Hello List Is there anyone out there who has a record of anyone who was buried into this old cemetery 1901 to 1906 fingers crossed Patrick

Don't know what would happen in Australia, but just found out something about a family parish church here in the UK which was demolished. Once the church is sold for demolition anything in it becomes the property of the demolition company. So furnishings, stained glass windows etc can all be sold off. And anything that isn't saleable, whatever it might be, goes for hard-core. The subject arose because the next parish wanted some particularly fine stained glass windows as a memento, and had to buy them off the company. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue England" <suee@exemail.com.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Anglican church Redfern > Hi Trish, > > It will be interesting to know what happens to windows/tablets etc when > churches are sold. > > Thanks again Trish, > > Cheers > > Sue

hello eVERYONE Just to let you know that I will be holding a family reunion for the Easter Weekend for 2011 at Wollombi NSW. It will be held in the Wollombi Hall. Wollombi is past Cessnock NSW Australia. Regards Grahame James. The Reunion is for James Walton and Johanna McCanna my 3rd Great Grandparents

Looking for someone who still has a copy of "Champion Post", Parkes , NSW dated 20th June, 2008, if you could kindly contact me, Please. Regards, Jill

Malcolm, have you tried picture australia (google it) or the State Library of New South Wales click pictures, manuscript.. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "malcolmgray" <malcolmgray@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Help wanted > Hello All. is there anyone out there with photographs of the NSW Light > Horse, I am looking for photos of the men who used to muster at the drill > hall <now demolished> in YOUNG and surrounding areas, if you have > photographs, or you know of someone who has, please ask if I can get > Copies, Scans, or any other media, > we will reimburse all expenses > > Regards Malcolm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.47/2289 - Release Date: 08/07/09 18:37:00

Hello All. is there anyone out there with photographs of the NSW Light Horse, I am looking for photos of the men who used to muster at the drill hall <now demolished> in YOUNG and surrounding areas, if you have photographs, or you know of someone who has, please ask if I can get Copies, Scans, or any other media, we will reimburse all expenses Regards Malcolm

Hi Sue, May be we should start a theme about the ages that our ancestors got married. This sounds like you were talking about my g.g.grandfather, Isaac LANCASTER who was born aboth 1789 and in 1848 married Mary Ann Rachel SHAW who was born in 1833. They went onto having 12 children. Isaac LANCASTER came to the Colony as a convict in 1814 on the Barring II. His wife was a daughter of 2 ex-convicts - John SHAW who arrived in the Colony in 1816 on the Elizabeth I & Lydia MATTEWS arrived in 1829 on board the Sovereign. Glynis Wheeler St Clair, NSW E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.13000 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hello Listers, I do not know how recent the Electoral Rolls available at Ancestry are, but ask if SKS has a current sub would they please look for an entry in Western Australia for DAPHNE FLORENCE McPHERSON (her husband Donald McPherson died at Bentley, WA in 2002) sons Kevin and Laurie could be in the same location. Yes, I do realise that there is a computer index available at the Electoral Commission Offices; but, at the moment I am the only carer for my 84 year old father (24/7), and I cannot get to any electoral office - if there is SKS who works or lives near an Electoral Office and could talke a few minutes to run in and look up Daphne's address I would be extremely grateful. Thank you, Carol

Hi Jenelle Thank you so much. I will try the free Scot exchange first. Jo -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 6:34 AM To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Help Jo, when it comes to Scotlands people, you just sign up, get a username and password, search for free but if you want any certificates, you just buy credits - 6 pounds for 30 credits. You should also check the free census or the scot births, deaths and marriages exchange first before spending any money. I haven't used findmypast alot, just to spot people on ships. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Conray" <javc@powerup.com.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Help > Hello to all > > > > I was wondering if some one could give me some advice please. I am > thinking > of subscribing to either of Findmypast.com or Scotland People. > > and was wondering which one would be best as they are expensive. Most of > my > research is in Scotland, Ireland England and Australia which one of these > sites will gives me the greatest cover. > > > > Any help > > > > Josephine > > Qld > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2284 - Release Date: 08/05/09 18:23:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jo, when it comes to Scotlands people, you just sign up, get a username and password, search for free but if you want any certificates, you just buy credits - 6 pounds for 30 credits. You should also check the free census or the scot births, deaths and marriages exchange first before spending any money. I haven't used findmypast alot, just to spot people on ships. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Conray" <javc@powerup.com.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Help > Hello to all > > > > I was wondering if some one could give me some advice please. I am > thinking > of subscribing to either of Findmypast.com or Scotland People. > > and was wondering which one would be best as they are expensive. Most of > my > research is in Scotland, Ireland England and Australia which one of these > sites will gives me the greatest cover. > > > > Any help > > > > Josephine > > Qld > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2284 - Release Date: 08/05/09 18:23:00

Hello to all I was wondering if some one could give me some advice please. I am thinking of subscribing to either of Findmypast.com or Scotland People. and was wondering which one would be best as they are expensive. Most of my research is in Scotland, Ireland England and Australia which one of these sites will gives me the greatest cover. Any help Josephine Qld

Hi Everyone Just to let everyone Know that I will be holding a family reunion at Wollombi in the Wollombi Hall for the Easter weekend in 2011. You can email me for any details Grahame James

Looking further into this, I have come across the following figures from 1960 (nineteen sixty): The Commonwealth Attorney-General quoting the Commonwealth Statistician wrote: In 1960, the following numbers of young persons were married: Age Bridegrooms Brides 13 years - 3 14 " - 31 15 " 3 306 16 " 41 (1616) 17 " 277 (3429) This was the last year before the operation of the Commonwealth's Marriage Act 1961 when there were nine separate marriage systems in the Australian States and Territories. Below is the section of his article on the marriageable age provision of the 1961 Act, its predecessors in the States and Territories with some international comparative material: Sir Garfield Barwick, "The Commonwealth Marriage Act 1961" (1962) 3 Melb. U. L. Rev. 277: (The tables are a bit difficult to reproduce so I've used commas instead of tabs and used - in place of blank space.) Footnotes and pagination omitted. <quote> Marriageable Age In Australia, except in Tasmania, Western Australia and South Australia, the common law position as to age of marriage still obtains: the age at which a person is capable of giving a consent to and of contracting marriage is twelve in the case of a female and fourteen in the case of a male. Prior to the commencement of the Matrimonial Causes Act (on 1 Feb 1961 - ij), a marriage of a person under this age was voidable and not void ab initio, and might be affirmed after that age is reached, for example, by the parties continuing to live together. Since the commencement of the Matrimonial Causes Act, all marriages under age have been void. In Tasmania, since 1942, no marriage may be celebrated if either of the intending parties is under the age of eighteen years in the case of a male, or sixteen years in the case of a female, unless an order is made by the Registrar-General or a Police Magistrate if satisfied after inquiry that for some special reason it should be celebrated. A marriage in contravention of the Act is illegal, and both the celebrant and the parties may commit an offence. The validity of such a marriage is not certain, particularly in view of the fact that marriage under age is not included in the irregularities that are not to 'avoid' a marriage. As the statute, however, did not expressly alter the consequences of marriage under age, it may have left the position as to validity the same as it was under the common law. In Western Australia, in 1956, the age of marriage was similarly raised to eighteen for males and sixteen for females. A Magistrate may make an order permitting a marriage below that age if, after inquiry, he is satisfied- (a) that the intended wife is pregnant; (b) that the proper consents to the marriage have been given; and (c) that the order should be made in the interests of the parties to the intended marriage, and of the unborn child." A marriage in breach of the section is not to be void by reason only of the breach. It seems reasonable to assume that the Act leaves untouched the common law position, so far as validity is concerned. In South Australia, in 1957, the age of marriage was also raised to eighteen for males and sixteen for females. The enactment provides that a marriage under that age is void. But in the case of a boy over the age of fourteen years and a girl over the age of twelve years, the Minister administering the Act may make an order permitting a marriage 'if he is satisfied that it is desirable that they should marry'. Of the three States that increased the age at which persons may be married, it would seem that in South Australia only was the capacity of the parties definitely affected; in Western Australia the provision was merely a penal one not affecting the validity of the marriage, and in Tasmania the position is not certain, though the better view is that it is the same as in Western Australia. In 1960, the following numbers of young persons were married: Age, Bridegrooms, Brides 13 years, -, 3 14 " , -, 31 15 " , 3, 306 16 " , 41, (1616) 17 " , 277, (3429) The effect of the above laws as to marriageable age on these marriages, especially if there was a resorting to one of the three Eastern States for the purpose of avoiding a higher permitted marriageable age, could possibly be that some of the marriages are invalid. In the United Kingdom, since the Age of Marriage Act 1929, a marriage between persons either of whom is under the age of sixteen years is void. In New Zealand, the Marriage Act 1955 prohibits the marriage of a person under the age of sixteen years, but a marriage in contravention of the section is not to be void on that account only." The Bill for the New Zealand Act contained a provision for relaxation similar to that in the Western Australian Act, but it was withdrawn from the Bill because of the criticism of the provision that was received from women's organizations, to which copies of the Bill had been circulated. Throughout the world, there has been a noticeable tendency to raise the marriageable age. The Status of Women Commission has been active recently in sponsoring a United Nations Convention on Consent to Marriage, Minimum Age of Marriage and Registration of Marriages, which has as its aim, inter alia, the specification by member States of a minimum age of marriage. The following table is taken from a United Nations publication dealing with the draft Convention, and sets out the age of marriage in twenty countries Males, Females Austria 21, 16 Belgium 18, 15 Brazil 18, 16 Canada 21 (2 provinces), 21 (1 provinces) 18 (1 province), - 16 (3 provinces), 16 (3 provinces) 15 (1 province), 15 (1 province) 14 (4 provinces), - - ,12 (4 provinces) China 18, 16 Czechoslovakia 18, 18 Cuba 14,12 Denmark 21, 18 Germany (Federal Republic) 21, 16 Finland 18, 17 France (Metropolitan) 18, 15 Greece 18, 14 Iran 18, 15 Italy 16, 14 Japan 18, 16 Netherlands 18, 16 Sweden 21, 18 Thailand 17, 15 U.S.S.R. (all except 3 republics) 18, 18 U.S.A. 21 (1 state), 21 (1 state) 20 (1 State), - 18 (3 States), - 17 (3 States), - 16 (12 States), 16 (33 States) 15 (2 States), 15 (9 States) -, 14 (7 States) The Marriage Act sets for the people of Australia a minimum marriageable age of eighteen years for males and sixteen years for females. The Act adopts the view that a marriage of immature people solely to ensure that an expected child is born within wedlock is not in the real interests of the child or of the parents, or, for that matter, of the community. The fact that a marriage of a person below marriageable age is void removes a possible instrument of pressure to enter what is commonly called a forced marriage, which, as far as one is able to glean, the social worker would say is unlikely to be successful. As a concession to the exceptional case, the Act provides machinery whereby a marriage may be permitted where one of the parties is under marriageable age, but has attained the age of sixteen years in the case of a boy or fourteen years in the case of a girl. The party under marriageable age may apply to a Judge or a Magistrate for an order permitting him or her to marry a particular person of marriageable age." If he is satisfied that the circumstances of the case are so exceptional and unusual as to justify the making of the order, the Judge or Magistrate may make an order permitting that particular marriages. The person in whose favour the order is made is declared by the Act to be of marriageable age in relation to the other person specified in the order." Thus the Act effectively increases the marriageable age to eighteen and sixteen throughout Australia, a position that on analysis did not heretofore obtain except in the State of South Australia. The marriageable age applies to the marriage of a person domiciled in Australia, wherever the marriage takes place." <unquote>

Hi Helen Arthur F McDonald b 1915 to George M & Margaret E at Stroud 1915 Reg No 33248 Joan ----- Original Message ----- > > Would SKL please look up NSW births for Arthur Francis McDonald, born > C1916, parents George and Margaret. > Thanking you in advance. > Helen > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 365 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Helen, Arthur was register in 1915, in Stroud Reg Year: 1915 Reg No: 33248 Surname: McDonald Given Name: Arthur F. Father: George M. Mother Margaret E. Place: Stroud Regards David Helen Pickering wrote: > Not sure if my last post worked so will try again. > > Would SKL please look up NSW births for Arthur Francis McDonald, born > C1916, parents George and Margaret. > Thanking you in advance. > Helen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

At common law, the legal age for boys is 14 and girls 12 but below 21 they required parental consent - modified at various times by statute to raise the minimum age and lower the age of parental consent. Children below that age were capable of being married but no conjugal rights could occur until they reached 14/12. I don't know how common such arrangements were but we do know that it occurred from royal marriages (I'm not talking about arranged marriages but ones solemnised). 2009/8/5 Sue England <suee@exemail.com.au>: > Hi Alison > > Just out of interest.. i was talking to a friend yesterday about her > ancestral line.. her gt x3? grandfather married 3 times and the last one > in 1848 was when he was in his 40's and the girl he married was 13! > hmmm.. how the times have changed. > > Cheers > > Sue > > Alison Baker wrote: >> Hi Ian, >> >> Yes I had considered that. In fact I got a transcription of a baptism in >> 1853 that ticked all the right boxes hoping that the baptism was done >> when the child was older but the date of birth was also 1853. I think 13 >> years of age would be a little young for marriage? >> >> Thanks for the suggestion. >> Alison >> >> Ian Jordan wrote: >> >>> Hi Alison >>> >>> have you considered that she may have raised her age to 21 to avoid >>> getting parental consent to her marriage if she was under age? >>> >>> Regards >>> Ian Jordan >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: the information in this email and any attachment(s) is intended for the named recipient only. If you have received this email in error, please delete it and any attachment(s) immediately, do not open or download any attachments. The information is for the purposes of private family history research. It may not be published or distributed in any form without the prior written consent of the sender. Information concerning living individuals is not intended to be shared. Any information concerning living individuals, either express or implied, is not to be recorded, distributed or published without the prior written consent of the individual concerned. The sending of this information does not amount to a waiver of any of those requirements by the author.

Hi Alison Just out of interest.. i was talking to a friend yesterday about her ancestral line.. her gt x3? grandfather married 3 times and the last one in 1848 was when he was in his 40's and the girl he married was 13! hmmm.. how the times have changed. Cheers Sue Alison Baker wrote: > Hi Ian, > > Yes I had considered that. In fact I got a transcription of a baptism in > 1853 that ticked all the right boxes hoping that the baptism was done > when the child was older but the date of birth was also 1853. I think 13 > years of age would be a little young for marriage? > > Thanks for the suggestion. > Alison > > Ian Jordan wrote: > >> Hi Alison >> >> have you considered that she may have raised her age to 21 to avoid >> getting parental consent to her marriage if she was under age? >> >> Regards >> Ian Jordan >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Not sure if my last post worked so will try again. Would SKL please look up NSW births for Arthur Francis McDonald, born C1916, parents George and Margaret. Thanking you in advance. Helen

Hi Ian, Yes I had considered that. In fact I got a transcription of a baptism in 1853 that ticked all the right boxes hoping that the baptism was done when the child was older but the date of birth was also 1853. I think 13 years of age would be a little young for marriage? Thanks for the suggestion. Alison Ian Jordan wrote: > Hi Alison > > have you considered that she may have raised her age to 21 to avoid > getting parental consent to her marriage if she was under age? > > Regards > Ian Jordan

Hi Alison have you considered that she may have raised her age to 21 to avoid getting parental consent to her marriage if she was under age? Regards Ian Jordan 2009/8/4 <mumof1@netspace.net.au>: > Hi Rob, > > names are Thomas and Mary O'Brien. Her age is 21 which calculates to an > estimated birth year of 1845. They continued to live around that area of country