Dear All Linda I'm almost tempted to put something on that thread just to get the photograph! Thanks for the various replies re my recalcitrant John Kelly. Oh for a less common name. I will also try and eliminate those who are unlikely. The other interesting clue is he named his last child Sydney Hercules, the Hercules being a convict ship that did come to Sydney, but I know one can't work that way. Cheers Rae -- Everybody has a story-isn't it time you wrote yours? Luckie Consulting Services ABN 38 577 346 871 Lifewriting Workshops Professional Writing, Editing and Publishing Incorporating Belvedere Press