I'm new to this list and I am looking for information on John(Jack) Anderson who married Eliza Gertrude Geary in Corowa, NSW in 1907. Their family of at least six children as follows - John/Jack Kathleen Margaret Thomas William Francis(my husband's father) were all born between 1908 and 1916 in Corowa. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Lesley Anderson, Heathcote, Victoria. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/02

Many thanks for the replies on "civilian farm learners". As suggested, it might be if some help to mention some more details.He was Frederick George Probets, known as Fred ( and later known also as Rex). He sailed from London on 24th May 1923 on SS Ballarat, arriving in Sydney 23rd July 1923. The Master of the ship was A.H.Highett and the agent was Gilchrest, Watt and Sanderson. He was from Devon where he had been working on farms from the age of 14. He returned to England late 1931, after spending the intervening years in NSW. Unfortunately I don’t know just where or how long in any one place. I do know that when he returned to Australia in 1949 with a wife and 5 children he already had a job lined up at Breakfast Creek station, NSW where the manager/owner was someone he’d worked for before. Thanks for your ideas, Sue. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC!

I'd suggest giving your father's name would be a good start, as someone might recognise it. Secondly, we have a friend who came out in similar circumstances, and they have formed an association of the boys who came on that boat - so what was the name of the vessel? Mary Herbert herbert@westserv.net.au snail mail to "Slimbridge" Bedgerebong NSW 2871 -------Original Message------- From: AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 13 August 2002 08:26:10 PM To: AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NSW-C] civilian farm learners I am trying to trace my fathers movements when he came to Australia from England in July 1923, aged 18. He was on a passenger list titled "civilian farm learners." From what I remember him saying, he was met at the ship in Sydney, taken to the railway station, put on a train bound for Nyngan where he was met and taken by horse and cart to the farm where he began work. My query is - does anyone know ANYTHING about the "civilian farm learners" scheme? The only "clue" as to where he may have worked is a photo, on the back of which is written "me at Scotts". Presumably the farmers name was Scott. I believe that the Commonwealth Govt encouraged farmers to "sponsor" one of these farm learners and promise employment for a certain time. If this is so would there be a "register" or some form of record as to who the sponsors were and the names of those they took on? The name of the town Gulargabone is familiar to my brother - he listened more intently than I did to Dads stories - but we don’t know when he might have been in that area. As he was just 18 he wouldn’t have been on the electoral roll - any ideas where to start? Sue. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC!

Hi Sue, Not sure, but this sounds a little bit to me like what we had in Victoria as the "Big Brother Movement", and the ones who came out were "Little Brothers". It is the right time, and he was the right age, although my impression is that the "Little Brothers" were relatively younger. 1926 rings a bell for here, so you may be talking of a precursor. I don't know where to find the records for them, but a search of the net and library catalogues under those terms might find something that would confirm or eliminate this as a possibility Linda

I am trying to trace my fathers movements when he came to Australia from England in July 1923, aged 18. He was on a passenger list titled "civilian farm learners." From what I remember him saying, he was met at the ship in Sydney, taken to the railway station, put on a train bound for Nyngan where he was met and taken by horse and cart to the farm where he began work. My query is - does anyone know ANYTHING about the "civilian farm learners" scheme? The only "clue" as to where he may have worked is a photo, on the back of which is written "me at Scotts". Presumably the farmers name was Scott. I believe that the Commonwealth Govt encouraged farmers to "sponsor" one of these farm learners and promise employment for a certain time. If this is so, would there be a "register" or some form of record as to who the sponsors were and the names of those they took on? The name of the town Gulargabone is familiar to my brother - he listened more intently than I did to Dads stories - but we don’t know when he might have been in that area. As he was just 18 he wouldn’t have been on the electoral roll - any ideas where to start? Sue. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC!

Sue - re Germantown - let me know the names of your rels born at Germantown, as I have access to quite a bit regarding the area. Maybe we can pin it down for you. Jann Gallen Hill End-Tambaroora/Bathurst ----- Original Message ----- From: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-D Digest V02 #28

Sue - Hill End does have an area which used to be known as Germantown, but it wasn't recognised as a township, or a formal locality. Today, it is represented by only a couple of buildings and an apple orchard at Germantown Lane. I feel the Holbrook description may be the direction to take. Jann Gallen Hill End-Tambaroora/Bathurst ----- Original Message ----- From: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-D Digest V02 #28

Hello Sue I have in my records that Holbrook was spelt both Germanton and Germantown..The first Europeans to see the area were Hume and Hovell, who passed through the region in 1824. The first settler in the district, John Purtell, called the area "Ten Mile Creek", since it was ten miles from the nearest settlement at the time, Father Therry's station. That was in 1838, and within a year, Johann Chirstoff Pasbst and John Mitten opened the Woolpack Inn at Ten Mile Creek. In 1852 Past was granted a one square mile piece of land, where his Inn stood. It was from this grant that the township of Holbrook emerged, and the nationality of the grantee gave the town it's first name - Germanton. The 1866 Robertson Land Act attracted many people into NSW from Victoria, and since it is near the border, the population of the Holbrook area grew. The first mill in Germanton opened in 1871, and in 1881 the town's population was 201. The turn of the century saw two major forces come into effect in Germanton. On a positive note, the town was connected to the state's railway network in 1902, after many years of lobbying by local people. Unfortunately, 1902 also saw one of the worst droughts ever recorded in the area, and many people left the area when their farms dried up. In 1906 there were 500 people in the town and 2000 in the district. In 1915, Germanton was renamed Holbrook, as the people of the area felt uncomfortable with the un-patriotic connotations of the previous name. After a vote the people of the town chose to honour Lieutenant (later Commander) Norman Holbrook, RN, who had recently been awarded the Victoria Cross for actions in the Dardanelles. Regards Alan Alan.Eade@bigpond.com Alan Eade

Hi Wendy Thankyou for your help Regards Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy Firth To: AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-C] Germantown when was the name changed please Hi Sue, As far as I know Germantown was part of Hill End during the gold digging era, and is still called that today, however someone may know better. Regards, Wendy Firth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Watts" <s_ollieone@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:23 PM Subject: [NSW-C] Germantown when was the name changed please > Hi l was wondering if anyone can tell me when Germantown name was changed and why and exactly where it was. I have relatives born there in late 1800's. > > Any help appreciated. > > Regards Sue > >

Hi Sue, As far as I know Germantown was part of Hill End during the gold digging era, and is still called that today, however someone may know better. Regards, Wendy Firth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Watts" <s_ollieone@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:23 PM Subject: [NSW-C] Germantown when was the name changed please > Hi l was wondering if anyone can tell me when Germantown name was changed and why and exactly where it was. I have relatives born there in late 1800's. > > Any help appreciated. > > Regards Sue > >

Hi l was wondering if anyone can tell me when Germantown name was changed and why and exactly where it was. I have relatives born there in late 1800's. Any help appreciated. Regards Sue

Oop's sorry, replied before I checked the rest of my mail, my apologies for doubling up Regards Marg

Hi David From Carcoar cem listing SMITH, Honorah died 4 Nov 1891, aged 65 years [dau of Thomas McHugh (or McKeogh) and Margaret Dempsey. Marr'd Jeremiah SMITH. Died Carcoar. Buried Carcoar RC Private vault. Regards Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bales" <sandave@ceinternet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: [NSW-C] Honara-Nora Smith,Regan,McGrath = Carcoar?

I'm trying to help a non lister find her elusive SMITH family. I don't have any Smith line thank goodness. My friend has 13 Honora Smith possibitities she is gradually eliminating and is down to 5. One died 1891 in Carcoar, the daughter of Thomas and Margaret. This is a good possibility. The Smiths were also at Yass and Boorowa. Does anyone have ideas where Carcoar Cemetery listings can be checked on line. Any advice gratefully received especially also family links to the SMITH line. The Honora SMITH we're trying to find was Honora McGrath who married 1 John REGAN 2. George SMITH 1845 Yass David Wyoming NSW

Honora SMITH died at carcoar, 4 November 1891 aged 65 years. She was the daughter of Thomas McHUGH or McKEOGH and Margaret DEMPSEY, she married Jeramiah SMITH, buried at Carcoar in a private vault. Cher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bales" <sandave@ceinternet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: [NSW-C] Honara-Nora Smith,Regan,McGrath = Carcoar? > I'm trying to help a non lister find her elusive SMITH family. I don't have any Smith line thank goodness. My friend has 13 Honora Smith possibitities she is gradually eliminating and is down to 5. One died 1891 in Carcoar, the daughter of Thomas and Margaret. This is a good possibility. The Smiths were also at Yass and Boorowa. Does anyone have ideas where Carcoar Cemetery listings can be checked on line. Any advice gratefully received especially also family links to the SMITH line. > The Honora SMITH we're trying to find was Honora McGrath who married 1 John REGAN 2. George SMITH 1845 Yass > David > Wyoming NSW > > >

I have Carcoar cemetery transcripts, who are you looking for Cher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bales" <sandave@ceinternet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: [NSW-C] Honara-Nora Smith,Regan,McGrath = Carcoar? > I'm trying to help a non lister find her elusive SMITH family. I don't have any Smith line thank goodness. My friend has 13 Honora Smith possibitities she is gradually eliminating and is down to 5. One died 1891 in Carcoar, the daughter of Thomas and Margaret. This is a good possibility. The Smiths were also at Yass and Boorowa. Does anyone have ideas where Carcoar Cemetery listings can be checked on line. Any advice gratefully received especially also family links to the SMITH line. > The Honora SMITH we're trying to find was Honora McGrath who married 1 John REGAN 2. George SMITH 1845 Yass > David > Wyoming NSW > > >

Hi Penny, Margaret Kelly, mother of the bride, gave consent for her daughter Margaret Kelly, to marry Michael Fitzpatrick, 26 July 1861 at Wangoola, Roman Catholic. This is my sister-in-laws line. Have been assisting her with the research. Regards Jan Downey

Penny can you find a death for Joanna maybe that will help. Alsoi look for a death for William that might help just plough through cemetery listing for that area. And look for deaths up to he would have been about 20 a lot of people died by there early teens. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny F H" <pjmg2@primus.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: [NSW-C] My Brick Wall - Kelly/McLeod.McInerney > Hi all, > > I have hit several brick walls, and would welcome any suggestions that might > help me knock some down. > > Henry Kelly married Margaret McLeod 11 June 1841 Bathurst. Both were > working for/assigned to an Arthur Rankin at Glen Logan near Cowra. Their > children were > John (c. 1839 - 1891) m Catherine Jones > William (1841- ?) > Anne (1842- 1924) m.1 Daniel Neville, m 2 William Artery > Margaret Kelly (1844 - ?) m Michael Fitzpatrick > Jessie/Janet Kelly (c. 1845/46 - 1940) m. Patrick Dwyer > Joanna Kelly (1846- ?) > Henry Kelly (1851 - ?) m Mary Ann Newham (nee Jones) > > All of their children were born in the Cowra district. > > Margaret married Patrick McInerney on 23 April 1860 at Cowra. On the > wedding certificate, she described herself as a widow. I have been unable > to find any record of Henry Kelly's death, either before or after this date > (allowing for the possibility that he did a runner). > > I am also unable to find Margaret's death. I know that she was still alive > in 1865, to give permission for her daughter Jessie to marry. She was born > about 1818. > > Their daughters Jessie and Joanna are another problem. Jessie married as > Jessie, but gave her name as Janet or Janet Mary on most of the birth > registrations (on one she gave her name as Mary Elizabeth). I can find no > record of her birth, and I can find no record for a marriage or death of > Joanna. I know that Janet and Jessie were interchangeable in Scottish > families, has anyone ever heard of Joanna being interchanged for Janet or > Jessie? Details from Jessie's childrens' birth certificates put her date of > birth about 1845/46, which makes me wonder if Joanna and Jessie/Janet are > the same person. > > Their son, William, is another mystery. I have his birth and baptism, but > nothing else. I am plowing through various marriage certificates, via a > transcription service, but no success yet. > > Any ideas greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Penny > > >

Thanks David. It would be much appreciated. regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beddie" <dbeddie@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-C] FLOOD > Hi Helen, > > Thanks for the note. I seem to remember that there was a Matilda Flood marrying > into the Beddie family. I had a quick look through my records and did not see > anything, however that doesn't mean it did not occur. > > I will chase up further and advise, hopefully, within a few days. If I dont have > a record, I know of some others who would know. > > Regards > David > > tellig@ozemail.com.au wrote: > > > Hi David > > I am researching the Flood family. > > I was told that a William Beddie married Matilda Flood. Matilda was born > > 1849 Ulong, Wagga Wagga. I could not find a record of their marriage. > > Matilda is a grandaughter of Joseph Flood & Ann Germaine both were convicts. > > I was hoping that someone in the Beddie line could tell me if she did marry > > a Beddie. > > Here's hoping! > > Regards > > Helen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Beddie" <dbeddie@ozemail.com.au> > > To: <AUS-NSW-CENTRAL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [NSW-C] FLOOD > > > > > Hi Helen, > > > > > > What link to the Beddie's do you have? > > > > > > Regards > > > David Beddie, Raby, NSW > > > > >

Hi all, I have hit several brick walls, and would welcome any suggestions that might help me knock some down. Henry Kelly married Margaret McLeod 11 June 1841 Bathurst. Both were working for/assigned to an Arthur Rankin at Glen Logan near Cowra. Their children were John (c. 1839 - 1891) m Catherine Jones William (1841- ?) Anne (1842- 1924) m.1 Daniel Neville, m 2 William Artery Margaret Kelly (1844 - ?) m Michael Fitzpatrick Jessie/Janet Kelly (c. 1845/46 - 1940) m. Patrick Dwyer Joanna Kelly (1846- ?) Henry Kelly (1851 - ?) m Mary Ann Newham (nee Jones) All of their children were born in the Cowra district. Margaret married Patrick McInerney on 23 April 1860 at Cowra. On the wedding certificate, she described herself as a widow. I have been unable to find any record of Henry Kelly's death, either before or after this date (allowing for the possibility that he did a runner). I am also unable to find Margaret's death. I know that she was still alive in 1865, to give permission for her daughter Jessie to marry. She was born about 1818. Their daughters Jessie and Joanna are another problem. Jessie married as Jessie, but gave her name as Janet or Janet Mary on most of the birth registrations (on one she gave her name as Mary Elizabeth). I can find no record of her birth, and I can find no record for a marriage or death of Joanna. I know that Janet and Jessie were interchangeable in Scottish families, has anyone ever heard of Joanna being interchanged for Janet or Jessie? Details from Jessie's childrens' birth certificates put her date of birth about 1845/46, which makes me wonder if Joanna and Jessie/Janet are the same person. Their son, William, is another mystery. I have his birth and baptism, but nothing else. I am plowing through various marriage certificates, via a transcription service, but no success yet. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Penny