Hi Marg, Thanks for your input I've had similar outcomes. I'm awaiting the certificate.... probably should be more patient! It was Annie Caugheys second marriage and she was born in Victoria 10/05/1887 as Annie Victoria Alberta Fisher. Father William Fisher Mother: Matilda Harding Newberry. John Oliver I know nothing about until I get a hold of their marriage cert. Annie Macdonald died 22/08/1960 and was buried with her son at Rookwood Cemetery. I haven't found John either. .. her death certificate maybe an option too.... Appreciated Ruth