Hi List, This man isn't mine, but posting the information in case it applies to anyone here. James WHITE was tried 1805 and transported 1806 aboard "Duke of Portland", and was servant to Governor Bligh and later Edward Lord and Mr McCOURT. His Tasmanian Conduct Record shows he was sent out in the name of W. PARKER. He was reconvicted in Middlesex on 13 September 1827 and transported to Tasmania in 1828 aboard "William Miles". This information was found on Tasmania's Founders & Survivors website - http://foundersandsurvivors.org/pubsearch/convict/chain/c31a31450843 Cheers Trish Nowra NSW

Greetings Listers Can anyone tell me anything about the Author Neville (NJ) GALLAGHER of "The Long Travail" published, apparently in Australia, in 1987 please? I have just discovered a Neville James GALLAGHER (1921-1997) in my family and wonder if there is a link of some sort - maybe the same guy? 'My' Neville was born in Sydney in 1921, served in WW2 1942-46, and died (if I've got the right one), possibly in Mittagong, in 1997. I've found that there is a Death Notice for a Neville James GALLAGHER (late of Mittagong) in the Daily Telegraph (Sydney) on 19 Apr 1997, with a death date of 16 Apr. It sounds like 'my' Neville, but I have to wait for a trip to State Library to check the notice. I found his Army details on the WW2 Nominal Roll. Any other information about or contacts to whichever Neville (mine is s/o Adrian Anthony GALLAGHER and Lillian Greta née ROWLEY later CASSERLY) would be great. Many thanks. Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hi Pam I have search on Ancestry for Adrian cemetery record by can not find one. There are about 6 public family trees who I think might be your Adrian Anthoney Gallagher, but they all have only when he died whis is 1964 age 69 Marrickville, NSW He was born in Queensland 17 Jan 1895 his Wife Lillian Greta Rowley marred at Granville 1921, his parents were Brenard Gallagher & Margaret Elliott If this is your Adrian there are some records in the Police Gazetts for him charge with desertion his wife and children 1927/ 1928 I happy to send you these records if they are you fellow Cheers Josephine Bris. P.S. any of your Gallagher married to Hackett or Tully families. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PMR Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 7:59 PM To: NSW Mailing List Subject: [AUS-NSW] Burial at Rookwood Cemetery Greetings Listers I've been told that Adrian Anthony GALLAGHER who died in 1964 (registered at Marrickville) is buried in Rookwood Cemetery. It could be in the RC section. I get all muddled when trying to access the Rookwood records! Is someone more on the ball able to check for me please? Many thanks. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "PMR" <[email protected]> To: "NSW Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:59 PM Subject: [AUS-NSW] Burial at Rookwood Cemetery > Greetings Listers > > I've been told that Adrian Anthony GALLAGHER who > died in 1964 > (registered at Marrickville) is buried in Rookwood Cemetery. It > could be in > the RC section. > > I get all muddled when trying to access the Rookwood > records! Is > someone more on the ball able to check for me please? > Hi Pam Only way you're going to find this is to get a transcription of his death cert ........ He lived around Darlinghurst . I checked in the Waverly CD and ESMP, crematorium and cemetery but no ref found Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast

Hi Pam On the AGCI index there is a Kate Gallagher with a death 4th Nov 1964/Source Cemetery Transcript Catholic/Held by Cape Banks Family History Society/Place Botany, NSW...so would probably be buried at Waverly Cemetery. No Adrian Anthony Gallagher listed. Cheers Joan > > I've been told that Adrian Anthony GALLAGHER who died in 1964 > (registered at Marrickville) is buried in Rookwood Cemetery. It could be > in > the RC section. > > I get all muddled when trying to access the Rookwood records! > Is > someone more on the ball able to check for me please? > > Many thanks. > > Cheers > > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia >

Hi again Pam, I've seen a few messages on the List Archives from you regarding Adrian GALLAGHER going back a few years, and he appears to be a bit of a mystery-man for you. It might be worth your while to use a transcription agent to order a partial certificate (1 field, eg place of burial) or the full certificate, which may answer a few questions for you - http://www.transcriptions.com.au/pages/marbnsworder.php Cheers Trish Nowra NSW I've been told that Adrian Anthony GALLAGHER who died in 1964 > (registered at Marrickville) is buried in Rookwood Cemetery. It could be > in > the RC section. > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Pam, He doesn't appear on the Rookwood CD so a headstone is unlikely in any section. David -----Original Message----- From: PMR Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:59 PM To: NSW Mailing List Subject: [AUS-NSW] Burial at Rookwood Cemetery Greetings Listers I've been told that Adrian Anthony GALLAGHER who died in 1964 (registered at Marrickville) is buried in Rookwood Cemetery. It could be in the RC section. I get all muddled when trying to access the Rookwood records! Is someone more on the ball able to check for me please? Many thanks. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam, I couldn't see a listing for Adrian GALLAGHER on the online indexes at Rookwood Catholic, Anglican, or Independent Cemeteries, or at Eastern Suburbs Cemetery or Crematorium. There's no death/burial notice for him in the Sydney Morning Herald, and nothing on the Ryerson Index. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I've been told that Adrian Anthony GALLAGHER who died in 1964 > (registered at Marrickville) is buried in Rookwood Cemetery. It could be > in > the RC section. > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Its the Anglican section that is the hardest Pam, you have to have a name and password, its flippin ridiculous. Couldn't find him in the RC section so will go on now and look in the Anglican section cheers Lyn -------------------------------------------------- From: "PMR" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:59 PM To: "NSW Mailing List" <[email protected]> Subject: [AUS-NSW] Burial at Rookwood Cemetery > Greetings Listers > > I've been told that Adrian Anthony GALLAGHER who died in 1964 > (registered at Marrickville) is buried in Rookwood Cemetery. It could be > in > the RC section. > > I get all muddled when trying to access the Rookwood records! > Is > someone more on the ball able to check for me please? > > Many thanks. > > Cheers > > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings Listers I've been told that Adrian Anthony GALLAGHER who died in 1964 (registered at Marrickville) is buried in Rookwood Cemetery. It could be in the RC section. I get all muddled when trying to access the Rookwood records! Is someone more on the ball able to check for me please? Many thanks. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hi Everyone I'm hoping that someone can find for me the children born after 1909 to Richard and Mary Shumack nee Murray. The children I have are all born Sunny Corner -ie. Vera. M 1901, James 1902, Kathleen 1904, Mabel 1907, and twins Beatrice and Patrick born and died in 1909. Other children I have are Richard Joseph, Vincent Murray, Wilton Joseph, James Richard and George. Any help is very much appreciated. Kindest regards Dianna

Hi Glynis, Thats interesting.. i hadnt thought of going sideways only further down the line.. or would that be up the line :0 I recently came across Frederick's brother who i had been searching for almost since i started on the family history trail, and he suddenly popped his head up in a brother in law's will ( many years after the sister had died and even though he had been living in Canada for a long time and the brother in law in England) Many thanks for your thoughts.. Cheers Sue On 23/10/2012 9:11 AM, Glynis Turner wrote: > Hi Sue > > An ancestor who came to Oz in 1839 later included in the name a son the name > of his older brother in law. > > I have concluded that his brother in law had been a mentor after his father > died when he was a teenager. The brother in law was a tanner in England and > a similar business was established in Maitland by our ancestor George > Turner. The family were yeoman farmers prior to this. > > One other possibility was that his sister and brother in law were childless > and there was hope that the child would be remembered in the will of the > relatively well off relative. > > Regards > Glynis > >> Hi list, >> >> I have a g g uncle, Frederick Charles White Fitzpatrick ( b. 1820, >> Winchester, England) and i am trying to figure out the possible reasons >> for the inclusion of White as a middle name . I assumed it was a surname >> linked to the father or mother's family. >> >> Frederick's father was irish, his mother english. The 'Charles' is his >> paternal grandfathers name, and my thought is that the White may be >> connected to the mother's family. I do have Frederick's neice living as >> a governess in 1881 with a White family in Brighton, Sussex - this may >> be mere coincidence but... >> >> Neither the paternal grandmother ( maiden name Purcell), the maternal >> grandfather (surname Woolls) or grandmother ( maiden name Bryan), fits >> the bill. >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts on other possibilities? >> >> Cheers >> >> Sue >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sue An ancestor who came to Oz in 1839 later included in the name a son the name of his older brother in law. I have concluded that his brother in law had been a mentor after his father died when he was a teenager. The brother in law was a tanner in England and a similar business was established in Maitland by our ancestor George Turner. The family were yeoman farmers prior to this. One other possibility was that his sister and brother in law were childless and there was hope that the child would be remembered in the will of the relatively well off relative. Regards Glynis > Hi list, > > I have a g g uncle, Frederick Charles White Fitzpatrick ( b. 1820, > Winchester, England) and i am trying to figure out the possible reasons > for the inclusion of White as a middle name . I assumed it was a surname > linked to the father or mother's family. > > Frederick's father was irish, his mother english. The 'Charles' is his > paternal grandfathers name, and my thought is that the White may be > connected to the mother's family. I do have Frederick's neice living as > a governess in 1881 with a White family in Brighton, Sussex - this may > be mere coincidence but... > > Neither the paternal grandmother ( maiden name Purcell), the maternal > grandfather (surname Woolls) or grandmother ( maiden name Bryan), fits > the bill. > > Does anyone have any thoughts on other possibilities? > > Cheers > > Sue >

My husbands name is Laurie, the surname of his paternal grandmother, it has been used in the family here and in NZ as a girls and boys forename. Lyn

Hi Sue, You've given the paternal side of the family, but have you looked at the maternal names? The surname is the most obvious choice but you may need to go back further generations than just his mother if its a family name handed down (eg, I have Gervase as a Christian name on my tree that went back to the 1700s to find when the surname first came onto the tree). I also have names that relate to the names of vessels the family arrived on into Australia, towns and villages they lived and so on, so it may not be a surname at all but has some obscure meaning only known to them. Good luck, Trish Nowra NSW > I have a g g uncle, Frederick Charles White Fitzpatrick ( b. 1820, > Winchester, England) and i am trying to figure out the possible reasons > for the inclusion of White as a middle name . I assumed it was a surname > linked to the father or mother's family. > Sue

My fathers name was George Martin Wheatley Gwynne... His father was born in Australia, his mother came from UK The "Wheatley" was his maternal grandmother's maiden surname I thought it was a lovely tradition, tis a pity my own parents didn't carry it on Cheers Chris Pycroft (nee GWYNNE) Port Augusta SA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne England" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:24 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW] tradition - middle names > Hi list, > > I have a g g uncle, Frederick Charles White Fitzpatrick ( b. 1820, > Winchester, England) and i am trying to figure out the possible reasons > for the inclusion of White as a middle name . I assumed it was a surname > linked to the father or mother's family. > > Frederick's father was irish, his mother english. The 'Charles' is his > paternal grandfathers name, and my thought is that the White may be > connected to the mother's family. I do have Frederick's neice living as > a governess in 1881 with a White family in Brighton, Sussex - this may > be mere coincidence but... > > Neither the paternal grandmother ( maiden name Purcell), the maternal > grandfather (surname Woolls) or grandmother ( maiden name Bryan), fits > the bill. > > Does anyone have any thoughts on other possibilities? > > Cheers > > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5346 - Release Date: 10/21/12 >

Hi list, I have a g g uncle, Frederick Charles White Fitzpatrick ( b. 1820, Winchester, England) and i am trying to figure out the possible reasons for the inclusion of White as a middle name . I assumed it was a surname linked to the father or mother's family. Frederick's father was irish, his mother english. The 'Charles' is his paternal grandfathers name, and my thought is that the White may be connected to the mother's family. I do have Frederick's neice living as a governess in 1881 with a White family in Brighton, Sussex - this may be mere coincidence but... Neither the paternal grandmother ( maiden name Purcell), the maternal grandfather (surname Woolls) or grandmother ( maiden name Bryan), fits the bill. Does anyone have any thoughts on other possibilities? Cheers Sue

Hi Ian, Do you mean the BDM index? If so - http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births There are quite a few inscriptions and photos of headstones (mainly country areas) at Australian Cemetery Index - http://austcemindex.com/inscriptions.php and you may find death/funeral notices in the newspapers - http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home If you let the List know who you are looking for, there may be CDs etc that can be checked also. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > Some time ago I was able to go into bdm.nsw.gov.au and find out the date > of > death and where buried of relatives. > However, when I tried recently, a message came up to say it could not be > opened. Is there another site that will do the same task? > Ian McEachern > Western Australia

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian McEachern" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW] BDM's > Hello listers, > > Some time ago I was able to go into bdm.nsw.gov.au and find out > the date of > death and where buried of relatives. > > However, when I tried recently, a message came up to say it > could not be > opened. Is there another site that will do the same task? Hi Ian If theres a newspaper notice you might find this info but never have from the NSW BDM indexes All these have ever shown is the year and rego area name . Transcriptions are alot cheaper The Qld indexes give you the full date but no rego area name aside from c meaning country and B meaning Brisbane Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast

I just tried it Ian and it worked OK for me. Diana Crystal -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian McEachern Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2012 8:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-NSW] BDM's Hello listers, Some time ago I was able to go into bdm.nsw.gov.au and find out the date of death and where buried of relatives. However, when I tried recently, a message came up to say it could not be opened. Is there another site that will do the same task?