Is anyone able to shed light on the operations/involvment of the Air Defence Regt in Vietnam. I'm not sure that "Air Defence Regt" is the correct unit descriptor. Regards Maurie

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=salancersfront2du0.jpg I have been asked for an opinion on this image. I am stuck. I was not aware there were any "South Australian Lancers" that were female. I am not even 100% sure that a unit of that name existed. Some say yes, some say no. Any advice or help available is welcome Cheers, Ted Harris

I will be out of the office starting 18/08/2006 and will not return until 22/08/2006. Thank you for your email. For urgent work related matters, please contact Cameron Cook on ccook@siag.com.au or 03 9417 9999. -- Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering. http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg

The Ocean arrived Sydney April 1801 and proceeded to go whaling, she did not carry convicts and had according to the 1806 muster carried 4 free passengers; 3 male and one unrelated female. Does anyone know anything about this ship what was her cargo to Sydney? Did she being Military? Thank you Elizabeth Roberts

Homage from the "Coral Sea Coast" (Lat 17.5s Long 146.1e) Hi to All, I seem to have lost my trusty list of WWII military abbreviations. Can SKS please help with the expanded version of LHD (as in 2/68 LHD)? Look and you shall see Dean Newman, North Queensland Australia. "As time goes by" kenyon@znet.net.au "Those who give all things. They who withhold have nothing"

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Gidday ALL, Have you seen this new CD-R called "From Up Over To Down Under: And Back". It contains the Photographic Collection of S/Sgt Jack Heyn, a Photographer with the 3rd Bomb Group during WW2. http://www.ozatwar.com/books/jackheynphotos.htm Regards Peter Dunn "Australia @ War" http://www.ozatwar.com Over 650 Mbytes of Military home pages about Australia during WW2 Now also available on CD-Rom DISCUSSION LISTS Military Aircraft Crashes in Australia during WW2 OzCrashes-subscribe@topica.com 460 Squadron RAAF 460sqdn-subscribe@topica.com

Greetings All The Annual Sandakan Day Service in Western Australia will be held at Kings Park on Sunday August 27th 2006 commencing at 10.30am. It will be held at the Borneo Memorial. All family, friends and members of the public are most welcome to attend the service. The venue is at Marri Walk which is off May Drive within Kings Park. This year there is no access via the Northern End of Marri Walk (Kings Park Tennis Club End) because of building works. Toilet facilities will be provided and a picnic will be held at the memorial afterwards for those wishing to stay. Any inquiries by telephone should be directed to Ken Jones on (08) 94482415 or by email to the undersigned. Best wishes Allan Cresswell President Borneo POW Relatives Assn of WA cressie@bigpond.net.au

People researching rellies from South West Queensland might find The Histories of Balonne, Warroo and Waggamba Shires, Queensland of some interest. www.tedharris.info/armstrong Cheers, Ted Harris

Patsy Adam-Smith in ANZACS discusses 'Simpson'. It appears that time has 'glorified' this man and detracted from his natural character of who he was which is a shame really. Bright Blessings, Sandra. Fremantle W. Aust. Vision Splendid Family History - http://tinyurl.com/o3mad FFFIAF Member - http://www.diggerz.org/~anzacs/fffaif.htm Perth Dead Person's Society - http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/default.html Reciprocal Research - http://www.londonancestor.com/recip/recip.htm ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Knowledge speaks and wisdom listens. ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* >From: AUS-MILITARY-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >To: AUS-MILITARY-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: AUS-MILITARY-D Digest V06 #147 >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:00:00 -0600 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >AUS-MILITARY-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 147 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: Anzac Cove painting by Moore-J ["Ted HARRIS" ><tedharris@ozemail.co] > #2 RE: Have a grin ["Peter Gibson" ><peter_gibson_2@msn] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from AUS-MILITARY-D, send a message to > > AUS-MILITARY-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the List-admin, e-mail AUS-MILITARY-admin@Rootsweb.com > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 08:55:12 +1000 >From: "Ted HARRIS" <tedharris@ozemail.com.au> >To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <004201c6b362$0d8dc6c0$0301010a@ted> >Subject: Re: Anzac Cove painting by Moore-Jones >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >The inspiration behind the painting was the good work done by two Anzacs, >one a New Zealander and the other an Australian. On the night of 25th >April, >1915 the Australian, Pte John Simpson Kirkpatrick, D.C.M., of the 3rd >Australian Field Ambulance, hit upon the idea of using a donkey to move men >wounded about the legs. Pte. Kirpatrick, better known to the Anzacs as >Simpson or "Murphy", moved a great number of men in this way from the head >of Monash valley to the beach before he was killed on 19th May, 1915. The >task of evacuating wounded by donkey was then continued by a New Zealander, >Pte. R.A. Henderson. Spr. Moore-Jones based his paintings upon a photograph >of Pte. Henderson and a donkey taken by a fellow New Zealander, Mr I.G. >Jackson. > >is a quote from > >http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/warrants/f4anzacmedallion.html > > >To the best of my knowledge Simpson never was awarded a DCM. He also served >as Simpson not Kirkpatrick as his death plaque attests. The idea of calling >him Kirkpatrick is a recent innovation and that name if used should be in >brackets IMO. > >Refer > >www.diggerhistory3.info/simpson for his full life story > >I am will to stand corrected but I have been told by usually reliable >sources that Henderson was a Lieutenant. Can anyone say with 100% accuracy? > > > > >Cheers, >Ted Harris >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> >To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:09 AM >Subject: Anzac Cove painting by Moore-Jones > > > > Hi All: > > > > A postcard-sized 1915 watercolour painting of Anzac Cove, Gallipoli by > > Horace Moore-Jones sold to a local man for $NZ55,000 (=$A44,600) at an > > auction at Auckland on Friday 28 July, or five times what was expected. >It > > had > > been expected to bring between $NZ 8000-12,000. > > > > Sapper Moore-Jones died in Hamilton in 1922, trying to help people >trapped > > in a burning hotel. > > > > >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=00033D33-B7C9-14C9-B50D83 > > 027AF1010E > > > > Here is more on Moore-Jones: > > http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/anzacday-moorejones > > http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/warrants/f4anzacmedallion.html > > > > Yours, John Wilson (Wellington) > > > > ______________________________ > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:54:47 +1000 >From: "Peter Gibson" <peter_gibson_2@msn.com.au> >To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <001401c6b37b$238b7850$1d718690@FAMILY> >Subject: RE: Have a grin >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Ted > >Too true. However, it is interesting to know "warts and all" what our >ancestors were up to ! - Let's face it, we can't change it now. > >I have come across a couple of interesting relations whose World War 1 >dossiers indicated that their war record was far from exemplary. One who >claimed to have won the Military Medal (he didn't) and who went AWOL for a >month; another who seemed to have spent most of his time inhabiting the >brothels of Cairo while he seemed to spend his time doing nothing much in >particular ! > > >Cheers > > > >Peter Gibson > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ted HARRIS [mailto:tedharris@ozemail.com.au] >Sent: Saturday, 29 July 2006 2:40 PM >To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Have a grin > >OMISSION OF SINS > >(By George Makin) > >There are certain rules you must observe >When writing a history, >You have to forget the "truth as was" >For fear of disharmony. >If the Ponsonby-Jones' grandfather >Ate yams and kangaroo rat, >As you know for gospel truth he did >Well, you'd better not mention that. > >Oh, the very best historians >Should never do things by halves >But if the "Mi-whisper-it's" wealth began >With somebody else's calves >'Tis better not even to hint at it >Or all too soon you may find >You've a note from his solicitors >With a libel case in mind. > >Oh! highly rated as pioneers >Were grandfather and spouse >Who didn't bother the parson when >Deciding to set up house. >There's a line between where scandal ends >And history begins. >Remember, by all means, the pioneers, >But forget to mention their sins! > >Cheers, >Ted Harris _________________________________________________________________ Be the one of the first to try the NEW Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programPage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Ted Too true. However, it is interesting to know "warts and all" what our ancestors were up to ! - Let's face it, we can't change it now. I have come across a couple of interesting relations whose World War 1 dossiers indicated that their war record was far from exemplary. One who claimed to have won the Military Medal (he didn't) and who went AWOL for a month; another who seemed to have spent most of his time inhabiting the brothels of Cairo while he seemed to spend his time doing nothing much in particular ! Cheers Peter Gibson -----Original Message----- From: Ted HARRIS [mailto:tedharris@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 29 July 2006 2:40 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Have a grin OMISSION OF SINS (By George Makin) There are certain rules you must observe When writing a history, You have to forget the "truth as was" For fear of disharmony. If the Ponsonby-Jones' grandfather Ate yams and kangaroo rat, As you know for gospel truth he did Well, you'd better not mention that. Oh, the very best historians Should never do things by halves But if the "Mi-whisper-it's" wealth began With somebody else's calves 'Tis better not even to hint at it Or all too soon you may find You've a note from his solicitors With a libel case in mind. Oh! highly rated as pioneers Were grandfather and spouse Who didn't bother the parson when Deciding to set up house. There's a line between where scandal ends And history begins. Remember, by all means, the pioneers, But forget to mention their sins! Cheers, Ted Harris

The inspiration behind the painting was the good work done by two Anzacs, one a New Zealander and the other an Australian. On the night of 25th April, 1915 the Australian, Pte John Simpson Kirkpatrick, D.C.M., of the 3rd Australian Field Ambulance, hit upon the idea of using a donkey to move men wounded about the legs. Pte. Kirpatrick, better known to the Anzacs as Simpson or "Murphy", moved a great number of men in this way from the head of Monash valley to the beach before he was killed on 19th May, 1915. The task of evacuating wounded by donkey was then continued by a New Zealander, Pte. R.A. Henderson. Spr. Moore-Jones based his paintings upon a photograph of Pte. Henderson and a donkey taken by a fellow New Zealander, Mr I.G. Jackson. is a quote from http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/warrants/f4anzacmedallion.html To the best of my knowledge Simpson never was awarded a DCM. He also served as Simpson not Kirkpatrick as his death plaque attests. The idea of calling him Kirkpatrick is a recent innovation and that name if used should be in brackets IMO. Refer www.diggerhistory3.info/simpson for his full life story I am will to stand corrected but I have been told by usually reliable sources that Henderson was a Lieutenant. Can anyone say with 100% accuracy? Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Anzac Cove painting by Moore-Jones > Hi All: > > A postcard-sized 1915 watercolour painting of Anzac Cove, Gallipoli by > Horace Moore-Jones sold to a local man for $NZ55,000 (=$A44,600) at an > auction at Auckland on Friday 28 July, or five times what was expected. It > had > been expected to bring between $NZ 8000-12,000. > > Sapper Moore-Jones died in Hamilton in 1922, trying to help people trapped > in a burning hotel. > > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=00033D33-B7C9-14C9-B50D83 > 027AF1010E > > Here is more on Moore-Jones: > http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/anzacday-moorejones > http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/warrants/f4anzacmedallion.html > > Yours, John Wilson (Wellington) > > ______________________________

OMISSION OF SINS (By George Makin) There are certain rules you must observe When writing a history, You have to forget the "truth as was" For fear of disharmony. If the Ponsonby-Jones' grandfather Ate yams and kangaroo rat, As you know for gospel truth he did Well, you'd better not mention that. Oh, the very best historians Should never do things by halves But if the "Mi-whisper-it's" wealth began With somebody else's calves 'Tis better not even to hint at it Or all too soon you may find You've a note from his solicitors With a libel case in mind. Oh! highly rated as pioneers Were grandfather and spouse Who didn't bother the parson when Deciding to set up house. There's a line between where scandal ends And history begins. Remember, by all means, the pioneers, But forget to mention their sins! Cheers, Ted Harris

John You will also find laudatory notices in Brigade and battalion routine orders. Anthony Staunton -----Original Message----- From: John Wilson [mailto:hugo@actrix.gen.nz] Sent: Friday, 21 July 2006 11:09 PM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-MIL] Re Mentioned in Despatches WWI Hi All: The 1st NZEF Honours & Awards were of course listed in the London Gazette, and they are also given the New Zealand Expeditionary Force Orders (A printed seris from Admin HQ London by Lieut-Gen Godley; the Defence Dept Library, Wellington has bound copies of them). There are several paras in 1917 noting "Gallant Conduct" though no award or MID; eg Lt C. L. Mullaney for supporting a drowning swimmer off Brighton Pier on 17 August 1917. Many of the citations in the Orders are extracts from the London Gazette Supplements, and it is interesting to note the persons authorised to issue various awards: A VC to Corp L W Andrew: "His Majesty the King has been graciously pleased .... " (1917) For three Military Medals: "The Corps Commander, II ANZAC Corps, under authority delegated to him, has awarded the following decorations for acts of gallantry in the Field:- " and for the NZEF Egypt: "Under authority delegated to him, the GOC Eastern Force has .... " Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== The Military Historical Society of Australia http://www.mhsa.org.au/

The Balonne Shire in Queensland is centred around St George, Surat, Dirranbandi, Bollon and Thallon. It has a rich history. Some years ago Geoffery Owen Armstrong wrote a history of Balonne Shire called "In Mitchell's Footsteps": A History of the Balonne Shire, Queensland. With the permission of his family I have started to reproduce that book and two others that he wrote. The text from the first book is completed and I will be adding the pictures this weekend. I hope that the book is of use to those with family ties in that area. It is at www.tedharris.info/armstrong Cheers, Ted Harris

Hi All: A postcard-sized 1915 watercolour painting of Anzac Cove, Gallipoli by Horace Moore-Jones sold to a local man for $NZ55,000 (=$A44,600) at an auction at Auckland on Friday 28 July, or five times what was expected. It had been expected to bring between $NZ 8000-12,000. Sapper Moore-Jones died in Hamilton in 1922, trying to help people trapped in a burning hotel. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=00033D33-B7C9-14C9-B50D83 027AF1010E Here is more on Moore-Jones: http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/anzacday-moorejones http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/warrants/f4anzacmedallion.html Yours, John Wilson (Wellington)

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If the link is broken try www.diggerhistory2.info/graveyards/pages/equip-uniform/shout-medals.htm or copy and paste the ENTIRE original URL Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted HARRIS" <tedharris@ozemail.com.au> To: "Linda Barraclough" <kapana@netspace.net.au>; <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Capt SHOUT's VC & group - auction tonight > http://www.diggerhistory2.info/graveyards/pages/equip-uniform/shout-medals.h > tm > > will tell you a lot about the VC medal group sale > > The mentioned in Despatches Oak leaf is not shown but I assume/hope that the > AWM will rectify that problem when the medals go on display > > Cheers, > Ted Harris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Barraclough" <kapana@netspace.net.au> > To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Capt SHOUT's VC & group - auction tonight > > > > For those who have not heard, from the ABC website: > > > > > > A piece of Australia's military history has gone under the hammer > > tonight in Sydney, setting what is said to be a new world record. > > > > The nation's last privately-owned Gallipoli Victoria Cross sold for > > $1 million, plus the buyer's premium. > > > > It had been posthumously awarded to Captain Alfred Shout, who fought > > at Gallipoli during World War I. > > > > The successful bidder wishes to remain anonymous and will work > > through the RSL to put the medal on display at the war memorial in > Canberra. > > > > Linda > > >

http://www.diggerhistory2.info/graveyards/pages/equip-uniform/shout-medals.h tm will tell you a lot about the VC medal group sale The mentioned in Despatches Oak leaf is not shown but I assume/hope that the AWM will rectify that problem when the medals go on display Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Barraclough" <kapana@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Capt SHOUT's VC & group - auction tonight > For those who have not heard, from the ABC website: > > > A piece of Australia's military history has gone under the hammer > tonight in Sydney, setting what is said to be a new world record. > > The nation's last privately-owned Gallipoli Victoria Cross sold for > $1 million, plus the buyer's premium. > > It had been posthumously awarded to Captain Alfred Shout, who fought > at Gallipoli during World War I. > > The successful bidder wishes to remain anonymous and will work > through the RSL to put the medal on display at the war memorial in Canberra. > > Linda >

For those who have not heard, from the ABC website: A piece of Australia's military history has gone under the hammer tonight in Sydney, setting what is said to be a new world record. The nation's last privately-owned Gallipoli Victoria Cross sold for $1 million, plus the buyer's premium. It had been posthumously awarded to Captain Alfred Shout, who fought at Gallipoli during World War I. The successful bidder wishes to remain anonymous and will work through the RSL to put the medal on display at the war memorial in Canberra. Linda