Elizabeth When I was trying to find the passenger list of the John Barry which brought the first detachment to Sydney in 1826 I did find an the article The Royal Veterans in Australia by R. H. Montague, Journal of the Royal Australian Historical Society, December 1982, Vol. 68 Pt 3, p 240. I did correspond with Ron at the time - I think he lived near Maitland, NSW. He was going to write a book on the Royal NSW Veteran Companies in the 1990's but I am not sure if he has or has not done so. But your library should be able to do a search under his name to see what else he may have published. From memory, when the members "retired" they were given an grant of land from 40-100 acres. I think he said they were in clusters so that people of various skills could help each other. However that was not the case in my ancestor who got 100 acres in Turramurra what is now the railway station and down Kissing Point road. In the material I wrote in the early 1990's there was some material on the conditions. 22. LAND GRANTS From Royal Veterans, by R H Montague, Journal of the Australian Historical Society, December 1982, p 242, it provided the following outline of the land grants:- "The conditions that were laid down for issuing land grants to Royal Veterans were broadly the same as those applied to the First Fleet Marines some forty years earlier. The new conditions were set out in a Memorandum signed by Ralph Darling on 13 January 1829, and worded as follows: It being intended to discharge part of the men of the Royal Veteran Companies, the following indulgences will be granted to such as are desirous of settling on farms in the country:- (1) Each man will be allowed from 40 to 100 acres of land according to the quality of the soil and the situation in which he may be required to settle on his entering into a bond that he will reside on and cultivate his land for a period of seven years on pain of forfeiture. (2)He will be furnished with all the necessary implements of husbandry. (3) If married he will receive a cow from the Government herd on taking possession of the land and a second cow at any time within three years when he shall have cleared and stumped ten acres. (4) Each man will be allowed the usual rations (spirits excepted) for himself and his family for 12 months from the day of his discharge to be issued at or in the neighbourhood of his farm. The ration to be forfeited if he or his family absent himself or themselves from the farm. (5) A log hut will be put up for the accommodation of such men as are married. (6) It is intended that these men shall be located in different parts of the Colony in small bodies of about six in number as soon as eligible situations have been determined on, and it is desirable that the individuals be of different trades, as being more likely to prove generally useful to the Colony, and afford them an opportunity of providing comfortably for themselves and families. Signed (R. D.)" This article, p 243, said that plots of land were measured out at Oakhampton, near Maitland, Wollombi near Cessnock, Goulburn Plains, along the banks of the Wollondilly River and some small plots of land at Newcastle. I think other sites will be added to this list. Certainly Thomas Boyd was granted land at Turramurra - 100 acres in section/portion 410 in the Parish of Gordon, County of Cumberland. Ron Montague advised in a letter of 18 May 1994 that the other small landholders around Thomas' farm were not members of Royal New South Wales Veteran's Company. Given the policy of the time of settling Veterans in groups, why did Thomas settle in an area where there appear to be no other veterans. My late father said that Turramurra was an Irish settlement and as Thomas came from southern Ireland (born Co. Kerry and married Co. Cork) did he want to settle with other Irish people? Another reason might have been that for all but 3 months of his service with the RNSWVC I understand he was stationed at "Lane Cove" (which took in much of the North Shore Area) and his family became friendly with the other Irish families then living in the Turramurra area. Thomas' eldest daughter married a close neighbour in 1834, some 2 years after he was granted this land. However this friendship could have developed after they arrived on this land. Mrs J Shepherd in a letter of 6 June 1989 said Mr Lyn Shepherd was discharged on 24 August 1829 and was given a grant of land of 80 acres at Bong Bong on the Wingercarribee River. (Is this the Bong Bong near Bowral?) From Gwenda Webb's letter of 3 June 1994, grants were given to members of the RNSWVC in Tasmania but at this time I do not have any details. From Karen Gelley's letter of 16 July 1994, she supplied me with a map of land grants on the River Tamer (near Sprin? Bay - other references I could not read) give to her by Ron Montague. All grants appear to be 100 acres and it only lists the following eight people:- No 1 W Holliday No 2 P Cunningham No 3 J Rowley No 4 J Kelly No 5 J Boskell No 6 J Story No 7 J Kerrigan No 8 J Allen All except John Story are in Table 6 as having arrived on the John Barry in August 1826. However none are listed in Table 5 at the time of the final discharge in 1830. From notes on the map it might appear they were given these grants in February 1829. However we may have to wait until Ron Montague's book is published to obtain more details. Does the above advice by Governor Darling mean that the third Royal New South Wales Veteran Company members were not promised land on enlistment? If this was so, it could mean that many of those who did join most likely came to Australia for employment reasons rather than with the hope of getting rich from a grant of land after a period of service in Australia." Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Roberts <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: 1830s settlement of Vetrans > Is there an expert out there on the settlement by Govenor Darling of Vetrans > as small farmers. Has anything been written on the theory of the settlement, > does anyone know of references to the documents relating to this settlement. > The pattens of settlement etc. Not details of indivudial settlers. > Elizabeth Roberts > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Replies to queries on AUS-MILITARY should generally be sent to the list as well as the sender > Please use the "reply to all" function of your mail program >

Copied from http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/before%20-waterl oo.htm King's term did contain two noteworthy events. In 1802 during a lull in the wars against the French, the British Government decided upon drastic retrenchments of the military forces. King was instructed to induce as many men as possible to accept discharge from the Corps and settle on the land as an alternative to being sent back to England. The offer was for a grant of 130 acres to N.C.O.'s if single, 150 acres if married; eighty acres to each private if single and 100 acres if married; every married grantee to receive an additional ten acres for each child. These grants were free of taxation, quit rents and other dues for ten years, and thereafter liable to a nominal rent of I/- to 2/- per fifty acres. In addition the grantees were to be fed and clothed for a year, to receive tools and seed from the public stores for the same period and to be allowed the service of such convicts as the Governor thought fit. It is not disclosed how many availed themselves of this, the first soldier settlement proposal in Australia, but many undoubtedly did with varying fortunes. The weakness of the scheme lay in the fact that no consideration was given to varying quality of land. There was wide scope for patronage and favouritism in the selection of land and the allocation of convict labour. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Re: 1830s settlement of Vetrans > Elizabeth > When I was trying to find the passenger list of the John Barry which brought > the first detachment to Sydney in 1826 I did find an the article The Royal > Veterans in Australia by R. H. Montague, Journal of the Royal Australian > Historical Society, December 1982, Vol. 68 Pt 3, p 240. > > I did correspond with Ron at the time - I think he lived near Maitland, NSW. > He was going to write a book on the Royal NSW Veteran Companies in the > 1990's but I am not sure if he has or has not done so. But your library > should be able to do a search under his name to see what else he may have > published. > > From memory, when the members "retired" they were given an grant of land > from 40-100 acres. I think he said they were in clusters so that people of > various skills could help each other. However that was not the case in my > ancestor who got 100 acres in Turramurra what is now the railway station and > down Kissing Point road. > > In the material I wrote in the early 1990's there was some material on the > conditions. > > 22. LAND GRANTS > > From Royal Veterans, by R H Montague, Journal of the Australian Historical > Society, December 1982, p > 242, it provided the following outline of the land grants:- > > "The conditions that were laid down for issuing land grants to Royal > Veterans were broadly the same > as those applied to the First Fleet Marines some forty years earlier. The > new conditions were set out > in a Memorandum signed by Ralph Darling on 13 January 1829, and worded as > follows: > > It being intended to discharge part of the men of the Royal Veteran > Companies, the following > indulgences will be granted to such as are desirous of settling on farms in > the country:- > (1) Each man will be allowed from 40 to 100 acres of land according to the > quality of the soil > and the situation in which he may be required to settle on his entering into > a bond that he will > reside on and cultivate his land for a period of seven years on pain of > forfeiture. > (2)He will be furnished with all the necessary implements of husbandry. > (3) If married he will receive a cow from the Government herd on taking > possession of the land > and a second cow at any time within three years when he shall have cleared > and stumped ten > acres. > (4) Each man will be allowed the usual rations (spirits excepted) for > himself and his family for > 12 months from the day of his discharge to be issued at or in the > neighbourhood of his farm. The > ration to be forfeited if he or his family absent himself or themselves from > the farm. > (5) A log hut will be put up for the accommodation of such men as are > married. > (6) It is intended that these men shall be located in different parts of the > Colony in small bodies > of about six in number as soon as eligible situations have been determined > on, and it is desirable > that the individuals be of different trades, as being more likely to prove > generally useful to the > Colony, and afford them an opportunity of providing comfortably for > themselves and families. > > Signed (R. D.)" > > This article, p 243, said that plots of land were measured out at > Oakhampton, near Maitland, Wollombi near Cessnock, Goulburn Plains, along > the banks of the Wollondilly River and some small plots of land at > Newcastle. I think other sites will be added to this list. > > Certainly Thomas Boyd was granted land at Turramurra - 100 acres in > section/portion 410 in the Parish of Gordon, County of Cumberland. Ron > Montague advised in a letter of 18 May 1994 that the other small landholders > around Thomas' farm were not members of Royal New South Wales Veteran's > Company. Given the policy of the time of settling Veterans in groups, why > did Thomas settle in an area where there appear to be no other veterans. My > late father said that Turramurra was an Irish settlement and as Thomas came > from southern Ireland (born Co. Kerry and married Co. Cork) did he want to > settle with other Irish people? Another reason might have been that for all > but 3 months of his service with the RNSWVC I understand he was stationed at > "Lane Cove" (which took in much of the North Shore Area) and his family > became friendly with the other Irish families then living in the Turramurra > area. Thomas' eldest daughter married a close neighbour in 1834, some 2 > years after he was granted this land. However this friendship could have > developed after they arrived on this land. > > Mrs J Shepherd in a letter of 6 June 1989 said Mr Lyn Shepherd was > discharged on 24 August 1829 and was given a grant of land of 80 acres at > Bong Bong on the Wingercarribee River. (Is this the Bong Bong near Bowral?) > > From Gwenda Webb's letter of 3 June 1994, grants were given to members of > the RNSWVC in Tasmania but at this time I do not have any details. > > From Karen Gelley's letter of 16 July 1994, she supplied me with a map of > land grants on the River Tamer (near Sprin? Bay - other references I could > not read) give to her by Ron Montague. All grants appear to be 100 acres > and it only lists the following eight people:- > > No 1 W Holliday > No 2 P Cunningham > No 3 J Rowley > No 4 J Kelly > No 5 J Boskell > No 6 J Story > No 7 J Kerrigan > No 8 J Allen > > All except John Story are in Table 6 as having arrived on the John Barry in > August 1826. However none are listed in Table 5 at the time of the final > discharge in 1830. From notes on the map it might appear they were given > these grants in February 1829. However we may have to wait until Ron > Montague's book is published to obtain more details. > > Does the above advice by Governor Darling mean that the third Royal New > South Wales Veteran Company members were not promised land on enlistment? > If this was so, it could mean that many of those who did join most likely > came to Australia for employment reasons rather than with the hope of > getting rich from a grant of land after a period of service in Australia." > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elizabeth Roberts <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: 1830s settlement of Vetrans > > > > Is there an expert out there on the settlement by Govenor Darling of > Vetrans > > as small farmers. Has anything been written on the theory of the > settlement, > > does anyone know of references to the documents relating to this > settlement. > > The pattens of settlement etc. Not details of indivudial settlers. > > Elizabeth Roberts > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > Replies to queries on AUS-MILITARY should generally be sent to the list as > well as the sender > > Please use the "reply to all" function of your mail program > > >