Hi Keven, I've been using Family Tree Maker and found it excellent. Especially as you can put all the military service dates etc. with each person. And the listing of source documents is great. Kayta ----- Original Message ----- From: Keven sparks To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: gene programs Hi Listers: i have been using ultimate family tree for over four years, support and upgrades has ceased. could sks help me with suggestions on a replacement? a facility which i would like is for the program to generate a file no. and permit me to program/re-program certain files to fit them into the australian way. regards keven