. > > However I think the name 'the Pearl beach" predates that > development. I cannot however find it on any maps. There is a > reference in Ben Smith's book "Pearl Beach- Early Days" (1993 pp14-15 > ) to Bella SHAKESPEARE of Patonga and later of Woy Woy, who claimed > her father referred to it as this in c1916. > > I would like to ask whether anyone can direct me to a written source > prior to 1925. Any references in family papers/ diaries etc would be > really welcome. > > many thanks > > Kay Williams > > > >Found in the Gosford Star newspaper of 3 Dec 1927 > >The Gosford suburb of Saratoga got electricity for the first time > > > >Hard to imagine life on a day like today with out it ....... No > >fridge, no fans, no aircon and NO computer > > > >Bye > > > > MargM > > Central Coast > List Admin > -- > ____________ > Kay Williams > Pearl Beach > NSW AUS 2256 > ********************************************************************** > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > ********************************************************************** > > > ==== AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST Mailing List ==== > For other AUS mailing lists check out: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Marg Can I entice you a little further south to Pearl Beach? I'm trying to find the first recorded use of this name.In 1925-6 C R Staples developed the "Pearl Beach Estate -Woy Woy" and named all the streets after precious and semiprecious stones. However I think the name 'the Pearl beach" predates that development. I cannot however find it on any maps. There is a reference in Ben Smith's book "Pearl Beach- Early Days" (1993 pp14-15 ) to Bella SHAKESPEARE of Patonga and later of Woy Woy, who claimed her father referred to it as this in c1916. I would like to ask whether anyone can direct me to a written source prior to 1925. Any references in family papers/ diaries etc would be really welcome. many thanks Kay Williams >Found in the Gosford Star newspaper of 3 Dec 1927 >The Gosford suburb of Saratoga got electricity for the first time > >Hard to imagine life on a day like today with out it ....... No >fridge, no fans, no aircon and NO computer > >Bye > > MargM > Central Coast List Admin -- ____________ Kay Williams Pearl Beach NSW AUS 2256 ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. **********************************************************************

Found in the Gosford Star newspaper of 3 Dec 1927 The Gosford suburb of Saratoga got electricity for the first time Hard to imagine life on a day like today with out it ....... No fridge, no fans, no aircon and NO computer Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Hello everyone. I'm getting a little off track here but after reading Gwen's book ( very good ) I was looking at he Riley's and the Frost connection. What I'M getting at is can some kind person fill me in on birthdays, marriages and where they took place, starting from John the Londoner and William, Thomas , James and Sarah. Thank you in anticipation. Bill James from windy Mooloolaba Queensland.

Hello Wendy, A little more on the Cockcroft family for you: In 1874 John Cockcroft's son James who was a master mariner, became partner with James Frederick Beattie, mariner (both of Gosford) in ownership of the newly built, fore-and-aft schooner AGNES, built at Brisbane Water by Edward G. Beattie at what is now Daleys Point. The shipping register shows that James died intestate in April 1875 - Letters of Administration to John Cockcroft of Sydney, timber merchant. For those interested in our district's maritime history, this vessel's description and following ownership can be found in my book "The Shipbuilders of Brisbane Water, NSW" which covers all known shipbuilders around the shores of the estuary and at Terrigal (Thomas Davis), and includes details of 500 recorded vessels. This local history book is available direct from me. AGNES had a female bust figurehead. Regards, Gwen

Hello Gwen & Everyone, thank you very much Gwen for the information on John Cockcroft. All I had was what I could find through the NSWBDM & Greville Directory so your information is terrific. I too have noticed the crossover of dates in December/January registrations. Deaths were probably registered promptly (within weeks) but births as you say were often Baptisms and could be years out in the early days. I also once ordered a death certificate from the NSWBDM that turned out to be a burial certificate and didn't have the information I was hoping for ... it was an early one ... 1826! I shall now have the fun of finding out all about John Cockcroft's past as a convict. I am still wondering why Jane Ann Turner married on the Central Coast when she was from Sydney. I do not recognise any of the witness names ... yet! Sounds like John Cockcroft was a jack-of-all-trades. How enterprising one had to be in those days, especially when one had a family to support. Regards Wendy McKenzie

Hello Wendy, Have been following your postings with much interest, and have a few details to add. You probably have them yourself already, but maybe they could be of use to someone else. re John Cockcroft: John Cockcroft died on 16 December 1900 (ref: The Gosford Times issue of 21.12.1900). He was known as "Jack the Butcher" according to this very small mention. I note that you have his death date as 1901, and wonder if this came from the Births, Deaths and Marriages Index online. In a few instances where I was able to cross-check an entry I was researching, I realised that some events which occurred in December (usually very late in the month) appear in the index as having occurred in the following year. I can imagine baptismal records in (sometimes) sparse church records of early times being assumed to be births, but it is rather strange in the instance of a death in 1900 when official registration was compulsory. Comments anyone? John married Jane Ann Turner on 13 May 1846 with the Consent of the Governor, meaning that a convict was involved. The witnesses were John Broadbent and Ann Broadbent of Wyoming, and Mary Hagan of East Gosford. The women all signed with a cross. Re John's occupation: the Church of England records for Gosford (microfilm) show that: At the time of son William's birth in 1847, the father was a labourer living at Wyoming. James was born in 1848, father a butcher of Wyoming. Mary Ann was born in 1849, father a bullock driver of Wyoming. Eliza was born in 1854, the father was a butcher and carrier of Wyoming. Ann Augusta was born 1861, the father is now a carrier of Gosford. John's son William died in 1848 aged 14 months and 2 days, "son of a butcher" John's son James became the master of a coastal trading ship. Certificate No. 44 was issued to him on 3 Sept 1873 (within jurisdiction - limited distances). He was then 25 years old. Best wishes from Gwen

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Hello Marg & Everyone (I'm resending this as I sent it to the wrong address...sorry), John COCKCROFT married Jane Ann Turner at the Church of England Kincumber on 13 May 1846. They had the following children in the Gosford/ Brisbane Waters district: 1. William Cockcroft in 1847 2. James Cockcroft in 1848 (died in 1875 in Sydney) 3. Mary Ann Cockcroft in 1849 (married Andrew Hemepy in 1871 at Brisbane Waters) 4. Eliza Cockcroft in 1854 (died unmarried in 1870 in Brisbane Waters) 5. Ann A. Cockcroft in 1861 John Cockcroft was listed in the 1872 Greville Directory: Name: COCKCROFT, John Location of Event: Gosford, New South Wales Date: 1872 Occupation: carrier Notes: Source: Grevilles Post Office Directory, 1872, New South Wales. John Cockcroft died in 1901 in Gosford. Jane Ann had died in 1890, also at Gosford. I am related to Jane Ann Turner. Jane was the daughter of William Turner (convict) and Margaret Bates. When Margaret Bates married again to Philip Fitzpatrick, their eldest daughter Sarah Fitzpatrick married William CREIGHTON. I wonder if Sarah and William met because her older half-sister Jane & John Cockcroft knew the Creighton family at Gosford? Any descendents? Regards Wendy McKenzie

Hello Marg & Everyone thank you to everyone who has contacted me re the Creighton family. I am now in contact with long lost family and I am following up on all the leads you all have given me. I have gone through my family history notes and found family that moved to the Central Coast. I shall list them in my next e-mail Regards Wendy McKenzie

Hello MargM and John thankyou for your e-mails. I had thought that the Creighton Funeral Home must be connected somehow, but I don't know anything about it and would love to hear of it's early history. MUDDLE- I have seven sprogs listed for William MUDDLE & Elizabeth Creighton (and some Jacques names too). Did you mean you are descended from the Muddle family, Marg? I have ten sprogs listed for Robert WHITE and Margaret Creighton! I have nine sprogs for Robert Creighton and Mary Dulcibella Piper. My William Creighton, who married Sarah Fitzpatrick in Sydney, had eight sprogs that I have been able to identify but there may be more ... I think they 'forgot' to register them sometimes! Unfortunately I am too far from Gosford to be able to look anything up personally. I understand that the FHS at Gosford is very good. I am hoping to find out a little about the history of the area on this list. Reading everyones entries is really entertaining! Regards Wendy McKenzie

----- Original Message ----- From: "ian" <iandwmckenzie@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-COAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: [ANCC] CREIGHTON > Hello Everyone > I am new to this list and as far as I know only have one family connection > to the Central Coast. I am descended from Robert CREIGHTON (1788-1872) > and his wife Eliza Ann DUNLOP Hi Wendy Thats a pretty big family to have in your tree ! These are my Gt. gt. grandparents. > Elizabeth Creighton married William MUDDLE in 1853 at the Anglican Church, > Kincumber; So youre related to half the Hunter Valley too thru MUDDLE ! > Margaret Creighton married Robert Carvel WHITE in 1854 at > William & > Sarah Creighton are my Gt. gt. grandparents. A lady I know of , Ann ANDERSON , is also a WHITE/ CREIGHTON descendant. I dont have her email address to hand but can get it . > I would be delighted to hear from any Creighton descendents. Suggest you get in touch with Clare who lives up in Cairns eisus@optusnet.com.au Gosford Library has some CREIGHTON memorabillia and their accounts on film 1909 - 1989 The CC FHS have indexed these records and published on fiche and CD Bye MargM Central Coast List Admin

Hello Everyone I am new to this list and as far as I know only have one family connection to the Central Coast. I am descended from Robert CREIGHTON (1788-1872) and his wife Eliza Ann DUNLOP (c1788-1878). Robert and Eliza emigrated from Ireland in 1839 per 'Jessie' with their children- William Creighton (born Ballymore, Ireland in 1827), Elizabeth Creighton (born Ireland in 1828), Margaret Creighton (born Ireland in c1830?) and Robert Creighton (born Downpartick, Ireland in 1832). William Creighton married Sarah FITZPATRICK (listed as Fitzgerald in NSWBDM) in 1853 at St. James Church, Sydney. These are my Gt. gt. grandparents. Elizabeth Creighton married William MUDDLE in 1853 at the Anglican Church, Kincumber; Margaret Creighton married Robert Carvel WHITE in 1854 at the Anglican Church, Kincumber Robert Creighton married Mary Dulcibella PIPER in 1857 at St. Andrew's Anglican Cathedral, Sydney . William & Sarah Creighton are my Gt. gt. grandparents. They lived most of their lives in Sydney, but I believe they may have had some children in the Brisbane Waters area that may have actually been registered in Sydney. Their children were- Robert Creighton (1854-1854). I am not positive about this child being theirs! William P. Creighton (1857-1919) George Creighton (c1861) Elizabeth Jane Creighton (a.k.a. Eliza Jane). (1864-1913). My Gt. Grandmother who married William PATE, then William MORRIS. Emily Creighton (1867). Was married to an Unknown FLEMING in 1913. Adelina Creighton (1869) (a.k.a Ada). Married George HERBERT in 1895 Margaret Creighton (1880) Percy Creighton (1883). Can't find birth record but could be Sydney T. Creighton born in 1883 to William & Sarah Creighton. I would be delighted to hear from any Creighton descendents. I can add to the above, but also have gaps and mysteries of my own! Happy New Year Wendy Mckenzie