Hi John that's a lot of information but you didn't give the key information required for a lookup. 1. Title of publication You say the clipping is from the Herald and the thread is the Herald Sun. I'm guessing that you mean the Sydney Morning Herald and not the Melbourne Herald Sun - is that right? 2. What was the headline of the article? If you don't know the headline, do you know the section? 3. Was there a byline? 4. Was there a page? If you don't have 2, 3 or 4 please transcribed EXACTLY the first sentence of the article. There are 254 items between 1955 and 1960 in the SMH/Sun Herald with the words "Narrabeen Lagoon" in them - mostly Family Notices and Classified ads - I'm happy to do a lookup but I'm not prepared to trawl through that many. Regards On 17/02/2013, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I'd appreciate help on a similar matter as well. > > I have an old newspaper article from the "Herald". > > Not *all* that old actually, as it's from other sources on the same > thing I know the event happened in 1957 or 1958 or 1959. > > The bit of paper is actually younger than I am. > > It is about the clearance of an aboriginal camp at the western end of > Narrabeen Lagoon .. see Dictionary of Sydney's account of such, here: > <clip> John > > (in Strathfield) >

Anyone on the list who has access to Herald Sun, or going to the Library, who can do a lookup for me PLEASE? Regards, Jill

  Hello, I'd appreciate help on a similar matter as well. I have an old newspaper article from the "Herald". Not *all* that old actually, as it's from other sources on the same thing I know the event happened in 1957 or 1958 or 1959. The bit of paper is actually younger than I am. It is about the clearance of an aboriginal camp at the western end of Narrabeen Lagoon .. see Dictionary of Sydney's account of such, here: http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/aboriginal_settlement_narrabeen_lagoon [1] I can send an image (a bit blurry, but readable) of the Herald article to anyone who might be interested. It talks of 15 families, who at that time it would seem were refusing to move. Other accounts of the matter do exist elsewhere (albeit all pretty brief), one such being in the book:  "Landscapes of Clearance: Archaeological and Anthropological Perspectives",  edited by Angèle Angele Patricia Smith and Amy Gazin-Schwartz. On page 156 of that camp the clearance by the local Council is part of a sad-sounding account :- 'Smashed camps, broken toys, bulldozers at dawn ...   ".... smoke drifting up from one or two places in the sandy soil where the last campfires of millenia still lay smoudering ....' , which is referring to the 'cleared' area at the western end of Narrabeen Lagoon.   So runs the account in that particular book.   But is that true?   Did bulldozers really come at dawn?       Was this really a site that was millenia old, or a camp ground that relatively recent newcomers were occupying space at and the Council didn't want that situation to continue?   I certainly don't know .. not at present anyway.   But who has real story?   Who actually took people away - and where to?    One account says they were taken to the 'western suburbs'.   One writer describes that those Aboriginal people who lived in such camps or could not afford the rents, were rounded up by authorities and subsequently  "disappeared".   This writer states "Their camps—including the well-known one at Narrabeen Lakes—were demolished. The whereabouts of many of these people remained forever unknown to other members of their families, many of whom were too afraid to ask questions"  (i.e. viz.  http://epress.anu.edu.au/caepr_series/no_27/mobile_devices/ch09s02.html [2] ) Re getting the Herald article ... I'd like one good photocopy. But eventually I am also interested in getting illustrations of best possibly quality of newspaper articles - of a number of articles in newspapers -- in "post-Trove" years.   I want best quality images to use on webpages. Does anyone know what's that best quality reproduction service that the newspapers offer. And what's the cost per such A4 photograph. And also, can they now do and sell you a high quality digital scan of whatever you specify. Any information on details of such services would be much appreciated and you can sent to me off-list at [email protected] [3] if preferred. Best Regards,   John (in Strathfield) ----- Original Message ----- From:[email protected] To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:38:50 +1100 Subject:[AUS-NSW] Herald Sun lookup Anyone on the list who has access to Herald Sun, or going to the Library, who can do a lookup for me PLEASE? Regards, Jill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/aboriginal_settlement_narrabeen_lagoon [2] http://epress.anu.edu.au/caepr_series/no_27/mobile_devices/ch09s02.html [3] mailto:[email protected]

Hi Nivard I did have John's death record and info from Trove, but the info from the Sydney City Coroner register of Inquests is terrific as the family had stories re his death re the wound in his arm, but nothing verified. Thank you Joan Hi Joan Not sure it helps or hinders but there is the following (from Ancestry) Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about John Logan Name: John Logan Death Date: 1866 Death Place: New South Wales Registration Year: 1866 Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales Registration number: 1300 Source Information: Ancestry.com. Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Compiled from publicly available sources. ========== And also from Ancestry Sydney City Coroner register of inquests and inquiries October 1866 27th John LOGAN aged 36 years died on the 25th instant at Sydney from the effects of a wound in the right arm ????? by the deceased forcing his arm through a frame? (pane?) of glass whilst labouring under temporary excitement Dr? ?? Adolph WILKE Cr(blot) Star of Peace Hotel Kent St 1 mile Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Joan I notice that John was buried by Thomas Dixon Undertakers. Unfortunately these early records do not appear to have survived - I have the email of a relative who was collecting information on burials by Thomas Dixon with the goal of putting the information into a database. Perhaps she may be able to help you further. If you would like to contact me off list I will give you the details. Regards Jan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan Birtles Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2013 2:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-NSW] Burials 1866 in Sydney area Hello I am searching for the burial of a John LOGAN who died at Kent St Sydney 26 Oct 1866 as shown from his funeral notices in TROVE, however I cannot find his burial place as this was not shown. As Rookwood did not begin until 1867, where could John LOGAN be buried please? His wife and 2 sons are buried at Rookwood, but they died much later. Thank you Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Trish Many thanks for all those sites, have bookmarked them all now. Cheers Joan Hi Joan, It was too early for Waverley and Eastern Suburbs as well. Maybe Devonshire Street? http://users.tpg.com.au/shammell/old-bury.htm http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archive s-in-brief/archives-in-brief-69 http://www.esmp.net.au/cemetery/pioneer-memorial-park.aspx Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I am searching for the burial of a John LOGAN who died at Kent St Sydney > 26 > Oct 1866 as shown from his funeral notices in TROVE, however I cannot find > his burial place as this was not shown. > As Rookwood did not begin until 1867, where could John LOGAN be buried > please? His wife and 2 sons are buried at Rookwood, but they died much > later. > Joan

Hi Joan, It was too early for Waverley and Eastern Suburbs as well. Maybe Devonshire Street? http://users.tpg.com.au/shammell/old-bury.htm http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-69 http://www.esmp.net.au/cemetery/pioneer-memorial-park.aspx Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I am searching for the burial of a John LOGAN who died at Kent St Sydney > 26 > Oct 1866 as shown from his funeral notices in TROVE, however I cannot find > his burial place as this was not shown. > As Rookwood did not begin until 1867, where could John LOGAN be buried > please? His wife and 2 sons are buried at Rookwood, but they died much > later. > Joan

Hi Hazel, WA BMD online indexes - http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx Click onto the circle next to the category you want to begin the search. Births 1841-1932 Deaths 1841-1971 Marriages 1841-1936 Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > Good afternoon > Can anyone help me with the years covered for Birth, Death and Marriages > on the WA Registry Office. > Hazel in Blacktown NSW.

Hello I am searching for the burial of a John LOGAN who died at Kent St Sydney 26 Oct 1866 as shown from his funeral notices in TROVE, however I cannot find his burial place as this was not shown. As Rookwood did not begin until 1867, where could John LOGAN be buried please? His wife and 2 sons are buried at Rookwood, but they died much later. Thank you Joan

Good afternoon Can anyone help me with the years covered for Birth, Death and Marriages on the WA Registry Office. Thank you Hazel in Blacktown NSW.

Thankyou Jill and Nivard for your replies. Robyn -----Original Message----- From: Jill Glover Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Family History Change in Policy for Photocopies Hi Robyn, You wrote >>> Please excuse my ignorance but I can't quite grasp the criteria for requesting photocopies. Does this mean if we find a record of a baptism etc in a film or book we have requested at our local family history centre then we can order a copy? I am assuming it doesn't mean records found atfamilysearch.org.<<< Robyn, I sent off a request for a record I found on familysearch.org....hadn't heard anything until today, when I had a note to say: " We cannot process your request without a full name, address and telephone with EACH request you make. Please supply us that information. Also, please go to the internet at: familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services to access the procedure for submitting requests. Thank you." I've had a look at the very helpful pages from the wiki, and went to the catalogue, but none of the film numbers I put in had been digitised.....as yet!!! This is an interesting paragraph... " If you go to familysearch.org, click on "Catalog" and enter the film or book number, you can check to see if it is digitized. If so, you can print off your own copies. If the film or book has been digitized, we will not fill a request as you can do this on your own." Hope this helps, looks like it's going to get easier to obtain records.....and they are free. Cheers, Jill Brisbane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joan Not sure it helps or hinders but there is the following (from Ancestry) Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about John Logan Name: John Logan Death Date: 1866 Death Place: New South Wales Registration Year: 1866 Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales Registration number: 1300 Source Information: Ancestry.com. Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Compiled from publicly available sources. ========== And also from Ancestry Sydney City Coroner register of inquests and inquiries October 1866 27th John LOGAN aged 36 years died on the 25th instant at Sydney from the effects of a wound in the right arm ????? by the deceased forcing his arm through a frame? (pane?) of glass whilst labouring under temporary excitement Dr? ?? Adolph WILKE Cr(blot) Star of Peace Hotel Kent St 1 mile Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/02/2013 04:22, Joan Birtles wrote: > Hello > > > > I am searching for the burial of a John LOGAN who died at Kent St Sydney 26 > Oct 1866 as shown from his funeral notices in TROVE, however I cannot find > his burial place as this was not shown. > > > > As Rookwood did not begin until 1867, where could John LOGAN be buried > please? His wife and 2 sons are buried at Rookwood, but they died much > later. > > > > Thank you > > Joan

May I remind listers that this rootsweb list is subject to the service provider's "Community Guidelines". In particular, I draw listers attention to the following: "Don't include identifiable information about living people without their direct consent, or, in the case of minors, the consent of their parent or guardian. This includes (but is not limited to) a person's full name, location or contact information." If your reply to this post includes information about living persons then either: obtain their consent before publishing it here OR reply to the poster OFFLINE ie directly to their email address. The full policy can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/rootsweb/community_guidelines.html On 15/02/2013, Jason and Andrea Cox <[email protected]> wrote: > I am looking for information on Thomas Lower BROMHEAD and Betty Joan > SIMMONS. > I do not need any information prior to their marriage but really would like > to find their family members. > They married in 1942 in NSW and have found Betty died in 2005 at Tweeds > Head. Have not found Thomas' death. > Have checked Ancestry, Trove and Ryerson. > Any help finding any children they may have had is greatly appreciated. > Thanks > Andrea > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I am looking for information on Thomas Lower BROMHEAD and Betty Joan SIMMONS. I do not need any information prior to their marriage but really would like to find their family members. They married in 1942 in NSW and have found Betty died in 2005 at Tweeds Head. Have not found Thomas' death. Have checked Ancestry, Trove and Ryerson. Any help finding any children they may have had is greatly appreciated. Thanks Andrea

Booklets were issued to migrants leaving UK for Australia. Apart from clothing, there are costs of passage, food prices, wages for various occupations, flora and fauna, and what to expect on the journey and on arrival. Here is what it says about clothing: OUTFITS AND PASSAGE TO THE AUSTRALIAN COLONIES. "The usual length of the voyage to the Australian Colonies is about four months and to New Zealand a little longer; and as, at whatever season of the year it may be made, passengers have to encounter very hot and very cold weather; they should be prepared for both. The following is a list of the principal articles required; but it cannot be too strongly impressed, as a general rule, that the more abundant the stock of clothing each person can afford to take, the better for health and comfort during the passage": - Single Mans; Outfit to Australia 2 beaverteen jackets, 1 to be warmly lined. 2 duck frocks (to sleep in???????) 2 pairs trowsers, 1 of them warm. 1 waistcoat with sleeves, and 1 waistcoat without sleeves. 2 duck trowsers 1Scotch cap, or thresher's hat. 1 Brazil straw hat. 6 striped cotton shirts (I wonder why striped???) 1 pair boots. 1 pair shoes. 4 handkerchiefs, 4 worsted hose, 2 cotton hose, a pair braces, 3 towels, razor, shaving-box, and glass Single woman's Outfit to Australia 1 warm cloak with a cape, 2 bonnets, 1 small shawl. 1 stuff dress, 2 print dresses, 6 shifts, 2 flannel petticoats, 1 stuff petticoat, 1 pair stays. 4 pocket handkerchiefs, 2 net kerchiefs for the neck. 3 caps. 4 night caps, 4 sleeping jackets, 2 black worsted hose, 4 cotton hose, 2 pairs shoes, 6 towels. Each person would also require: 1 knife and fork, 1 tablespoon, 1 teaspoon, 1 deep tin plate, 1 pint tin drinking mug. 2 lbs of marine soap, 2 pots of blacking, 1 comb and hair brush, 1 pair of sheets. 2 shoe brushes, 1 pair of blankets ) A married couple require only one set 1 counterpane, 1 strong chest with lock ) of these articles Cost of above outfit for a Single Man, about £4.10.0 Cost of above outfit for a Single Woman about £5. 0. 0 Cost of above outfit for a Married Couple about £9. 0. 0 The cost of an Outfit for Children varies with their size. Generally speaking, three children under 7, or two between that age and 14, may be clothes for about £5, but a well grown Girl or Boy of 13 years of age, will cost nearly as much as an adult. The next paragraph gives suggestions for extra provisions which would make them more comfortable if they could take them.

This is from a requirement for Emigrants from Scotland in the 1850's, the list is pretty much a standard one from what I have seen. The Emigrants must bring their own clothing, which will be inspected at the port by an officer of the Commissioners; and they will not be allowed to embark unless they have sufficient stock for the voyage, not less, for each person, than:- FOR MALES ; Six pair stockings; two pair shoes; two complete suits of exterior clothing FOR FEMALES ; Six Shifts; Two Flannel Petticoats; Six Pair Stockings: Two Pair Shoes: Two Gowns. with sheets, towels and soap. But the larger the stock of clothing, the better for health and comfort during the voyage, which usually last about four months, and as the Emigrants have always to pass through very hot and very cold weather, they should be prepared for both; two or three serge shirts for men, and flannel for women and children, are strongly recommended.

Here is the 1835 Regulations which explain what the "bounty passenger had to do, what they were allowed to take, and if they were eligible for FREE passage (bounty) ............... If not eligible you had to PAY the equivalent charge EMIGRATION REGULATIONS 1835 The commissioners give a free package to the colony, including provisions and every expense of the voyage to Agriculture labourers, shepherds, bakers, blacksmiths braziers, add tin-men, smiths, shipwrights, boat-builders, wheelwrights, sawyers, cabinet-makers, coopers, carriers, farriers, millwrights, harness-makers, boot and shoe-makers, tailors, tanners, brick-makers, lime burners, and all persons engaged in the erection of buildings. Applicants to give satisfactory references to show they are honest, sober and of general good character. Wives have free passage. To single women, free passage if they accompany parents or relatives. To children of emigrants, free passage if under one year old or fully 15 years of age or older. Children between one year and fifteen years of age £3.0.0 (three pounds) is charged. Every male emigrant is allowed to take one half (1/2) of a ton OR twenty (20) cubic feet of luggage. An extra £2.1.0 (two pounds one shilling) is charged for every ton of extra weight. Emigrants are to provide own bedding. On arriving at the colony, they are met by an officer, who supplies their immediate wants, assists them to their destination and at all times gives them employment on government works at reduced wages if they cannot get work elsewhere Persons not eligible, if of good character, can accompany emigrants on payment of passage money. For an adult, about £20.0.0 (twenty Pounds) is charged. For children, the arrangement has to be made with the ship-owners, who charge about the rates as follows; under one year old-no charge; one to five years old-five £5.0.0 (five pounds), six years old £6.0.0 (six pounds) and so on up to £14.0.0 (fourteen pounds) for a person fourteen years of age. Persons in England purchasing land (In Australia) can nominate one labourer or emigrant for every £20(twenty pounds) spent. Below is a list of clothing that boys and girls over the age of twelve (12) years had to have before they were allowed to sail: BOYS: GIRLS: 6 shirts 2 shifts 6 pairs of stockings 2 flannelette petticoats 2 flannel shirts 6 pairs of stockings 2 pairs of new shoes or boots 2 pairs of string boots 2 complete suits 2 strong gowns (one of which must be warm) 4 towels 4 towels 2 Pounds (weight) of marine soap 2 Pounds (weight) of marine soap Adults had to bring a little extra clothing other than what was stated for Boys and Girls. A List of Immigrants who have been introduced into the Colony of New South Wales on Government Bounty by Messrs A. B. Smith & Co of Sydney in pursuance of the Authority granted to them in the Colonial Secretary's letter of the 20th April 1839 and who arrived in Port Jackson by the Ship "Champion" from Liverpool, on 5th October 1840 The Bounty payable by government shown on documents varied with person's status and age Adult Male: £18.0.0 Adult Female: £18.0.0 Juvenile 14 y. o. £10.0.0 child 1yr 3mo £5.4.6 12 y o male £10.0.0 12 y o female £10.4.6 child 1 yr 6mo £5.0.0

Hi Robyn, You wrote >>> Please excuse my ignorance but I can't quite grasp the criteria for requesting photocopies. Does this mean if we find a record of a baptism etc in a film or book we have requested at our local family history centre then we can order a copy? I am assuming it doesn't mean records found atfamilysearch.org.<<< Robyn, I sent off a request for a record I found on familysearch.org....hadn't heard anything until today, when I had a note to say: " We cannot process your request without a full name, address and telephone with EACH request you make. Please supply us that information. Also, please go to the internet at: familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services to access the procedure for submitting requests. Thank you." I've had a look at the very helpful pages from the wiki, and went to the catalogue, but none of the film numbers I put in had been digitised.....as yet!!! This is an interesting paragraph... " If you go to familysearch.org, click on "Catalog" and enter the film or book number, you can check to see if it is digitized. If so, you can print off your own copies. If the film or book has been digitized, we will not fill a request as you can do this on your own." Hope this helps, looks like it's going to get easier to obtain records.....and they are free. Cheers, Jill Brisbane

Please excuse my ignorance but I can't quite grasp the criteria for requesting photocopies. Does this mean if we find a record of a baptism etc in a film or book we have requested at our local family history centre then we can order a copy? I am assuming it doesn't mean records found at familysearch.org. Robyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] Family History Change in Policy for Photocopies I've sent away for 1 copy, will be interesting to see what transpires....I have dozens on my wish list... Jill On Tue, Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Joan Birtles <[email protected]> wrote: > I've also sent away for some copies, but I'm sure they will be inundated > with requests, so may take a while! > > Fantastic news though. > > Cheers > Joan > > Hi Jill > > As soon as I found out about this very welcome change for obtaining > copies, I shot off a request for one item, a Baptism, so far I have > heard nothing back so am unsure if my request is in the pipeline or not > > I will report back if I hear anything > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robyn If its been filmed you can order a copy I would only order if its from an extraction program (ie of the right type of batch number, generally starting C, P, M or I but there are others) So when you find an event on familysearch such as a baptism you make note of the details and order a copy You have always been able to order photo-stat copies for a small charge but that has now been superceded by this new system of supplying by email I have used the old system with great success I had a reply to my first request last night and they were unable to supply as I had not put my full address with the order in my email I expect there will be a back log at first Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/02/2013 03:22, irook wrote: > Please excuse my ignorance but I can't quite grasp the criteria for > requesting photocopies. Does this mean if we find a record of a baptism etc > in a film or book we have requested at our local family history centre then > we can order a copy? I am assuming it doesn't mean records found at > familysearch.org. > > Robyn