Below, is a reply received from the Australian War Memorial re above Subject:.. Would any Mailing List reader happen to possess or have access to any of the listed works by Peter Chasseaud and be prepared to do a little research into the Map ref.. Eldon Bryant............... ----- Original Message ----- From: "info ISS Information" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2003 14:59 Subject: Re: Fw: " WWI Map ref. " > Dear Mr Bryant, > > Thank you for your email regarding the map references to the bodies > found in France. > > I have checked with my maps curator and the maps that are referred to > in your email do not have any latitude and longitude references on them, > just gridlines. Neither of use can translate these references into > longitude and latitude. I have been unable to find someone in the > Memorial who can help me. The only thing I can suggest is to check Peter > Chasseaud's works, which may have some information that can help you. > The details of some of his work are below. > > > 1/Detail > Author: Chasseaud, Peter.; > Title: Topography of Armageddon : a British trench map atlas of the > western front, 1914-1918 / by Peter Chasseaud ; [preface by Alan > Sillitoe]. > Date: 1991. > Subject: World War, 1914-1918 - Campaigns - Western Front - > Maps.;World War, 1914-1918 - Trench warfare - Maps.;Military topography > - Europe - Maps.;World War, 1914-1918 - Cartography - History.; > Doc Type: Monograph > > 2/Detail > Author: Chasseaud, Peter.; > Title: Trench maps : a collector's guide. Vol.1 / by Peter Chasseaud. > > Date: c1986. > Subject: World War, 1914-1918 - Battlefields - France - Maps.; > Doc Type: Monograph > > 3/Detail > Author: Chasseaud, Peter.; > Title: Artillery's astrologers : a history of British survey & > mapping on the Western Front 1914-1918 / by Peter Chasseaud. > Date: 1999. > Subject: World War, 1914-1918 - Cartography - History.;World War, > 1914-1918 - Campaigns - Western Front - Maps.;World War, 1914-1918 - > Battlefields - Maps.;World War, 1914-1918 - Trench warfare - Maps.; > Doc Type: Monograph > > I found quite a good website on maps of battle areas, but it may not go > into the detail you require - > http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/dhistorymaps/Atlas%20Page.htm . The > King's College Lidell Hart Centre for Military Archives holds a number > of maps from the First World War, including one of Hazebrouck - > http://www.kcl.ac.uk/lhcma/cats/mapsmisc66/xb80-01-.htm > > Good luck with your search. > > Yours Sincerely > Emma Jones > > > ****************************************************************** > > Information Services > Research Centre > Australian War Memorial > GPO Box 345 > CANBERRA ACT 2601 > > Phone: +61 2 6243 4315 > Fax: +61 2 6243 4545 > > Website: http//:www.awm.gov.au > > **************************************************************** > > >>> "Eldon R J (Don) Bryant" <[email protected]> 04/21/03 > 07:18pm >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eldon R.J. (Don) Bryant" <[email protected]> > To: "AUSTRALIAN MILITARY Mailing List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 21 April 2003 16:35 > Subject: " W.W.I Map ref. " > > > > Belated Easter Greetings to list readers from Townsville, Oz. > > > > I am currently completing the transcription of six (6) personal > W.W.I > > diaries kept by a Lieutenant Lyell Keith SWANN MM, some details > > as follows; > > > > "" Some time back I inherited his diaries which consist of daily > hand > > written entries, newspaper cuttings and photographs spanning the > years > > March 1916 to November 1918. The entries relate up until the > previous > > day ( 13/11/1918 ) of his flying death whilst taking off with a > flight > > patrol at 11 a.m. on 14 November 1918 when he was seen to spin at > > about 300 feet. > > > > He crashed to the ground and was taken to 63rd C.C.S. where he died > at 10 > > p.m. the same night, fractured Bone and internal injuries. > > > > Aerodrome. Grande Ennehierres: near LILLE. > > > > Buried at "ASCQ" Cemetery by Hospital Chaplain. > > > > Map reference TOURNAI.5. > > > > ( Some of above details were extracted from a copy of ' STATEMENT > D.16. > > signed by W.J. COOPER. Capt. for O.C. 4th A.F.C. ) > > > > Lyell Keith SWANN Enlisted in the AIF 14/03/1916 in Adelaide, > South > > Australia with the rank of Private, Number 2156. > > > > Left Australia on the boat " ANCHINES " 28/08/1916. > > > > Arrived England 11/10/1916. > > > > Sgt. L.K. Swann > > " C " Co > > 40th Battalion No 8 Camp, Lark Hill > > > > Sgt. L.K. Swann > > 3rd Reinforcements > > 43rd Battalion. AIF > > > > Graduated for A.F.C. Pilot > > Category A July 30th 1918 > > Category B October, 23rd 1918 > > > > Awarded the Military Medal for Conspicuous Gallantry at Messines > > 29/06/1917 > > > > Received his commission July 1, 1917. > > > > Last entry in diary six (6) he was flying to Ostende from Ennetieres > ( > > approx. 9 klm from Lille. Landed at Froidmont near Tournai. > > > > Last diary entry reads: " " 13th NOVEMBER 1918 - OUR ACTING FLIGHT > > COMMANDER HELLER TOOK MOXHAM & I FOR A FORMATION FLIP. > > WE WERE GOING UP TO OSTEND BUT HELLER HAD TO LAND NEAR > > WERVING SO WE SET OFF FOR HOME. HOWEVER WHEN WEHAD > > ONLY GONE A FEW MILES WE LANDED AT AN AERODROME AT > > LINSELLES TO PROCURE ASSISTANCE FOR HIM. AFTER HAVING > > SOME TEA THERE WE TOOK OFF & SET FOR HOME. > > > > WE MISSED THE DROME THOUGH & HAD TO LAND AT FROIDMONT > > NEAR TOURNAI. STAYED WITH THE 21st R.A.F. SQUADRON ALL > > NIGHT & RETURNED NEXT MORNING. THE TERMS OF THE > > ARMISTACE ARE GREAT & I DON'T THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT > > WE'LL HAVE TO STOUSH UP AGAIN. STAN HOWARD JOINED UP > > AGAIN TODAY. "" > > > > > > >>>>>>>>NOW FOR THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS MESSAGE POSTING... > > > > > > The ' Sunday Mail ' newspaper, Brisbane ( Page 6 April 20, 2003 ) > > contained an editorial W.W.I DIGGERS' REMAINS FOUND and the > > ' Townsville Bulletin ' newspaper ( Page 32 Monday, April 21, 2003 > ) > > contained an editorial DIGGERS' REMAINS FOUND IN FRANCE. > > > > A lengthly entry in the Swann diaries 7th June 1917 makes reference > to > > four (4) soldiers being killed, gives two (2) of the killed soldiers > > names, burial details etc etc and a map reference and I quote; > > > > Map ref. approx. Ploegsteert 1/10,000. 28. S.W.4. Edition 4.8. > 8.A. > > 5 - 3.50. > > > > What I need to know from some knowledgeable person, is the > conversion of > > the above Map ref. to today's Latitude and Longitude to compare with > Lat. > > / Long. information procured via the Internet and as follows: > > > > > > HAZEBROUCK ( France ) > > Lat 50 degree 43' 0 North > > Long 2 degree 31' 60 East > > > > PLOEGSTEERT ( Belgium ) > > Lat 50 degree 43' 0 North > > Long 2 degree 52' 60 East > > > > I am rather excited at the prospects of clarification coming from > someone > > and on the eve of ANZAC day too! > > > > Yours in anticipation, > > > > Eldon Bryant........ > > > > > > GREETINGS FROM TOWNSVILLE; > > > > Eldon R.J. (Don) Bryant > > J.P. (C.dec) QJA Life Member > > " Villa Pamphili " > > 7 Hibiscus Street > > Cranbrook. 4814. Queensland. AUSTRALIA. > > > > Telephone: (07) 4775 6579. > > Facsimile: (07) 4775 3579. > > E-mail: [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > > > GENEALOGISTS HAVE GREAT-GREAT-GREAT RELATIONS. > > > > ............ END OF SIGNATURE ............ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Apply to the Maps Curator for a copy of the map referred to and then you can probably define the area by topographical details on another map with Long & Lat. Good Luck John