FOR THE INFORMATION OF INTERESTED AUS-MILITARY MAILING LIST SUBSCRIBERS... E.& O.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> To: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity [REPLY] > Hello David, > > Greetings from Townsville, North Queensland...... > > Thanks for your thoughts re the past and ongoing > saga of the ADM. > > There are so many varied ADM convictions > floating around both verbally and on the Internet > [E-mails], the mind boggles somewhat! > > Personally, I treat the ANS Decoration > [Anniversary of National Service 1951 - > 1972 Medal] purely as a Federal Government > square-off to shut up the whingers by awarding > them a commemorative medallion. > > Yes David, I too must admit, I have applied > for the ADM. > > Whether one agrees, or disagrees to the > National Servicemen receiving the ADM, I > would venture to suggest that 99.99% of > Australia's National Servicemen were totally > apathetic in respect to their apparent lack > of SUPPORT to the 00.01% who did > work their butt's off by long term lobbying > of Federal Politicians, their staff /ADF > advisors and other hanger's on who > receive a fat pay envelope at the expense > of the Aussie tax payer. > > Therefore, The 99.99% of National > Servicemen should receive what they > didn't SUPPORT and that's; > > #&@@*! NOTHING... > > Currently, I can visualize thousands and > thousands of National Servicemen > throughout Australia procuring and > completing their Application Forms for > the ADM. I have to date witnessed > several dozen applications in my > capacity as a JP. > > Many of the Nasho's cannot help > themselves when occasions arise for > the wearing of ADF Medals, they > adorn their shirt or coat with so many > military type badges, they look as if > they were sales representatives for > a badge manufacturers. I guess this > comment is somewhat distasteful, I > am really not a nasty old sod! > > In conclusion and without wanting to > appear to you as a vain person, which > I am not, I was approached last > January '06 to consider joining and > SUPPORTING the agenda of SMALT > [Service Medal for All Loyal Troops] > and on accepting the invitation, got to > work [suggested guidance provided] > along with the other SMALT supporters > throughout Australia, lobbying the Federal > Government political circus arena and > there would not be one Minister or MP > [including the Prime Minister] of any > political persuasion that did not receive > several amicable, to the point REV'S by > E-mail from that young fella Bryant > in Tropical Townsville, not for one > moment, forgetting the brilliant efforts > of my fellow SMALT members/team > throughout Australia. > > Oh! Shut up Bryant, you are not > writing to a politician!!!!!!! > > Cheers and best wishes, > > Eldon Bryant..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> > To: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <e.bryant@bigpond.net.au> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > [REPLY] > > >> It's all a bit of a giggle. In my eyes, the ADM as an award has been >> devalued by this latest set of decisions. You will recall that when the >> National Servicemen's gong was decided upon, there was a backlash from >> the >> regulars who rightly argued that they had no recognition for an eight >> year >> enlistment period. The outcome was the decision to create what was going >> to be an award for volunteering for a regular enlistment period. Then the >> whinging started. >> Now we have the situation where we see a Nasho with no OS service given >> two awards for two years service vs one to the regular for six or eight >> years. Even sillier, we will see Nashos with a VN tour in two years >> service wearing five awards vs the regular wearing three awards for the >> same service, no matter how many times he was recycled (gallantry aside). >> Just another bit of spin-tin, really. Yes, I have applied. >> David Grierson > > > > > > >
On a slightly lighter note can I say that most long term regulars hate these new medals. Partly because they are meaningless but more because of the cost. A mate of mine, a 21 year man with OS service in PNG and Vietnam has a chest full of medals that make him look like Mussolini. Every time a new one is awarded the whole dashed lot have to be remounted at a cost of well over $200. New medals. Bah Humbug. Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: Fw: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity [REPLY] > FOR THE INFORMATION OF INTERESTED > AUS-MILITARY MAILING LIST SUBSCRIBERS... > > E.& O.E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> > To: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > [REPLY] > > > > Hello David, > > > > Greetings from Townsville, North Queensland...... > > > > Thanks for your thoughts re the past and ongoing > > saga of the ADM. > > > > There are so many varied ADM convictions > > floating around both verbally and on the Internet > > [E-mails], the mind boggles somewhat! > > > > Personally, I treat the ANS Decoration > > [Anniversary of National Service 1951 - > > 1972 Medal] purely as a Federal Government > > square-off to shut up the whingers by awarding > > them a commemorative medallion. > > > > Yes David, I too must admit, I have applied > > for the ADM. > > > > Whether one agrees, or disagrees to the > > National Servicemen receiving the ADM, I > > would venture to suggest that 99.99% of > > Australia's National Servicemen were totally > > apathetic in respect to their apparent lack > > of SUPPORT to the 00.01% who did > > work their butt's off by long term lobbying > > of Federal Politicians, their staff /ADF > > advisors and other hanger's on who > > receive a fat pay envelope at the expense > > of the Aussie tax payer. > > > > Therefore, The 99.99% of National > > Servicemen should receive what they > > didn't SUPPORT and that's; > > > > #&@@*! NOTHING... > > > > Currently, I can visualize thousands and > > thousands of National Servicemen > > throughout Australia procuring and > > completing their Application Forms for > > the ADM. I have to date witnessed > > several dozen applications in my > > capacity as a JP. > > > > Many of the Nasho's cannot help > > themselves when occasions arise for > > the wearing of ADF Medals, they > > adorn their shirt or coat with so many > > military type badges, they look as if > > they were sales representatives for > > a badge manufacturers. I guess this > > comment is somewhat distasteful, I > > am really not a nasty old sod! > > > > In conclusion and without wanting to > > appear to you as a vain person, which > > I am not, I was approached last > > January '06 to consider joining and > > SUPPORTING the agenda of SMALT > > [Service Medal for All Loyal Troops] > > and on accepting the invitation, got to > > work [suggested guidance provided] > > along with the other SMALT supporters > > throughout Australia, lobbying the Federal > > Government political circus arena and > > there would not be one Minister or MP > > [including the Prime Minister] of any > > political persuasion that did not receive > > several amicable, to the point REV'S by > > E-mail from that young fella Bryant > > in Tropical Townsville, not for one > > moment, forgetting the brilliant efforts > > of my fellow SMALT members/team > > throughout Australia. > > > > Oh! Shut up Bryant, you are not > > writing to a politician!!!!!!! > > > > Cheers and best wishes, > > > > Eldon Bryant..... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> > > To: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <e.bryant@bigpond.net.au> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > > [REPLY] > > > > > >> It's all a bit of a giggle. In my eyes, the ADM as an award has been > >> devalued by this latest set of decisions. You will recall that when the > >> National Servicemen's gong was decided upon, there was a backlash from > >> the > >> regulars who rightly argued that they had no recognition for an eight > >> year > >> enlistment period. The outcome was the decision to create what was going > >> to be an award for volunteering for a regular enlistment period. Then the > >> whinging started. > >> Now we have the situation where we see a Nasho with no OS service given > >> two awards for two years service vs one to the regular for six or eight > >> years. Even sillier, we will see Nashos with a VN tour in two years > >> service wearing five awards vs the regular wearing three awards for the > >> same service, no matter how many times he was recycled (gallantry aside). > >> Just another bit of spin-tin, really. Yes, I have applied. > >> David Grierson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
What, a 21 year old who served in Vietnam?? - John Wilson > A mate of mine, a 21 year man with OS service in PNG and Vietnam has a > chest full of medals that make him look like Mussolini. Every time a new one > is awarded the whole dashed lot have to be remounted at a cost of well over > $200. >