Hi Tony I am sure you would have googled, Troved and visited every Govt site to cover every aspect as I know your search has covered well over a decade but I did find these http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/parish_maps and maybe there is a clue http://coraweb.com.au/mapsland.htm Good luck Joanne Joanne T Flack Sent from my iPad > On Apr 8, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Tony Moore via <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Great grandfather's birth (W R MOORE), is shown as Glen Logan in 1841 (Glen > Logan civil parish is north west of modern Cowra.) WR's father's > occupation is given as "merchant" on the 1843 baptism record of then young > Colin Stewart, Presbyterian Minister . An earlier family researcher (now > deceased) put his birth at Merriganowry. Possibly family tradition, but > cannot be sure. > > The family arrived from Co. Cavan, Ireland in 1840 as bounty passengers, he > a shepherd and wife Sarah a house servant. They were sponsored through A.B. > Smith & Co. Both stated that they could read and write. > > I suspect because they could read and write the "merchant" meant that he > managed the "store / shop" for one of the squatters. > > The prominent initial squatters in that region were Grant, Ranken, Redfern > and Sloan. I suspect there were little or no fences. > > My understanding of the land issues in that region suggests that the > squatters runs seemed to have "very flexible" boundaries and descriptions > may even have overlapped. The Lachlan River was the "limits of location" or > "boundaries of settlement" of the colony. If you crossed the Lachlan to the > south-west, you were outside these limits. Cowra as a village didn't exist > at that time. > > The book "Cowra on the Lachlan" by J Marriott, which I own, is very light > on details for that period. Wm MOORE is mentioned pg 27, but that is 1854 > in Cowra village. > > Question 1: are there any MAPS, SKETCHES, DESCRIPTIONS etc because all this > region was officially unsurveyed until well into the 1850's??? > The earliest Civil parish map I can locate dated as 1884. > > Question 2: WR's father, William, probably overseer and/or store-keeper > and or manager for one of the squatters but WHICH ONE??? Where do I start > looking ?? I favour John Grant, an Irishman, from Merriganowry Run, but no > proof. There is also the possibility that it was on Arthur Ranken's > squatters run. > > > Any ideas and suggestions please. > > Thanks in anticipation, > > Tony Moore > (Castle Hill, NSW) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Grant was living around Canowindra area. He is my paternal great grand father. Louise Taylor. Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Apr 2015, at 10:27 pm, Tony Moore via <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Great grandfather's birth (W R MOORE), is shown as Glen Logan in 1841 (Glen > Logan civil parish is north west of modern Cowra.) WR's father's > occupation is given as "merchant" on the 1843 baptism record of then young > Colin Stewart, Presbyterian Minister . An earlier family researcher (now > deceased) put his birth at Merriganowry. Possibly family tradition, but > cannot be sure. > > The family arrived from Co. Cavan, Ireland in 1840 as bounty passengers, he > a shepherd and wife Sarah a house servant. They were sponsored through A.B. > Smith & Co. Both stated that they could read and write. > > I suspect because they could read and write the "merchant" meant that he > managed the "store / shop" for one of the squatters. > > The prominent initial squatters in that region were Grant, Ranken, Redfern > and Sloan. I suspect there were little or no fences. > > My understanding of the land issues in that region suggests that the > squatters runs seemed to have "very flexible" boundaries and descriptions > may even have overlapped. The Lachlan River was the "limits of location" or > "boundaries of settlement" of the colony. If you crossed the Lachlan to the > south-west, you were outside these limits. Cowra as a village didn't exist > at that time. > > The book "Cowra on the Lachlan" by J Marriott, which I own, is very light > on details for that period. Wm MOORE is mentioned pg 27, but that is 1854 > in Cowra village. > > Question 1: are there any MAPS, SKETCHES, DESCRIPTIONS etc because all this > region was officially unsurveyed until well into the 1850's??? > The earliest Civil parish map I can locate dated as 1884. > > Question 2: WR's father, William, probably overseer and/or store-keeper > and or manager for one of the squatters but WHICH ONE??? Where do I start > looking ?? I favour John Grant, an Irishman, from Merriganowry Run, but no > proof. There is also the possibility that it was on Arthur Ranken's > squatters run. > > > Any ideas and suggestions please. > > Thanks in anticipation, > > Tony Moore > (Castle Hill, NSW) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Friends, Great grandfather's birth (W R MOORE), is shown as Glen Logan in 1841 (Glen Logan civil parish is north west of modern Cowra.) WR's father's occupation is given as "merchant" on the 1843 baptism record of then young Colin Stewart, Presbyterian Minister . An earlier family researcher (now deceased) put his birth at Merriganowry. Possibly family tradition, but cannot be sure. The family arrived from Co. Cavan, Ireland in 1840 as bounty passengers, he a shepherd and wife Sarah a house servant. They were sponsored through A.B. Smith & Co. Both stated that they could read and write. I suspect because they could read and write the "merchant" meant that he managed the "store / shop" for one of the squatters. The prominent initial squatters in that region were Grant, Ranken, Redfern and Sloan. I suspect there were little or no fences. My understanding of the land issues in that region suggests that the squatters runs seemed to have "very flexible" boundaries and descriptions may even have overlapped. The Lachlan River was the "limits of location" or "boundaries of settlement" of the colony. If you crossed the Lachlan to the south-west, you were outside these limits. Cowra as a village didn't exist at that time. The book "Cowra on the Lachlan" by J Marriott, which I own, is very light on details for that period. Wm MOORE is mentioned pg 27, but that is 1854 in Cowra village. Question 1: are there any MAPS, SKETCHES, DESCRIPTIONS etc because all this region was officially unsurveyed until well into the 1850's??? The earliest Civil parish map I can locate dated as 1884. Question 2: WR's father, William, probably overseer and/or store-keeper and or manager for one of the squatters but WHICH ONE??? Where do I start looking ?? I favour John Grant, an Irishman, from Merriganowry Run, but no proof. There is also the possibility that it was on Arthur Ranken's squatters run. Any ideas and suggestions please. Thanks in anticipation, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW)

Hi Listers, Seeking a male MORGAN descended in a direct male line from UK MORGANS who were living in NSW mid 1800s I am hoping to find a male MORGAN who is prepared to take a DNA test with FTDNA ( Family Tree DNA ) in USA. Their tests are to find family members who are connected. Lex Campbell, Sydney Australia. E mail. kcam7375@bigpond.net.au --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I am searching for an Emily Dudley, born in Chippendale [Sydney] in 1861. There are several trees on Ancestry that give a marriage and a death date, however I have checked these and the parents are wrong as are the ages, in fact these also vary between the two records. Therefore not the correct Emily. There is a suggestion that she died in Gujarat in India but I have not found any details of a marriage or a death. Can any Lister assist please? Peter Melbourne --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

  Hello, I have a spot (at Putney) on a Parish map I would like to email to anyone who would offer opinion on the interpretation of the annotations. Contact me at john.mail@ozemail.com.au [1] Also are most "L"-prefix annotations references to LANDS department files? Does anyone know anything about Maritime Services Board file references, please? I have earlier enquired about markings re 1898 and other files of that century on Concord Parish Map (at Victoria Avenue, Concord West) re the case of Love vs. the Attorney General. In that case Love won, and the case has since been cited in (at last count) SIX Supreme Court cases in Canada. However following/finding files in Canada is just as hard as here I'm sorry to say --- I have found one the cases down to spot of a church, St. Anne's, near the eastern tip of Nova Scotia. Some Indians tried to claim that land there as they can prove they'd been there for over a hundred years. They took the case to the Supreme Court of Nova Scotia (but did NOT cite the case of Love vs. AG in NSW there) --- they FAILED, their application was rejected. They then went to the national Supreme Court of Canada -- cited the Love case precedent there, and they won the land. I don't yet know how influentially, if at all, the citing of the case of Love (1898) helped them - as it is can be very hard to probe Judge's minds from the written record that gets left behind. Cheers,   John     Cheers,   John   ~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" aus-nsw@rootsweb.com To:"Suzanne England" , , "Terry" Cc: Sent:Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:18:14 +1100 Subject:Re: [AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne England via" To: "'Terry'" ; Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps > Thanks for your advice Allan and Terry - I had done some > reading on the LPI website but couldn’t find the answer to my > question - perhaps I need to do a closer read. > And after reading your notes as well Terry, I think Allan's > friends advice to actually arrange a look at the record is > what it may take! > I hadn’t considered that the date could relate to the time that > it was able to be converted to a conditional purchase. That > would certainly make more sense in this particular instance. > > Sue, State Records have a lot of info : http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-94Bye MargMBeautiful NSW Central Coast ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4311/9333 - Release Date: 03/18/15 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootswebcom with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] mailto:john.mail@ozemail.com.au

Thank you Jenny, I have saved the information from Trove. It is relevant to note that at that time the “Moreton Bay District reached down to about Port Macquarie and the Upper Hunter at that time. Peter Melbourne From: Jenny W [mailto:lintywhite@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 9:58 AM To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Cc: p.strauss@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: Thomas LYNCHEY Hi Peter, Given that the ToL in 1844 says that Thomas was going to Moreton Bay, have you consider the following as a possibility for his death? http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3715124?searchTerm=Thomas+lynch <http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3715124?searchTerm=Thomas+lynch&searchLimits=l-decade=184|||l-year=1847|||l-state=Queensland> &searchLimits=l-decade=184|||l-year=1847|||l-state=Queensland I couldn't find a corresponding death record in either Qld or NSW online BDM indexes, but I have found similar cases where deaths went unregistered if there was an inquest. The newspaper doesn't say there was an inquest but there may have been. It might be worthwhile following up in the absence of any other possible death. One further point regarding not find a cert of freedom, from my understanding, a convict had to apply for one - it was not automatic. I have a similar case where a female convict didn't get hers for a further 8 years, she had no other convictions etc and it seems to be a case of just not getting around to applying for it. Hope some of that helps. Jenny W [Brisbane] <<I am trying to find details of Thomas Lynch(ey) my GG grandmother's brother Thomas was apparently born in County Down and was sentenced on the Isle of Man to transportation to New South Wales in 1833. He arrived in Sydney in 1835 and spent some, at least, of his time in the upper hunter valley where he received his Ticket of Leave from "The Muswellbrook Bench" in 1844. His sentence would have been completed in 1847 however no Certificate of Freedom has been found. There is no death or marriage recorded in Australia, including Convict Deaths in Custody. Thomas may have continued life as "LYNCH" Thomas was sentenced and transported as "LYNCHEY" however changing a name was a common exconvict way of starting anew, also throughout the 19th century "LYNCHEY" seems to have morphed into "LYNCH" and there are no "LYNCHEYs" listed today in the white pages of the Irish Republic or Ulster. Does any Lister have any information which may help me please?>> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Elaine, You would have seen my response to Josephine. Cheers Peter From: Elaine Hanford [mailto:ejhanford@att.net] Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 1:56 AM To: Joe Conray; 'Peter STRAUSS'; aus-nsw@rootsweb.com; aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] EMILY DUDLEY Peter, to help a bit, here are the reg references from the Ancestry.com trees to help you try to verify: Marriage to Robert White Merewether, New South Wales, Australia Ref 1637/1902 Death: NSW BMD Deaths Ref 12793/1923 Parents George & Mary (Dudley) Children: Alma White Annandale NSW BMD Births Ref 851/1904 Parents Robert and Emily Lyla White Leichhardt NSW BMD Births 1906 Ref 4437/1906 Parents Robert and Emily Zita White Petersham NSW BMD Births 1907 Ref 17127/1907 Parents Robert and Emily & Petersham NSW BMD Deaths Ref 11777/1911 Parents Robert and Emily the tree also lists 1930 Electoral Roll at 17 Maddock street, Petersham West for Robert (carrier), Emily (home duties) & Alma (typiste) Cheers, Elaine AUS Descendant in Reno, Nevada On Friday, March 20, 2015 2:31 AM, Joe Conray via <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi Peter I found a few family trees on Ancestry.com for Emily Dudley Emily Dudley was born 7 June 1861 Chippendale, Sydney, NSW And Died 21 June 1922 Sydney She Married Robert White abt 1902 in Merewether, NSW Children Alma 1904-1970, Lyla 1906-1977, Zita 1907-1911 On BDM there is also a possible Jack 1910, Norman 1911 and Ezma 1913. George Chapman Dudley born 1800 Eng and died 29 may 1868 His parents are Andrew Dudley and Maria Parker. He married Mary Ann Lynch 1858 she was born c1822 Co Down And died 28 Oct 1901 her parents are James Lynchey and Sarah Mullin died 15 June 1860 Sydney Hope this helps Josephine -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter STRAUSS via Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 2:47 PM To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com; aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com; india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-NSW] EMILY DUDLEY I am trying once again to find any details, or where details may be located on my 2nd Great Aunt, Emily Dudley. Emily was born in Sydney New South Wales in 1861. antivirus software. http://www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Josephine Several Ancestry Trees list the TWO Emilys who you mention; regrettably I am distantly related to some of them and they do not agree with my position. The Emily on 01637/1902 [marriage]has the wrong parents, both have the same Christian names as the parents of the Emily Dudley I am seeking, however their surnames are not those of Emily's parents. The Emily on 12793/1923 [death] again has the wrong parents, the father has the same Christian name as the father of the Emily Dudley I am seeking, however the mother's name is different as are their surnames and are different to those on the quoted marriage. The Emily quoted on these Ancestry Trees does not have included amongst her children the name of the son who was the "Informant" on the death certificate. George Dudley's parents may have been Andrew Dudley [publican] and Maria Parker as stated on his death certificate. I have not found this couple in the marriage records, however I have found an Andrew Parker and a Maria Parker, perhaps George had been born to Maria out of wedlock and kept her name. Mary Ann Lynchey was born about 1822, possibly in County Down this would have made Mary Ann "Just" eligible to accompany her convict mother to Australia. There is a "Dissenters" baptism on the Isle of Man for a child Sarah Lynchy with a father Michael and a mother Sarah Mullan. In 1832 there were deaths in a cholera outbreak of a Michael Lynchey and a son [noted only as Michael's son] which was approximately 10 months before the theft that led to transportation. The names James Lynchey and Sarah Mullin were recorded on the convict Sarah Lynchey's death certificate Thank you for your interest and assistance. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Conray [mailto:javc@powerup.com.au] To: 'Peter STRAUSS'; aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-NSW] EMILY DUDLEY Hi Peter I found a few family trees on Ancestry.com for Emily Dudley Emily Dudley was born 7 June 1861 Chippendale, Sydney, NSW And Died 21 June 1922 Sydney She Married Robert White abt 1902 in Merewether George Chapman Dudley born 1800 Eng and died 29 may 1868 His parents are Andrew Dudley and Maria Parker. He married Mary Ann Lynch 1858 she was born c1822 Co Down And died 28 Oct 1901 her parents are James Lynchey and Sarah Mullin died 15 June 1860 Sydney Hope this helps Josephine -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter STRAUSS via Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 2:47 PM To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com; aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com; india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-NSW] EMILY DUDLEY I am trying once again to find any details, or where details may be located on my 2nd Great Aunt, Emily Dudley. Emily was born in Sydney New South Wales in 1861. antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Peter & Jenny, Also worth considering is that he died as one of the 2220 people who are listed in the NSW BDMS 1788 - 1900 with no known surname or indeed in many cases no known name. Several of those are infants. Just take away all the current ID you carry now and think about how someone who was travelling, who may also be illiterate, could be identified especially if a body was found on a hot summers day. They wouldn't be kept at the morgue until next of kin made enquiries nor were fingerprints in use. I also wonder if remains were found, if the deaths were always reported and registered. A quick bush burial might have been the order of the day. A respectful burial on the spot could be a lot more convenient than travelling to the nearest town to bring back a policeman then being required to be part of an inquest. Qld was still part of NSW until late 1859. Good luck and if you find my Charles Summerell who was last known to be living on the "Sholehaven" in the 1840's, I'd love to know. David Hi Peter, Given that the ToL in 1844 says that Thomas was going to Moreton Bay, have you consider the following as a possibility for his death? http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3715124?searchTerm=Thomas+lynch&searchLimits=l-decade=184|||l-year=1847|||l-state=Queensland I couldn't find a corresponding death record in either Qld or NSW online BDM indexes, but I have found similar cases where deaths went unregistered if there was an inquest. The newspaper doesn't say there was an inquest but there may have been. It might be worthwhile following up in the absence of any other possible death. One further point regarding not find a cert of freedom, from my understanding, a convict had to apply for one - it was not automatic. I have a similar case where a female convict didn't get hers for a further 8 years, she had no other convictions etc and it seems to be a case of just not getting around to applying for it. Hope some of that helps. Jenny W [Brisbane] <<I am trying to find details of Thomas Lynch(ey) my GG grandmother's brother Thomas was apparently born in County Down and was sentenced on the Isle of Man to transportation to New South Wales in 1833. He arrived in Sydney in 1835 and spent some, at least, of his time in the upper hunter valley where he received his Ticket of Leave from "The Muswellbrook Bench" in 1844. His sentence would have been completed in 1847 however no Certificate of Freedom has been found. There is no death or marriage recorded in Australia, including Convict Deaths in Custody. Thomas may have continued life as "LYNCH" Thomas was sentenced and transported as "LYNCHEY" however changing a name was a common exconvict way of starting anew, also throughout the 19th century "LYNCHEY" seems to have morphed into "LYNCH" and there are no "LYNCHEYs" listed today in the white pages of the Irish Republic or Ulster. Does any Lister have any information which may help me please?>>

Hi Peter, Given that the ToL in 1844 says that Thomas was going to Moreton Bay, have you consider the following as a possibility for his death? http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3715124?searchTerm=Thomas+lynch&searchLimits=l-decade=184|||l-year=1847|||l-state=Queensland I couldn't find a corresponding death record in either Qld or NSW online BDM indexes, but I have found similar cases where deaths went unregistered if there was an inquest. The newspaper doesn't say there was an inquest but there may have been. It might be worthwhile following up in the absence of any other possible death. One further point regarding not find a cert of freedom, from my understanding, a convict had to apply for one - it was not automatic.  I have a similar case where a female convict didn't get hers for a further 8 years, she had no other convictions etc and it seems to be a case of just not getting around to applying for it.  Hope some of that helps. Jenny W [Brisbane] <<I am trying to find details of Thomas Lynch(ey) my GG grandmother's brother Thomas was apparently born in County Down and was sentenced on the Isle of Man to transportation to New South Wales in 1833. He arrived in Sydney in 1835 and spent some, at least, of his time in the upper hunter valley where he received his Ticket of Leave from "The Muswellbrook Bench" in 1844. His sentence would have been completed in 1847 however no Certificate of Freedom has been found. There is no death or marriage recorded in Australia, including Convict Deaths in Custody. Thomas may have continued life as "LYNCH" Thomas was sentenced and transported as "LYNCHEY" however changing a name was a common exconvict way of starting anew, also throughout the 19th century "LYNCHEY" seems to have morphed into "LYNCH" and there are no "LYNCHEYs" listed today in the white pages of the Irish Republic or Ulster. Does any Lister have any information which may help me please?>>

Hi Peter I found a few family trees on Ancestry.com for Emily Dudley Emily Dudley was born 7 June 1861 Chippendale, Sydney, NSW And Died 21 June 1922 Sydney She Married Robert White abt 1902 in Merewether, NSW Children Alma 1904-1970, Lyla 1906-1977, Zita 1907-1911 On BDM there is also a possible Jack 1910, Norman 1911 and Ezma 1913. George Chapman Dudley born 1800 Eng and died 29 may 1868 His parents are Andrew Dudley and Maria Parker. He married Mary Ann Lynch 1858 she was born c1822 Co Down And died 28 Oct 1901 her parents are James Lynchey and Sarah Mullin died 15 June 1860 Sydney Hope this helps Josephine -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter STRAUSS via Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 2:47 PM To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com; aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com; india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-NSW] EMILY DUDLEY I am trying once again to find any details, or where details may be located on my 2nd Great Aunt, Emily Dudley. Emily was born in Sydney New South Wales in 1861. antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I am trying once again to find any details, or where details may be located on my 2nd Great Aunt, Emily Dudley. Emily was born in Sydney New South Wales in 1861. Emily's parents were Mary Ann [nee Lynchey] and George Dudley. Mary Ann died in Sydney in 1901 and is buried at Waverley Cemetery [Sydney]; George died in1868 and is buried in St. Peters Churchyard, St. Peters [Sydney]. George Dudley was a convict and Mary Ann Lynchey the daughter of a convict who accompanied her mother to Australia. As with many convicts finding their parents has proved an unrewarding, 13 year, task. But I continue. I have found no marriage or death registration in Australia or on Ancestry or Family Search Emily had 10 siblings, only 3 produced children and I have followed these as far as BDM release dates allow and further in Ancestry and Family Search. The only references I have found to Emily is possibly in a newspaper report on Trove [prior to 1901], and the reference to her being "living" on her mother's death certificate. If she married after her mother's death it is not recorded in any Australian documentation that I have seen, or on the other sites I have already mentioned. A descendent of another family member stated in her "previously on Ancestry tree" that Emily died in Gujarat, INDIA. Her death was apparently some time after Emily's mother died in 1901 as she is listed as living on her mother's death certificate. There are no Wills listed at the NSW Records. Can anyone point me to where I may find some details please? Peter Melbourne Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I am trying to find details of Thomas Lynch(ey) my GG grandmother's brother Thomas was apparently born in County Down and was sentenced on the Isle of Man to transportation to New South Wales in 1833. He arrived in Sydney in 1835 and spent some, at least, of his time in the upper hunter valley where he received his Ticket of Leave from "The Muswellbrook Bench" in 1844. His sentence would have been completed in 1847 however no Certificate of Freedom has been found. There is no death or marriage recorded in Australia, including Convict Deaths in Custody. Thomas may have continued life as "LYNCH" Thomas was sentenced and transported as "LYNCHEY" however changing a name was a common exconvict way of starting anew, also throughout the 19th century "LYNCHEY" seems to have morphed into "LYNCH" and there are no "LYNCHEYs" listed today in the white pages of the Irish Republic or Ulster. Does any Lister have any information which may help me please? Cheers Peter Melbourne --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Peter,to help a bit, here are the reg references from the Ancestry.com trees to help you try to verify: Marriage to Robert White  Merewether, New South Wales, Australia  Ref 1637/1902Death:  NSW BMD Deaths Ref 12793/1923 Parents George & Mary (Dudley)Children: Alma White  Annandale NSW BMD Births Ref 851/1904 Parents Robert and Emily Lyla White  Leichhardt NSW BMD Births 1906 Ref 4437/1906 Parents Robert and EmilyZita White Petersham NSW BMD Births 1907 Ref 17127/1907 Parents Robert and Emily  &  Petersham NSW BMD Deaths Ref 11777/1911 Parents Robert and Emily the tree also lists 1930 Electoral Roll at 17 Maddock street, Petersham West for Robert (carrier), Emily (home duties) & Alma (typiste) Cheers,ElaineAUS Descendant in Reno, Nevada On Friday, March 20, 2015 2:31 AM, Joe Conray via <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi Peter I found a few family trees on Ancestry.com for Emily Dudley Emily Dudley was born 7 June 1861 Chippendale, Sydney, NSW And Died 21 June 1922 Sydney She Married Robert White abt 1902 in Merewether, NSW Children Alma 1904-1970, Lyla 1906-1977, Zita 1907-1911 On BDM there is also a possible Jack 1910, Norman 1911 and Ezma 1913. George Chapman Dudley born 1800 Eng and died 29 may 1868 His parents are Andrew Dudley and Maria Parker. He married Mary Ann Lynch 1858 she was born c1822 Co Down And died 28 Oct 1901 her parents are James Lynchey and Sarah Mullin died 15 June 1860 Sydney Hope this helps Josephine -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter STRAUSS via Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 2:47 PM To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com; aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com; india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-NSW] EMILY DUDLEY I am trying once again to find any details, or where details may be located on my 2nd Great Aunt, Emily Dudley. Emily was born in Sydney New South Wales in 1861. antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne England via" <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> To: "'Terry'" <tandde@aapt.net.au>; <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps > Thanks for your advice Allan and Terry - I had done some > reading on the LPI website but couldn’t find the answer to my > question - perhaps I need to do a closer read. > And after reading your notes as well Terry, I think Allan's > friends advice to actually arrange a look at the record is > what it may take! > I hadn’t considered that the date could relate to the time that > it was able to be converted to a conditional purchase. That > would certainly make more sense in this particular instance. > > Sue, State Records have a lot of info : http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-94Bye MargMBeautiful NSW Central Coast ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4311/9333 - Release Date: 03/18/15

Thanks for your advice Allan and Terry - I had done some reading on the LPI website but couldn’t find the answer to my question - perhaps I need to do a closer read. And after reading your notes as well Terry, I think Allan's friends advice to actually arrange a look at the record is what it may take! I hadn’t considered that the date could relate to the time that it was able to be converted to a conditional purchase. That would certainly make more sense in this particular instance. Many thanks once again, Cheers Sue -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry via Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:56 AM To: 'Terry'; aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps My apologies the table has not transferred . See the web link for a better copy. Terry -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry via Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 9:46 AM To: 'Suzanne England'; aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps Good Morning, The following may help re Conditional Purchases and the name on the parish map. http://tinyurl.com/pcm25os Regards Terry Callaghan www.terrycallaghan.com Introduction A conditional purchase (CP) may have had a number of owners before the final payment was made and all conditions satisfied as the name on the parish map is that of the person who made the final payment that may or may not be the person you are researching. So if you do not know the parish or district of your ancestor you must search all the Conditional Purchase records at Kingswood. These records are not in alphabetical order but in order of the Conditional Purchase number. This data base has sorted these records into alphabetical order. Background to Conditional Purchases. In 1863 the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales directed ‘that there be laid upon the table of this House :‐ A Tabular Return shewing the names of all persons who have purchased Land conditionally under the Land Alienation Act of 1861, to the 31st October 1863: the quantity of Land in each purchase; the 1st or 2nd class Settled Districts, or the Unsettled Districts, wherein the Land is situated; the amount of money received on each lot; the balance remaining to be received; the date when the balance of the purchase money shall be payable…’ The procedure was that each major rural centre had a Land office. The land agent would record the name of the conditional purchaser, the residence and nearest post town and the date and time of selection and record a detailed description of the property boundaries. The application would be forwarded to Sydney where it would be given a number: the first two digits would be the year received and the last four the applicant number for that year. Unfortunately for researchers from 1862 to 1874 the records are indexed according to the locality and not by name and in numerical order of the CP number. So if you find that your ancestor was farmer but you can’t find any record of him on the parish map, the Torrens Title Index, Old System Index, Vendors Index or Old Title Purchaser Index. If this is the case it means that he was a conditional purchaser who had not yet meet all the conditions for purchase. To determine the Conditional Purchase (CP) number using the records in this data base you must subtract three years from the year that the balance payment is due. For example:‐ Conditional Purchase Cond Purchase No Surname First Name Area a r p District Class Amount Recd £ s d Balance due £ s d Date Balance Due 2093 Abberton James 48.0.0 Goulburn 1st Class 12.0.0 36.0.0 8/04/1865 The CP number for James Abberton would be the year the balance payment is due minus three i.e. CP62‐2093. Using this number you then can access all the records relating to this purchase. See ‘Using Conditional purchase records. State Records NSW Archives in Brief 94. Some References. Background to Conditional purchase of Crown Land. State records of NSW Archives in Brief 93 Using Conditional purchase records. State Records NSW Archives in Brief 94 ( a must see) Baker, D.W.A. The Origins of Robertson’s Land Acts. Historical Studies Australia & New Zealand. Vol 8, Nov 1957 – May 1959 . p.166 ff Walker, R. B. Squatter and Selector in New England, 1862 – 95. Historical Studies Australia & New Zealand. Vol 8, Nov 1957 – May 1959 . p.66 ff Simpson, Archibald. Handbook of the Crown Lands Alienation Acts of NSW. 1882 Ferry, John. New South Wales Land Records and Family History. In First International Congress of Family History. 1988. Sydney. King C.J. An Outline of Closer Settlement in NSW. Part 1. The Sequence of Land Laws. 1788 – 1956. Dept. Of Agriculture. 1957 Sydney. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Mabey via" <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:19 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW] NSW Police Gazettes > Hi List > > > Just wondering if I find something in the NSW Police Gazettes > 1918 on > Ancestry is there any way I can get any more information about > it please? > > Not sure where to look or what field to take. Hi Karen ?? Ancestry have NSW Police gazettes to 1930 .........are 320 pages for 1918 Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4311/9333 - Release Date: 03/18/15

Hi List Just wondering if I find something in the NSW Police Gazettes 1918 on Ancestry is there any way I can get any more information about it please? Not sure where to look or what field to take. Thanks in Advance Regards Karen.

My apologies the table has not transferred . See the web link for a better copy. Terry -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry via Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 9:46 AM To: 'Suzanne England'; aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] interpreting dates on old parish maps Good Morning, The following may help re Conditional Purchases and the name on the parish map. http://tinyurl.com/pcm25os Regards Terry Callaghan www.terrycallaghan.com Introduction A conditional purchase (CP) may have had a number of owners before the final payment was made and all conditions satisfied as the name on the parish map is that of the person who made the final payment that may or may not be the person you are researching. So if you do not know the parish or district of your ancestor you must search all the Conditional Purchase records at Kingswood. These records are not in alphabetical order but in order of the Conditional Purchase number. This data base has sorted these records into alphabetical order. Background to Conditional Purchases. In 1863 the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales directed ‘that there be laid upon the table of this House :‐ A Tabular Return shewing the names of all persons who have purchased Land conditionally under the Land Alienation Act of 1861, to the 31st October 1863: the quantity of Land in each purchase; the 1st or 2nd class Settled Districts, or the Unsettled Districts, wherein the Land is situated; the amount of money received on each lot; the balance remaining to be received; the date when the balance of the purchase money shall be payable…’ The procedure was that each major rural centre had a Land office. The land agent would record the name of the conditional purchaser, the residence and nearest post town and the date and time of selection and record a detailed description of the property boundaries. The application would be forwarded to Sydney where it would be given a number: the first two digits would be the year received and the last four the applicant number for that year. Unfortunately for researchers from 1862 to 1874 the records are indexed according to the locality and not by name and in numerical order of the CP number. So if you find that your ancestor was farmer but you can’t find any record of him on the parish map, the Torrens Title Index, Old System Index, Vendors Index or Old Title Purchaser Index. If this is the case it means that he was a conditional purchaser who had not yet meet all the conditions for purchase. To determine the Conditional Purchase (CP) number using the records in this data base you must subtract three years from the year that the balance payment is due. For example:‐ Conditional Purchase Cond Purchase No Surname First Name Area a r p District Class Amount Recd £ s d Balance due £ s d Date Balance Due 2093 Abberton James 48.0.0 Goulburn 1st Class 12.0.0 36.0.0 8/04/1865 The CP number for James Abberton would be the year the balance payment is due minus three i.e. CP62‐2093. Using this number you then can access all the records relating to this purchase. See ‘Using Conditional purchase records. State Records NSW Archives in Brief 94. Some References. Background to Conditional purchase of Crown Land. State records of NSW Archives in Brief 93 Using Conditional purchase records. State Records NSW Archives in Brief 94 ( a must see) Baker, D.W.A. The Origins of Robertson’s Land Acts. Historical Studies Australia & New Zealand. Vol 8, Nov 1957 – May 1959 . p.166 ff Walker, R. B. Squatter and Selector in New England, 1862 – 95. Historical Studies Australia & New Zealand. Vol 8, Nov 1957 – May 1959 . p.66 ff Simpson, Archibald. Handbook of the Crown Lands Alienation Acts of NSW. 1882 Ferry, John. New South Wales Land Records and Family History. In First International Congress of Family History. 1988. Sydney. King C.J. An Outline of Closer Settlement in NSW. Part 1. The Sequence of Land Laws. 1788 – 1956. Dept. Of Agriculture. 1957 Sydney. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message