Morning Linda, I have reviewed his file, your question relates to the period during the Battle of Messines, south of Ypres Belguim, during which he received a gun shot wound to the back. Page 38 has no entry of being awarded a Mention in Dispatches. I have checked the Honour and Awards Recommendations file at the Australian War Memorial again no mention of a formal recommendation. From the entry on Page 8 of his file, it states he was worthy of being mentioned in the 10th Infantry Brigade Routine Orders for his conduct nduring the Battle and it was taken no further apart from being noted on his file. We the (Army) can still do on occasion mention a person in the units Routine Orders and this is recorded on their Personal File, information such as this would be used either on their Annual Report in the case of a NCO, or when considering the promotion of a Private soldier as what appears to have happened to Donald when he returned to the Battalion after his spell in Hospitial with his Gunshot Wound. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Barraclough [mailto:kapana@netspace.net.au] Sent: Thursday, 20 July 2006 3:39 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-MIL] Mentioned in Despatches? Hi Everyone, I am beavering away on my Whitelaw article - thank you to all who have offered assistance. I do have one specific question, if anyone can help. At the bottom of Page 8 in the dossier of Donald John Whitelaw at http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8386216&I=1&SE=1 There is an entry headed "Laudatory" which talks of his conduct during, I think, the Messines campaign. Is this what is normally referred to as "Mentioned in Despatches"? Or is it some other form of comment that was routinely attached to files? Thanks, in advance, for any advice, Linda ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== First AIF Order of Battle 1914-1918 http://www.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/index.html

Hi Everyone, I am beavering away on my Whitelaw article - thank you to all who have offered assistance. I do have one specific question, if anyone can help. At the bottom of Page 8 in the dossier of Donald John Whitelaw at http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8386216&I=1&SE=1 There is an entry headed "Laudatory" which talks of his conduct during, I think, the Messines campaign. Is this what is normally referred to as "Mentioned in Despatches"? Or is it some other form of comment that was routinely attached to files? Thanks, in advance, for any advice, Linda

Linda, Altho not an expert, I am writing a history of the enlistments from our area for WW1(750 odd) and have a good idea of the spheres of conflict including Egypt, Fance, Messopotomia and Rabaul, and am conversant with most AWM data and research facilities. . I would like to read the draft of your material. Ian

Hi Everyone, I am looking for a little bit of help from any WWI experts who might be out there. Reason being, I am completing an article for publication (soon!) on the Whitelaw family of Briagolong, who had six brothers enlist for WWI - three were KIA in France and one died of wounds soon after return. Several also served at Gallipoli. I have most of the details, dates etc, but I am no military historian. So what I am really after is anyone who would be prepared to read the draft article for me (it should be finished in a couple of hours), and point out to me any glaring contextural stuff/interpretive stuff I have missed. If anyone would be able to read the article, which I would send as an e-mail attachment, and make comment, please drop me an e-mail offlist at kapana@netspace.net.au Unfortunately this is a love job, so much as I would love to be able to offer an editing fee - I can't. But I can promise to acknowledge and send a copy of the final article. Thanks! Linda

Anyone researching the men who fought on Bougainville in WW2 might find Bougainville Notebook of some use http://www.diggerhistory3.info/bougainville/ Cheers, Ted Harris

Hi Friends I am searching for any information on Henry Stuart Boyle date and place of birth not known. He served in the Boer War rank Private, Unit 3 (Queensland Mounted Infantry) CTGNT. His address at enlistment for Boer War service was c/- G Boyle, Alice St.(Ellis St),Stones Corner. Married to Harriet May Holmes 1 May 1902. Children were James William Henry Boyle b 19 Oct 1902 and Agnes Harriet Boyle b 1 Jan 1905. An amount of money from Queensland Patriotic Fund was sent to his widow in 1910. Monies had been sent previously to Esk. It is therefore assumed that he died 1910. I have searched the various places on the Internet, Qld State Archives, Cemetery Records and BDM with very minimal results as you can see. John B

Is anyone on the list able to put a precise number on the Japanese forces on Bougainville 1944/45. I have a partial ORBAT but if any one has a full version I would appreciate it. Cheers, Ted Harris

Many of us have read of the Nackeroos of WWII fame. The Unit that traces its history to them is called Norforce. Recently they were awarded their inaugural Queens & Regimental Colours, a rare and historic occasion. I asked, through this List, for help in getting images of the ceremony. Robert Tremethick heard the call and responded. http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-flags/norforce.htm is the result. Cheers, Ted Harris

Hi There Listers, I am after some help with Gentlemen, who served in the middle East during second world war, I have two photo albums passed down to me from my grandfather, who had been given them during the war, One of them titled TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS THEM FROM JOHNY Egypt AIF 1941, The other TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS THEM FROM JOHNY Egypt 2nd AIF 1941, Inside there is the emblem of the AIF and in the corners 2/1- 2/2, 2/3 and the 16th bgd My grand father servered with both the 1st AIF and the 16th Battalion. And I do know that he was injured as my father also served in the middle east and still, tells me how he felt like it was him that had been shot. Most of the photos of people were Stan - that is my grandfather, Jack King, who was Philipino, William Blinkhorn,(from what I can gather Both Jack King and William Blinkhorn were from Queensland) Squissy, Doug, - An AIF Hospital and lables of Sister Night, Sister Elsworthy and sister couch but pictures missing. If anyone can help me with any information on any of these people or where I can find it, it would be much appreciated, thanks all Liz

Listers might remember that recently I was chasing info on overprinted UK bank notes as issued to Gallipoli troops. Well, it turns out that they were Treasury notes, not bank notes. They were one sided and in the UK denominations of one pound and ten shillings. All the detail I found relevant is on http://www.diggerhistory2.info/graveyards/pages/others/treasury-notes.htm Thanks to all concerned. Cheers, Ted Harris

Chris Pugsley's two papers from the June NZ Society of Genealogists Conference at Hamilton are avaliable to download as a PDF file from: http://www.genealogy.org.nz/news/C%20Pugsley%20papers.html Two inspiring talks by the author of the definitive "Gallipoli: the New Zealand Story", well worth hearing or reading, on the Waikato War 1863-64 and on revisiting Gallipoli (they are not included in the Conference proceedings): John Wilson

Hugo Throssell VC 10th Light Horse is buried in Karrakatta Cemetery W. Australia. He was the only member of the entire Light Horse to receive a VC despite the battle honours. Hugo Throssell's grave is a private memorial and is not under the auspices of the OAWG. I stop by regularly and clean his grave up, put poppies there on ANZAC Day and Remembrance Day. I don't have flowers in my garden (yet) so I cut roses out of the cemetery gardens and put them on his grave ;) I wrote a letter to Veteran's Affairs 16th June asking that the OAWG take care of it ... I thought they might at least make an exception to the rule in his case. How naive of me! I received a reply today. Vets Affairs through OAWG is COMMITTED to maintaining his memorial plaque in the Garden of Remembrance but do not have the statutory authority to care for his grave!!! However, Vets Affairs have notified the Heritage Council of the importance of his grave and suggest I consider taking it up with them!!! They can't look after heritage listed buildings in this state let alone Throssell's grave. It's buck passing at it's best. If I approach the Heritage Council they will say it's the National Trust that should look after it who in turn will say it's Karrakatta Cemetery's responsibility who will then say its the Army or 10th LH and who in turn will say its the Office of Australian War Graves. Hugo Throssell's grave is the only one of the VC winners buried in at Karrakatta Cemetery that the OAWG do not tend. Bright Blessings, Sandra. Sandra's Family History - http://tinyurl.com/o3mad MSN Messenger - fedelmar@hotmail.com My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Knowledge speaks and wisdom listens. ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

Regarding the registration of deaths overseas, whilst on military service: whilst looking for an entry in the Index of South Australian deaths, I came across one entry for a death at Gallipoli in 1915. I thought this remarkable at the time. I have not seen any other comparable entries. My suspicion is that individual deaths overseas might find their way into the civil registers as follows: if the deceased left an estate that required to be administered promptly (leases to be signed; shares to be traded), the family would want to move quickly on probate. If, however, the local Registrar of Probates wasn't co-operative, regarding being satisfied as to proof of death; then perhaps the Registrar of BDM might be persuaded to issue his certificate, which would get over the hurdle. I am sure that somewhere in Commonwealth legislation there exists a facilitation of proof of the death of a soldier. But perhaps, especially in the early days, such as 1915, the situation wasn't so clear. Anyway, that's a theory to explain an unusual phenomenon. The Boer War is probably in a class of its own, because Federation didn't have much impact on those who participated. It will be interesting to see where the recent death in Iraq gets registered: I note that the inquiry into the death is being presided over by a NSW Coroner. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Staunton [mailto:anthony.staunton@pcug.org.au] Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 10:40 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] A good question Anne A death on service overseas would not appear on the civil registry. There are a number of references at http://www.pcug.org.au/~croe/ozb/ See http://www.pcug.org.au/~croe/ozb/oz_boer_more.cgi?record=7122 Anthony Staunton -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 5:54 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-MIL] A silly question perhaps

Hi Mike, Have to make this quick as I am about to go out. Keep in mind I know nothing about English geography but Herbert John GOODMAN's father, Edward was christened on the 18 July 1816 at Fyfield By Marlborough Wiltshire, England. Cheers Anne H. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd [mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 26 June 2006 9:44 AM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman Anne Does your Goodman family come from Ayrshire? I was typing up a Boyd Mure/Muir family from Rowallan near Fenwick, Ayrshire yesterday and the name The Goodman of ??? came up several time. When I was there last year I copied a number of Boyd families and came home with 200-300 Boyd families, but I have not looked this morning at the contents pages of several references to see if actually I did copy part of these Goodman families. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > Hi Mike, > > I have now discovered that the Herbert John GOODMAN who went off to the > Boer > War was not connected to the GOODMAN family that I am researching. > Nevertheless the whole Boer War exercise has been a very good learning > experience. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Boyd [mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com] > Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:07 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > > > Anne > His wife might have died before he went to South Africa or they were > divorced. Therefore the brother was put down as next of kin. > > Would any of the Indexes show her death? > > Mike Boyd > brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Ward" <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> > To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:05 AM > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > >> Good evening Anne and Loretta, >> The information on Sgt.Goodman same from the >> Victorian Military Forces Nominal Roll for the >> Third ( or Bushmen's) Contingent to South >> Africa. These are held at the Victorian State >> Archives. The information differs slightly >> between the contingents. I visited his grave whilst in >> in South Africa in 2000. His brother is listed as NOK and no mention of >> his >> wife. >> My collecting interests are based around >> Victorians in the Boer War and over the years I have >> gathered a reasonable amount of information. >> Regards, >> George Ward >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] >> Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 12:35 PM >> To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman >> >> >> George, >> >> Thank you very much indeed. Now this is just me being curious but can you >> tell me where the information below came from - I did at one stage end up >> on >> a Boer War site but had no idea of what I was doing. >> >> I was about to presume that because his n.o.k. was listed as being in >> California that perhaps Herbert and the brother were Americans but >> perhaps >> I >> shouldn't. Also I was surprised that his wife, Anna Gillespie McMillan >> was >> not listed as his next of kin. >> >> Cheers >> >> Anne Hanson >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: George Ward [mailto:wardfam@alphalink.com.au] >> Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 7:09 AM >> To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman >> >> >> Good morning Anne, >> His details on the roll state, No 395 Herbert John >> Goodman >> born 13th August 1861, married with one child, >> occupation Drover, care of the Mansfield Post Office,N.O.K. Brother >> C.H.Goodman,Ball's Ferry Chasty County California. >> Church of England, 5ft 11.25 inches, 37 inch chest. He is buried at >> Rustenburg. >> >> Regards >> >> George Ward >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] >> Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 5:54 PM >> To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-MIL] A silly question perhaps >> >> >> Good Evening All, >> >> In Mansfield, Victoria there is a Boer War Memorial which has the >> following >> inscription: >> >> THIS OBELISK >> WAS ERECTED BY A FEW ADMIRERS >> TO THE MEMORY OF >> HERBERT JOHN GOODMAN >> SERGEANT VICTORIAN BUSHMEN >> CORPS, KILLED IN ACTION AT KOSTEO >> RIVER, SOUTH AFRICA 22ND JULY 1900 >> WHILST HONORABLY UPHOLDING THE >> PRESTIGE OF QUEEN AND EMPIRE. >> "NO SURRENDER". >> >> Based on the date of death above I searched the Victorian Digger >> Federation >> BDM index and was unable to find a death in the name of Herbert John >> GOODMAN. So now I'm wondering if an Australian citizen died overseas >> while >> on active service was there a death certificate issued for that person >> and >> if so, by whom? >> >> I am keen to know this as I am attempting to find out who Herbert John >> GOODMAN's parent were. All I have so far is his marriage entry (see >> below) >> and although it says he was born in Benalla I've been unable to find >> same. >> >> Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 >> >> Surname: GOODMAN >> Given Names: Herbert John >> Event: M >> Spouse Surname/Father: MCMILLAN >> Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Anna Gillespie >> Age: >> Sex: M >> Birth Place: BENALLA >> Death Place: >> Year: 1881 >> Reg Number: 4546 >> >> Any suggestions/help would be appreciated. >> >> Cheers >> >> Anne Hanson >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Milton Ulladulla Boer War & WW1 >> http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/war/ >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Anzac Research >> http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Anzac Research > http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.4/375 - Release Date: 25/06/2006 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. 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Anne Does your Goodman family come from Ayrshire? I was typing up a Boyd Mure/Muir family from Rowallan near Fenwick, Ayrshire yesterday and the name The Goodman of ??? came up several time. When I was there last year I copied a number of Boyd families and came home with 200-300 Boyd families, but I have not looked this morning at the contents pages of several references to see if actually I did copy part of these Goodman families. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > Hi Mike, > > I have now discovered that the Herbert John GOODMAN who went off to the > Boer > War was not connected to the GOODMAN family that I am researching. > Nevertheless the whole Boer War exercise has been a very good learning > experience. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Boyd [mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com] > Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:07 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > > > Anne > His wife might have died before he went to South Africa or they were > divorced. Therefore the brother was put down as next of kin. > > Would any of the Indexes show her death? > > Mike Boyd > brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Ward" <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> > To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:05 AM > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > >> Good evening Anne and Loretta, >> The information on Sgt.Goodman same from the >> Victorian Military Forces Nominal Roll for the >> Third ( or Bushmen's) Contingent to South >> Africa. These are held at the Victorian State >> Archives. The information differs slightly >> between the contingents. I visited his grave whilst in >> in South Africa in 2000. His brother is listed as NOK and no mention of >> his >> wife. >> My collecting interests are based around >> Victorians in the Boer War and over the years I have >> gathered a reasonable amount of information. >> Regards, >> George Ward >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] >> Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 12:35 PM >> To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman >> >> >> George, >> >> Thank you very much indeed. Now this is just me being curious but can you >> tell me where the information below came from - I did at one stage end up >> on >> a Boer War site but had no idea of what I was doing. >> >> I was about to presume that because his n.o.k. was listed as being in >> California that perhaps Herbert and the brother were Americans but >> perhaps >> I >> shouldn't. Also I was surprised that his wife, Anna Gillespie McMillan >> was >> not listed as his next of kin. >> >> Cheers >> >> Anne Hanson >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: George Ward [mailto:wardfam@alphalink.com.au] >> Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 7:09 AM >> To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman >> >> >> Good morning Anne, >> His details on the roll state, No 395 Herbert John >> Goodman >> born 13th August 1861, married with one child, >> occupation Drover, care of the Mansfield Post Office,N.O.K. Brother >> C.H.Goodman,Ball's Ferry Chasty County California. >> Church of England, 5ft 11.25 inches, 37 inch chest. He is buried at >> Rustenburg. >> >> Regards >> >> George Ward >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] >> Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 5:54 PM >> To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUS-MIL] A silly question perhaps >> >> >> Good Evening All, >> >> In Mansfield, Victoria there is a Boer War Memorial which has the >> following >> inscription: >> >> THIS OBELISK >> WAS ERECTED BY A FEW ADMIRERS >> TO THE MEMORY OF >> HERBERT JOHN GOODMAN >> SERGEANT VICTORIAN BUSHMEN >> CORPS, KILLED IN ACTION AT KOSTEO >> RIVER, SOUTH AFRICA 22ND JULY 1900 >> WHILST HONORABLY UPHOLDING THE >> PRESTIGE OF QUEEN AND EMPIRE. >> "NO SURRENDER". >> >> Based on the date of death above I searched the Victorian Digger >> Federation >> BDM index and was unable to find a death in the name of Herbert John >> GOODMAN. So now I'm wondering if an Australian citizen died overseas >> while >> on active service was there a death certificate issued for that person >> and >> if so, by whom? >> >> I am keen to know this as I am attempting to find out who Herbert John >> GOODMAN's parent were. All I have so far is his marriage entry (see >> below) >> and although it says he was born in Benalla I've been unable to find >> same. >> >> Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 >> >> Surname: GOODMAN >> Given Names: Herbert John >> Event: M >> Spouse Surname/Father: MCMILLAN >> Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Anna Gillespie >> Age: >> Sex: M >> Birth Place: BENALLA >> Death Place: >> Year: 1881 >> Reg Number: 4546 >> >> Any suggestions/help would be appreciated. >> >> Cheers >> >> Anne Hanson >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Milton Ulladulla Boer War & WW1 >> http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/war/ >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Anzac Research >> http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Anzac Research > http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.4/375 - Release Date: 25/06/2006 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. 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Hi Mike, I have now discovered that the Herbert John GOODMAN who went off to the Boer War was not connected to the GOODMAN family that I am researching. Nevertheless the whole Boer War exercise has been a very good learning experience. Cheers Anne Hanson -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd [mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:07 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman Anne His wife might have died before he went to South Africa or they were divorced. Therefore the brother was put down as next of kin. Would any of the Indexes show her death? Mike Boyd brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ward" <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > Good evening Anne and Loretta, > The information on Sgt.Goodman same from the > Victorian Military Forces Nominal Roll for the > Third ( or Bushmen's) Contingent to South > Africa. These are held at the Victorian State > Archives. The information differs slightly > between the contingents. I visited his grave whilst in > in South Africa in 2000. His brother is listed as NOK and no mention of > his > wife. > My collecting interests are based around > Victorians in the Boer War and over the years I have > gathered a reasonable amount of information. > Regards, > George Ward > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] > Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 12:35 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > > George, > > Thank you very much indeed. Now this is just me being curious but can you > tell me where the information below came from - I did at one stage end up > on > a Boer War site but had no idea of what I was doing. > > I was about to presume that because his n.o.k. was listed as being in > California that perhaps Herbert and the brother were Americans but perhaps > I > shouldn't. Also I was surprised that his wife, Anna Gillespie McMillan was > not listed as his next of kin. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Ward [mailto:wardfam@alphalink.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 7:09 AM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > > Good morning Anne, > His details on the roll state, No 395 Herbert John > Goodman > born 13th August 1861, married with one child, > occupation Drover, care of the Mansfield Post Office,N.O.K. Brother > C.H.Goodman,Ball's Ferry Chasty County California. > Church of England, 5ft 11.25 inches, 37 inch chest. He is buried at > Rustenburg. > > Regards > > George Ward > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 5:54 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-MIL] A silly question perhaps > > > Good Evening All, > > In Mansfield, Victoria there is a Boer War Memorial which has the > following > inscription: > > THIS OBELISK > WAS ERECTED BY A FEW ADMIRERS > TO THE MEMORY OF > HERBERT JOHN GOODMAN > SERGEANT VICTORIAN BUSHMEN > CORPS, KILLED IN ACTION AT KOSTEO > RIVER, SOUTH AFRICA 22ND JULY 1900 > WHILST HONORABLY UPHOLDING THE > PRESTIGE OF QUEEN AND EMPIRE. > "NO SURRENDER". > > Based on the date of death above I searched the Victorian Digger > Federation > BDM index and was unable to find a death in the name of Herbert John > GOODMAN. So now I'm wondering if an Australian citizen died overseas while > on active service was there a death certificate issued for that person and > if so, by whom? > > I am keen to know this as I am attempting to find out who Herbert John > GOODMAN's parent were. All I have so far is his marriage entry (see below) > and although it says he was born in Benalla I've been unable to find same. > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Surname: GOODMAN > Given Names: Herbert John > Event: M > Spouse Surname/Father: MCMILLAN > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Anna Gillespie > Age: > Sex: M > Birth Place: BENALLA > Death Place: > Year: 1881 > Reg Number: 4546 > > Any suggestions/help would be appreciated. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Milton Ulladulla Boer War & WW1 > http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/war/ > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Anzac Research > http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== Anzac Research http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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John Thank you for this contribution. This is news to me. Firstly I would like to do a comparison with the known dead from South Africa and see how it matches up. It poses the question as to whether this was unique to New South Wales or some or all colonies registered deaths in South Africa. Most of the contingents that went to South Africa were state contingents so there were six different sets of rules. Your observation that some are in running rego numbers and others random is most interesting. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Shirley & John Smith [mailto:s641025@hunterlink.net.au] Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 1:59 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] A good question Hello Anne and Anthony "A death on service overseas would not appear on the civil registry" On the NSW Federation Index CD If you open the go to search page Then to "Place of Registration" hit enter Then when the F4 screen comes up just type SOUTH AFRICA (in caps) Hit enter then F6 you get 250 entries of entries of Killed in War 1901 to 1904 Hope this helps someone and maybe a comment from Anthony if he could find out why they are in a civil registry They appear to have some in running rego numbers and others random Regards John Shirley & John Smith Maitland Area Lower Hunter Valley NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:06 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] A good question Anthony, Thank you. Anne Hanson -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Staunton [mailto:anthony.staunton@pcug.org.au] Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 10:40 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] A good question Anne A death on service overseas would not appear on the civil registry. There are a number of references at http://www.pcug.org.au/~croe/ozb/ See http://www.pcug.org.au/~croe/ozb/oz_boer_more.cgi?record=7122 Anthony Staunton -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 5:54 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-MIL] A silly question perhaps Good Evening All, In Mansfield, Victoria there is a Boer War Memorial which has the following inscription: THIS OBELISK WAS ERECTED BY A FEW ADMIRERS TO THE MEMORY OF HERBERT JOHN GOODMAN SERGEANT VICTORIAN BUSHMEN CORPS, KILLED IN ACTION AT KOSTEO RIVER, SOUTH AFRICA 22ND JULY 1900 WHILST HONORABLY UPHOLDING THE PRESTIGE OF QUEEN AND EMPIRE. "NO SURRENDER". Based on the date of death above I searched the Victorian Digger Federation BDM index and was unable to find a death in the name of Herbert John GOODMAN. So now I'm wondering if an Australian citizen died overseas while on active service was there a death certificate issued for that person and if so, by whom? I am keen to know this as I am attempting to find out who Herbert John GOODMAN's parent were. All I have so far is his marriage entry (see below) and although it says he was born in Benalla I've been unable to find same. Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: GOODMAN Given Names: Herbert John Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: MCMILLAN Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Anna Gillespie Age: Sex: M Birth Place: BENALLA Death Place: Year: 1881 Reg Number: 4546 Any suggestions/help would be appreciated. Cheers Anne Hanson -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== Milton Ulladulla Boer War & WW1 http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/war/ ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== Milton Ulladulla Boer War & WW1 http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/war/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. Please check your replies before sending, to make sure that is what you know is happening. ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

I have recently been given some great images of the English bank notes that were overprinted in Arabic so the troops at Gallipoli would have spending money when they reached Constantinople. I have one at http://www.diggerhistory2.info/graveyards/pages/others/photo04.htm but these are better and of both denominations; one pound and ten shillings. I have always known the basics of the arrangement but now I would like to add the fine details. Who was issued them, how much were they issued, were that a charge against the soldier's pay or a freebie. Can any one help please? Cheers, Ted Harris

Anne His wife might have died before he went to South Africa or they were divorced. Therefore the brother was put down as next of kin. Would any of the Indexes show her death? Mike Boyd brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ward" <wardfam@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > Good evening Anne and Loretta, > The information on Sgt.Goodman same from the > Victorian Military Forces Nominal Roll for the > Third ( or Bushmen's) Contingent to South > Africa. These are held at the Victorian State > Archives. The information differs slightly > between the contingents. I visited his grave whilst in > in South Africa in 2000. His brother is listed as NOK and no mention of > his > wife. > My collecting interests are based around > Victorians in the Boer War and over the years I have > gathered a reasonable amount of information. > Regards, > George Ward > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] > Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 12:35 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > > George, > > Thank you very much indeed. Now this is just me being curious but can you > tell me where the information below came from - I did at one stage end up > on > a Boer War site but had no idea of what I was doing. > > I was about to presume that because his n.o.k. was listed as being in > California that perhaps Herbert and the brother were Americans but perhaps > I > shouldn't. Also I was surprised that his wife, Anna Gillespie McMillan was > not listed as his next of kin. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Ward [mailto:wardfam@alphalink.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 7:09 AM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Herbert Goodman > > > Good morning Anne, > His details on the roll state, No 395 Herbert John > Goodman > born 13th August 1861, married with one child, > occupation Drover, care of the Mansfield Post Office,N.O.K. Brother > C.H.Goodman,Ball's Ferry Chasty County California. > Church of England, 5ft 11.25 inches, 37 inch chest. He is buried at > Rustenburg. > > Regards > > George Ward > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Hanson [mailto:ahanson8@bigpond.com] > Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 5:54 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-MIL] A silly question perhaps > > > Good Evening All, > > In Mansfield, Victoria there is a Boer War Memorial which has the > following > inscription: > > THIS OBELISK > WAS ERECTED BY A FEW ADMIRERS > TO THE MEMORY OF > HERBERT JOHN GOODMAN > SERGEANT VICTORIAN BUSHMEN > CORPS, KILLED IN ACTION AT KOSTEO > RIVER, SOUTH AFRICA 22ND JULY 1900 > WHILST HONORABLY UPHOLDING THE > PRESTIGE OF QUEEN AND EMPIRE. > "NO SURRENDER". > > Based on the date of death above I searched the Victorian Digger > Federation > BDM index and was unable to find a death in the name of Herbert John > GOODMAN. So now I'm wondering if an Australian citizen died overseas while > on active service was there a death certificate issued for that person and > if so, by whom? > > I am keen to know this as I am attempting to find out who Herbert John > GOODMAN's parent were. All I have so far is his marriage entry (see below) > and although it says he was born in Benalla I've been unable to find same. > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Surname: GOODMAN > Given Names: Herbert John > Event: M > Spouse Surname/Father: MCMILLAN > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Anna Gillespie > Age: > Sex: M > Birth Place: BENALLA > Death Place: > Year: 1881 > Reg Number: 4546 > > Any suggestions/help would be appreciated. > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Milton Ulladulla Boer War & WW1 > http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~cathyd/war/ > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Anzac Research > http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Hello Listers, Can anyone on this list advise me on where to find records relating to the Two Military Hospitals that were in the military barracks on Norfolk Island, 1825 - 1856, in anyone can help it would be most appreciated Thanks Liz -------------------------------------------------- This E-mail has been scanned for virus content by Trend IMSS at Norfolk Telecom. All effort is made to remove all known virus content from messages however the ISP takes no responsibility for virus infections on personal computers, no matter what the source.