Many thanks Trish Most appreciated Rod -----Original Message----- From: symonds3 Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] ANNIE CLARICE FOWLER 100 YEARS OLD Hi Rod, There are no articles for Annie Clarice in the Sydney Morning Herald aged 100, other than her death notice. You may need to search for local interest stories. The Eastern Suburbs Spectator was founded 1972 and may have covered the event - http://www.thespectator.com.au/ There are also local papers such as Bondi View and City Hub, but I think these are much more recent. Maybe there are others if you google. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > Annie Clarice was born 21 July 1885 Hobart Tasmania > Annie died 30 Aug 1985 just a short time after she turned 100 years old. > I have the death notice from the SMH. > Can anyone tell me if there was any articles on Annie about her reaching > 100 years old > Rod ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rod, There are no articles for Annie Clarice in the Sydney Morning Herald aged 100, other than her death notice. You may need to search for local interest stories. The Eastern Suburbs Spectator was founded 1972 and may have covered the event - http://www.thespectator.com.au/ There are also local papers such as Bondi View and City Hub, but I think these are much more recent. Maybe there are others if you google. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > Annie Clarice was born 21 July 1885 Hobart Tasmania > Annie died 30 Aug 1985 just a short time after she turned 100 years old. > I have the death notice from the SMH. > Can anyone tell me if there was any articles on Annie about her reaching > 100 years old > Rod

Annie Clarice was born 21 July 1885 Hobart Tasmania parents George FOWLER and Annie SUMNER. 1906 saw Annie marry James Robert READ in Sydney NSW, they had 4 children Clarice Kevin Olga and Myra. Annie died 30 Aug 1985 just a short time after she turned 100 years old. I have the death notice from the SMH. Can anyone tell me if there was any articles on Annie about her reaching 100 years old Any assistance would be most appreciated Rod

Good afternoon Thank you to everyone who helped me with my BALK enquiry I appreciate your help and what you located has assisted me in my research. Regards Hazel Blacktown

Hi John, And I thought that extract from Frances Pollan's book would help!!! Seems it just opened another can of worms, eh? :>) I lived in the Blacktown area (Quakers Hill and Parklea) from 1975 to 2000 and it was a burning question way back then as well. Cheers, Maureen On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 8:24 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Maureen, > > Re "Ther name was moved south-west when a village grew up in the > area > around the later railway station" - nup, the railway line dragged the > name SE, not SW. > > There's been a great deal of confusion about it all. > > That's why I am trying to find the early newspaper article I've > been > told about (haven't seen it myself). > > Apparently the question got posed where was the original Blacks > Town > and the newspaper article proclaimed it had been near the Blacktown > Showground (which is just a little west of the railway-line-dragged > Blacktown name). > > Re "1848 Blacks' Town was a deserted village", not exactly - the > school was deserted by the grants land (Colebee grant) was lived on by > descendants ..... Maria Lock's descendants (see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarramundi [1] or see > http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/lock-maria-13050 [2], or > http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/lock_maria [3] ) lived there > till about 1916 (maybe even later but in ca. 1916 the Government > resumed the land). > > Maria's descendants, who today call themselves Darug (viz. > http://www.darug.org.au [4] ) sometimes call this the "double theft" > of their land - first time around the time of the 'invasion' of > English settlement, and the second time in 1916 when freehold land > inherted from Colebee by his sister Maria was resumed. > > I've been trying to find the government records of 1916 to learn > just > exactly what did happen - and why. > > Re "The full and interesting story of the Blacktown Aborigines has > never been written .. " this is true. Where are the records? > > When I went to the Land Titles Office in Sydney to try and find the > resumption records I was told "you'll be lucky" to find anything that > long ago. > > However, 1916 is not entirely ancient history, and the Egyptian > hieroglyphs, as well as ancient Summerian writings, preserve info from > way back further. > > If the Egyptians and Summerians could do it then surely our State > Records must be capable too. > > Re "The area is rich in red sandstone", where's that? Do you have > anywhere in mind. > > The tooks are mostly of silcrete around the Blacks Town and may not > be all that old; but not too far further west at Upper Castlereagh, > archaeologist Fr. Eugene Stockton, published about finding an in situ > stone tool that was near the base of the gravel layer that underlies > all of the alluvial flat there, and which geological work dates as > anything between 40 thousand years old, and 80 Ka. That would > *seem* to make the (western) Sydney region have the old known trace of > humanity in all of Eastern Austraila. However many have doubted this > find because there is a very large gap between that date and the > beginning of a more continuous record from about 22 Ka ago. > > The Darugs got upset for the third time when Blacktown Council > zoned > much of Colebee's grant land for the spread of urban development (part > of the NW Growth Zone). And just across the road (across on the > western side of Richmond Road) there's currently a sign saying that > there will be constructed there an industrial zone bigger than the > whole of the Sydney CBD. > > Big changes since Colebee's time. > > The Geographic Names Board has put "Blacks` Town was" of 1821 in > which Blacktown, as already noted (i.e. from Pollon's "The Book of > Sydney Suburbs", 1988). > > Land through Rooty Hill - Plumpton - Marsden Park district often > has > the same parcel of land given a variety of suburb/place names over > time. That's why it can be confusing. The same person over > time may seem to be moving around. But then again maybe they were > not, just that different references to where they lived kept calliing > it different place names(?). > > Cheers, > > > > John > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > . > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:[email protected] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:21:50 +1000 > Subject:Re: [AUS-NSW] AREA DATES > > Sorry folks. The book slipped and hit the enter button before I could > type > further. > > Hazel, not sure how acurate Frances Pollon's 1988s research into > Sydney > suburbs is, but may help. > > Cheers, Maureen > > What I was going to write was :- > > Governor Macquarie had what is probably the most understanding > attitude to > the Aborigines of any of the colony's Governors, and he made several > attempts to raise their standard of living. One of his ideas was to > grant > them land of their own. This was Blacks' Town, established in 1821 in > the > area of present Plumpton. Ther name was moved south-west when a > village > grew up in the area around the later railway station. The Native > Institution, a school for Aboriginal children, established near > Parramatta > in 1814, was moved to the same area by Governor Brisbane in 1823.The > Native > Institution had been established by William Shelley, a missionary who > had > come from Tahiti, and Mrs. Macquarie is said to have taken a great > interest > in the scheme, teaching the women and girls sewing and singing. > However, > the idea gradually failed owing to staff shortages, and the > institution > closed in 1825. By 1848 Blacks' Town was a deserted village. > > Todays Blacktown stands on the site of two large grants: 1,200 acres, > north > of the present station, given to Frederick Garling in 1819, and 2,000 > acres > given to Robert Lethbridge in 1823. These two properties were > subdivided > into lots of 6 to 98 acres in the 1850s and 1860s. After 1860, when > the > railway line came, the suburb showed signs of revival. The station was > called Blacktown Road and a small village grew up around it. In the > late > 1860s Mrs. Chisholm's school was established, and it received > Government > aid in 1871. A post office was opened in July 1862, the year when the > name > of the suburb was officially changed to Blacktown. In 1872 the > increasing > population necissitated the opening of a public school. > > The area remained semi-rural until after the Second World War. The > population explosion of the 1960s turned it into a thriving area, a > shopping mecca for nearby suburbs. Blacktown has a number of fine > educational institutions, a large hospital and the second largest > recreation club in NSW. Blacktown is also the railway junction of the > Richmond line, which was opened in 1864. Blacktown Shire Council was > first > established in 1906 and the first Council Chambers were opened in > 1912. > > The full and interesting story of the Blacktown Aborigines has never > been > written, because of lack of information about the traditions and > culture of > the tribes that lived there. The area is rich in red sandstone, and > some > stone tools have been located over the years. The style of the > artifacts > already found belongs to the past thousand or more years. > > On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Hazel Magann > wrote: > > > Good afternoon > > I am again hoping to receive some advice or assistance. I am > compiling > > histories of people who have resided in Blacktown City though not > > restricting their biographies to certain years. > > > > I am having difficulty locating excat dates that the districts > received > > their official names in Blacktown City. I have checked "The > Geographical > > Names Board" to come up against a brick wall. I am aware of when the > > Housing Estate at Mount Druitt named their Districts but it is the > other > > areas I require. > > > > Any help would be most appreciated > > > > Warm Regards > > Hazel E. Magann. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarramundi > [2] http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/lock-maria-13050 > [3] http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/lock_maria > [4] http://www.darug.org.au > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

  Hi Maureen, Re "Ther name was moved south-west when a village grew up in the area around the later railway station" - nup, the railway line dragged the name SE, not SW. There's been a great deal of confusion about it all. That's why I am trying to find the early newspaper article I've been told about (haven't seen it myself). Apparently the question got posed where was the original Blacks Town and the newspaper article proclaimed it had been near the Blacktown Showground (which is just a little west of the railway-line-dragged Blacktown name). Re "1848 Blacks' Town was a deserted village", not exactly - the school was deserted by the grants land (Colebee grant) was lived on by descendants ..... Maria Lock's descendants (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarramundi [1] or see http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/lock-maria-13050 [2], or http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/lock_maria [3] ) lived there till about 1916 (maybe even later but in ca. 1916 the Government resumed the land). Maria's descendants, who today call themselves Darug (viz.  http://www.darug.org.au [4] ) sometimes call this the "double theft" of their land - first time around the time of the 'invasion' of English settlement, and the second time in 1916 when freehold land inherted from Colebee by his sister Maria was resumed. I've been trying to find the government records of 1916 to learn just exactly what did happen - and why. Re "The full and interesting story of the Blacktown Aborigines has never been written .. " this is true.   Where are the records? When I went to the Land Titles Office in Sydney to try and find the resumption records I was told "you'll be lucky" to find anything that long ago. However, 1916 is not entirely ancient history, and the Egyptian hieroglyphs, as well as ancient Summerian writings, preserve info from way back further. If the Egyptians and Summerians could do it then surely our State Records must be capable too. Re "The area is rich in red sandstone", where's that?   Do you have anywhere in mind. The tooks are mostly of silcrete around the Blacks Town and may not be all that old; but not too far further west at Upper Castlereagh,  archaeologist Fr. Eugene Stockton, published about finding an in situ stone tool that was near the base of the gravel layer that underlies all of the alluvial flat there, and which geological work dates as anything between 40 thousand years old, and 80 Ka.   That would *seem* to make the (western) Sydney region have the old known trace of humanity in all of Eastern Austraila.  However many have doubted this find because there is a very large gap between that date and the beginning of a more continuous record from about 22 Ka ago. The Darugs got upset for the third time when Blacktown Council zoned much of Colebee's grant land for the spread of urban development (part of the NW Growth Zone).   And just across the road (across on the western side of Richmond Road) there's currently a sign saying that there will be constructed there an industrial zone bigger than the whole of the Sydney CBD. Big changes since Colebee's time. The Geographic Names Board has put  "Blacks` Town was" of 1821 in which Blacktown, as already noted (i.e. from Pollon's "The Book of Sydney Suburbs", 1988). Land through Rooty Hill - Plumpton - Marsden Park district often has the same parcel of land given a variety of suburb/place names over time.   That's why it can be confusing.   The same person over time may seem to be moving around.   But then again maybe they were not, just that different references to where they lived kept calliing it different place names(?).   Cheers,   John   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .   ----- Original Message ----- From:[email protected] To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:21:50 +1000 Subject:Re: [AUS-NSW] AREA DATES Sorry folks. The book slipped and hit the enter button before I could type further. Hazel, not sure how acurate Frances Pollon's 1988s research into Sydney suburbs is, but may help. Cheers, Maureen What I was going to write was :- Governor Macquarie had what is probably the most understanding attitude to the Aborigines of any of the colony's Governors, and he made several attempts to raise their standard of living. One of his ideas was to grant them land of their own. This was Blacks' Town, established in 1821 in the area of present Plumpton. Ther name was moved south-west when a village grew up in the area around the later railway station. The Native Institution, a school for Aboriginal children, established near Parramatta in 1814, was moved to the same area by Governor Brisbane in 1823.The Native Institution had been established by William Shelley, a missionary who had come from Tahiti, and Mrs. Macquarie is said to have taken a great interest in the scheme, teaching the women and girls sewing and singing. However, the idea gradually failed owing to staff shortages, and the institution closed in 1825. By 1848 Blacks' Town was a deserted village. Todays Blacktown stands on the site of two large grants: 1,200 acres, north of the present station, given to Frederick Garling in 1819, and 2,000 acres given to Robert Lethbridge in 1823. These two properties were subdivided into lots of 6 to 98 acres in the 1850s and 1860s. After 1860, when the railway line came, the suburb showed signs of revival. The station was called Blacktown Road and a small village grew up around it. In the late 1860s Mrs. Chisholm's school was established, and it received Government aid in 1871. A post office was opened in July 1862, the year when the name of the suburb was officially changed to Blacktown. In 1872 the increasing population necissitated the opening of a public school. The area remained semi-rural until after the Second World War. The population explosion of the 1960s turned it into a thriving area, a shopping mecca for nearby suburbs. Blacktown has a number of fine educational institutions, a large hospital and the second largest recreation club in NSW. Blacktown is also the railway junction of the Richmond line, which was opened in 1864. Blacktown Shire Council was first established in 1906 and the first Council Chambers were opened in 1912. The full and interesting story of the Blacktown Aborigines has never been written, because of lack of information about the traditions and culture of the tribes that lived there. The area is rich in red sandstone, and some stone tools have been located over the years. The style of the artifacts already found belongs to the past thousand or more years. On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Hazel Magann wrote: > Good afternoon > I am again hoping to receive some advice or assistance. I am compiling > histories of people who have resided in Blacktown City though not > restricting their biographies to certain years. > > I am having difficulty locating excat dates that the districts received > their official names in Blacktown City. I have checked "The Geographical > Names Board" to come up against a brick wall. I am aware of when the > Housing Estate at Mount Druitt named their Districts but it is the other > areas I require. > > Any help would be most appreciated > > Warm Regards > Hazel E. Magann. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarramundi [2] http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/lock-maria-13050 [3] http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/lock_maria [4] http://www.darug.org.au

  Hi Hazel, Re "I am having difficulty locating excat dates that the districts received their official names in Blacktown City. I have checked "The Geographical Names Board" to come up against a brick wall", just tried the following three at GNB: MARSDEN PARK GNB says "Assigned 9th January 1987 [1]" and "A suburb about 2 km W by S of Schofields and about 5 km NE of Shalvey". ~~~ COLEBEE GNB says "Assigned 9th January 1987 [2] and "A suburb located about 2 km west of Quakers Hill Railway Station and immediately to the north of Dean Park" and "Named after C. Colebee who was granted Portion 27 (30 acres) in the Parish of Gidley. Colebee is said to have been the first aborigine to be granted land this area." ~~~ BLACKTOWN GNB says Assigned 9th January 1987 [3] and "A suburb about 5 km NE of Prospect Reservoir and about 6 km SE of Rooty Hill" and "Word may indicate the location for the aborigines sponsored by Governor Macquarie - in 1826 P.7. (Information from Blacktown Public School Centenary Booklet 1871-1971) Also see RAHS Vol 4, P 485.  Blacks` Town was established by Governor Macquarie in 1821 when land was first granted to Aborigines in the area. (Pollon: The Book of Sydney Suburbs, 1988)". However, in fact, Black's Town is NORTH of what I call Rooty Hill (and what the UBD 2012 street directly calls Rooty Hill. And no wy SE or Rooty Hill. So very confusing, isn't it all. Tell me where you think "Plumpton Ridge" area is. I'm also looking for a 1980s  newspaper article that's apparently quite infamous for doing an article on the very question of where was the original Blacktown - and getting it quite wrong. Would anyone have a copy of that, please? Cheers,     John Byrnes (Strathfield - Liberty Plains part thereof)   ----- Original Message ----- From:[email protected] To:"Australia" Cc: Sent:Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:27:07 +1000 Subject:Re: [AUS-NSW] AREA DATES Good afternoon I am again hoping to receive some advice or assistance. I am compiling histories of people who have resided in Blacktown City though not restricting their biographies to certain years. I am having difficulty locating excat dates that the districts received their official names in Blacktown City. I have checked "The Geographical Names Board" to come up against a brick wall. I am aware of when the Housing Estate at Mount Druitt named their Districts but it is the other areas I require. Any help would be most appreciated. Warm Regards Hazel E. Magann. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   Links: ------ [1] http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/59628/FS_P0821001R_GNB_a.pdf [2] http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/59628/FS_P0821001R_GNB_a.pdf [3] http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/59628/FS_P0821001R_GNB_a.pdf

Sorry folks. The book slipped and hit the enter button before I could type further. Hazel, not sure how acurate Frances Pollon's 1988s research into Sydney suburbs is, but may help. Cheers, Maureen What I was going to write was :- Governor Macquarie had what is probably the most understanding attitude to the Aborigines of any of the colony's Governors, and he made several attempts to raise their standard of living. One of his ideas was to grant them land of their own. This was Blacks' Town, established in 1821 in the area of present Plumpton. Ther name was moved south-west when a village grew up in the area around the later railway station. The Native Institution, a school for Aboriginal children, established near Parramatta in 1814, was moved to the same area by Governor Brisbane in 1823.The Native Institution had been established by William Shelley, a missionary who had come from Tahiti, and Mrs. Macquarie is said to have taken a great interest in the scheme, teaching the women and girls sewing and singing. However, the idea gradually failed owing to staff shortages, and the institution closed in 1825. By 1848 Blacks' Town was a deserted village. Todays Blacktown stands on the site of two large grants: 1,200 acres, north of the present station, given to Frederick Garling in 1819, and 2,000 acres given to Robert Lethbridge in 1823. These two properties were subdivided into lots of 6 to 98 acres in the 1850s and 1860s. After 1860, when the railway line came, the suburb showed signs of revival. The station was called Blacktown Road and a small village grew up around it. In the late 1860s Mrs. Chisholm's school was established, and it received Government aid in 1871. A post office was opened in July 1862, the year when the name of the suburb was officially changed to Blacktown. In 1872 the increasing population necissitated the opening of a public school. The area remained semi-rural until after the Second World War. The population explosion of the 1960s turned it into a thriving area, a shopping mecca for nearby suburbs. Blacktown has a number of fine educational institutions, a large hospital and the second largest recreation club in NSW. Blacktown is also the railway junction of the Richmond line, which was opened in 1864. Blacktown Shire Council was first established in 1906 and the first Council Chambers were opened in 1912. The full and interesting story of the Blacktown Aborigines has never been written, because of lack of information about the traditions and culture of the tribes that lived there. The area is rich in red sandstone, and some stone tools have been located over the years. The style of the artifacts already found belongs to the past thousand or more years. On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Hazel Magann <[email protected]>wrote: > Good afternoon > I am again hoping to receive some advice or assistance. I am compiling > histories of people who have resided in Blacktown City though not > restricting their biographies to certain years. > > I am having difficulty locating excat dates that the districts received > their official names in Blacktown City. I have checked "The Geographical > Names Board" to come up against a brick wall. I am aware of when the > Housing Estate at Mount Druitt named their Districts but it is the other > areas I require. > > Any help would be most appreciated. > > Warm Regards > Hazel E. Magann. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Magann" <[email protected]> To: "Australia" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] BALK > Good afternoon > I am hoping someone maybe kind enough if they have a copy of > the NSW 1903 Electoral Roll to check a man named Balk's > residential address. In my records I have him down as Jan > Ter-Balk. I have just located his death in 1921 registered at > Moss Vale. I am aware he worked at the Riverstomne Meatworks > but know nothing else except he arrived in the country in 1888. > > At the time of his death his wife was residing at Riverstone. > > Hazel Only 1 x BALK come up for NSW in the 1903 e rolls and thats a Jessie BALK at Essex farms, Parramatta / Riverstone area Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast

Hazel, I have a book compiled and edited by Frances Pollon that gives info on most of Sydney suburbs. On Blacktown her info is:- Governor M On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Hazel Magann <[email protected]>wrote: > Good afternoon > I am again hoping to receive some advice or assistance. I am compiling > histories of people who have resided in Blacktown City though not > restricting their biographies to certain years. > > I am having difficulty locating excat dates that the districts received > their official names in Blacktown City. I have checked "The Geographical > Names Board" to come up against a brick wall. I am aware of when the > Housing Estate at Mount Druitt named their Districts but it is the other > areas I require. > > Any help would be most appreciated. > > Warm Regards > Hazel E. Magann. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Hazel What was his wife's name. I can only find the name Balks in the Newcastle area but nothing for Balk or Ter-Balk/Terbalk. Joan Good afternoon I am hoping someone maybe kind enough if they have a copy of the NSW 1903 Electoral Roll to check a man named Balk's residential address. In my records I have him down as Jan Ter-Balk. I have just located his death in 1921 registered at Moss Vale. I am aware he worked at the Riverstomne Meatworks but know nothing else except he arrived in the country in 1888. At the time of his death his wife was residing at Riverstone. Thank you Hazel E. Magann OAM Blacktown

Good afternoon I am again hoping to receive some advice or assistance. I am compiling histories of people who have resided in Blacktown City though not restricting their biographies to certain years. I am having difficulty locating excat dates that the districts received their official names in Blacktown City. I have checked "The Geographical Names Board" to come up against a brick wall. I am aware of when the Housing Estate at Mount Druitt named their Districts but it is the other areas I require. Any help would be most appreciated. Warm Regards Hazel E. Magann.

Good afternoon I am hoping someone maybe kind enough if they have a copy of the NSW 1903 Electoral Roll to check a man named Balk's residential address. In my records I have him down as Jan Ter-Balk. I have just located his death in 1921 registered at Moss Vale. I am aware he worked at the Riverstomne Meatworks but know nothing else except he arrived in the country in 1888. At the time of his death his wife was residing at Riverstone. Thank you Hazel E. Magann OAM Blacktown

nothing pre 1930 for BALK.. a Herman Vangester BALK Chancer Road..Slaughterman and a John BALK Clive Estate Labourer at Parramtta Riverstone for 1930 cheers Wendy W.A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel Magann" <[email protected]> To: "Australia" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] BALK > Good afternoon > I am hoping someone maybe kind enough if they have a copy of the NSW 1903 > Electoral Roll to check a man named Balk's residential > > Thank you > Hazel

Hi Nick, Saw your message containing info on Mary Jane BLAIR and John DONALDSON. I have a reference to a John DONALDSON with parents David and Eliza(Smith).born in 1864.Does anything match?. Parents lived around inner Sydney according to various BDMs. Regards Rob

Hi everyone, I have recently subscribed to the lists, and thought I would get straight into it and try my luck (and please excuse my crossposting, just trying to reach a maximum audience, you never know where a fellow researcher may be lurking !). I am trying to revitalise my research once again after a few years out of the regular routine. For many years, and together with some fellow BLAIR family researchers, I have been researching the family of my g-g-g granduncle James BLAIR (b c1817 Liverpool), who married Elizabeth CABLE in 1837 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, and migrated to Australia in 1841. In his years spent in Sydney, James BLAIR was, among other things, a timber merchant, shipowner and publican, and held the license for the Bristol Arms Hotel in Sussex Street during the 1860s and 1870s, as did his sons. James BLAIR died in 1880 in Sydney. In summary, James and Elizabeth's known children were as follows: James Edwin (1) b 1838 (d 1855) Charles b 1843 (d 1859) Francis b 1845 (m Mary Ann HOPGOOD) Emma b 1847 (m Alexander NICHOLSON) Mary Jane b 1850 (m John DONALDSON) Sydney Richard b 1853 (d 1855) James Edwin (2) b 1855 (m Kitty Mary Ann HORWOOD) Sydney John b 1858 (d 1860) Francis and Mary Ann BLAIR (HOPGOOD) had two children who were stillborn - however, Mary Ann's niece inherited their property and money Emma BLAIR married Alexander NICHOLSON, and they had a daughter Elizabeth (married BOWMAN), but by the mid 1870s, Alexander was off the scene, and Emma went on to have a number of children with Frederick WOOD/S. Mary Jane and John DONALDSON (BLAIR) lived in Sydney until the 1880s, and then emigrated to San Francisco - however, whilst some of their children went with them to California, the remaining DONALDSON children continued to live in Sydney. James Edwin (2) and Kitty BLAIR (HORWOOD) had a number of children, and the family lived in Kent Street, then centred around the eastern suburbs and inner west after James Edwin (2) died in 1887 - associated names include LINGARD. If there is anybody on the lists who is researching these families, or knows someone who is researching or descended from these families, I would love to hear from you ! Thanks for taking the time to read my post :) Nick Batley (Sydney)

Hi again Linda, This is only a possibility for his mother, Theodosia SIMMONS - 1896 - Theodosia Emily HARRISON married Patrick SIMMONS, Merriwa-NSW 1938 - Patrick SIMMONS died Orange-NSW (10176) son of John and Mary 1939 - Theodosia Emily SIMMONS died 1939, Orange-NSW (10723) daughter of David and Bridget There are children born to David and Bridget HARRISON in the indexes, including Theodore - who may be Theodosia and has been mistranscribed? 1870 - Frederick S HARRISON, Wee Waa 1873 - Alice Maria HARRISON, Grafton 1875 - Theodore HARRISON, Coonabarabran 1877 - Elizabeth Jane HARRISON, Coonabarabran 1879 - Isabella Helena HARRISON, Walgett There is no death registered for Theodore HARRISON in NSW or in the National Archives as a casualty of war; and no obvious marriage. All the towns mentioned for this family - Merriwa, Wee Waa, Grafton, Coonabarabran and Walgett, Trangie, Quirindi and Tamworth etc - are in country New South Wales Cheers Trish Nowra NSW This family is my uncles line. I never met him and know very little about his family. What I've found so far: Name - Arthur Richard Simmons, born in 1910 (registered in Tamworth, NSW). Parents, Theodisa and Patrick Simmons. He was married twice. 1st to Neilis Mona Rowe in 1939. 2nd to Jenny Stephenson in 1947. Linda in Ohio, USA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Petty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:42 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Online Census? . I'm going to be in Australia for a couple of months later this year. Maybe I can do some in person research while I'm there. My mom was a war bride (came to the US in 1944 on the Lurline) so I feel very close to Australia. Hi Linda You will find quite a lot of info here http://naa.gov.au/collection/a-z/war-brides.aspx

I would like to thank Josephine and Lorette for the great help they have given me regarding the Brennan family. Best wishes, Maree

Linda, Patrick SIMMONS married Theodosia HARRISON at Merriwa-NSW in 1896. The BMDs show a number of children were born to Patrick and Theodosia Emily SIMMONS up to 1911 (end of online indexes) - 1896 - Patrick B - born at Merriwa; killed-in-action WW1 on 7 June 1917 1898 - Reginald Joseph born Quirindi-NSW; died 1949 at Brewarrina-NSW 1900 - Edgar born Quirindi-NSW; died 1975 1902 - John David, born Quirindi-NSW; died 1972 at Parramatta-NSW 1904 - William Thomas born Quirindi-NSW; died 1962 Brewarrina-NSW 1906 - Bridget Margaret born Tamworth-NSW; died 1974 as Bridget BANNON wife of Edward 1908 - Linda M - at Tamworth 1910 - Arthur Richard born Tamworth-NSW; died 1963 at Parramatta-NSW Other children after 1911 including - 1916 - Leo Alphonsus, born 29 December 1916 at Tamworth-NSW; K-I-A WW2, 28 Nov 1942 Patrick SIMMONS, No 2131, private in the Australian Army 33rd Battalion, killed-in-action in Belgium on 7 June 1917 - http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/102828/SIMMONS,%20PATRICK His parents are shown as Patrick and Theodosia SIMMONS original of King Grove at Tamworth but changed to - of "Ellengerah Station", Trangie; native of Tamworth-NSW. He was aged 21 years and 8 months (born Merriwa-NSW) when he enlisted on 8 February 1916, and a farmer, unmarried. There is a handwritten letter from his father on the file written in 1924 regarding a medals and plaque. There are 43 pages of his service history at the National Archives of Australia. Also in WW2, Port Moresby-New Guinea War Cemetery - Leo Alphonsus SIMMONS, private, No NX32418 A.LF, 2/33 Battalion, Australian Infantry, 28 November 1942 aged 26 http://www.pngbd.com/forum/printthread.php?t=6423&pp=10&page=11 http://www.kokodatrail.com.au/forums/index.php?showtopic=143&st=90 http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/roll_of_honour/person.asp?p=538710 WW2 Nominal Roll: Leo Alphonsus SIMMONS, born 29 December 1916 at Tamworth-NSW; next-of-kin Reginald SIMMONS Ryerson Index (death notices in newspapers) - Arthur Richard SIMMONS, died 24 September 1963 age 53, of Parramatta; published Sydney Morning Herald 26 Sept 1963 Jenny SIMMONS, died 21 November 1998 age 86, late of Hornsby formerly of Cessnock and Parramatta, published SMH 24 Nov 1998 Sydney Morning Herald, 26 September 1963 - DEATHS - SIMMONS, Arthur Richard - September 24, 1963, of Parramatta, of 39 Hassall Street, Parramatta, beloved husband of Jenny and loving father of Beverley, aged 53 years. FUNERALS - SIMMONS - The Relatives and Friends of Mrs Jenny Simmons and Family of 39 Hassall Street, Parramatta, are invited to attend the Funeral of her beloved Husband, ARTHUR RICHARD: to leave the Chapel at Perth House, 85 George Street, Parramatta, this Thursday afternoon after service commencing at 3 o'clock for Rookwood Crematorium. William H. Timmins, Funeral Director. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW This family is my uncles line. I never met him and know very little about his family. What I've found so far: Name - Arthur Richard Simmons, born in 1910 (registered in Tamworth, NSW). Parents, Theodisa and Patrick Simmons. He was married twice. 1st to Neilis Mona Rowe in 1939. 2nd to Jenny Stephenson in 1947. Linda in Ohio, USA