Hallo Readers Can anyone tell me hale to find out about a air base near Three Springs Western Australia in 1940s thanks Jon

Does anyone know if we had a system similar to the United States where people would put a gold star in their window for each family member that was serving? Maurie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: [AUS-MIL] Mothers & Widow's Badge and Female Relatives Badge > Another website on the Mothers & Widow's Badge for relatives of the dead: > > http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/badges/mothers_widows.htm > > And the Female Relatives Badge for those with someone on active service > abroad: > > http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/badges/female_relative.htm > > Yours, John Wilson > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > The Military Historical Society of Australia > http://www.pcug.org.au/~astaunto/mhsa.htm > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/302 - Release Date: 5/04/06 > >

Hi LInda So far as I know, these badges were awarded in WWII. I know my grandmother had one with two stars on a bar below the medal but attached, for the two sons she had serving in the forces. My mother also had one for her husband also serving in the same war. Regards Irene R -------Original Message------- From: Linda Barraclough Date: 04/05/06 10:11:21 To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-MIL] Mother's Badges Hi Everyone, I am back working on Annie Whitelaw of Briagolong, Victoria, who had eight sons. Six served in WWI, and a seventh in WWII (but after his mother had died). Of the six in WWI, three were killed in action and one died of wounds a few years after returning to Australia. In the back of my mind is that mothers of either sons who were serving, or sons who were lost, were awarded some form of badge, although I cannot remember if this was WWI or WWII. Is there anyone out there who can tell me anything about them, and what would have happened, if they were WWI, if a mother had six sons. Were badges of a bar-type where there something added for each son??? Thanks! Linda ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== First AIF Order of Battle 1914-1918 http://www.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 4/3/06 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/06

In reference to 'Dead Man's Pennies" we have to keep in mind that the original glorious promises of "one to the family for each man who fell' was in fact a goal NEVER reached. The British Government ran out of enthusiasm, money and will all at about the same time and thousands of families missed out. Hey, why not? The war is over, they are dead so they really don't matter (they don't vote) and we can look to the future with confidence. The families might not want them anyway and if they do, they won't know that they are not going to receive one until AFTER the next election. The more things change the more they stay the same? Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Barraclough" <kapana@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Admin and Thanks > Good Evening All, > > Having just returned home from a long day out, and it being raining > in Victoria, I have had a bad hair day. Me on a bad hair day is a > serious matter on any list I administer. > > That being the case, I have given the original poster on the subject > of loaned photographs my views offlist, which is where I prefer > matters such a this to go. > > Therefore, I think we can leave this matter to rest there. > > But it does give me an opportunity to say "Thank You" to all who > provided information about Mother's Badges. There doesn't seem to be > one held in the family, and no-one seems to have the Dead Man's > Pennies for the three men killed in action. I suspect there was so > much sadness about the scale of the loss, that all such "souvenirs" > were rejected. I do know that one younger brother immediately removed > the plaque naming the woman from society who unveiled the war > memorial with his brother's names on it - and it was only found fifty > years later in the bottom of his water tank. > > Asked at the time about it (by a WWII veteran, who knew the story), > he just said "Well, if some society biddy came out to get her name on > the memorial to your brothers, what would you do?". The matter was left there. > > (For those who weren't following this thread, at that time he had > lost three brothers in the war, one having just turned seventeen) > > Thanks again > > Linda > > > At 02:44 PM 6/04/2006 +1000, it was written: > > >With all respect, I would suggest that the > >AUS-MILITARY Mailing List is not > >considered the correct medium to display a > >sour grapes attitude over the non return > >of a loaned photograph, original or > >otherwise! > > ______________________________

Yeah you are probably right. However you might want to take into account the feeling with many Old'n Bolds that if your Queen/Country awards you a medal you are duty bound to wear it. Old fashioned? Probably. So I figure that they feel compelled to go through the remounting process at a cost that is not insignificant, all to display a medal that is so far removed from it's original concept as to be laughable. Over 1 million people will be eligible. The term "Every Bleeders Got One Medal" comes to mind. I found one yesterday in a box of Weeties. Here is the stupid bit. I served honourably in the CMF 1965 to 1968. In 1968 I was conscripted. I declined to offer to avoid full time service by staying in the CMF and went (proudly) off to the ARA (NS). I served until 1970, mostly in Malaysia/Singapore as an Infanteer (a Dust Disturber). My slate was clean. I was discharged to the Active Reserve for a period of xyx years. The Army in it's wisdom decided that my overseas service warranted NO MEDALS. I agreed. Since then, vote seeking politicians have awarded me 3 medals. My Dad served in France 1916 to 1919. Leaving aside his MM, he was entitled to 2 medals. And I get 3 for 14 months service in a non-war zone? Sounds crazy to me. Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> To: "Ted HARRIS" <tedharris@ozemail.com.au> Cc: "AUSTRALIAN MILITARY Mailing List" <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity [REPLY] > Still on a slightly lighter note, your thoughts and those of > suggested long term regulars are respected. > > I too know many long term regulars, most of whom have > a big whinge about the remounting cost every time they > become aware of their eligibility to apply for a new ADF > Medal. > > If I were a betting man, which I am not; I would wager > $1.00 that most of our cobbers that have a initial whinge > about the remounting cost of their new medal, open their > wallets, let the moths out and get the remount done. > > The alternative is not to apply for a new medal and > if you do and do not want to bear the remounting > cost, its case will protect it in the bottom of a drawer > somewhere or give it to one of your responsible and > appreciative children or grandchild... > > HUMOUR IS THE KEY! > > Eldon Bryant............. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted HARRIS" <tedharris@ozemail.com.au> > To: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com>; > <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > [REPLY] > > > > On a slightly lighter note can I say that most long term regulars hate > > these > > new medals. Partly because they are meaningless but more because of the > > cost. > > > > A mate of mine, a 21 year man with OS service in PNG and Vietnam has a > > chest > > full of medals that make him look like Mussolini. Every time a new one is > > awarded the whole dashed lot have to be remounted at a cost of well over > > $200. > > > > New medals. Bah Humbug. > > > > Cheers, > > Ted Harris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> > > To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:29 PM > > Subject: Fw: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > > [REPLY] > > > > > >> FOR THE INFORMATION OF INTERESTED > >> AUS-MILITARY MAILING LIST SUBSCRIBERS... > >> > >> E.& O.E. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> > >> To: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> > >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:34 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > >> [REPLY] > >> > >> > >> > Hello David, > >> > > >> > Greetings from Townsville, North Queensland...... > >> > > >> > Thanks for your thoughts re the past and ongoing > >> > saga of the ADM. > >> > > >> > There are so many varied ADM convictions > >> > floating around both verbally and on the Internet > >> > [E-mails], the mind boggles somewhat! > >> > > >> > Personally, I treat the ANS Decoration > >> > [Anniversary of National Service 1951 - > >> > 1972 Medal] purely as a Federal Government > >> > square-off to shut up the whingers by awarding > >> > them a commemorative medallion. > >> > > >> > Yes David, I too must admit, I have applied > >> > for the ADM. > >> > > >> > Whether one agrees, or disagrees to the > >> > National Servicemen receiving the ADM, I > >> > would venture to suggest that 99.99% of > >> > Australia's National Servicemen were totally > >> > apathetic in respect to their apparent lack > >> > of SUPPORT to the 00.01% who did > >> > work their butt's off by long term lobbying > >> > of Federal Politicians, their staff /ADF > >> > advisors and other hanger's on who > >> > receive a fat pay envelope at the expense > >> > of the Aussie tax payer. > >> > > >> > Therefore, The 99.99% of National > >> > Servicemen should receive what they > >> > didn't SUPPORT and that's; > >> > > >> > #&@@*! NOTHING... > >> > > >> > Currently, I can visualize thousands and > >> > thousands of National Servicemen > >> > throughout Australia procuring and > >> > completing their Application Forms for > >> > the ADM. I have to date witnessed > >> > several dozen applications in my > >> > capacity as a JP. > >> > > >> > Many of the Nasho's cannot help > >> > themselves when occasions arise for > >> > the wearing of ADF Medals, they > >> > adorn their shirt or coat with so many > >> > military type badges, they look as if > >> > they were sales representatives for > >> > a badge manufacturers. I guess this > >> > comment is somewhat distasteful, I > >> > am really not a nasty old sod! > >> > > >> > In conclusion and without wanting to > >> > appear to you as a vain person, which > >> > I am not, I was approached last > >> > January '06 to consider joining and > >> > SUPPORTING the agenda of SMALT > >> > [Service Medal for All Loyal Troops] > >> > and on accepting the invitation, got to > >> > work [suggested guidance provided] > >> > along with the other SMALT supporters > >> > throughout Australia, lobbying the Federal > >> > Government political circus arena and > >> > there would not be one Minister or MP > >> > [including the Prime Minister] of any > >> > political persuasion that did not receive > >> > several amicable, to the point REV'S by > >> > E-mail from that young fella Bryant > >> > in Tropical Townsville, not for one > >> > moment, forgetting the brilliant efforts > >> > of my fellow SMALT members/team > >> > throughout Australia. > >> > > >> > Oh! Shut up Bryant, you are not > >> > writing to a politician!!!!!!! > >> > > >> > Cheers and best wishes, > >> > > >> > Eldon Bryant..... > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> > >> > To: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <e.bryant@bigpond.net.au> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:59 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > >> > [REPLY] > >> > > >> > > >> >> It's all a bit of a giggle. In my eyes, the ADM as an award has been > >> >> devalued by this latest set of decisions. You will recall that when > >> >> the > >> >> National Servicemen's gong was decided upon, there was a backlash from > >> >> the > >> >> regulars who rightly argued that they had no recognition for an eight > >> >> year > >> >> enlistment period. The outcome was the decision to create what was > > going > >> >> to be an award for volunteering for a regular enlistment period. Then > > the > >> >> whinging started. > >> >> Now we have the situation where we see a Nasho with no OS service > >> >> given > >> >> two awards for two years service vs one to the regular for six or > >> >> eight > >> >> years. Even sillier, we will see Nashos with a VN tour in two years > >> >> service wearing five awards vs the regular wearing three awards for > >> >> the > >> >> same service, no matter how many times he was recycled (gallantry > > aside). > >> >> Just another bit of spin-tin, really. Yes, I have applied. > >> >> David Grierson > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >

I wish I had followed this thread closer. We have a badge, given to our Great Grand Mother.Sarah Ann MOORE This badge has 2 bars . We presumed, the 2 bars, was for each of her son's that died during the war. 2 sons died POW, the 3rd returned home. Could this be " a Mothers badge"? Happiness Peggy & Max Henson Swan Hill Victoria Australia researching Abbott Bell Biddiscombe Bloxham Fellows, Phipps, Moore,

Good Evening All, Having just returned home from a long day out, and it being raining in Victoria, I have had a bad hair day. Me on a bad hair day is a serious matter on any list I administer. That being the case, I have given the original poster on the subject of loaned photographs my views offlist, which is where I prefer matters such a this to go. Therefore, I think we can leave this matter to rest there. But it does give me an opportunity to say "Thank You" to all who provided information about Mother's Badges. There doesn't seem to be one held in the family, and no-one seems to have the Dead Man's Pennies for the three men killed in action. I suspect there was so much sadness about the scale of the loss, that all such "souvenirs" were rejected. I do know that one younger brother immediately removed the plaque naming the woman from society who unveiled the war memorial with his brother's names on it - and it was only found fifty years later in the bottom of his water tank. Asked at the time about it (by a WWII veteran, who knew the story), he just said "Well, if some society biddy came out to get her name on the memorial to your brothers, what would you do?". The matter was left there. (For those who weren't following this thread, at that time he had lost three brothers in the war, one having just turned seventeen) Thanks again Linda At 02:44 PM 6/04/2006 +1000, it was written: >With all respect, I would suggest that the >AUS-MILITARY Mailing List is not >considered the correct medium to display a >sour grapes attitude over the non return >of a loaned photograph, original or >otherwise!

Hello My Great Great Grandfather was in the 40th Regiment of foot. I got the 1852 pay lists from the AJCP from the library See my site http://www.angelfire.com/film/vulcan/ You maybe able to find some information by looking at records of the 40th on the AJCP at state libraries Regards Kathryn ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" <ssul5000@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:37 AM Subject: [AUS-MIL] RE THOMAS BENNETT MOARI WAR > Hi, i'm looking for information on Thomas Bennett Pte 3498, he served in the 40th foot regiment. The information i have is that he enlisted 21/11/1854 at Taunton, served in New Zealand and then deserted while on garrison duty at Sandhurst (Bendigo) on 21/101856. Thomas was born in Broadclyst Devon about 1835. Any info would be fantastic ! > Cheers and thanks > Paul Sullivan

Sorry Ted, I should have known; "21 year" not "21 year old" - John ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted HARRIS <tedharris@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: April 6, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal > No, 21 years in the ARA. 3RAR, 4RAR, 1PIR, 1RVR, Duntroon on staff, etc > > Cheers, > Ted Harris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> > To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal > > > > What, a 21 year old who served in Vietnam?? - John Wilson > > > > > A mate of mine, a 21 year man with OS service in PNG and Vietnam has a > > > chest full of medals that make him look like Mussolini. Every time a new > > one > > > is awarded the whole dashed lot have to be remounted at a cost of well > > over > > > $200. > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > The Military Historical Society of Australia > http://www.pcug.org.au/~astaunto/mhsa.htm >

What, a 21 year old who served in Vietnam?? - John Wilson > A mate of mine, a 21 year man with OS service in PNG and Vietnam has a > chest full of medals that make him look like Mussolini. Every time a new one > is awarded the whole dashed lot have to be remounted at a cost of well over > $200. >

G'day, someone who deserted in Bendigo in 1856 most likely went in search of gold. You could check the Victorian BDM indices, but as a deserter, he probably adopted an alias from that time on: a very high brickwall to scale 150 years later. The Victoria Police Gazette included notes about ships' and other deserters: you might get a clue there. They also published follow-up notices, if there was any outcome. Next I'd look at any indices relating to courts & prisons. Best of luck: I think you'll need it. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: paul [mailto:ssul5000@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Friday, 7 April 2006 3:07 AM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE THOMAS BENNETT MOARI WAR Hi, i'm looking for information on Thomas Bennett Pte 3498, he served in the 40th foot regiment. The information i have is that he enlisted 21/11/1854 at Taunton, served in New Zealand and then deserted while on garrison duty at Sandhurst (Bendigo) on 21/101856. Thomas was born in Broadclyst Devon about 1835. Any info would be fantastic ! Cheers and thanks Paul Sullivan ______________________________

No, 21 years in the ARA. 3RAR, 4RAR, 1PIR, 1RVR, Duntroon on staff, etc Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal > What, a 21 year old who served in Vietnam?? - John Wilson > > > A mate of mine, a 21 year man with OS service in PNG and Vietnam has a > > chest full of medals that make him look like Mussolini. Every time a new > one > > is awarded the whole dashed lot have to be remounted at a cost of well > over > > $200. > > >

Still on a slightly lighter note, your thoughts and those of suggested long term regulars are respected. I too know many long term regulars, most of whom have a big whinge about the remounting cost every time they become aware of their eligibility to apply for a new ADF Medal. If I were a betting man, which I am not; I would wager $1.00 that most of our cobbers that have a initial whinge about the remounting cost of their new medal, open their wallets, let the moths out and get the remount done. The alternative is not to apply for a new medal and if you do and do not want to bear the remounting cost, its case will protect it in the bottom of a drawer somewhere or give it to one of your responsible and appreciative children or grandchild... HUMOUR IS THE KEY! Eldon Bryant............. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted HARRIS" <tedharris@ozemail.com.au> To: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com>; <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity [REPLY] > On a slightly lighter note can I say that most long term regulars hate > these > new medals. Partly because they are meaningless but more because of the > cost. > > A mate of mine, a 21 year man with OS service in PNG and Vietnam has a > chest > full of medals that make him look like Mussolini. Every time a new one is > awarded the whole dashed lot have to be remounted at a cost of well over > $200. > > New medals. Bah Humbug. > > Cheers, > Ted Harris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:29 PM > Subject: Fw: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > [REPLY] > > >> FOR THE INFORMATION OF INTERESTED >> AUS-MILITARY MAILING LIST SUBSCRIBERS... >> >> E.& O.E. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> >> To: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity >> [REPLY] >> >> >> > Hello David, >> > >> > Greetings from Townsville, North Queensland...... >> > >> > Thanks for your thoughts re the past and ongoing >> > saga of the ADM. >> > >> > There are so many varied ADM convictions >> > floating around both verbally and on the Internet >> > [E-mails], the mind boggles somewhat! >> > >> > Personally, I treat the ANS Decoration >> > [Anniversary of National Service 1951 - >> > 1972 Medal] purely as a Federal Government >> > square-off to shut up the whingers by awarding >> > them a commemorative medallion. >> > >> > Yes David, I too must admit, I have applied >> > for the ADM. >> > >> > Whether one agrees, or disagrees to the >> > National Servicemen receiving the ADM, I >> > would venture to suggest that 99.99% of >> > Australia's National Servicemen were totally >> > apathetic in respect to their apparent lack >> > of SUPPORT to the 00.01% who did >> > work their butt's off by long term lobbying >> > of Federal Politicians, their staff /ADF >> > advisors and other hanger's on who >> > receive a fat pay envelope at the expense >> > of the Aussie tax payer. >> > >> > Therefore, The 99.99% of National >> > Servicemen should receive what they >> > didn't SUPPORT and that's; >> > >> > #&@@*! NOTHING... >> > >> > Currently, I can visualize thousands and >> > thousands of National Servicemen >> > throughout Australia procuring and >> > completing their Application Forms for >> > the ADM. I have to date witnessed >> > several dozen applications in my >> > capacity as a JP. >> > >> > Many of the Nasho's cannot help >> > themselves when occasions arise for >> > the wearing of ADF Medals, they >> > adorn their shirt or coat with so many >> > military type badges, they look as if >> > they were sales representatives for >> > a badge manufacturers. I guess this >> > comment is somewhat distasteful, I >> > am really not a nasty old sod! >> > >> > In conclusion and without wanting to >> > appear to you as a vain person, which >> > I am not, I was approached last >> > January '06 to consider joining and >> > SUPPORTING the agenda of SMALT >> > [Service Medal for All Loyal Troops] >> > and on accepting the invitation, got to >> > work [suggested guidance provided] >> > along with the other SMALT supporters >> > throughout Australia, lobbying the Federal >> > Government political circus arena and >> > there would not be one Minister or MP >> > [including the Prime Minister] of any >> > political persuasion that did not receive >> > several amicable, to the point REV'S by >> > E-mail from that young fella Bryant >> > in Tropical Townsville, not for one >> > moment, forgetting the brilliant efforts >> > of my fellow SMALT members/team >> > throughout Australia. >> > >> > Oh! Shut up Bryant, you are not >> > writing to a politician!!!!!!! >> > >> > Cheers and best wishes, >> > >> > Eldon Bryant..... >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> >> > To: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <e.bryant@bigpond.net.au> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:59 PM >> > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity >> > [REPLY] >> > >> > >> >> It's all a bit of a giggle. In my eyes, the ADM as an award has been >> >> devalued by this latest set of decisions. You will recall that when >> >> the >> >> National Servicemen's gong was decided upon, there was a backlash from >> >> the >> >> regulars who rightly argued that they had no recognition for an eight >> >> year >> >> enlistment period. The outcome was the decision to create what was > going >> >> to be an award for volunteering for a regular enlistment period. Then > the >> >> whinging started. >> >> Now we have the situation where we see a Nasho with no OS service >> >> given >> >> two awards for two years service vs one to the regular for six or >> >> eight >> >> years. Even sillier, we will see Nashos with a VN tour in two years >> >> service wearing five awards vs the regular wearing three awards for >> >> the >> >> same service, no matter how many times he was recycled (gallantry > aside). >> >> Just another bit of spin-tin, really. Yes, I have applied. >> >> David Grierson >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>

On the matter of medals can I suggest everyone consults http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-medals/too-many.htm Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "South Coast Promotions" <cathyd@shoalhaven.net.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal [REPLY] > Contact > Burns Shawn <Shawn.Burns@aph.gov.au> > He is the media & public relations for Federal member of Gilmore Joanna Gash, > she is the chair of the Australia Defence committee that has done this work > > Cathy Dunn > > At 12:43 PM 5/04/2006 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi to all; > > > >I served my National Service in 1952 (90days), my obligation to evening > >training plus annual 2 weeks. I then enlisted in the CMF (now termed > >Reserve) served 2 years and resigned to enlisted in the ARA served 9 years. > >During this 9 years I served in TPNG, Malaya, Malaysia, Borneo (possibly > >also Brunei). I also served in Singapore before it joined Malaysia, > >during the brief period in which it was part of Malaysia and after Lee > >Kwan Yeu declared Singapore's independence). > > > >My service gives me an unusual group, which may also include a British > >award if I knew how and where to apply. I am entitled to all the awards > >being discussed here, including the proposed Malaysian medal due sometime > >in 2006. > >I mention this as an indication that service (for awards) in our armed > >forces can take many forms. > > > >regards > > > >to everyone. > > > >keven sparks > >Paul Kean wrote: > >>G'day all, > >> > >>I sent this to Ted, but meant to send it to the list. > >> > >>The following quote from DoD website says it all. > >>Essentially, David, you are correct. > >> > >>"National servicemen will also be eligible for the > >>ADM, as the completion of their National Service > >>obligation will be considered as completion of an > >>initial enlistment period of service." > >> > >>Regards, > >>..Paul > >>--- davin evans <davinevans@msn.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hi List, here is an quote from the original email on > >>>this thread > >>> > >>>"The Australian Defence Medal will be issued to > >>>those members who served in either the regular defence forces, the > >>>reserves or > >>>through national service and who completed their initial terms or 4 years, > >>>whichever is the lesser. " > >>> > >>>Thus I would assume National Servicemen, like my > >>>father who completed his 2 years service (being his "initial term") > >>>including a > >>>year in Vietnam Dec1967 - Dec1968 with 3 RAR, are eligable for this medal. > >>> > >>>Regards > >>>Davin Evans > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> > >>>>Reply-To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > >>>>To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > >>>>Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal > >>>> > >>> [REPLY] > >>> > >>>>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:20:36 +1000 > >>>> > >>>>Ted > >>>>In the 1950's program, quite often after they did > >>>> > >>>their period of national > >>>>service, they continued on. My uncle went in a > >>>> > >>>national service man and > >>>>went onto being an Captain. I think may others > >>>> > >>>stayed on after their > >>>>period of service. > >>>> > >>>>Mike Boyd > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted HARRIS" > >>>> > >>><tedharris@ozemail.com.au> > >>> > >>>>To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:41 AM > >>>>Subject: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal > >>>> > >>>[REPLY] > >>> > >>>> > >>>>>Please set me straight. I was under the impression > >>>>> > >>>that the new medal > >>> > >>>>>required at least 4 years service. > >>>>> > >>>>>If that is the case how will National Servicemen > >>>>> > >>>have a claim/ > >>> > >>>>>Where am I going wrong? > >>>>> > >>>>>Cheers, > >>>>>Ted Harris > >>>>> > >>>>==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > >>>>AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go > >>>> > >>>to the list. Please > >>>>check your replies before sending, to make sure > >>>> > >>>that is what you know is > >>>>happening. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > >Milton Ulladulla Boer War & WW1 > >http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/war/ > > ______________________________

Miss Fedelmar, With all respect, I would suggest that the AUS-MILITARY Mailing List is not considered the correct medium to display a sour grapes attitude over the non return of a loaned photograph, original or otherwise! Eldon Bryant..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miss Fedelmar" <fedelmar@lycos.com> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Australian Defence Medal insult > Interesting to see you here on the list Phillip. I am still waiting for > you to return to me the only original photograph of my grandfather in > uniform. > > Bright Blessings, > Sandra. > > My Web Pages - http://tinyurl.com/o3mad > MSN Messenger - fedelmar@hotmail.com > MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ > > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* > Knowledge speaks and wisdom listens. > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* > > From: murkolein <murkolein@bigpond.com> > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Australian Defence Medal insult > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:07:30 +1000 > > > I went and checked - yes, "despatch functions ... by overseas entities". > > The intelligence service of that particular country(ies) will be able to > take extended > holidays - being supplied with a list of all trained (that was one of the > bases of the > medal, the length of time for proficient training) service personnel in > the ADF > (including current serving), not only name rank & service number, but > address, phone, > email etc. as you say. > > And, yes, more jobs exported and proliferating the Asian sweat shops. > > I think this should be raised for politicians to question and debate in > Parliament. > > I'm going to contact my Federal Member. > > All the Best > Phillip MURPHY > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow > Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > ______________________________

On a slightly lighter note can I say that most long term regulars hate these new medals. Partly because they are meaningless but more because of the cost. A mate of mine, a 21 year man with OS service in PNG and Vietnam has a chest full of medals that make him look like Mussolini. Every time a new one is awarded the whole dashed lot have to be remounted at a cost of well over $200. New medals. Bah Humbug. Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: Fw: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity [REPLY] > FOR THE INFORMATION OF INTERESTED > AUS-MILITARY MAILING LIST SUBSCRIBERS... > > E.& O.E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> > To: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > [REPLY] > > > > Hello David, > > > > Greetings from Townsville, North Queensland...... > > > > Thanks for your thoughts re the past and ongoing > > saga of the ADM. > > > > There are so many varied ADM convictions > > floating around both verbally and on the Internet > > [E-mails], the mind boggles somewhat! > > > > Personally, I treat the ANS Decoration > > [Anniversary of National Service 1951 - > > 1972 Medal] purely as a Federal Government > > square-off to shut up the whingers by awarding > > them a commemorative medallion. > > > > Yes David, I too must admit, I have applied > > for the ADM. > > > > Whether one agrees, or disagrees to the > > National Servicemen receiving the ADM, I > > would venture to suggest that 99.99% of > > Australia's National Servicemen were totally > > apathetic in respect to their apparent lack > > of SUPPORT to the 00.01% who did > > work their butt's off by long term lobbying > > of Federal Politicians, their staff /ADF > > advisors and other hanger's on who > > receive a fat pay envelope at the expense > > of the Aussie tax payer. > > > > Therefore, The 99.99% of National > > Servicemen should receive what they > > didn't SUPPORT and that's; > > > > #&@@*! NOTHING... > > > > Currently, I can visualize thousands and > > thousands of National Servicemen > > throughout Australia procuring and > > completing their Application Forms for > > the ADM. I have to date witnessed > > several dozen applications in my > > capacity as a JP. > > > > Many of the Nasho's cannot help > > themselves when occasions arise for > > the wearing of ADF Medals, they > > adorn their shirt or coat with so many > > military type badges, they look as if > > they were sales representatives for > > a badge manufacturers. I guess this > > comment is somewhat distasteful, I > > am really not a nasty old sod! > > > > In conclusion and without wanting to > > appear to you as a vain person, which > > I am not, I was approached last > > January '06 to consider joining and > > SUPPORTING the agenda of SMALT > > [Service Medal for All Loyal Troops] > > and on accepting the invitation, got to > > work [suggested guidance provided] > > along with the other SMALT supporters > > throughout Australia, lobbying the Federal > > Government political circus arena and > > there would not be one Minister or MP > > [including the Prime Minister] of any > > political persuasion that did not receive > > several amicable, to the point REV'S by > > E-mail from that young fella Bryant > > in Tropical Townsville, not for one > > moment, forgetting the brilliant efforts > > of my fellow SMALT members/team > > throughout Australia. > > > > Oh! Shut up Bryant, you are not > > writing to a politician!!!!!!! > > > > Cheers and best wishes, > > > > Eldon Bryant..... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> > > To: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <e.bryant@bigpond.net.au> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > > [REPLY] > > > > > >> It's all a bit of a giggle. In my eyes, the ADM as an award has been > >> devalued by this latest set of decisions. You will recall that when the > >> National Servicemen's gong was decided upon, there was a backlash from > >> the > >> regulars who rightly argued that they had no recognition for an eight > >> year > >> enlistment period. The outcome was the decision to create what was going > >> to be an award for volunteering for a regular enlistment period. Then the > >> whinging started. > >> Now we have the situation where we see a Nasho with no OS service given > >> two awards for two years service vs one to the regular for six or eight > >> years. Even sillier, we will see Nashos with a VN tour in two years > >> service wearing five awards vs the regular wearing three awards for the > >> same service, no matter how many times he was recycled (gallantry aside). > >> Just another bit of spin-tin, really. Yes, I have applied. > >> David Grierson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Both WW1 and WW2 Female Relatives Badges are listed, photographs and details supplied on the previously supplied link http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-badges/civilian2.htm Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thomas" <pmthomas@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Mother's Badges > G'day, I have seen "silver" badges issued to mothers in respect of WW2. > A bar was suspended below it, with stars indicating how many sons (&/or > daughters, perhaps) had enlisted. The badges were brooch-style, about > 30mm diameter. > > I gather that the badges were numbered on the back - which makes you > wonder if there might be something at NAA about them. > > I believe that the badges were issued during the war, as an indirect > part of the recruiting effort: no self-respecting mother would want to > be seen without her badge ... > > An interesting question might be whether or not sons who enlisted, but > not for overseas service, counted toward the "stars" on the bar. > > I can't recall hearing of anything comparable in WW1, but will be > interested to read what other Listers contribute on this subject. > > Peter THOMAS > Darwin, AUSTRALIA > <pmthomas@bigpond.com> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Barraclough [mailto:kapana@netspace.net.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 9:44 AM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Mother's Badges > > > Hi Everyone, > > I am back working on Annie Whitelaw of Briagolong, Victoria, who had > eight sons. Six served in WWI, and a seventh in WWII (but after his > mother had died). > > Of the six in WWI, three were killed in action and one died of wounds > a few years after returning to Australia. > > I have a photo of her headstone > at http://kapana.blogspot.com/2005/11/annie-whitelaw.html > > In the back of my mind is that mothers of either sons who were > serving, or sons who were lost, were awarded some form of badge, > although I cannot remember if this was WWI or WWII. > > Is there anyone out there who can tell me anything about them, and > what would have happened, if they were WWI, if a mother had six sons. > Were badges of a bar-type where there something added for each son??? > > Thanks! > > Linda > > ______________________________ > > ______________________________

FOR THE INFORMATION OF INTERESTED AUS-MILITARY MAILING LIST SUBSCRIBERS... E.& O.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <artillery.oz@bigpond.com> To: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity [REPLY] > Hello David, > > Greetings from Townsville, North Queensland...... > > Thanks for your thoughts re the past and ongoing > saga of the ADM. > > There are so many varied ADM convictions > floating around both verbally and on the Internet > [E-mails], the mind boggles somewhat! > > Personally, I treat the ANS Decoration > [Anniversary of National Service 1951 - > 1972 Medal] purely as a Federal Government > square-off to shut up the whingers by awarding > them a commemorative medallion. > > Yes David, I too must admit, I have applied > for the ADM. > > Whether one agrees, or disagrees to the > National Servicemen receiving the ADM, I > would venture to suggest that 99.99% of > Australia's National Servicemen were totally > apathetic in respect to their apparent lack > of SUPPORT to the 00.01% who did > work their butt's off by long term lobbying > of Federal Politicians, their staff /ADF > advisors and other hanger's on who > receive a fat pay envelope at the expense > of the Aussie tax payer. > > Therefore, The 99.99% of National > Servicemen should receive what they > didn't SUPPORT and that's; > > #&@@*! NOTHING... > > Currently, I can visualize thousands and > thousands of National Servicemen > throughout Australia procuring and > completing their Application Forms for > the ADM. I have to date witnessed > several dozen applications in my > capacity as a JP. > > Many of the Nasho's cannot help > themselves when occasions arise for > the wearing of ADF Medals, they > adorn their shirt or coat with so many > military type badges, they look as if > they were sales representatives for > a badge manufacturers. I guess this > comment is somewhat distasteful, I > am really not a nasty old sod! > > In conclusion and without wanting to > appear to you as a vain person, which > I am not, I was approached last > January '06 to consider joining and > SUPPORTING the agenda of SMALT > [Service Medal for All Loyal Troops] > and on accepting the invitation, got to > work [suggested guidance provided] > along with the other SMALT supporters > throughout Australia, lobbying the Federal > Government political circus arena and > there would not be one Minister or MP > [including the Prime Minister] of any > political persuasion that did not receive > several amicable, to the point REV'S by > E-mail from that young fella Bryant > in Tropical Townsville, not for one > moment, forgetting the brilliant efforts > of my fellow SMALT members/team > throughout Australia. > > Oh! Shut up Bryant, you are not > writing to a politician!!!!!!! > > Cheers and best wishes, > > Eldon Bryant..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. David Grierson" <grierson@melbpc.org.au> > To: "Eldon R. J. Bryant" <e.bryant@bigpond.net.au> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Re: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > [REPLY] > > >> It's all a bit of a giggle. In my eyes, the ADM as an award has been >> devalued by this latest set of decisions. You will recall that when the >> National Servicemen's gong was decided upon, there was a backlash from >> the >> regulars who rightly argued that they had no recognition for an eight >> year >> enlistment period. The outcome was the decision to create what was going >> to be an award for volunteering for a regular enlistment period. Then the >> whinging started. >> Now we have the situation where we see a Nasho with no OS service given >> two awards for two years service vs one to the regular for six or eight >> years. Even sillier, we will see Nashos with a VN tour in two years >> service wearing five awards vs the regular wearing three awards for the >> same service, no matter how many times he was recycled (gallantry aside). >> Just another bit of spin-tin, really. Yes, I have applied. >> David Grierson > > > > > > >

Hi, i'm looking for information on Thomas Bennett Pte 3498, he served in the 40th foot regiment. The information i have is that he enlisted 21/11/1854 at Taunton, served in New Zealand and then deserted while on garrison duty at Sandhurst (Bendigo) on 21/101856. Thomas was born in Broadclyst Devon about 1835. Any info would be fantastic ! Cheers and thanks Paul Sullivan

Hello Anthony, Long time between our last exchange of E-mails! Thanks for your valued comments, much appreciated. My local Federal MP is well acquainted with this young fella and his current endeavours re the ADM and I assume he will address my query to the appropriate Minister along with a request for the arranging of an early reply from the Medals and Awards people [Defence Department]. Trust you are keeping healthy and happy. Yours aye, Eldon Bryant.................. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Staunton" <anthony.staunton@pcug.org.au> To: "'Eldon R. J. Bryant'" <e.bryant@bigpond.net.au>; <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: Australian Defence Medal possible ambiguity > Eldon R. J. Bryant wrote that there was an ambiguity in the following > paragraphs: > > * Ex-serving personnel who have served for four years [or have completed a > lesser initial enlistment period] either as an ADF Regular or Reserve > member > since the end of World War II [3 September 1945] are eligible for the > medal. > > ** National Servicemen will also be eligible for the ADM, as the > completion > of their National Service obligation will be considered as completion of > an > initial enlistment period of service. "" > > The first paragraph states you get the medal if you served a) four years > or > b) have completed a lesser initial enlistment period. The second paragraph > is giving an example of b) in the first paragraph. I am not sure what the > other interpretations are. > > By the way, the Minister assisting the Minister for Defence is the > minister responsible for Defence personnel matters including > honours and awards. He happens to be the same person as the > Minister for Veterans' Affairs but it will be medal experts from > the Defence Department rather than Veterans Affairs who draft > the reply. > > Anthony Staunton > >