Whether you liked Bruce Ruxton or not he would have been well under way in raising the money so that this unique group would have gone to the Australian War Memorial for us all to enjoy. Still I have heard that it may go to another museum within Australia where it will be equally as loved and appreciated. George Ward -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Staunton [mailto:anthony.staunton@pcug.org.au] Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 6:02 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-MIL] RE: Capt SHOUT's VC & group - auction tonight Peter The family is reputed to want $800,000. Factors for a high price. 1. Gallipoli 2. Last Australian Gallipoli VC in private hands 3. VC MC group is highest for Gallipoli. 4. Widespread publicity 5. May tap a group other than medal collectors (see 2 against) 6. Someone wirh big pockets may walk in off the street (eg Mould GC sale) Factors against 1. Previous highest prices were in London that allowed unrestricted exit. 2. Not being auctioned by a medal specialist My thoughts 1. I will be disappointed if it does not reach $A500,000. 2. I will not be surprised if it sells 2. How much it gets will depend on how many bidders are serious. Shout is a New Zealander so what is wrong with a New Zealander buying the medal and taking it to New Zealand. Anthony Staunton -----Original Message----- From: Peter Thomas [mailto:pmthomas@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 4:23 PM To: List - AUS-AIF; List - AUS-MILITARY; GREATWAR-D-request@rootsweb.com Cc: 'Anthony Staunton' Subject: Capt SHOUT's VC & group - auction tonight G'day, the midday ABC News reported on the auction scheduled for tonight. I made a few notes that might interest Listers: I suppose it is the auctioneer's job to "talk up" the price. He based his estimate of $700,000 ~ $1,000,000 (I presume that he's taking in AUD) on the following factors - This is the last of nine Australian VCs awarded for Gallipoli which is available to private collectors - the other eight are in the Australian War Memorial; Capt SHOUT died of wounds received in the action for which he was awarded the VC; Other medals making up the group of seven awarded to Capt SHOUT include a Military Cross; Boer war pair; and WW1 trio. The medals have remained in the possession of the family until now. Under legislation which protects artefacts making up Australia's cultural heritage, the medals may not be removed from Australia. That does not prevent overseas collector's from buying the group. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. Please check your replies before sending, to make sure that is what you know is happening.

Peter The family is reputed to want $800,000. Factors for a high price. 1. Gallipoli 2. Last Australian Gallipoli VC in private hands 3. VC MC group is highest for Gallipoli. 4. Widespread publicity 5. May tap a group other than medal collectors (see 2 against) 6. Someone wirh big pockets may walk in off the street (eg Mould GC sale) Factors against 1. Previous highest prices were in London that allowed unrestricted exit. 2. Not being auctioned by a medal specialist My thoughts 1. I will be disappointed if it does not reach $A500,000. 2. I will not be surprised if it sells 2. How much it gets will depend on how many bidders are serious. Shout is a New Zealander so what is wrong with a New Zealander buying the medal and taking it to New Zealand. Anthony Staunton -----Original Message----- From: Peter Thomas [mailto:pmthomas@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 4:23 PM To: List - AUS-AIF; List - AUS-MILITARY; GREATWAR-D-request@rootsweb.com Cc: 'Anthony Staunton' Subject: Capt SHOUT's VC & group - auction tonight G'day, the midday ABC News reported on the auction scheduled for tonight. I made a few notes that might interest Listers: I suppose it is the auctioneer's job to "talk up" the price. He based his estimate of $700,000 ~ $1,000,000 (I presume that he's taking in AUD) on the following factors - This is the last of nine Australian VCs awarded for Gallipoli which is available to private collectors - the other eight are in the Australian War Memorial; Capt SHOUT died of wounds received in the action for which he was awarded the VC; Other medals making up the group of seven awarded to Capt SHOUT include a Military Cross; Boer war pair; and WW1 trio. The medals have remained in the possession of the family until now. Under legislation which protects artefacts making up Australia's cultural heritage, the medals may not be removed from Australia. That does not prevent overseas collector's from buying the group. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com>

G'day, the midday ABC News reported on the auction scheduled for tonight. I made a few notes that might interest Listers: I suppose it is the auctioneer's job to "talk up" the price. He based his estimate of $700,000 ~ $1,000,000 (I presume that he's taking in AUD) on the following factors - This is the last of nine Australian VCs awarded for Gallipoli which is available to private collectors - the other eight are in the Australian War Memorial; Capt SHOUT died of wounds received in the action for which he was awarded the VC; Other medals making up the group of seven awarded to Capt SHOUT include a Military Cross; Boer war pair; and WW1 trio. The medals have remained in the possession of the family until now. Under legislation which protects artefacts making up Australia's cultural heritage, the medals may not be removed from Australia. That does not prevent overseas collector's from buying the group. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com>

Hi All: Re sale of medals, we had a controversy in New Zealand in April when Charles Upham's three daughters wanted to sell to a British collector (or get money for) his VC and bar, at present on loan to the NZ Army Museum, Waiouru. I think that $3 million was mentioned. Charles Upham himself had refused an offer of £10,000 when he came back from the war to buy a farm. I think the medals are still there, and there is a similar provision in New Zealand law (the Antiquities Act) against taking them out of the country. And in June there was a proposal to make a film of his life, with a movie company having an agreement with the Upham family, and with the son of the author of "Mark of the Lion" about Charles Upham. http://subs.nzherald.co.nz/author/story.cfm?a_id=74&ObjectID=10387949 http://subs.nzherald.co.nz/author/story.cfm?a_id=176&ObjectID=10378552 http://www.penguin.co.nz/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9780143018643,00.html Yours, John Wilson PS: Alfred Shout VC was born in Wellington, NZ.

Gidday Jen, Say hello to Michael. I know where you mean. Quite possible. Regards Peter Dunn "Australia @ War" http://www.ozatwar.com Over 650 Mbytes of Military home pages about Australia during WW2 Now also available on CD-Rom DISCUSSION LISTS Military Aircraft Crashes in Australia during WW2 OzCrashes-subscribe@topica.com 460 Squadron RAAF 460sqdn-subscribe@topica.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennifer Lambert Tracey > [mailto:jtracey@heritagearchaeology.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, 23 July 2006 11:16 AM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville > > Peter and Graham, > > At a guess [although I have never heard it referred to as > Orphanage Hill] might be that spur of Castle Hill right > behind where the old orphanage was - set well back from the > corner of Warburton and Landsborough Sts [prior to the > building of the Crippled Children's Home late 50s /early 60s, > which was closer to the corner, directly opposite Ahern and > Powell's shop]. > > My thoughts for this morning ... before coffee! I grew up in > Rowland Street and remember the orphanage well - surrounded > by huge mango trees. > > Cheers, > Jen > > Jennifer Lambert Tracey > HERITAGE ARCHAEOLOGY > Archaeological & Heritage Assessment Consultants PO Box 4265 > KINGSTON ACT 2604 AUSTRALIA Tel. 02 6295 6795 Fax. 02 6295 > 6791 Mobile 0419 011860 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dunn [mailto:pdunn@st.net.au] > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:40 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville > > Gidday Graham, > > Just did a Google search and only Orphanage Hill I can spot > may be in Geelong area. > > > Regards Peter Dunn > > "Australia @ War" > http://www.ozatwar.com > Over 650 Mbytes of Military home pages about Australia during > WW2 Now also available on CD-Rom > > DISCUSSION LISTS > Military Aircraft Crashes in Australia during WW2 > OzCrashes-subscribe@topica.com > > 460 Squadron RAAF > 460sqdn-subscribe@topica.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Dunn [mailto:pdunn@st.net.au] > > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 8:19 PM > > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville > > > > Gidday Graham, > > > > Have you seen my Townsville @ War web pages? > > > > www.ozatwar.com/tv@war.htm > > > > They are part of my "Australia @ War" web pages. > > > > www.ozatwar.com > > > > Pilot Hill Sth Townsville, Melton Hill, Orphanage Hill > and Stanton > > Hill. > > > > I can help you with all of those except Orphanage Hill. > Never heard of > > it. > > > > I was in Townsville for most of last week. I was born there > and lived > > there for 21 years or so. While I was there last week I was able to > > pinpoint the location where the 2nd string of Japanese > bombs (7) hit > > on Many Peaks Range near Pallarenda. > > > > Guess which Battalion had moved out of their camp area right near > > where the bombs hit a day or so before!! > > > > > > Regards Peter Dunn > > > > "Australia @ War" > > http://www.ozatwar.com > > Over 650 Mbytes of Military home pages about Australia during > > WW2 Now also available on CD-Rom > > > > DISCUSSION LISTS > > Military Aircraft Crashes in Australia during WW2 > > OzCrashes-subscribe@topica.com > > > > 460 Squadron RAAF > > 460sqdn-subscribe@topica.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Graham McKenzieSmith [mailto:grimwade4@bigpond.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 6:51 PM > > > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > Doing some work on Townsville in WW2 > > > > > > 31 Inf Bn in March 1942 had companies at Pilot Hill Sth > Townsville, > > > Melton Hill, Orphanage Hill and Stanton Hill. > > > > > > Does anyone know where these were > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. > > Please check your replies before sending, to make sure that is what > > you know is happening. > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > RAAF Museum > http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/ > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the > list. Please check your replies before sending, to make sure > that is what you know is happening. >

Peter and Graham, At a guess [although I have never heard it referred to as Orphanage Hill] might be that spur of Castle Hill right behind where the old orphanage was - set well back from the corner of Warburton and Landsborough Sts [prior to the building of the Crippled Children's Home late 50s /early 60s, which was closer to the corner, directly opposite Ahern and Powell's shop]. My thoughts for this morning ... before coffee! I grew up in Rowland Street and remember the orphanage well - surrounded by huge mango trees. Cheers, Jen Jennifer Lambert Tracey HERITAGE ARCHAEOLOGY Archaeological & Heritage Assessment Consultants PO Box 4265 KINGSTON ACT 2604 AUSTRALIA Tel. 02 6295 6795 Fax. 02 6295 6791 Mobile 0419 011860 -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dunn [mailto:pdunn@st.net.au] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:40 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville Gidday Graham, Just did a Google search and only Orphanage Hill I can spot may be in Geelong area. Regards Peter Dunn "Australia @ War" http://www.ozatwar.com Over 650 Mbytes of Military home pages about Australia during WW2 Now also available on CD-Rom DISCUSSION LISTS Military Aircraft Crashes in Australia during WW2 OzCrashes-subscribe@topica.com 460 Squadron RAAF 460sqdn-subscribe@topica.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dunn [mailto:pdunn@st.net.au] > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 8:19 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville > > Gidday Graham, > > Have you seen my Townsville @ War web pages? > > www.ozatwar.com/tv@war.htm > > They are part of my "Australia @ War" web pages. > > www.ozatwar.com > > Pilot Hill Sth Townsville, Melton Hill, Orphanage Hill > and Stanton Hill. > > I can help you with all of those except Orphanage Hill. Never > heard of it. > > I was in Townsville for most of last week. I was born there > and lived there for 21 years or so. While I was there last > week I was able to pinpoint the location where the 2nd string > of Japanese bombs (7) hit on Many Peaks Range near Pallarenda. > > Guess which Battalion had moved out of their camp area right > near where the bombs hit a day or so before!! > > > Regards Peter Dunn > > "Australia @ War" > http://www.ozatwar.com > Over 650 Mbytes of Military home pages about Australia during > WW2 Now also available on CD-Rom > > DISCUSSION LISTS > Military Aircraft Crashes in Australia during WW2 > OzCrashes-subscribe@topica.com > > 460 Squadron RAAF > 460sqdn-subscribe@topica.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham McKenzieSmith [mailto:grimwade4@bigpond.com] > > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 6:51 PM > > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville > > > > Hi all > > > > Doing some work on Townsville in WW2 > > > > 31 Inf Bn in March 1942 had companies at Pilot Hill Sth Townsville, > > Melton Hill, Orphanage Hill and Stanton Hill. > > > > Does anyone know where these were > > > > Thanks > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the > list. Please check your replies before sending, to make sure > that is what you know is happening. > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== RAAF Museum http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/

Gidday Graham, Just did a Google search and only Orphanage Hill I can spot may be in Geelong area. Regards Peter Dunn "Australia @ War" http://www.ozatwar.com Over 650 Mbytes of Military home pages about Australia during WW2 Now also available on CD-Rom DISCUSSION LISTS Military Aircraft Crashes in Australia during WW2 OzCrashes-subscribe@topica.com 460 Squadron RAAF 460sqdn-subscribe@topica.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dunn [mailto:pdunn@st.net.au] > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 8:19 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville > > Gidday Graham, > > Have you seen my Townsville @ War web pages? > > www.ozatwar.com/tv@war.htm > > They are part of my "Australia @ War" web pages. > > www.ozatwar.com > > Pilot Hill Sth Townsville, Melton Hill, Orphanage Hill > and Stanton Hill. > > I can help you with all of those except Orphanage Hill. Never > heard of it. > > I was in Townsville for most of last week. I was born there > and lived there for 21 years or so. While I was there last > week I was able to pinpoint the location where the 2nd string > of Japanese bombs (7) hit on Many Peaks Range near Pallarenda. > > Guess which Battalion had moved out of their camp area right > near where the bombs hit a day or so before!! > > > Regards Peter Dunn > > "Australia @ War" > http://www.ozatwar.com > Over 650 Mbytes of Military home pages about Australia during > WW2 Now also available on CD-Rom > > DISCUSSION LISTS > Military Aircraft Crashes in Australia during WW2 > OzCrashes-subscribe@topica.com > > 460 Squadron RAAF > 460sqdn-subscribe@topica.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham McKenzieSmith [mailto:grimwade4@bigpond.com] > > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 6:51 PM > > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville > > > > Hi all > > > > Doing some work on Townsville in WW2 > > > > 31 Inf Bn in March 1942 had companies at Pilot Hill Sth Townsville, > > Melton Hill, Orphanage Hill and Stanton Hill. > > > > Does anyone know where these were > > > > Thanks > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the > list. Please check your replies before sending, to make sure > that is what you know is happening. >

Gidday Graham, Have you seen my Townsville @ War web pages? www.ozatwar.com/tv@war.htm They are part of my "Australia @ War" web pages. www.ozatwar.com Pilot Hill Sth Townsville, Melton Hill, Orphanage Hill and Stanton Hill. I can help you with all of those except Orphanage Hill. Never heard of it. I was in Townsville for most of last week. I was born there and lived there for 21 years or so. While I was there last week I was able to pinpoint the location where the 2nd string of Japanese bombs (7) hit on Many Peaks Range near Pallarenda. Guess which Battalion had moved out of their camp area right near where the bombs hit a day or so before!! Regards Peter Dunn "Australia @ War" http://www.ozatwar.com Over 650 Mbytes of Military home pages about Australia during WW2 Now also available on CD-Rom DISCUSSION LISTS Military Aircraft Crashes in Australia during WW2 OzCrashes-subscribe@topica.com 460 Squadron RAAF 460sqdn-subscribe@topica.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham McKenzieSmith [mailto:grimwade4@bigpond.com] > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 6:51 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-MIL] Anyone from Townsville > > Hi all > > Doing some work on Townsville in WW2 > > 31 Inf Bn in March 1942 had companies at Pilot Hill Sth > Townsville, Melton Hill, Orphanage Hill and Stanton Hill. > > Does anyone know where these were > > Thanks > > Graham > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Hi all Doing some work on Townsville in WW2 31 Inf Bn in March 1942 had companies at Pilot Hill Sth Townsville, Melton Hill, Orphanage Hill and Stanton Hill. Does anyone know where these were Thanks Graham

Hi All: The 1st NZEF Honours & Awards were of course listed in the London Gazette, and they are also given the New Zealand Expeditionary Force Orders (A printed seris from Admin HQ London by Lieut-Gen Godley; the Defence Dept Library, Wellington has bound copies of them). There are several paras in 1917 noting "Gallant Conduct" though no award or MID; eg Lt C. L. Mullaney for supporting a drowning swimmer off Brighton Pier on 17 August 1917. Many of the citations in the Orders are extracts from the London Gazette Supplements, and it is interesting to note the persons authorised to issue various awards: A VC to Corp L W Andrew: "His Majesty the King has been graciously pleased .... " (1917) For three Military Medals: "The Corps Commander, II ANZAC Corps, under authority delegated to him, has awarded the following decorations for acts of gallantry in the Field:- " and for the NZEF Egypt: "Under authority delegated to him, the GOC Eastern Force has .... " Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand)

Frank Thank you for pointing out the London Gazette. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveSearch.asp?WebType=0&Referer=WW2 For confirmation of imperial awards to Australian forces see the Australian War Memorial Honours and Awards (Gazetted) database at: http://www.awm.gov.au/database/h_award.asp This database lists all gallantry and meritorious Imperial (but not long service and Royal Victorian Order) awards to the Australian forces from the Boer War to the present day. All mention in dispatches are recorded and all entries have the date and page of the London Gazette and/or Commonwealth of Australia Gazette. Be aware that most promulgation of awards appear in supplements to the London Gazette and that the date of the supplement is often between one and four days later than the original gazette. Anthony Staunton

Anthony, No problems. Having read his service records and noted the family's belief, being unable to confirm any award, I opted to believe the family's opinion, without checking the Gazette. Ian

Frank, Many thanks for that URL on the London Gazette. I have been unsuccessful on trying to get confirmation on many awards before Ian, Port Macquarie

Anthony & Ian, I think the family would appreciate your directness. After all, as genealogists/historians are we not searching for the truth. For those wanting to look through the London Gazette for WWI and WWII entries you might want to try this: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveSearch.asp?WebType=0&Referer=WW2 Regards, Frank On 21/07/2006 4:51:03 PM, aus-military-l@rootsweb.com wrote: > Ian > > Oops. > > I did not see Linda's original post and thought that she was commenting on > Klump. > > My apologies. I would not have been so blunt if I realised my error. > > Best wishes. > > Anthony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Symonds [mailto:isymonds@swiftdsl.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 21 July 2006 4:37 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] KLUMP, Leonard > > Anthony, Many thanks for correcting my item on Leonard Klump. I gave the > family the benefit of doubt, being unable to verify the award in terh > Gazette. Ian > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. Please > check your replies before sending, to make sure that is what you know is > happening. > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Ian Oops. I did not see Linda's original post and thought that she was commenting on Klump. My apologies. I would not have been so blunt if I realised my error. Best wishes. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Ian Symonds [mailto:isymonds@swiftdsl.com.au] Sent: Friday, 21 July 2006 4:37 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] KLUMP, Leonard Anthony, Many thanks for correcting my item on Leonard Klump. I gave the family the benefit of doubt, being unable to verify the award in terh Gazette. Ian ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. Please check your replies before sending, to make sure that is what you know is happening.

Anthony, Many thanks for correcting my item on Leonard Klump. I gave the family the benefit of doubt, being unable to verify the award in terh Gazette. Ian

Linda There are the exceptions as Ian highlights but soldiers noted in Routine Orders are not usually also awarded a medal. I would expect that being listed in Routine Orders would result in an entry in the soldier's service record. This is the case for Leonard Klump. His name is noted in the 5th Division Routine Orders of 7 December 1916 and this is recorded on his service record. Although being noted in Routine Orders is not a mention in dispatches and does not give the soldier the right to where an emblem on the Victory Medal 1914-1919 it is actually a much rarer honour. Leonard Klump was not awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal. His service records indicate that his family were under the misapprehension that he had been awarded the Military Medal but each time they enquired to the Army they received a negative reply. All DCM, MM and mention is dispatches were listed in the gazette and the name of Leonard Klump is not listed. Anthony Staunton -----Original Message----- From: Ian Symonds [mailto:isymonds@swiftdsl.com.au] Sent: Friday, 21 July 2006 10:36 AM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Mentioned in Despatches? Linda, Here is a sample entry in my "Letters from WW!" showing another recommendation by a field commander, for outstanding service in action. In this case it did result in the award of the DCM, but so far I have come across a few similar cases, where a commander caused an entry being made in the member' s file, but with no other action. Ian KLUMP, Leonard DCM 2971 Pte 5 MG Batn Enl 3 Feb 15 DoW 28 Sep 17 Born at Coopernook, NSW, the son of Christopher Joseph and Kate Klump of "Dunoon" Blackwell Pt Road Chiswick, Abbotsford Sydney, he was a 24 year-old butcher when he enlisted in the 5th Reinforcements for the 31st Battalion, and gave his father, Christopher Klump of Langley Vale, Manning River as his next of kin. It seems he enlisted at Telegraph Point in the 31st Battalion, which sailed from Sydney on the "Anchises" on the 14th March 1916 for Egypt. After further training, he embarked at Alexandria aboard the "Huntsend" on the 20th June 1916 and sailed to Marseilles, disembarking on the 30th June. On the 28th October he was admitted to hospital with a sprained back and was transferred to the Canadian General Hospital at Etaples, France. Returning to his unit, he was commended by his Divisional Commander "Private Klump showed great daring in his work, attacking the enemy with considerable skill and determination, and succeeded in killing three". In February 1917 he was again in hospital at the 3rd Australian Field Hospital and rejoined his unit on the 24th April. On the 29th May 1917 he attended the 3rd Army Snipers and Observers School of Instruction and on the 31st August he went to England on leave. Returning to France in September he was wounded in action on the 27th September, receiving a gunshot wound to the chest. Treated at the 10th Casualty Clearing Station, he died of his wounds on the 29th September 1917 and was buried by Chaplain H.S. Clark in the Lyssentholk Military Cemetery, Poperinge, West Vlaanderen, Belguim XXIV G 16. ----- Original Message ----- ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. Please check your replies before sending, to make sure that is what you know is happening.

Actually this is a GOC Commendation Card. It is one level below the MiD. It is not well known and was a WW1 experiment that was increased during WW2. Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neville Gibbons" <ngibbo@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 4:00 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-MIL] Mentioned in Despatches? > Morning Linda, > > I have reviewed his file, your question relates to the period during the > Battle of Messines, south of Ypres Belguim, during which he received a gun > shot wound to the back. Page 38 has no entry of being awarded a Mention in > Dispatches. I have checked the Honour and Awards Recommendations file at the > Australian War Memorial again no mention of a formal recommendation. From > the entry on Page 8 of his file, it states he was worthy of being mentioned > in the 10th Infantry Brigade Routine Orders for his conduct nduring the > Battle and it was taken no further apart from being noted on his file. We > the (Army) can still do on occasion mention a person in the units Routine > Orders and this is recorded on their Personal File, information such as this > would be used either on their Annual Report in the case of a NCO, or when > considering the promotion of a Private soldier as what appears to have > happened to Donald when he returned to the Battalion after his spell in > Hospitial with his Gunshot Wound. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Barraclough [mailto:kapana@netspace.net.au] > Sent: Thursday, 20 July 2006 3:39 PM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-MIL] Mentioned in Despatches? > > > Hi Everyone, > > I am beavering away on my Whitelaw article - thank you to all who > have offered assistance. > > I do have one specific question, if anyone can help. At the bottom of > Page 8 in the dossier of Donald John Whitelaw at > > http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8386216&I=1&SE=1 > > There is an entry headed "Laudatory" which talks of his conduct > during, I think, the Messines campaign. > > Is this what is normally referred to as "Mentioned in Despatches"? Or > is it some other form of comment that was routinely attached to files? > > Thanks, in advance, for any advice, > > Linda > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > First AIF Order of Battle 1914-1918 > http://www.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/index.html >

Hi. Not quite. It is one level lower. Details are on http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-medals/history-mid.htm Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Barraclough" <kapana@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Mentioned in Despatches? > Hi Everyone, > > I am beavering away on my Whitelaw article - thank you to all who > have offered assistance. > > I do have one specific question, if anyone can help. At the bottom of > Page 8 in the dossier of Donald John Whitelaw at > > http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8386216&I=1&SE=1 > > There is an entry headed "Laudatory" which talks of his conduct > during, I think, the Messines campaign. > > Is this what is normally referred to as "Mentioned in Despatches"? Or > is it some other form of comment that was routinely attached to files? > > Thanks, in advance, for any advice, > > Linda > > ______________________________

Linda, Here is a sample entry in my "Letters from WW!" showing another recommendation by a field commander, for outstanding service in action. In this case it did result in the award of the DCM, but so far I have come across a few similar cases, where a commander caused an entry being made in the member' s file, but with no other action. Ian KLUMP, Leonard DCM 2971 Pte 5 MG Batn Enl 3 Feb 15 DoW 28 Sep 17 Born at Coopernook, NSW, the son of Christopher Joseph and Kate Klump of "Dunoon" Blackwell Pt Road Chiswick, Abbotsford Sydney, he was a 24 year-old butcher when he enlisted in the 5th Reinforcements for the 31st Battalion, and gave his father, Christopher Klump of Langley Vale, Manning River as his next of kin. It seems he enlisted at Telegraph Point in the 31st Battalion, which sailed from Sydney on the "Anchises" on the 14th March 1916 for Egypt. After further training, he embarked at Alexandria aboard the "Huntsend" on the 20th June 1916 and sailed to Marseilles, disembarking on the 30th June. On the 28th October he was admitted to hospital with a sprained back and was transferred to the Canadian General Hospital at Etaples, France. Returning to his unit, he was commended by his Divisional Commander "Private Klump showed great daring in his work, attacking the enemy with considerable skill and determination, and succeeded in killing three". In February 1917 he was again in hospital at the 3rd Australian Field Hospital and rejoined his unit on the 24th April. On the 29th May 1917 he attended the 3rd Army Snipers and Observers School of Instruction and on the 31st August he went to England on leave. Returning to France in September he was wounded in action on the 27th September, receiving a gunshot wound to the chest. Treated at the 10th Casualty Clearing Station, he died of his wounds on the 29th September 1917 and was buried by Chaplain H.S. Clark in the Lyssentholk Military Cemetery, Poperinge, West Vlaanderen, Belguim XXIV G 16. ----- Original Message -----