The following is a guide on the LPI website Searching the Registrar General's Maps Plans <http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/150706/Searching_RG_M aps_Plans.pdf>

Good Morning, The following may help re Conditional Purchases and the name on the parish map. http://tinyurl.com/pcm25os Regards Terry Callaghan www.terrycallaghan.com Introduction A conditional purchase (CP) may have had a number of owners before the final payment was made and all conditions satisfied as the name on the parish map is that of the person who made the final payment that may or may not be the person you are researching. So if you do not know the parish or district of your ancestor you must search all the Conditional Purchase records at Kingswood. These records are not in alphabetical order but in order of the Conditional Purchase number. This data base has sorted these records into alphabetical order. Background to Conditional Purchases. In 1863 the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales directed ‘that there be laid upon the table of this House :‐ A Tabular Return shewing the names of all persons who have purchased Land conditionally under the Land Alienation Act of 1861, to the 31st October 1863: the quantity of Land in each purchase; the 1st or 2nd class Settled Districts, or the Unsettled Districts, wherein the Land is situated; the amount of money received on each lot; the balance remaining to be received; the date when the balance of the purchase money shall be payable…’ The procedure was that each major rural centre had a Land office. The land agent would record the name of the conditional purchaser, the residence and nearest post town and the date and time of selection and record a detailed description of the property boundaries. The application would be forwarded to Sydney where it would be given a number: the first two digits would be the year received and the last four the applicant number for that year. Unfortunately for researchers from 1862 to 1874 the records are indexed according to the locality and not by name and in numerical order of the CP number. So if you find that your ancestor was farmer but you can’t find any record of him on the parish map, the Torrens Title Index, Old System Index, Vendors Index or Old Title Purchaser Index. If this is the case it means that he was a conditional purchaser who had not yet meet all the conditions for purchase. To determine the Conditional Purchase (CP) number using the records in this data base you must subtract three years from the year that the balance payment is due. For example:‐ Conditional Purchase Cond Purchase No Surname First Name Area a r p District Class Amount Recd £ s d Balance due £ s d Date Balance Due 2093 Abberton James 48.0.0 Goulburn 1st Class 12.0.0 36.0.0 8/04/1865 The CP number for James Abberton would be the year the balance payment is due minus three i.e. CP62‐2093. Using this number you then can access all the records relating to this purchase. See ‘Using Conditional purchase records. State Records NSW Archives in Brief 94. Some References. Background to Conditional purchase of Crown Land. State records of NSW Archives in Brief 93 Using Conditional purchase records. State Records NSW Archives in Brief 94 ( a must see) Baker, D.W.A. The Origins of Robertson’s Land Acts. Historical Studies Australia & New Zealand. Vol 8, Nov 1957 – May 1959 . p.166 ff Walker, R. B. Squatter and Selector in New England, 1862 – 95. Historical Studies Australia & New Zealand. Vol 8, Nov 1957 – May 1959 . p.66 ff Simpson, Archibald. Handbook of the Crown Lands Alienation Acts of NSW. 1882 Ferry, John. New South Wales Land Records and Family History. In First International Congress of Family History. 1988. Sydney. King C.J. An Outline of Closer Settlement in NSW. Part 1. The Sequence of Land Laws. 1788 – 1956. Dept. Of Agriculture. 1957 Sydney.

Hello Suzanne I asked a friend who has some experience with parish maps and this is her response: " Have not had cause to look up any Conditional Leases here is the precious little I know. CL is Conditional Lease CP is Conditional Purchase the 08 relates to the year and the other number just an identifying number. As for the dates CP were able to be converted to Freehold purchase from 1904 and CL in 1905 so the dates probably relate to either the date the CL was taken out or when it was or was able to be converted to a purchase. Having a look at the record should note what the date was referring to. At the land office these are in books. Not having actually had much to do with these I am not much help. Regards Allan -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne England via Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 08:18 To: john.mail@ozemail.com.au; aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps Hi John, Thanks for your reply - I also thought that it would be the date that it was granted but one of the names on the lease, MJ FITZPATRICK actually died in 1895. The other person on the lease is an MR LOWE who was still alive in 1906 but the 1912 parish map reads that the land is now in the hands of the "exrs of the late MJ FitzPatrick Snr". So I am basically trying to figure out how this could be. There is a son, also MJ FitzPatrick, who I originally assumed was the co- lessee until I looked at the 1912 parish map. I hope that makes sense. I'm sure ive missed something very obvious... like when you are looking for the peanut butter and its staring at you right in front of your nose! Cheers Sue -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john.mail via Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2015 10:22 PM To: Suzanne England' [suee@fitzossory.com] Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps Hello, " date 8th April 1908 written across it ( CL08.53)" would mean 53rd Conditional Lease of 1908, granted n 8 April 1908 I would guess. If it were an application it would be called perhaps CLA ... but such unlikely to be put on maps. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne England" aus-nsw@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 18 Mar 2015 18:03:42 +1100 Subject:[AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps Hello list, I am still getting my head around understanding the codes/symbols and meaning of dates on portions of land in old parish maps before I head out to State Archives again. On the 1895 Parish map of Merinda, there is a portion of land on Conditional Lease that has the date 8th April 1908 written across it ( CL08.53); I was wondering if there were any experts out there (Terry?) who could tell me what that date refers to eg. The time that the lease was taken out/approved or the time that the lease expires or..? If anyone can help I'm happy to send an image of the portion of land if that is any help. Cheers Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, Thanks for your reply - I also thought that it would be the date that it was granted but one of the names on the lease, MJ FITZPATRICK actually died in 1895. The other person on the lease is an MR LOWE who was still alive in 1906 but the 1912 parish map reads that the land is now in the hands of the "exrs of the late MJ FitzPatrick Snr". So I am basically trying to figure out how this could be. There is a son, also MJ FitzPatrick, who I originally assumed was the co- lessee until I looked at the 1912 parish map. I hope that makes sense. I'm sure ive missed something very obvious... like when you are looking for the peanut butter and its staring at you right in front of your nose! Cheers Sue -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john.mail via Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2015 10:22 PM To: Suzanne England' [suee@fitzossory.com] Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps Hello, " date 8th April 1908 written across it ( CL08.53)" would mean 53rd Conditional Lease of 1908, granted n 8 April 1908 I would guess. If it were an application it would be called perhaps CLA ... but such unlikely to be put on maps. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne England" aus-nsw@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 18 Mar 2015 18:03:42 +1100 Subject:[AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps Hello list, I am still getting my head around understanding the codes/symbols and meaning of dates on portions of land in old parish maps before I head out to State Archives again. On the 1895 Parish map of Merinda, there is a portion of land on Conditional Lease that has the date 8th April 1908 written across it ( CL08.53); I was wondering if there were any experts out there (Terry?) who could tell me what that date refers to eg. The time that the lease was taken out/approved or the time that the lease expires or..? If anyone can help I'm happy to send an image of the portion of land if that is any help. Cheers Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karen,I'm not sure about official records, but occasionally I have found a more detailed article using TROVE that covers the legal process and/or outcome, perhaps with details on the person involved.cheers,ElaineAUS Descendant in Reno, Nevada On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 6:20 PM, Karen Mabey via <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi List Just wondering  if I find something in the NSW Police Gazettes 1918 on Ancestry is there any way I can get any more information about it please? Not sure where to look or what field to take. Thanks in Advance Regards Karen. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

  Hello, " date 8th April 1908 written across it ( CL08.53)" would mean 53rd Conditional Lease of 1908,  granted n 8 April 1908 I would guess. If it were an application it would be called perhaps CLA ... but such unlikely to be put on maps. Cheers,   John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne England" aus-nsw@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 18 Mar 2015 18:03:42 +1100 Subject:[AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps Hello list, I am still getting my head around understanding the codes/symbols and meaning of dates on portions of land in old parish maps before I head out to State Archives again. On the 1895 Parish map of Merinda, there is a portion of land on Conditional Lease that has the date 8th April 1908 written across it ( CL08.53); I was wondering if there were any experts out there (Terry?) who could tell me what that date refers to eg. The time that the lease was taken out/approved or the time that the lease expires or..? If anyone can help I'm happy to send an image of the portion of land if that is any help. Cheers Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, I am still getting my head around understanding the codes/symbols and meaning of dates on portions of land in old parish maps before I head out to State Archives again. On the 1895 Parish map of Merinda, there is a portion of land on Conditional Lease that has the date 8th April 1908 written across it ( CL08.53); I was wondering if there were any experts out there (Terry?) who could tell me what that date refers to eg. The time that the lease was taken out/approved or the time that the lease expires or..? If anyone can help I'm happy to send an image of the portion of land if that is any help. Cheers Sue

Good Morning, Now available are all the surnames commencing with the letter 'A'. I will progressively added others. This date base contains 34,200 entries to date. Follow the link for the "A"s. Terry <http://tinyurl.com/l4e5j8f> http://tinyurl.com/l4e5j8f

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Farrell via" <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-NSW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 8:56 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Roy Boyd and Mary Anne (nee Doherty) BLAIR > Hi, > > Trying to determine Roy Boyd Blair's father and mother. It was > suggested I > check his marriage record for him and Mary Anne Doherty, 1922 > in Narrandera, > New South Wales, but all I can find is the year and a > Registration Number: > 3073. Hi Lewis This is an index ! > Is there any way to get this info without spending the $31 at > the NSW BDM? You can get transcriptions of most of NSW BDMs for $20 . Are 3 agents. See BDMS web site A check in Ancestry indexes reveals a birth record of a Roy Boyd BLAIR to father n/k mother Mary BLAIR 6 Oct 1895. Ulverstone TAS . Maybe he didnt stay in AUS as not in the electoral rolls to 1980 ??? BDM records for Tasmania to 1899 are on film in some libraries . Can be looked up for free. Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4306/9302 - Release Date: 03/14/15

Lewis, found the following birth index & hope it helps cheers, Elaine TAS Descendant in Reno, Nevada Roy Boyd Blair Birth Date:06 Oct 1895 Father's name:U Blair Mother's name:Mary Blair Birth Place:Tasmania Registration Year:1895 Registration Place:Ulverstone, Tasmania Registration Number:2827 On Saturday, March 14, 2015 2:57 PM, Lewis Farrell via <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi, Trying to determine Roy Boyd Blair's father and mother. It was suggested I check his marriage record for him and Mary Anne Doherty, 1922 in Narrandera, New South Wales, but all I can find is the year and a Registration Number: 3073. Is there any way to get this info without spending the $31 at the NSW BDM? Thanks for your help and assistance, Lewis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Trying to determine Roy Boyd Blair's father and mother. It was suggested I check his marriage record for him and Mary Anne Doherty, 1922 in Narrandera, New South Wales, but all I can find is the year and a Registration Number: 3073. Is there any way to get this info without spending the $31 at the NSW BDM? Thanks for your help and assistance, Lewis

Greetings Listers Firstly, my apologies for sending this email to multiple lists I would really like to make contact with anyone involved with or researching this family and would be delighted to share what information I have Fingers crossed Patrick Callaghan SMH 19 October 1962 O'CONNOR Patrick 18 October 1962, at hospital, of 11 Creewood St. Concord, relict of Anne O'Connor, father of Mary (Mrs. Sacks deceased) and James, Grandfather of Lorraine, Carol and James and great grandfather of Susan, Deborah, Jennifer, Cathy and John Aged 85. The funeral was held at St. Mary's church, Concord on 22 October 1962 and proceeded to the Cath-olic cemetery at Rookwood.

Have a look across the ditch just in case (New Zealand), also change his name around, there are quite a few trees both public and private on ancestry (but take some of those with a grain of salt).. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Val Date via Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015 7:02 PM To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] AUS-NSW Digest, Vol 10, Issue 28 Thankyou Jenny, A number of people have sent this info to me, and I'm grateful to you all for showing such a keen interest in my search for answers. Now I need to know what became of Robert Charles Leonard SCOTT after 1922! Thankyou all, Val ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou Jenny, A number of people have sent this info to me, and I'm grateful to you all for showing such a keen interest in my search for answers. Now I need to know what became of Robert Charles Leonard SCOTT after 1922! Thankyou all, Val

Found this on Trove. He's mentioned in a serious court case in 1923. He was found not guilty:http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/65281571?searchTerm=Robert+charles+leonard+scott&searchLimits= Jenny W [Brisbane]      <<I've almost given up trying to find out what became of Robert Charles Leonard SCOTT born in Tassie in 1904, parents were Thomas SCOTT and Malvena Claire QUIN/QUINN. He was alive circa 1914 living with his parents in Victoria, but I have no idea what became of him after then.    I've tried the Ryerson Index, Ancestry.com.au, WW2 service records. Hope someone can shed light on this problem for me.  Regards, Val Date>>

I've almost given up trying to find out what became of Robert Charles Leonard SCOTT born in Tassie in 1904, parents were Thomas SCOTT and Malvena Claire QUIN/QUINN. He was alive circa 1914 living with his parents in Victoria, but I have no idea what became of him after then. I've tried the Ryerson Index, Ancestry.com.au, WW2 service records. Hope someone can shed light on this problem for me. Regards, Val Date

----- Original Message ----- From: "willybe via" <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Lal Meer > Hopimg...Does anyone have knowledge of Afghanistan/India ..My > Grandfather was Lal Meer..his parents were Lal Hong > (independent)..& Zabego. The only info I have is from his death > cert which states he was born Afghanistan India..the informer > (Doctor) wrote Alfridi ..He died Sydney 1919..His occupation > was fishmonger..I'm wondering re. the meaning of his & his > parents names. Hi Lillian Have a wonder around http://www.cyndislist.com/ .They have a few refs to Afghanistan and more on India What does Mr Google know ? Lal MEER doesn't seem to have a large footprint in the records . Are refs to 3 divorces in State Records but to a later MEER and he got into some trouble over an assault 1914 ish Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4299/9181 - Release Date: 02/25/15

A search for "Lal Meer" in Trove brings up a number of articles, including: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/115680241 -- witness in murder retrial http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15119862 -- charged with assault - fish hawker, age 34 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15443044 - mistaken identity of man alleged to have assaulted him hope these help, cheers, Elaine AUS Descendant in Reno, Nevada On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:32 PM, MargM via <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "willybe via" <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Lal Meer > Hopimg...Does anyone have knowledge of Afghanistan/India ..My > Grandfather was Lal Meer..his parents were Lal Hong > (independent)..& Zabego. The only info I have is from his death > cert which states he was born Afghanistan India..the informer > (Doctor) wrote Alfridi ..He died Sydney 1919..His occupation > was fishmonger..I'm wondering re. the meaning of his & his > parents names. Hi Lillian Have a wonder around http://www.cyndislist.com/ .They have a few refs to Afghanistan and more on India What does Mr Google know ? Lal MEER doesn't seem to have a large footprint in the records . Are refs to 3 divorces in State Records but to a later MEER and he got into some trouble over an assault 1914 ish Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4299/9181 - Release Date: 02/25/15 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hopimg...Does anyone have knowledge of Afghanistan/India ..My Grandfather was Lal Meer..his parents were Lal Hong (independent)..& Zabego. The only info I have is from his death cert which states he was born Afghanistan India..the informer (Doctor) wrote Alfridi ..He died Sydney 1919..His occupation was fishmonger..I'm wondering re. the meaning of his & his parents names. Any info would be appreciated.. Lillian

The Alexander Charles who married Eliza Gavin was born in Forfarshire, Scotland.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dianna charles via Sent: Sunday, 22 February 2015 1:07 PM To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-NSW] William CHARLES and Ellen NOWLAN Hi I’m trying to find a connection to the above William and Ellen CHARLES who were married in Parramatta in 1860 to my GGGrandfather Alexander CHARLES who married Eliza GAVIN. My Alexander was a stonemason who was overseer to the extensions on Parramatta Gaol, I haven’t found any other projects he was involved in as yet. I’ve looked on the BDM for events in William and Ellen’s lives and found their marriage in 1860 and it seems they may have had 4 children NOWLAN, b 1861 died 1861, MARY A b 1865 and ISABELLA b 1870. There was a death in 1924 of a JAMES to William and Ellen but I have not found his birth. I thought that these two could be cousins perhaps ie William and Alexander of course maybe no relation at all but would love to know. When I look on Trove for information it’s a bit difficult re the William and Charles being christen names I can’t seem to find anything with the CHARLES surname. Anyway if anyone can suggest how to find out a bit more on William and Ellen that would be great. Alexander Charles came to Australia (Victoria) on the NORWOOD from Scotland in 1854. Apparently whilst living in the Glebe area apparently was reported as not paying child support for a baby he had fathered, don’t know what happened to that child. Kindest regards and many thanks Dianna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message