I tried to post this message on the aus nsw se mailing list, twice but it has not been posted. I sent an email to the Admin, no answer, I tried the Braidwood Cemetery lookup service once again no answer. So I am trying this list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Genie To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: mazzagora I am looking for any information about the Mazzagora/Mazagora/Massagora/Masagora family please? the parents were William Mazzagora and Harriett Evans. They had two sons both died at Braidwood William died 1871 and John died 1904. Their father William died 1889 in Sydney and Harriett died 1845 also Sydney. I have checked the BDM indexes and also Trove. There doesn't seem to be any marriages for the two sons, not under any of these spellings. When they died someone knew who their parents were as both parents are shown on the index. I am just hoping that someone may have a little bit of information. I wouldn't like anyone to waste their time on the BDM index or Trove as I said I have been through them also Rootsweb. Thank you for your time Genie

The son of William MAZZAGORA/MASSAGORA and Harriet Evans, William married a Bridget Farrell on the BDM New South Wales in 1852. There is also a public tree on www.ancestry.com.au and also on www.mytrees.com There also a mention of a WilliamMassagora on the Sand's Directory, 1868 being a shoemaker. Jenelle.

There's also a mention of William Massagora and Harriet Evans in the People in the Life and Times of Lachlan and Elizabeth Macquarie. I just googled William Massagora, you'll see a cached version of this. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Genie Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 7:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-NSW] mazzagora I tried to post this message on the aus nsw se mailing list, twice but it has not been posted. I sent an email to the Admin, no answer, I tried the Braidwood Cemetery lookup service once again no answer. So I am trying this list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Genie To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: mazzagora I am looking for any information about the Mazzagora/Mazagora/Massagora/Masagora family please? the parents were William Mazzagora and Harriett Evans. They had two sons both died at Braidwood William died 1871 and John died 1904. Their father William died 1889 in Sydney and Harriett died 1845 also Sydney. I have checked the BDM indexes and also Trove. There doesn't seem to be any marriages for the two sons, not under any of these spellings. When they died someone knew who their parents were as both parents are shown on the index. I am just hoping that someone may have a little bit of information. I wouldn't like anyone to waste their time on the BDM index or Trove as I said I have been through them also Rootsweb. Thank you for your time Genie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found the marriage of William MASSAGORA to Harriet EVANS on the BDM New South Wales V1831587 127/1831, also references to a John MAZZAGORA 1849, Port Phillip Directory 1847. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Genie Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 7:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-NSW] mazzagora I tried to post this message on the aus nsw se mailing list, twice but it has not been posted. I sent an email to the Admin, no answer, I tried the Braidwood Cemetery lookup service once again no answer. So I am trying this list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Genie To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: mazzagora I am looking for any information about the Mazzagora/Mazagora/Massagora/Masagora family please? the parents were William Mazzagora and Harriett Evans. They had two sons both died at Braidwood William died 1871 and John died 1904. Their father William died 1889 in Sydney and Harriett died 1845 also Sydney. I have checked the BDM indexes and also Trove. There doesn't seem to be any marriages for the two sons, not under any of these spellings. When they died someone knew who their parents were as both parents are shown on the index. I am just hoping that someone may have a little bit of information. I wouldn't like anyone to waste their time on the BDM index or Trove as I said I have been through them also Rootsweb. Thank you for your time Genie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

my interpretation of the original post of genie about Massagora  is that she had already searched trove and bdm  and  has that information  and is only looking for a marriage or family of the two sons of William Mazzagora and Harriott Evans ,  who are William  Henry Marzagora died 1 march 1872 age 38 Braidwood and John Edward Marzagora died 1904 Colombo,Braidwood  nsw age 73  these two she has asked for help from the list..  the different spellings of the surname is a little tricky,   seems that the correct spelling maybe Marzagora.. I have looked for these two and and at the moment have found nothing , only their deaths  maybe they did not marry  John was a miner 1903 Elect roll living Colombo Braidwood and old pensioner at death 1904  regards Lorette  ________________________________ From: Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] MAZZAGORA As for saying not finding anything on the BDM NSW or trove..someone didn't look... Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jenelle McCarrick Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 10:41 AM To: 'Lorette'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] MAZZAGORA I thought that, but just thought I'd mention it....William's mother was a convict, as was Harriott's parents...There are burials on line for Braidwood, so one is in there...There's some entries on the Sydney Morning Herald as well... There's a few trees on ancestry, but they would need checking.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorette Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 10:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW] MAZZAGORA I also found this but upon checking it out ,found that Bridget Farrell was the 2nd wife of William Snr his first wife Harriott died  December 1845  Lorette  ________________________________ From: Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 9:40 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW] MAZZAGORA The son of William MAZZAGORA/MASSAGORA and Harriet Evans, William married a Bridget Farrell on the BDM New South Wales in 1852. There is also a public tree on www.ancestry.com.au and also on www.mytrees.com There also a mention of a WilliamMassagora on the Sand's Directory, 1868 being a shoemaker. Jenelle. -----

Hi Trish, Thank you for those links and info re Tamerang (sic) as on James' birth cert.....I'll have a good look at the sites later tonight. It seems that either the family didn't stay long, or didn't do anything of note, because they are well hidden in records/newspapers. Tomerong certainly is a very old settlement. Thank you for sending that record re Victorian arrival , not sure that it could be our William, because he married in Nov 1856 in Sydney, and the ship arrived Vic Sept 1856. I've had a hunt around for a passenger list online, none to view that I can find, but the Newcastle Historical Society has one , so I might try there for a copy of the passenger list of the "British Trident". Or I could try the Vic record site also I guess. Snip<<The only other arrival I could find that would fit, is at the Victorian Archives - Wm BARNES, aged 19, arrived aboard "British Trident" in September 1856 (ref 111 001); no other family members with him, maybe they followed later when he was settled?>> Thank you for your help, I'll have a look around Kiama also, there is a marriage for a William Barnes there in 1888, could be the eldest son of our William, b 1859, Chippendale.  ,-._|\     best wishes, / Oz  \   jill  \_,--.x/     [email protected]; > I'm having trouble finding the arrival into Australia , and the death of, > William BARNES, b. 1836, Birmingham, England. His parents were James and > Ann > (nee Keele or Neele.) > William married Mary EVETTS, 27th Nov 1856 in Sydney, and he is on the UK > 1851 census, so his journey here was between mid 1851 and Nov 1856. On the > 1851 census he is listed as a scholar, and on his marriage cert. a > brick-layer. > Jill > Brisbane

I also found this but upon checking it out ,found that Bridget Farrell was the 2nd wife of William Snr his first wife Harriott died  December 1845  Lorette  ________________________________ From: Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 9:40 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW] MAZZAGORA The son of William MAZZAGORA/MASSAGORA and Harriet Evans, William married a Bridget Farrell on the BDM New South Wales in 1852. There is also a public tree on www.ancestry.com.au and also on www.mytrees.com There also a mention of a WilliamMassagora on the Sand's Directory, 1868 being a shoemaker. Jenelle.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Glover" <[email protected]> To: "AUS-NSW List " <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:40 AM Subject: [AUS-NSW] William and Mary BARNES....Shoalhaven area, 1864 > Hi Jill > I'm having trouble finding the arrival into Australia , and the > death of, > William BARNES, b. 1836, Birmingham, England. His parents were > James and Ann > (nee Keele or Neele.) > William married Mary EVETTS, 27th Nov 1856 in Sydney, and he > is on the UK > 1851 census, so his journey here was between mid 1851 and Nov > 1856. On the > 1851 census he is listed as a scholar, and on his marriage > cert. a > brick-layer. That seems to be quite leap ? Dont usually get to be a bricklayer over night ! > > William and Mary had 5 children, 4 born Chippendale, and the > last one, James > BARNES b 1864, Tamerang, Shoalhaven. James is the ancestor of > my in-law. He > married Elizabeth Bayley, and I believe that family is well > researched. > No one seems to know about the life of William BARNES and Mary > Evetts. Does > anyone have any ideas as to why he might have gone to > Shoalhaven/Tamerang in > 1864.....I wonder if he lived his life there? At that time he > was a > brick-layer. > > I am helping an in-law with his research, and he isn't able to > give me any > more details, William is his g/g.father, and he would like to > know where he > is buried, and also his wife Mary. They dont seem to have left much of a footprint . James BARNES who married Eliz BAYLEY is indexed as John J and married in Sydney No apparent birth record for him. The James BARNES b Shoalhaven in 1864 appears to have died same year??? I wonder whether this family actually went down there ? BARNES is a fairly common surname. Quite possilbe to have another Wm & Mary The BARNES- EVETTS marriage happened soon after civil registration started . Does that help with a clue or 3 ? Might have parents names ? Might pay to get a transcript of say Jane BARNES birth cert in 1862 . Looks like Mary EVETTS came here aged 7 with her parents and siblings on the 'Tory' Is some EVETTS family info in an Ancestrys public tree Bye MargM Sydney List Admin > I'd appreciate help with suggestions as to what cemeteries to > search in the > Shoalhaven area please? I have no idea as to when William died, > but it was > after 1864. > I've looked at Ancestry, FMP, and other online shipping lists > without any > success....also their cemetery lists, and familysearch. > There is a William BARNES arriving on the "Meridian" in 1852, > he's not > ours... > > Thanks for any ideas and help with finding out more about > William BARNES. > > Cheers, > Jill > Brisbane > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jill, Firstly, the township is Tomerong (not Tamerang), about 20km south of Nowra, first settled 1855 - it seems likely a bricklayer may have been in high demand. Tomerong means "tall timbers", and it is still a State Forest. The Tomerong Cemetery was gazetted in 1891 so from 1862 burials took place on the private land of the Parnell property; as far as I can see, there is nothing for BARNES in the Shoalhaven area, so they may not have stayed. There are a few contacts listed in Tomerong who may be able to give you more information on the family - Tomerong: Local History - 1855 was first land sales http://home.exetel.com.au/tomerong/history2/ History and book "From Bullocks to Bypass" http://www.tomerong.com/ http://aplaceof.info/tomerong/fair/070922history.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomerong,_New_South_Wales The only other arrival I could find that would fit, is at the Victorian Archives - Wm BARNES, aged 19, arrived aboard "British Trident" in September 1856 (ref 111 001); no other family members with him, maybe they followed later when he was settled? Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I'm having trouble finding the arrival into Australia , and the death of, > William BARNES, b. 1836, Birmingham, England. His parents were James and > Ann > (nee Keele or Neele.) > William married Mary EVETTS, 27th Nov 1856 in Sydney, and he is on the UK > 1851 census, so his journey here was between mid 1851 and Nov 1856. On the > 1851 census he is listed as a scholar, and on his marriage cert. a > brick-layer. > Jill > Brisbane

Hi List, I'm having trouble finding the arrival into Australia , and the death of, William BARNES, b. 1836, Birmingham, England. His parents were James and Ann (nee Keele or Neele.) William married Mary EVETTS, 27th Nov 1856 in Sydney, and he is on the UK 1851 census, so his journey here was between mid 1851 and Nov 1856. On the 1851 census he is listed as a scholar, and on his marriage cert. a brick-layer. I haven't been able to find his family on a later UK census, so perhaps they all came to Australia together? I have no records to say that William's family members did come here. They were James Barnes 39..father Ann Barnes 39...mother William Barnes 15....scholar James Barnes 9 Ann Barnes 7 Alfred Barnes 5 Susanna Barnes 2 William and Mary had 5 children, 4 born Chippendale, and the last one, James BARNES b 1864, Tamerang, Shoalhaven. James is the ancestor of my in-law. He married Elizabeth Bayley, and I believe that family is well researched. No one seems to know about the life of William BARNES and Mary Evetts. Does anyone have any ideas as to why he might have gone to Shoalhaven/Tamerang in 1864.....I wonder if he lived his life there? At that time he was a brick-layer. I am helping an in-law with his research, and he isn't able to give me any more details, William is his g/g.father, and he would like to know where he is buried, and also his wife Mary. I'd appreciate help with suggestions as to what cemeteries to search in the Shoalhaven area please? I have no idea as to when William died, but it was after 1864. I've looked at Ancestry, FMP, and other online shipping lists without any success....also their cemetery lists, and familysearch. There is a William BARNES arriving on the "Meridian" in 1852, he's not ours... Thanks for any ideas and help with finding out more about William BARNES. Cheers, Jill Brisbane

Dear Listers, Would like to contact Joan Tate in regard to the above family please. Cheers Ann Daniel

Hi Nivard Thank you for the info of having 25 to the page. Josephine Bris As has been said its £7 gbp for 30 credits In general its 1 credit to look at the results of a search, then 5 credits to see an image (census or BMD) Try to aim to get 25 hits per page by altering the parameters in the search applied (as you get 25 per page and you are paying the same regardless of whether its 1 or 25 you may as well get your moneys worth) For census its best to check Ancestry or Findmypast and get to the right transcript then you should get the right image Births, marriages & Death registration (from 1855) are very informative, earlier baptisms, marriages and burials are not Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) the body of the message

Hi Alma Thank you that not to bad Josephine Bris At the moment it would be about 35cents. It costs 7 pounds for 30 credits. Regards Alma -- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Josephine, At the moment it would be about 35cents. It costs 7 pounds for 30 credits. Regards Alma -----Original Message----- From: Jo Conray Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-NSW] Scotlands People Hi to all Would any one know how much money is 1 credit on Scotland peoples when you want to look at a record. I want to know what it would cost in Australian dollars. Cheers Josephine Qld ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi to all Would any one know how much money is 1 credit on Scotland peoples when you want to look at a record. I want to know what it would cost in Australian dollars. Cheers Josephine Qld

Hi all Wondered if this podcast may be of interest <http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/reckless-rash-and-repentant-convicts-petitions-for-mercy-1819-1858/> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Jackie Many thanks for the information, will now try and join the dots with my ancestor Alexander Charles who came to Australia in 1854. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree but I'll give it a go. Kind regards Dianna

Hi Josephine As has been said its £7 gbp for 30 credits In general its 1 credit to look at the results of a search, then 5 credits to see an image (census or BMD) Try to aim to get 25 hits per page by altering the parameters in the search applied (as you get 25 per page and you are paying the same regardless of whether its 1 or 25 you may as well get your moneys worth) For census its best to check Ancestry or Findmypast and get to the right transcript then you should get the right image Births, marriages & Death registration (from 1855) are very informative, earlier baptisms, marriages and burials are not Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/03/2013 07:06, Jo Conray wrote: > Hi to all > > Would any one know how much money is 1 credit on Scotland peoples when you > want to look at a record. I want to know what it would cost in Australian > dollars. > > Cheers > Josephine > Qld

HI Jo Thanks so much for this information, I will try somehow to connect up Emma Charles with my Alexander Charles who arrived in Victoria in 1854. Perhaps they are cousins. I'll have to find out where Sodwalls is too, never heard of that before. I tried finding a birth on the BDM for Thomas Charles and could not find it, which is nothing out of the ordinary really. Kind regards Dianna

Hi Dianna There are family trees on Ancestry this info is the best if it is yours. Emma Bridget Charles 14 Feb 1881 at Hartley, NSW and died 1955 Petersham NSW, she married George William Thompson he was born 11 Feb 1880 Burslem, Staffordshire, Eng & died 1958 Marrickville NSW Emma parents are Thomas Charles b 27 Apr 1844 Sodwalls , NSW and d 18 July 1919 at Lithgow, NSW Ellen Whalan b 4 Oct 1846 Crown Swamp.NSW her Parents Patrick Whalan & Julia Fox Thomas & Ellen Children are:-== Mary Ann 1868, Thomas 1871, Clara 1873, Eleanor 1876, Patrick Joseph 1879, Emma Bridget 1881, Julia May 1883, Beatrice 1885. Hope this helps Josephine Qld ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message