Don't get charged in Queensland (well didn't 6 months ago).... Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Rob" <rayrobt@hotmail.com> To: "aus nsw" <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Question/Librarian ? > > The NSW 'ask a librarian ' service costs $12.00 , in advance , per request > Whether this fee applies to Australian requesters , I do not know > Ray > New Zealand > > From: julie.dern@bigpond.com > To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:58:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Question/Librarian ? > > Val, > > This is the link for the 'ask a librarian' for NSW. > > www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/ask > > _________________________________________________________________ > Feeling the financial pinch? Check on MSN NZ Money for a hand > http://money.msn.co.nz > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2374 - Release Date: 09/15/09 20:00:00

Hello It can be quite confusing, here's how I belie ve it works In 1868 a privately owned cemetery opened on the corner of what we now know as Norton and William Sts. in Leichhardt this cemetery was known as the Balmain General cemetery, there was no suburb of Leichhardt in 1868 and the whole area was deisignated Balmain. About 11,000 burials took place in this cemetery and it was open to all comers although very few Catholics were buried there, this cemetery closed in 1912, however the private company which owned the cemetery ran into financial trouble near the end of the cemeteries life and I think may have gone into liquidation. The cemetery then lay abandoned until the 1940's when Leichhardt Council took control and eventually converted the by now quite run down cemetery into what is now Pioneer Park Its worthy of note that the many unclaimed headstones were used to build the low sandstone walls which define the edge of this now very attractive park. The burial register for this cemetery has survived and is held by Leichhardt Library and many other such places. The land for the Balmain Catholic cemetery was acquired by the Catholic parish of Balmain in the late 1850's and legend has it that burials begun soon after, however the earliest proven burials take place at the end of 1868. This cemetery was/is bounded by Allen, Elswick and William Sts in Leichhardt. This cemetery operated between 1868 and about 1905/6 and it is estimated that about 2000/2500 burials took place there. From 1898 the cemetery has been progressively built over and now houses St. Columba's church and presbytery a sizeable primary school, an unused convent which has been converted to a child care centre and a few other small buildings. No evidence of the old cemetery remains and the burial register has been lost and its this that I am slowly re-creating, proven burials now exceed 700. and welcome any info about this cemetery of burials there that anyone may be able to provide The two cemeteries are/were less than a mile apart Hope this helps Patrick Callaghan ----- Original Message ----- From: "paynescrossing" <paynescrossing@gmail.com> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] BURIALS AT BALMAIN CATHOLIC CEMETERY > Hi Patrick and list > > I know that you have written quite extensively on this but I am not > clear on the differences between the 'two' cemeteries. One is now > 'Pioneer Park', Leichhardt (the 'Old Balmain Cemetery'). Was the > Catholic Cemetery a portion of this and consecrated by Catholic > clergy? or was it located elsewhere in a Catholic church grounds? > > The 1941 conversion Act of Parliament by which the Old Balmain > Cemetery was converted into Pioneer Park has a schedule which sets out > the boundaries. That Act required the Council (now Leichhardt Council) > to do their best to record the names and they claim to have a register > which you can inspect. > > When you said the Burial Register was lost, I presume you mean the > Parish Register kept by the local Catholic Church, not the Register > required under the Act? > > For the schedule setting out the boundaries: > http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/obca1941258/sch1.html > > For the Council Register: > http://www.leichhardt.nsw.gov.au/Balmain-Cemetery.html > > Regards > > > > 2009/9/15 patrick callaghan <pca96504@bigpond.net.au>: >> is that there were two cemeteries, >> quite close to each and both operating from 1868 to about 1910 and both >> generally known as 'Balmain cemetery' >> The larger of the two, the Balmain general cemetery is now a park and its >> burial register has survived, my special >> interest is in the smaller Balmain Catholic cemetery and the challenge >> for > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Patrick and list I know that you have written quite extensively on this but I am not clear on the differences between the 'two' cemeteries. One is now 'Pioneer Park', Leichhardt (the 'Old Balmain Cemetery'). Was the Catholic Cemetery a portion of this and consecrated by Catholic clergy? or was it located elsewhere in a Catholic church grounds? The 1941 conversion Act of Parliament by which the Old Balmain Cemetery was converted into Pioneer Park has a schedule which sets out the boundaries. That Act required the Council (now Leichhardt Council) to do their best to record the names and they claim to have a register which you can inspect. When you said the Burial Register was lost, I presume you mean the Parish Register kept by the local Catholic Church, not the Register required under the Act? For the schedule setting out the boundaries: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/obca1941258/sch1.html For the Council Register: http://www.leichhardt.nsw.gov.au/Balmain-Cemetery.html Regards 2009/9/15 patrick callaghan <pca96504@bigpond.net.au>: > is that there were two cemeteries, > quite close to each and both operating from 1868 to about 1910 and both > generally known as 'Balmain cemetery' > The larger of the two, the Balmain general cemetery is now a park and its > burial register has survived, my special > interest is in the smaller Balmain Catholic cemetery and the challenge for

Hi Kerry Many thanks for your email, I do use the NLA newspaper site but my problem is that there were two cemeteries, quite close to each and both operating from 1868 to about 1910 and both generally known as 'Balmain cemetery' The larger of the two, the Balmain general cemetery is now a park and its burial register has survived, my special interest is in the smaller Balmain Catholic cemetery and the challenge for me is to find records which clearly identify the cemetery as the Balmain Catholic cemetery. Some of your 17 hits do relate to the old Catholic cemetery, but none of the 'burial notices' seem to be mine, nonetheless I do appreciate your interest and thank you for your email all the best Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hall" <kerry.hall8@bigpond.com> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] BURIALS AT BALMAIN CATHOLIC CEMETERY > Hi Patrick, > Just wonderig if you have tried this website > http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home my favourite website at the > moment. > I typed in"balmain cemetery" and got 17 hits including an Alfred Agnew who > suicided on his mothers grave and Peter Marshall who died of smallpox in > Oct > 1881 and was buried there. > > kind regards > Kerry > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Patrick, Just wonderig if you have tried this website http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home my favourite website at the moment. I typed in"balmain cemetery" and got 17 hits including an Alfred Agnew who suicided on his mothers grave and Peter Marshall who died of smallpox in Oct 1881 and was buried there. kind regards Kerry

Hello MargM, Many thanks for your reply. There is a problem here as the couple were married in Victoria and I have a copy of their marriage certificate and no mention is made of a divorce. The information about a divorce comes from a Legal Notice placed in the Argus newspaper on 23rd May 1945 in the Missing Persons column. I am unsure whether the divorce indeed took place in 1945. Regards Alma > If a marriage ends in divorce usually there is a ref > stamped on the marriage cert with a file number and date > At NSW State Records, Kingswood they have a large series of > fiche ' index to divorces' that goes up to 1974 > > A couple of years ago it cost about $55 to get copy of a > divorce file from the Supreme Court So I think it would pay > you to get more precise info than ' 1945 or thereabouts' > You could order a partial transcription of this marriage > cert from one of the 3 agents ,thus making sure there was a > divorce or check the index out at Kingswood > > Bye > > MargM > Member of > Central Coast FHS > Gosford > NSW > > Bye > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "FT & AM" <kaw56@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:19 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Divorce Papers 1945 > Would anyone know how I would go about obtaining the > paperwork for a divorce > that took place in 1945 or thereabouts? > Alma If a marriage ends in divorce usually there is a ref stamped on the marriage cert with a file number and date At NSW State Records, Kingswood they have a large series of fiche ' index to divorces' that goes up to 1974 A couple of years ago it cost about $55 to get copy of a divorce file from the Supreme Court So I think it would pay you to get more precise info than ' 1945 or thereabouts' You could order a partial transcription of this marriage cert from one of the 3 agents ,thus making sure there was a divorce or check the index out at Kingswood Bye MargM Member of Central Coast FHS Gosford NSW Bye

Hello Trish, Many thanks. I'll check it out. Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trev Symonds" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Divorce Papers 1945 > Hi Alma, > Some information from State Archives, saying the records you want will be > with the Supreme Court - > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-77 > The Family Law Clerk > Supreme Court of New South Wales > GPO Box 3 > SYDNEY NSW 2001 > > http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/Supreme_Court/ll_sc.nsf/pages/SCO_index > > Cheers > > Trish, Nowra NSW > >> Would anyone know how I would go about obtaining the paperwork for a >> divorce >> that took place in 1945 or thereabouts? >> Alma > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers As many new people are joining lists all the time I put this message up every now and then with apologies to those who have seen it before Balmain Catholic cemetery was in use from 1868 to 1906 and was located in todays suburb of Leichhardt, it has been built over and there are no physical traces that a cemetery ever existed there and worst of all the burial register has been lost. For many years now I have been slowly re-creating the lost burial register and would very much like to hear from anyone who knows of a burial there or who has any information about this old cemetery To date I have discovered about 700 proven burials and have a target of 1000 burials by this time next year I will also be happy to help anyone who has queries about either of the two cemeteries which were generally known as Balmain cemetery Fingers crossed Patrick Callaghan

Hi Alma, Some information from State Archives, saying the records you want will be with the Supreme Court - http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-77 The Family Law Clerk Supreme Court of New South Wales GPO Box 3 SYDNEY NSW 2001 http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/Supreme_Court/ll_sc.nsf/pages/SCO_index Cheers Trish, Nowra NSW > Would anyone know how I would go about obtaining the paperwork for a > divorce > that took place in 1945 or thereabouts? > Alma

Hello All, Would anyone know how I would go about obtaining the paperwork for a divorce that took place in 1945 or thereabouts? Kind regards Alma

Hi Jean, It's actually the Federation CD's. BTW doesn't start until 1919. Janet E O'Donnell - b.1912 rego.7592 - Newtown Parents: William J & Annie. Kind regards, Sherrie. -- http://www.silkweb.com.au/ On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:53:38 +1000, jean pearce <jpearcesyd@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello Listers > > > I wonder if some kind soul with access to the Between the Wars CD > > would look up the birth of Janet Elizabeth O'DONNELL who was born about > 1912. > > Maybe Marrickville. I would like the names of her parents. > > > Many Thanks > > > Jean > > ____________

Hello Listers I wonder if some kind soul with access to the Between the Wars CD would look up the birth of Janet Elizabeth O'DONNELL who was born about 1912. Maybe Marrickville. I would like the names of her parents. Many Thanks Jean _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454

Thanks Jules.......had really good results using the Qld Service.....here`s hoping !! Cheers,Val. ----- Original Message ----- From: "julie dern" <julie.dern@bigpond.com> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Question/Librarian ? > Val, > > This is the link for the 'ask a librarian' for NSW. > > www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/ask > > Cheers, Jules. > Warren, NSW. (But, still a Queensland girl) > > julie.dern@bigpond.com > http://derngenealogy.tribalpages.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.95/2368 - Release Date: 09/13/09 17:50:00

Good morning, Sorry for intruding and not exactly what you are looking for but may be of interest In 1885:- Surname First Name Holding/Place PD Post Town Waples Charles Crookwell Goulburn Crookwell Waples James Canterbury Kiama Unenderra Waples John Mount Kembla Kiama Wollongong Waples Joseph Mount Kembla Kiama Wollongong Terry

Trish....thank you kindly......have a nice day. Val. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trev Symonds" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Question/Librarian ? > Hi Val, > Click onto the Ask A Librarian link on the right-hand side - > http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/ > Trish > Nowra NSW > > >> Hello members.....does the NSW State Library have the Service "Ask a >> Librarian ?" >> Val. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.95/2368 - Release Date: 09/13/09 17:50:00

Hi Val, Click onto the Ask A Librarian link on the right-hand side - http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/ Trish Nowra NSW > Hello members.....does the NSW State Library have the Service "Ask a > Librarian ?" > Val.

Hi Ron & List, It is well woth investing in a cheap reconditioned laptop with XP on it to run your BDM cd's, eventually we will all have to go to Vista and unless they bring out new cd's we will have problems in the future. cheers Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Norton To: aus-nsw@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] between the wars Hi Colleen, Yes the third CD in the NSW Pioneer series is Between the Wars - 1919 to 1945 - which includes birth records up to 1919, plus marriage and death records to 1945. as with the Pioneers and Federation series, however, the CD is DOS based and is not compatible with Windows Vista, or at least that's my experience. Ron Norton Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: <philandcolleen@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW] between the wars ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, Please disregard my reply. A senior moment saw me sent the correct information for QLD, not for NSW, as requested. Cheers, Jules. Warren, NSW. (But, still a Queensland girl) julie.dern@bigpond.com http://derngenealogy.tribalpages.com

Val, This is the link for the 'ask a librarian' for NSW. www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/ask Cheers, Jules. Warren, NSW. (But, still a Queensland girl) julie.dern@bigpond.com http://derngenealogy.tribalpages.com