Hello, I can't remember whether I, or anyone, has mentioned on this List that 2 months ago the government in Canada "finally" declared "2010, the Year of the British Home Child." Many of the subscribers on the BHC List have worked hard for several years to make this happen. And, now we are working hard to "spread the word" - both about the announcement and the plight of the "home children." A quick mention is that "over 100,000" unwanted children were shipped out of the United Kingdom and shipped to Canada. This "child migration scheme" went on from the 1860's to the 1930's. My great-grandparents and some siblings were part of the scheme, arriving in Nova Scotia in 1874. I've belonged to the BHC List for ~7 years, so I've read a lot of the stories. And I remember reading in some cases "siblings were separated" and perhaps some went to Australia and some went to Canada. I became interested in this so I joined a "Group" for the "Former Child Migrants" which was run by "Babs." (I can't remember he full name.) It used to be an MSN Group, I believe, where all Groups were cancelled. So, Babs transferred the archive of messages to a "Multiply" site. Many researchers found this site difficult to use, so I don't think too many joined, or continued to use it. I just remembered that name and went to the site: http://multiply.com/info/about I think the "discussion area" is under the BLOG category, and you should be able to search for "Former Child Migrants." If anyone can explain this better, please feel free. Researchers in Canada have been reading all the "news stories" about the important, "government APOLOGIES." So, we are aware of what has been discussed "in the news" over the past few months. We have been told that the government in Canada will not issue an apology. But, we are satisfied that they have chosen to officially honor the "Home Children." (There will also be "BHC stamp" issued in October !) Thank you for your time. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (on Lists for 8 years; now an Administrator for 8 Lists, including CAN-USA-Migration, CORKILL) FYI: My great-grandparents were: John "Stanley" LEWIS, b1859 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England; shipped to Canada in 1874 Mary Elizabeth CORKILL, b1860 Liverpool, Lancashire, England; shipped to Canada in 1874, along with 4 younger CORKILL siblings, the 2 youngest, Ages 5 and 3.

Hullo Dianne. I have ancestors buried in the C/E section of the Waverley cemetery, too...all facing the water... it is a beautifully located cemetery., and huge. What puzzles me about your query, is the title of the person officiating at the burial. I always thought that an R/C minister was called Father, rather than Reverend. However, I am no expert on these matters, but is it possible that Rev. G P Birch was in fact a minister in the high C/E. Is there a catholic church in Albert St Wollahra? Gloria

Hi folks, I worked in Wellington NZ in the 1960s as a ledger machinist in Treasury - just as Decimal Currency was coming into being - and I shared a house with five girls from Australia who were working at either the Treasury Dept or The Decimal Currency Centre (not sure if that was the actual name of the office!) We lived in a house on the hillside facing across Tinakori Rd to the Botanic Gardens. I've re-connected with the former Nan Whitson here in OZ - and know that Joan McGregor (from Brisbane) is no longer with us, but it seems that Robyn and Dianne Prendergast (from Sydney) have disappeared off the face of the earth! I vaguely recall Di and Rob saying their parents owned a hotel near Balmain in Sydney. Could even have been The Balmain Hotel but this was way back in the 1960s - If anyone has any connections or knows of their whereabouts could they please contact me offlist at woodart@woodart.comau Cheers Ainslie Pyne (nee Brown)

Looking for Stella Gauci...last known living Cabramatta West early 1970's.... lost track of her and family... Godparents to my son Jason... could SKS do a lookup on electoral rolls 1970's + then I can get idea when she left there...her husband was Wally Gauci but not sure if this is proper name ...they had a daughter Lisa....Regards... Lillian

Thanks Terry, Very interesting. The place I best know of with an E-W oriented headstone is at Upper Castlereagh church. Also, the church there (a very early church) has its door facing west ... just as you indicate is the 'ideal', i.e. to commence the spiritual journey in the west (from out of darkness) and head towards the rising sun, the light, enlightenment (= renewal/revival/resurrection? .. or 'born again' in USA parlance). My religious studies are making some progress, thanks to you. So where is this particular Sydney church you write about with that section? Is it St Mary's cathedral? Were there burials around it? Or was this a set-aside portion within the general Sydney cemetery .... that got later on built over by the Sydney Town Hall? Re 'unconscreated portion' set aside for the unbaptised (infants), and for disobeyers (e.g. those who marry outside the church), and for those who suicide ... that all makes sense. And agrees with what somebody told me about E-W running headstones .. that they signify suicide. At the Upper Castlereagh cemetery though the E-W trending headstone in right in the middle of normal N-S trending ones. I guess suidicide wasn't popular enough at Upper Castlereagh to set aside a whole area for it. Goodness knows why not, because it must have been a pretty hard life there for many, e.g. prior to Warragamba Dam it often flooded and many people would have lost everything more or less. Cheers, John ~~~~~~ >At 02:00 PM 4/02/2010 +1100, you wrote: >Good Afternoon, >I may be somewhat late in this thread, so if this has already been mentioned my apologies. >The following may be of interest:- >'.. Plenary Council of the Roman catholic church in Sydney in 1885 the setting apart of an unconscreated portion of the cemetery separated by a fence or wall for the purpose of '....the burial of infants who die without baptism, and of others, who according to the canonical enactments are deprived of ecclesiastical burials' ie those who marry outside the church, those who suicide.' > '..The graves themselves are orientated north south which would tend to contradict the `Order Established in the Mother Country' of a east west location.' Lachlan Macquarie determined 'graves.were to be carefully aligned east and West according to the Order Established in the Mother Country'(See Lionel Gilbert excellent work - "A Grave Look at History").. > "..The graves of those with German sounding names are located to the north eastern corner of the old cemetery in a semblance of chronological order. Mutzelburg notes that it was the custom for German Baptists and Lutherans to bury their deceased in chronological order row by row starting at one end of the grave yard [1] However it would appear that this custom was not a religious but rather cultural. Source: Own research. See 'Historical Notes www.terrycallaghan.net >'.. The church . followed the Christian practice of having the entrance on the west end of the nave so that the 'spiritual aspirants commence(d) their journey in the West and proceed through the door and the nave towards the sanctuary in the east' Thus representing in allegorical sense the way or path to salvation...The nave ( from the Latin 'navis', ship ) or body which symbolised to Christians the means of transport to their spiritual home' See 'Historical Notes www.terrycallaghan.net >Hth >Terry

Good Afternoon, I may be somewhat late in this thread, so if this has already been mentioned my apologies. The following may be of interest:- '.. Plenary Council of the Roman catholic church in Sydney in 1885 the setting apart of an unconscreated portion of the cemetery separated by a fence or wall for the purpose of '....the burial of infants who die without baptism, and of others, who according to the canonical enactments are deprived of ecclesiastical burials' ie those who marry outside the church, those who suicide.' '..The graves themselves are orientated north south which would tend to contradict the `Order Established in the Mother Country' of a east west location.' Lachlan Macquarie determined 'graves.were to be carefully aligned east and West according to the Order Established in the Mother Country'(See Lionel Gilbert excellent work - "A Grave Look at History").. "..The graves of those with German sounding names are located to the north eastern corner of the old cemetery in a semblance of chronological order. Mutzelburg notes that it was the custom for German Baptists and Lutherans to bury their deceased in chronological order row by row starting at one end of the grave yard [1] However it would appear that this custom was not a religious but rather cultural. Source: Own research. See 'Historical Notes www.terrycallaghan.net '.. The church . followed the Christian practice of having the entrance on the west end of the nave so that the 'spiritual aspirants commence(d) their journey in the West and proceed through the door and the nave towards the sanctuary in the east' Thus representing in allegorical sense the way or path to salvation...The nave ( from the Latin 'navis', ship ) or body which symbolised to Christians the means of transport to their spiritual home' See 'Historical Notes www.terrycallaghan.net Hth Terry _____ [1]Mutzelburg,O., How To Trace Your German Ancestors, Sydney, 1989. p.14.

Hi Dianne, Having read all the emails on this subject, especially this section of Terry's: '.. Plenary Council of the Roman catholic church in Sydney in 1885 the setting apart of an unconsecrated portion of the cemetery separated by a fence or wall for the purpose of '....the burial of infants who die without baptism, and of others, who according to the canonical enactments are deprived of ecclesiastical burials' i.e. those who marry outside the church, those who suicide.' I wonder if Caroline was one who married outside the church and had a death-bed confession, repenting of that marriage, therefore being able to be buried by a priest, but if the marriage was not annulled, still needing to be buried as an excommunicant. I would be interested to see who is interred in that grave or neighbouring ones - a child, her husband if he was Anglican, her parents if she converted to Catholicism? Do you have her marriage, and children's BDM details? That could answer lots of questions. Rosalyn Hi I have a death certificate for a Caroline Sullivan, died 1896. It states that the place of burial was the Church of England Cemetery Waverley and the minister was a George P Birch Roman Catholic. I have looked up George P Birch in the Sands Directory and he is listed as Rev G P Birch (R.C) Albert St Wollahra. Can anyone suggest why a person buried in the Church of England section in a cemetery would have a Catholic minister perform the ceremony? Keen to hear your ideas and if anyone else has found this in their family Thankyou. Regards, Dianne Myers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Terry. Very interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Callaghan To: AUS-NSW@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Church and cemetery Good Afternoon, I may be somewhat late in this thread, so if this has already been mentioned my apologies. The following may be of interest:- '.. Plenary Council of the Roman catholic church in Sydney in 1885 the setting apart of an unconscreated portion of the cemetery separated by a fence or wall for the purpose of '....the burial of infants who die without baptism, and of others, who according to the canonical enactments are deprived of ecclesiastical burials' ie those who marry outside the church, those who suicide.' '..The graves themselves are orientated north south which would tend to contradict the `Order Established in the Mother Country' of a east west location.' Lachlan Macquarie determined 'graves.were to be carefully aligned east and West according to the Order Established in the Mother Country'(See Lionel Gilbert excellent work - "A Grave Look at History").. "..The graves of those with German sounding names are located to the north eastern corner of the old cemetery in a semblance of chronological order. Mutzelburg notes that it was the custom for German Baptists and Lutherans to bury their deceased in chronological order row by row starting at one end of the grave yard [1] However it would appear that this custom was not a religious but rather cultural. Source: Own research. See 'Historical Notes www.terrycallaghan.net '.. The church . followed the Christian practice of having the entrance on the west end of the nave so that the 'spiritual aspirants commence(d) their journey in the West and proceed through the door and the nave towards the sanctuary in the east' Thus representing in allegorical sense the way or path to salvation...The nave ( from the Latin 'navis', ship ) or body which symbolised to Christians the means of transport to their spiritual home' See 'Historical Notes www.terrycallaghan.net Hth Terry _____ [1]Mutzelburg,O., How To Trace Your German Ancestors, Sydney, 1989. p.14. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Dianne, Why not ask any Catholic priest their opinion of this. E.g. would a priest consider burying anyone, anywhere, if requested to. And ask what he thinks the likelihood is that this suggests she was indeed Catholic. Cheers, John >Hi >I have a death certificate for a Caroline Sullivan, died 1896. It states that the place of burial was the Church of England Cemetery Waverley and the minister was a George P Birch Roman Catholic. I have looked up George P Birch in the Sands Directory and he is listed as Rev G P Birch (R.C) Albert St Wollahra. Can anyone suggest why a person buried in the Church of England section in a cemetery would have a Catholic minister perform the ceremony? Keen to hear your ideas and if anyone else has found this in their family >Thankyou. >Regards, Dianne Myers

Yes, quite good, However the main difference between the two religions was the belief in the Virgin Mary, and confession. Catholics may go to Cof E if a church is not near them. It is possible that a Cof E minister was not available. Its not a case of second choice but one of reality, both believe in the same faith but have differences of opinion My email is not to start a debate but to answer one reason why this may have occurred. Regards Wal -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Rob Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 5:48 AM To: aus nsw; dmyers@exemail.com.au Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Burial and religion Hi , Di This respondent has a good ,timely SOH ( Sense Of Humour ) LOL Ray George was working undercover as a mole! Hi I have a death certificate for a Caroline Sullivan, died 1896. It states that the place of burial was the Church of England Cemetery Waverley and the minister was a George P Birch Roman Catholic. I have looked up George P Birch in the Sands Directory and he is listed as Rev G P Birch (R.C) Albert St Wollahra. Can anyone suggest why a person buried in the Church of England section in a cemetery would have a Catholic minister perform the ceremony? Keen to hear your ideas and if anyone else has found this in their family Thankyou. Regards, Dianne Myers _________________________________________________________________ Singles online now! Browse profiles for FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/163036679/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anyone happen to be an ancestor of Arthur MCKENZIE born 1836 Balmain? Died 1922 Balmain. He married Martha ELDER and then Sarah BROWN. Children of marriage were Jessie, Sarah, John, Elizabeth, Mary, Thomas, Louisa and Bessie. Also looking for descendants of Mary MCKENZIE (daughter of Arthur McKenzie who married Frederick Croft SHEPHERD. Mary MCKENZIE was born in Balmain. Fay

Does anyone have persons with these surnames in their ancestry. BANFIELD, KIRCHLER, MAE, and O'HAGAN, all are associated with my SMITH and CROMPTON lines. I would love to make contact with descendants of Bruce Banfield, John Henry Kirchler, Valdemer Johann Mae, and Terrence Sutton O'Hagan....all married in the early 1900's. Gloria

Hello Most of of these villages churches were Norman (or part of) years - This particular village was on a hill.. infact I have read somewhere - the church was the highest above sea level in the county... Tte church had a side entrance with an entry porch.. was quite an effort to get up the path when the wind blew.. I was married there in December .. Don't Ask the Year. <grn> Churches of later years were built differently and didn't have churchyards... or pews or bells or pipe organs..>differnet hyms,, .. Memories betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] In ins-and-outs of burial and religion > > > Hello, > > > I think there might be some rule/tradition in this possible for old > churches that were constructed up on top of hills out in relatively rural > areas .. and were thereby free to orientate as they wished. > > In the suburbs, however, churches will be fronting some road or another > and > the altar will usually face the road, due to how people must walk in the > front door, and hence the directions could vary a lot in the suburbs. > > Cheers, > > > > John > > > > > > At 11:31 AM 2/02/2010 +1000, you wrote: > >>Trish >>I believe that was the practice/rule in Church Yards . .C of E >>I know in the English village where i was born and lived, . >>. The Altar was at the East End the Font at the West.. Belfry End. >>To enter the church for Bapism the Font end was the beginning'' >> >> The "grave stones" face east......the sun rises in the east >>The inscriptions at the head could be read at the feet.. >> >>re: suicides. my understanding the coffin was not brought into church >> altho' the service could be held. inside... >> Cemeteries could be different.. >> >>**Time has changed many things,, >> >>betty >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Trev Symonds" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> >>To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:43 AM >>Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] In ins-and-outs of burial and religion >> >> >>> Hi John, >>> I thought headstones faced east, ready to greet the dawn on the Day of >>> Resurrection.to face the final judgment - although I've noticed not all >>> cemeteries follow the practice, but most older ones do. I've never >>> heard >>> your theory on suicides being buried in a different direction, I'd be >>> interested to know if it is true. >>> And I thought that incriptions on the back of headstones was to respect >>> those buried there, so you didn't walk over their grave to read the >>> inscription. >>> I always learn something from this List, so look forward to reading >>> other >>> answers you receive. >>> Cheers >>> Trish >>> Nowra NSW >>> >>>> But I have another question for people .. why do some (such as Wesleyan >>>> Methodists) put their inscriptions on the 'back sides' of headstones >>>> (the >>>> western face)? >>>> Another possible question is why do some few headstones trend not N-S >>>> but >>>> E-W (but I already gather that this may be to signify the person >>>> committed >>>> suicide .. is that correct?). >>>> John >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- >> >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/01/10 >>22:37:00 >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/01/10 22:37:00

Hello, I think there might be some rule/tradition in this possible for old churches that were constructed up on top of hills out in relatively rural areas .. and were thereby free to orientate as they wished. In the suburbs, however, churches will be fronting some road or another and the altar will usually face the road, due to how people must walk in the front door, and hence the directions could vary a lot in the suburbs. Cheers, John At 11:31 AM 2/02/2010 +1000, you wrote: >Trish >I believe that was the practice/rule in Church Yards . .C of E >I know in the English village where i was born and lived, . >. The Altar was at the East End the Font at the West.. Belfry End. >To enter the church for Bapism the Font end was the beginning'' > > The "grave stones" face east......the sun rises in the east >The inscriptions at the head could be read at the feet.. > >re: suicides. my understanding the coffin was not brought into church > altho' the service could be held. inside... > Cemeteries could be different.. > >**Time has changed many things,, > >betty > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Trev Symonds" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> >To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:43 AM >Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] In ins-and-outs of burial and religion > > >> Hi John, >> I thought headstones faced east, ready to greet the dawn on the Day of >> Resurrection.to face the final judgment - although I've noticed not all >> cemeteries follow the practice, but most older ones do. I've never heard >> your theory on suicides being buried in a different direction, I'd be >> interested to know if it is true. >> And I thought that incriptions on the back of headstones was to respect >> those buried there, so you didn't walk over their grave to read the >> inscription. >> I always learn something from this List, so look forward to reading other >> answers you receive. >> Cheers >> Trish >> Nowra NSW >> >>> But I have another question for people .. why do some (such as Wesleyan >>> Methodists) put their inscriptions on the 'back sides' of headstones (the >>> western face)? >>> Another possible question is why do some few headstones trend not N-S but >>> E-W (but I already gather that this may be to signify the person >>> committed >>> suicide .. is that correct?). >>> John >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/01/10 >22:37:00 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Trish, That is exactly what I thought too. I reckon this must all be explained somewhere. Apparently the ones with inscriptions on the west face may often be of people with Scottish ancestry, so might be some old Scottish custom? If so then might expect many in Presbyterian sections ???? Have you ever seen any E-W trending headstones in amongst the normal N-S trending ones? I have, and in asking why it is so that has been the only story I have heard. Re "And I thought that incriptions on the back of headstones was to respect those buried there, so you didn't walk over their grave to read the inscription" that makes good sense too. So maybe that is why the custom arose in the first place? I'd suspect that somebody on this list would be likely to know answers to such things? Cheers, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 11:43 AM 2/02/2010 +1100, you wrote: >Hi John, >I thought headstones faced east, ready to greet the dawn on the Day of >Resurrection.to face the final judgment - although I've noticed not all >cemeteries follow the practice, but most older ones do. I've never heard >your theory on suicides being buried in a different direction, I'd be >interested to know if it is true. >And I thought that incriptions on the back of headstones was to respect >those buried there, so you didn't walk over their grave to read the >inscription. >I always learn something from this List, so look forward to reading other >answers you receive. >Cheers >Trish >Nowra NSW >> But I have another question for people .. why do some (such as Wesleyan >> Methodists) put their inscriptions on the 'back sides' of headstones (the >> western face)? >> Another possible question is why do some few headstones trend not N-S but >> E-W (but I already gather that this may be to signify the person committed >> suicide .. is that correct?). >> John > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi John, I thought headstones faced east, ready to greet the dawn on the Day of Resurrection.to face the final judgment - although I've noticed not all cemeteries follow the practice, but most older ones do. I've never heard your theory on suicides being buried in a different direction, I'd be interested to know if it is true. And I thought that incriptions on the back of headstones was to respect those buried there, so you didn't walk over their grave to read the inscription. I always learn something from this List, so look forward to reading other answers you receive. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > But I have another question for people .. why do some (such as Wesleyan > Methodists) put their inscriptions on the 'back sides' of headstones (the > western face)? > Another possible question is why do some few headstones trend not N-S but > E-W (but I already gather that this may be to signify the person committed > suicide .. is that correct?). > John

Trish I believe that was the practice/rule in Church Yards . .C of E I know in the English village where i was born and lived, . . The Altar was at the East End the Font at the West.. Belfry End. To enter the church for Bapism the Font end was the beginning'' The "grave stones" face east......the sun rises in the east The inscriptions at the head could be read at the feet.. re: suicides. my understanding the coffin was not brought into church altho' the service could be held. inside... Cemeteries could be different.. **Time has changed many things,, betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trev Symonds" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-nsw@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] In ins-and-outs of burial and religion > Hi John, > I thought headstones faced east, ready to greet the dawn on the Day of > Resurrection.to face the final judgment - although I've noticed not all > cemeteries follow the practice, but most older ones do. I've never heard > your theory on suicides being buried in a different direction, I'd be > interested to know if it is true. > And I thought that incriptions on the back of headstones was to respect > those buried there, so you didn't walk over their grave to read the > inscription. > I always learn something from this List, so look forward to reading other > answers you receive. > Cheers > Trish > Nowra NSW > >> But I have another question for people .. why do some (such as Wesleyan >> Methodists) put their inscriptions on the 'back sides' of headstones (the >> western face)? >> Another possible question is why do some few headstones trend not N-S but >> E-W (but I already gather that this may be to signify the person >> committed >> suicide .. is that correct?). >> John > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/01/10 22:37:00

Hello Dianne, I reckon I can answer this one. The plot was bought by an Anglican .. but inherited by a Catholic. Or else the person who bought it later on in their own lifetime saw the light and coverted to the one true holy apostolic church. Henry, who founded the CoE was a mite non-apostolic, I understand .. and a serial wife-killer to boot(?). Or so I was taught. And I should know as I went to a Catholic school :-) Two in fact, first the Nuns and then the Brothers. I have a well rounded education. But I have another question for people .. why do some (such as Wesleyan Methodists) put their inscriptions on the 'back sides' of headstones (the western face)? Another possible question is why do some few headstones trend not N-S but E-W (but I already gather that this may be to signify the person committed suicide .. is that correct?). As to exactly what 'my' family did .. I am still trying to figure that one out myself. I've discovered amongst my distant relatives a Salvation Army general. Do they 'open fire', with brass instuments in a volley at the burial site? I just don't know. Cheers, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hi > I have a death certificate for a Caroline Sullivan, died 1896. It states > that the place of burial was the Church of England Cemetery Waverley and the > minister was a George P Birch Roman Catholic. I have looked up George P > Birch in the Sands Directory and he is listed as Rev G P Birch (R.C) Albert > St Wollahra. Can anyone suggest why a person buried in the Church of England > section in a cemetery would have a Catholic minister perform the ceremony? > Keen to hear your ideas and if anyone else has found this in their family > Thankyou. >Regards, Dianne Myers

Hi , Di This respondent has a good ,timely SOH ( Sense Of Humour ) LOL Ray George was working undercover as a mole! Hi I have a death certificate for a Caroline Sullivan, died 1896. It states that the place of burial was the Church of England Cemetery Waverley and the minister was a George P Birch Roman Catholic. I have looked up George P Birch in the Sands Directory and he is listed as Rev G P Birch (R.C) Albert St Wollahra. Can anyone suggest why a person buried in the Church of England section in a cemetery would have a Catholic minister perform the ceremony? Keen to hear your ideas and if anyone else has found this in their family Thankyou. Regards, Dianne Myers _________________________________________________________________ Singles online now! Browse profiles for FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/163036679/direct/01/

George was working undercover as a mole! -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Myers Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 1:36 PM To: AUS-NSW@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-NSW] Burial and religion Hi I have a death certificate for a Caroline Sullivan, died 1896. It states that the place of burial was the Church of England Cemetery Waverley and the minister was a George P Birch Roman Catholic. I have looked up George P Birch in the Sands Directory and he is listed as Rev G P Birch (R.C) Albert St Wollahra. Can anyone suggest why a person buried in the Church of England section in a cemetery would have a Catholic minister perform the ceremony? Keen to hear your ideas and if anyone else has found this in their family Thankyou. Regards, Dianne Myers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 09:08:00