Hi Mike, I have now discovered that the Herbert John GOODMAN who went off to the Boer War was not connected to the GOODMAN family that I am researching. Nevertheless the whole Boer War exercise has been a very good learning experience. Cheers Anne Hanson -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd [mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:07 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman Anne His wife might have died before he went to South Africa or they were divorced. Therefore the brother was put down as next of kin. Would any of the Indexes show her death? Mike Boyd brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ward" <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > Good evening Anne and Loretta, > The information on Sgt.Goodman same from the > Victorian Military Forces Nominal Roll for the > Third ( or Bushmen's) Contingent to South > Africa. These are held at the Victorian State > Archives. The information differs slightly > between the contingents. I visited his grave whilst in > in South Africa in 2000. His brother is listed as NOK and no mention of > his > wife. > My collecting interests are based around > Victorians in the Boer War and over the years I have > gathered a reasonable amount of information. > Regards, > George Ward > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] > Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 12:35 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > > George, > > Thank you very much indeed. Now this is just me being curious but can you > tell me where the information below came from - I did at one stage end up > on > a Boer War site but had no idea of what I was doing. > > I was about to presume that because his n.o.k. was listed as being in > California that perhaps Herbert and the brother were Americans but perhaps > I > shouldn't. Also I was surprised that his wife, Anna Gillespie McMillan was > not listed as his next of kin. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Ward [mailto:wardfam@alphalink.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 7:09 AM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > > Good morning Anne, > His details on the roll state, No 395 Herbert John > Goodman > born 13th August 1861, married with one child, > occupation Drover, care of the Mansfield Post Office,N.O.K. Brother > C.H.Goodman,Ball's Ferry Chasty County California. > Church of England, 5ft 11.25 inches, 37 inch chest. He is buried at > Rustenburg. > > Regards > > George Ward > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 5:54 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-MIL] A silly question perhaps > > > Good Evening All, > > In Mansfield, Victoria there is a Boer War Memorial which has the > following > inscription: > > THIS OBELISK > WAS ERECTED BY A FEW ADMIRERS > TO THE MEMORY OF > HERBERT JOHN GOODMAN > SERGEANT VICTORIAN BUSHMEN > CORPS, KILLED IN ACTION AT KOSTEO > RIVER, SOUTH AFRICA 22ND JULY 1900 > WHILST HONORABLY UPHOLDING THE > PRESTIGE OF QUEEN AND EMPIRE. > "NO SURRENDER". > > Based on the date of death above I searched the Victorian Digger > Federation > BDM index and was unable to find a death in the name of Herbert John > GOODMAN. So now I'm wondering if an Australian citizen died overseas while > on active service was there a death certificate issued for that person and > if so, by whom? > > I am keen to know this as I am attempting to find out who Herbert John > GOODMAN's parent were. All I have so far is his marriage entry (see below) > and although it says he was born in Benalla I've been unable to find same. > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Surname: GOODMAN > Given Names: Herbert John > Event: M > Spouse Surname/Father: MCMILLAN > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Anna Gillespie > Age: > Sex: M > Birth Place: BENALLA > Death Place: > Year: 1881 > Reg Number: 4546 > > Any suggestions/help would be appreciated. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Milton Ulladulla Boer War & WW1 > http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/war/ > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Anzac Research > http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== Anzac Research http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Anne Does your Goodman family come from Ayrshire? I was typing up a Boyd Mure/Muir family from Rowallan near Fenwick, Ayrshire yesterday and the name The Goodman of ??? came up several time. When I was there last year I copied a number of Boyd families and came home with 200-300 Boyd families, but I have not looked this morning at the contents pages of several references to see if actually I did copy part of these Goodman families. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > Hi Mike, > > I have now discovered that the Herbert John GOODMAN who went off to the > Boer > War was not connected to the GOODMAN family that I am researching. > Nevertheless the whole Boer War exercise has been a very good learning > experience. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Boyd [mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com] > Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:07 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > > > Anne > His wife might have died before he went to South Africa or they were > divorced. Therefore the brother was put down as next of kin. > > Would any of the Indexes show her death? > > Mike Boyd > brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Ward" <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> > To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:05 AM > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > >> Good evening Anne and Loretta, >> The information on Sgt.Goodman same from the >> Victorian Military Forces Nominal Roll for the >> Third ( or Bushmen's) Contingent to South >> Africa. These are held at the Victorian State >> Archives. The information differs slightly >> between the contingents. I visited his grave whilst in >> in South Africa in 2000. His brother is listed as NOK and no mention of >> his >> wife. >> My collecting interests are based around >> Victorians in the Boer War and over the years I have >> gathered a reasonable amount of information. >> Regards, >> George Ward >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] >> Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 12:35 PM >> To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman >> >> >> George, >> >> Thank you very much indeed. Now this is just me being curious but can you >> tell me where the information below came from - I did at one stage end up >> on >> a Boer War site but had no idea of what I was doing. >> >> I was about to presume that because his n.o.k. was listed as being in >> California that perhaps Herbert and the brother were Americans but >> perhaps >> I >> shouldn't. Also I was surprised that his wife, Anna Gillespie McMillan >> was >> not listed as his next of kin. >> >> Cheers >> >> Anne Hanson >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: George Ward [mailto:wardfam@alphalink.com.au] >> Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 7:09 AM >> To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman >> >> >> Good morning Anne, >> His details on the roll state, No 395 Herbert John >> Goodman >> born 13th August 1861, married with one child, >> occupation Drover, care of the Mansfield Post Office,N.O.K. Brother >> C.H.Goodman,Ball's Ferry Chasty County California. >> Church of England, 5ft 11.25 inches, 37 inch chest. He is buried at >> Rustenburg. >> >> Regards >> >> George Ward >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] >> Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 5:54 PM >> To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-MIL] A silly question perhaps >> >> >> Good Evening All, >> >> In Mansfield, Victoria there is a Boer War Memorial which has the >> following >> inscription: >> >> THIS OBELISK >> WAS ERECTED BY A FEW ADMIRERS >> TO THE MEMORY OF >> HERBERT JOHN GOODMAN >> SERGEANT VICTORIAN BUSHMEN >> CORPS, KILLED IN ACTION AT KOSTEO >> RIVER, SOUTH AFRICA 22ND JULY 1900 >> WHILST HONORABLY UPHOLDING THE >> PRESTIGE OF QUEEN AND EMPIRE. >> "NO SURRENDER". >> >> Based on the date of death above I searched the Victorian Digger >> Federation >> BDM index and was unable to find a death in the name of Herbert John >> GOODMAN. So now I'm wondering if an Australian citizen died overseas >> while >> on active service was there a death certificate issued for that person >> and >> if so, by whom? >> >> I am keen to know this as I am attempting to find out who Herbert John >> GOODMAN's parent were. All I have so far is his marriage entry (see >> below) >> and although it says he was born in Benalla I've been unable to find >> same. >> >> Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 >> >> Surname: GOODMAN >> Given Names: Herbert John >> Event: M >> Spouse Surname/Father: MCMILLAN >> Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Anna Gillespie >> Age: >> Sex: M >> Birth Place: BENALLA >> Death Place: >> Year: 1881 >> Reg Number: 4546 >> >> Any suggestions/help would be appreciated. >> >> Cheers >> >> Anne Hanson >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Milton Ulladulla Boer War & WW1 >> http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/war/ >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Anzac Research >> http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Anzac Research > http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.4/375 - Release Date: 25/06/2006 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. 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Chris Pugsley's two papers from the June NZ Society of Genealogists Conference at Hamilton are avaliable to download as a PDF file from: http://www.genealogy.org.nz/news/C%20Pugsley%20papers.html Two inspiring talks by the author of the definitive "Gallipoli: the New Zealand Story", well worth hearing or reading, on the Waikato War 1863-64 and on revisiting Gallipoli (they are not included in the Conference proceedings): John Wilson