Dear list, I am trying to help a friend in America trace her family and was hoping that some one on this list was able to help me. This is all the information that I have Richard MUSGRAVE/MUSGROVE emigrated with his family to Australia in 1862 on "Annie Wilson" The family was sponsored by the Australian Agricultural Society to work in the coal mines around Newcastle. Can anyone point me in a direction of where to go from here.Are census records or shipping records available or something similar.to show who was with Richard when he arrived here? Is there any records of the AAS. Thank you for reading this Liz Maxwell Melbourne

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Thanks to those who answered my recent query ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello list I am trying to find the deaths of Richard Joseph & Catherine Alice (nee McQuillan) LYNCH in NSW. I have searched the NSW online records up to 1978, to no avail - are there later records available to search & if so would someone be able to help. Thanks Helen NZ

I thought it might interest some to know that all thirty-two counties for the 1911 Irish Census are now available on this site: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ Free to search and you can freely download a PDF image of the *original* census return which may interest you. You can also browse by County then by District Electoral Divisions (DEDs). More information at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/about19011911census.html#whatcontain Search help at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/help.html Regards

Norfolk Island is not part of NSW (maybe you are thinking of Lord Howe Island which is part of NSW). There is another fairly active list which deals with Norfolk Island and you might find more (and better!) answers there: http://boards.ancestry.com.au/localities.oceania.norfolkisland/mb.ashx People with convict ancestors sent to NSW and Van Dieman's land who have their ancestors 'disappearing' might find that they have not died but been dealt with for offences committed with the colony of their transportation and have ended up on Norfolk Island when it was used as a place of secondary punishment. If your ancestor was part of the military, its possible they spent some time overseeing those other unfortunates. My tree even has one who was both! More general historical background at: http://www.norfolkisland.com.au/pages/history/ http://www.kavha.gov.nf/ http://www.museums.gov.nf/ from your computer you will find more general information at: http://www.museums.gov.nf/Research.html You will find heaps of resources closer than Sydney in a local library. If the Library doesn't hold the information themselves most are happy to help you access the material. In Queensland, try starting with: http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/ Some records are only SOURCED from either NSW State Records or the Archives Office of Tasmania but both offer ACCESS from remoter locations. Again, if you don't know how to do this, visit your local library and ask for assistance. As an idea of what is available see: http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/navigators/convicts/information/norfolk.html which tells us: "Norfolk Island Convict records "Norfolk Island was established as a penal colony in 1788 and administered by New South Wales. Despite the establishment of farming on the island it remained dependent on Sydney for supplies. By 1804 the settlement was ordered to be closed and most of the convicts were transferred to Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania). In 1808 most of the free settlers were also transferred and by 1814 the island was abandoned altogether. "In an attempt to deter further crime in New South Wales, the Island was re-established in 1825 as a place of secondary punishment for the worst convicts. From 1825 until 1855, an average of 1500-2000 convicts lived on the island under the severest conditions (Australian Encyclopaedia, Vol 6, page 2261). In 1844, it was annexed to Tasmania. Between 1854 and 1856 convicts were removed from the Island and descendents of the Bounty mutineers arrived from Pitcairn Island. "It is also important to check the Tasmanian records for these convicts. "While there are many records that specifically concern the administration of Norfolk Island, it is worth checking the New South Wales records set out in other parts of this Research Guide, especially as some convicts spent some of their time in New South Wales before being transported to Norfolk Island." and then lists the following materials Norfolk Island embarkations to Van Diemen's Land, 1807-1813 by Irene Schaffer, 1986 The Forgotten generation of Norfolk Island and Van Diemen's Land by R Wright, 1986 Includes a number of lists as well as a complete index of names that appear in those lists Norfolk Island, 1788-1813: the people and their families by JH Donohoe, 1986 Lists name, ship date of arrival and departure, names of every person on victualling lists 1788,1791-1796, 1802-1812 and 1805 census. Groups people together by family relationships. The people of Norfolk Island and Vandiemensland 1788-1820 and their Families by JH Donohoe, 1998 Updated edition of above volume but both volumes are worth checking. Musters and lists, New South Wales and Norfolk Island, 1800-1802 by CJ Baxter, 1988 Musters of New South Wales and Norfolk Island, 1805-1806 by CJ Baxter, 1989 General musters of New South Wales, Norfolk Island and Van Diemen's Land 1811 by CJ Baxter, 1987 General return of convicts in New South Wales, 1837 by NG Butlin, CW Cromwell & KL Suthern, 1987 Australian Joint Copying Project Handbooks, Part 3: Home Office by National Library of Australia, 1984 Turn to the section: HO10 Criminal. Convicts, New South Wales and Tasmania which will list what musters and censuses conducted on Norfolk Island are available and list microfilm reel numbers. Australian Joint Copying Project Handbooks, Part 2: Colonial Office by National Library of Australia, 1993 References to convicts and settlers at Norfolk Island can be found in the Colonial Office papers. Turn to the section CO201: Original Correspondence. How to trace your convict ancestors: their lives, times and records by J. Reakes, 1999 Not all research can be done online. Much on the internet is rubbish. Regards 2009/8/29 Allie <amphibs2@hotmail.com>: > > >  Can someone tell me where I might access these Norfolk Island records, please? Are they online (as I haven't been able to find them in earlier searches)? Or are they only accessible by visiting NSW Archives or similar - I'm in Qld so that's not an option unfortunately.

Can someone tell me where I might access these Norfolk Island records, please? Are they online (as I haven't been able to find them in earlier searches)? Or are they only accessible by visiting NSW Archives or similar - I'm in Qld so that's not an option unfortunately. Thanks Allie _________________________________________________________________ What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on what's happening around the web http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx

Hi Everyone I am trying to locate a photo of my convict ancestor James Walton who married Johanna McCanna in 1847 at the Upper McDonald River. I am putting a book to gether for my reunion in 2011. And would like to track down both photos if possible. any help would be appreciated. Regards Grahame james Grahame James

I have a childhood memory of seeing a white hospital ship in Sydney Harbour, probably 1951 to 1953. I saw it at night and remeber the red crosses painted on the hull being flood-lit. I have had no luck finding what ships may have returned our servicemen from the Korean conflict. Can anyone advise, please? Regards, Mick McGillion

Dear ListersJust had a fantastic week's holiday at Norfolk Island. I noticed that a number of convicts, workers and settlers came from NSW so it is worth having a look at any Norfolk Island records when looking for missing relatives. CheersChrisQLD __________________________________________________________________________________ Find local businesses and services in your area with Yahoo!7 Local. Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au

Hi Helen, The Ryerson Index is an ongoing project of transcriptions of death/funeral notices from the newspapers; although there is nothing for the LYNCH's at this time, it may change and you should check back regularly. http://www.ryersonindex.org/ There are some cemeteries who place their indexes online, and I've found a Richard Joseph LYNCH buried 1938 aged 76, and Catherine A. LYNCH buried 1938 aged 78. As you've said you have checked the NSW BDMs up to 1978 then I guess these aren't the people you are looking for. A few more details such as their year of birth or names of parents might help in the search, or if you know anything else about them such as where they were living? Is this your Richard Joseph? He enlisted for WW2 - LYNCH, Richard Joseph, Army, N154732. Born 31 March 1898, N/C-NEW (Newcastle). Enlisted 19 May 1942, Newcastle-NSW. Location on enlistment Junction-NSW. Next-of-kin Katherine LYNCH. Discharged 30 Sept 1945. Gunner. 32 Btn. Volunteer Defence Corps Part Time Duty. He also enlisted for WW1 but was found to be unfit for service. Unfortunately the records at the National Archives are so faint that I can't read them, and you might need to contact the Archives direct to obtain a clearer copy if this is the correct Richard LYNCH. His birth is again given as 31 March 1898, born Newcastle, his next-of-kin was his mother, Jane Mary LYNCH. National Archives Homepage - http://www.naa.gov.au/index.aspx Login as a Guest - http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/SuggestLogon.asp?K=SQLSERVER_ODBC_SERVER&R=Service%20not%20available%20[Microsoft][ODBC%20Driver%20Manager]%20Data%20source%20name%20not%20found%20and%20no%20default%20driver%20specified There is no burial shown for Richard or Catherine/Katherine LYNCH at Newcastle Cemetery. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I am trying to find the deaths of Richard Joseph & Catherine Alice (nee > McQuillan) LYNCH in NSW. I have searched the NSW online records up to > 1978, > to no avail - are there later records available to search & if so would > someone be able to help. > Thanks > Helen NZ

I forgot to mention in my last email that I purchased both of those Ah Cue records from the NAA some time ago. Only the Naturalisation papers one was relevent to my family though. Christene, You wrote - "...family history has it that Hannah ran away to her uncles place to avoid marrying a man that her parents had organised for her..." I don't quite follow how you arrive at that scenario. Sarah was in NZ in June or July 1869 as this newspaper report shows - http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WI18690701.2.18&srpos=6&e=--1869---1869--10--1----0sarah+hannah-all Then in September 1869 she is marrying Ah Cue at Wangaratta Victoria. So even though I can find no immigration record she must have arrived in Australia between June and September of that year. I don't think she ran away from an arranged marriage and as far as I can determine there are no uncles or aunts in the country that she could have ran away to. Thanks for the Ryerson Index tips, I'll have a look at it. Cheers, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christene" <hartleyc@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] NSW Marriage request > .this makes a 2nd childless marriage unlikely > does it not ?? if children to Ah Chu were bn up to > 1900....but the parents and place of birth of the 2nd Sarah > are very very similar....twould seem to me a case of > more than meets the eye...... > re young marriage...family history has it that Hannah ran away > to her uncles place to avoid marrying a man that her parents had > organised for her....she married a man of 32 when she was 15 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.67/2326 - Release Date: 08/25/09 18:07:00

Hello list I am trying to find the deaths of Richard Joseph & Catherine Alice (nee McQuillan) LYNCH in NSW. I have searched the NSW online records up to 1978, to no avail - are there later records available to search & if so would someone be able to help. Thanks Helen NZ

.this makes a 2nd childless marriage unlikely does it not ?? if children to Ah Chu were bn up to 1900....but the parents and place of birth of the 2nd Sarah are very very similar....twould seem to me a case of more than meets the eye...... re young marriage...family history has it that Hannah ran away to her uncles place to avoid marrying a man that her parents had organised for her....she married a man of 32 when she was 15

Hi Are you familiar wiht the Ryerson Index?? Volunteers are recording funeral and death notices from many different newspapers ...I have been in luck many times they record name date of death etc and date and name of newspaper making obit hunting easy....... hope that you find what you are looking for....... Christene

Hi Christene, Ray and Trish, You are right Trish, researching the Doncaster/Cue history is indeed a fascinating exercise. But there are several puzzles I have yet to resolve, not least of which is the bigamy question. Yes Ray, Sarah was only fifteen when married in 1869, and I do believe it was legal back then. A story in our family was that she was given to Ah Cue as payment of a debt of money owed to him by her father. Her marriage certificate says she "married with her father's consent". Trading children like this should have been illegal but I have read newspaper reports of other Chinese men buying wives or selling their children for marriage. It seems to have been tolerated by the authorities of the day, because some of them were well known figures in their community. Christene, Sarah's children were born between 1872 and 1900, there was a gap of 2 to 5 years between each of the births and there were no twins. Her husband Ah Cue died in 1902 and at that time the family was split up. The older siblings were able to fend for themselves, some of them had already married. But my grandmother Rita was placed into an orphanage, she was then only 8 yrs old, and the youngest child Lucy just 2yrs old, was legally adopted by a Chinese family and eventually taken back to China. Sarah's life was very tough. She was raped as a child in NZ and I think that is why she came to Victoria. She was acquainted with the notorious Kelly family, and in 1912 her son in law was arrested with Ned Kelly's younger brother James for cattle stealing. Sarah herself did two terms of imprisonment with hard labour in 1897 and 1902, the dastardly crime she was punished for was "No visible means of support". I am trying all avenues to solve some of the puzzles thrown up in this family's history in Victoria, but the puzzles I've struck in researching her life in New Zealand are even more of a problem. Thanks for your interest in my query, much appreciated. Regards, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trev Symonds" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] NSW Marriage request > Hi Barry, > What a fascinating puzzle you have to try to unravel, I hope you get to > the > bottom of it. I've tried looking at a few sites but haven't come up with > anything that would help in the search for the death of Sarah Hannah > MYORS. > The only thing I did find while trawling around, which you probably have, > is > the information on Ah Chu of Wangaratta applying for naturalisation papers > on the National Archives. He was born Canton-China, occupation-gardener, > arrived 7 January 1862 on "Wee Sing" from Hong Kong, and was approved on 2 > July 1873. There was a second file for an Ah Chu, also a gardener, along > with a photograph of him, but this fellow was 28 years old in 1901 so born > around 1871, maybe Ah Chu's son? > Good luck, > Trish > Nowra NSW

Peter, sorry but I don't have any knowledge of Rod, but I do have some information on the PUXTED (PUXTY) family from Ewhurst, Sussex. There is a connection with my GOODSALL/GOODSELL family. Happy to share if you are interested. Regards, Margery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ryan" <peter@cussen.org> To: <AUS-NSW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Puxty Family > Hi All, > > I am trying to contact Rod Faulkner of New Lambton without success, > > Can anyone assist me, > > Thanks, > > Peter, Melbourne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hmmmm ... married at age 14 or 15 . Was that legal , I wonder ? My great grandmother Sarah Hannah Doncaster was born in Rangitikei, NZ in 1855. She married the Chinese gardener Ah Cue in Wangaratta, Victoria in 1869, and they had 8 children. Her parents were John Doncaster and Isabella Taylor who married in NZ in 1852. I have found the marriage certificate of another Sarah Hannah Doncaster who married John James Myors in Sale, Victoria in 1882. There were no children born in this marriage. Their certificate states that she was born in Auckland NZ in 1855 and her parents were John Doncaster and Isabella Watson! However, to prove that the 'Auckland Sarah' and 'Rangitikei Sarah' are the same person would mean that my great grandmother commited an act of bigamy in marrying John J. Myors in 1882!. _________________________________________________________________ Share your memories online with anyone you want. http://www.microsoft.com/nz/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.aspx?tab=1

gee married in 1869 then have 8 children and have another husband 1882...maybe a few sets of twins ouch...busy lady ??? when did Ah Cue die ?? O have a 15 yr old marryinga 32 yr old here in NSW as long as parents are ok I think all was well christene

Hi Barry, What a fascinating puzzle you have to try to unravel, I hope you get to the bottom of it. I've tried looking at a few sites but haven't come up with anything that would help in the search for the death of Sarah Hannah MYORS. The only thing I did find while trawling around, which you probably have, is the information on Ah Chu of Wangaratta applying for naturalisation papers on the National Archives. He was born Canton-China, occupation-gardener, arrived 7 January 1862 on "Wee Sing" from Hong Kong, and was approved on 2 July 1873. There was a second file for an Ah Chu, also a gardener, along with a photograph of him, but this fellow was 28 years old in 1901 so born around 1871, maybe Ah Chu's son? Good luck, Trish Nowra NSW > Hello Trish and Colleen, >> My great grandmother Sarah Hannah Doncaster was born in Rangitikei, NZ in > 1855. She married the Chinese gardener Ah Cue in Wangaratta, Victoria in > 1869, and they had 8 children. Her parents were John Doncaster and > Isabella > Taylor who married in NZ in 1852. > I have found the marriage certificate of another Sarah Hannah Doncaster > who > married John James Myors in Sale, Victoria in 1882. There were no children > born in this marriage. Their certificate states that she was born in > Auckland NZ in 1855 and her parents were John Doncaster and Isabella > Watson! > However, to prove that the 'Auckland Sarah' and 'Rangitikei Sarah' are the > same person would mean that my great grandmother commited an act of bigamy > in marrying John J. Myors in 1882!. > Regards, > Barry Howard, > Victoria, Australia.

Thank you Marie, I do have this information but it was good of you to take the time to send it. It's her death that I can not locate. Regards, Ruth > She was in Victoria in the eloctorate of Henty in 1936. You'll have to > check > on Ancestry to see in which town she was. > Marie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >