At 08:19 PM 12/10/00 +1000, Neil Williams wrote: It is the death certificate of my ggrandfather's defacto. It is one of the post 1890 certificates and in point 10 on the certificate under "Names and religion of minister, and/or names of two witnesses of burial or cremation" there are two names. one of the names listed on this woman's (remember she was the defacto not the wife) death certificate is the same name as his wife's first husband >Where do these people come from usually? Are they staff of the funeral directors? Are they council employees who work at the cemetery? Or are they persons who are known to the deceased? >Neil Williams Hi Neil, My guess is that one of the names was that of the minister (but that would be indicated) & the other of the wife's first husband who may have been the chief pallbearer. In many instances, couples remain friends after marriage break-up. At least you know he was still alive at that date & was living reasonably close to his ex-wife & her de-facto, so you should be able to pick him up in the electoral rolls & see if any other males in his household were over 21 years. Good luck, Denyse Bonney