Dear List, I have just finished reading an article in a magazine where a person in Melbourne has discovered what looks like a photograph of an entire platoon of Australia Army personnel. Listed below are the names:- Capt.H HEATH; Driver L CLARK; Driver S BAKER; Driver C WALSH; Driver J COLLISS; Driver W HICKS; Driver H INGLIS; Driver H SHREMER; Driver H PENDRICK; Gunner R HAWKINS; Gunner G BURNS; Gunner J J HUDSON; Gunner G JOHNSON; Gunner A SIMMONS; Gunner R GILL; Gunner J DRUMMOND; Gunner W KNIGHT; Gunner O MILLER; Gunner R WEBB; WHR. W TUHMAN; S. S. D DOYLE; L. G. D SMITH; Act. Bomb. W BURGESS; Major C WARREN; Bomb. H MUMFORD; S. B. S. M. A McARTHUR; Q.S PALAZZI; Corp. J MURPHY; Corp. J HEMING; Sgt. E SLEARMAN; Sgt. R HISCOCK; Sgt. H HARDIMAN. According to the article Anzac House in Melbourne Stated the Capt HEATH was an Army Surgeon who was born in 1865. If anyone recognises these people please contact me and I will forward the article to you or give you more details. Glynis

Thanks to those who gave me an answer, but does anybody know anything more. Are there any records available to the public? thanks, Kayta

Cheryl Manus Is is in the New Guinea side of PNG. During WWII it was a large naval base and did have an airstrip made of coral like may of the PNG strips were. However if it was in Solomon's, it could have been the current County of the Solomon's or it might be the part that is now Bougainville province in PNG. I worked in Rabaul in 1964 but did not hear of any stories about any RAAF units being stationed there during the 1950's Hopefully someone with the RAAF might be able to help you further. Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: C & T Fielding <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 6:40 AM Subject: Arthur Russell Watson > Can anyone help me to ascertain information in relation to my father Arthur Russell Watson. He served with the Australian Air Force around 1951 - to 1960? My mother and I went to the Solomons with him around 1953 and were based on or near Manus Is. I do not have contact with Arthur and he would be 73 now. > What was the RAAF unit called? and what was the purpose of family based personel in the Solomons. > I do not have any information of this era and have tried to find information on the internet with no avail. > > Cheryl Fielding (nee Watson) > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > First AIF Order of Battle 1914-1918 > http://www.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/index.html >

Dear Lenore, War correspondents are employees of newspapers and radio and tv stations and news services. They are paid wages and expenses by their organisations. Freelance journalists also work in the field trying to sell their stories to who ever they can. The inability of the media to get it right, that is to put forward the truth is restricted by government and the military. The media can also get it so terribly wrong even when given the facts. Tet 1968 in South Viet Nam is a classic example. This country produced, in my humble opinion, the greatest of all war correspondents in World War 1 in the form of C E W Bean. To give you an idea of the difficulties involved I am reminded of the title of a book, 'The First Casualty' by Phillip Knightley, ISBN 0-15-631130-5 pbk, it is a good read. The title comes from a quotation from US Senator Hiram Johnson in 1917,'the first casualty when war comes is truth.' Best Regards Paul Kinney >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: AUS-MILITARY-D Digest V03 #21 >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:00:02 -0700 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> ><< message12.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hello List, A.I.R. is the abbreviation for AUSTRALIAN INFANTRY RESERVE. My relative, R.E. WALSH was with the 12th A.I.R. which was formed in Tasmania around 1912 (I think, without looking up files). When I used the word "apprenticeship" I used it figuratively; he had been crazy keen on army life since a lad and took the first opportunity to get into the real thing after having been, even earlier, in "Boys' Brigade" type quasi-military organisations. He was born in 1887. Regards, Julie in Lincolnshire

Hi Paul, The Australian War Memorial is at www.awm.gov.au no need to go through another site. Same with The National Archives at www.naa.gov.au/ go to record search sign on as guest and you are there. Hope this helps. Robert Duggan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kinney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:44 PM Subject: Re: AUS-MILITARY-D Digest V03 #17 > Response to Bob Colgan. > Dear Bob, > My grandfather, George Sutherland, also served in the 18th > Battalion. George was in D Company. Are you aware that one Michael Vickers > is writing a history of the 18th Battalion? If you have any information you > could supply to Michael he would be most appreciative. > His e-mail address is [email protected] The 18th Battalion is one > of the few battalions of the First Australian Imperial Expeditionary Force > not to have it's history written. Michael is trying to fill this void. If > you have the citation for your great uncles MM you could perhaps send it to > Michael. > If you are looking for information about the service of your great > uncle you can obtain his service record from the National Archives of > Australia for $Aus16.20, if you don't know his service details i.e. his > regimental number, rank, date of enlistment you can obtain that information > from the Australian War Memorial free. There is a Nominal Roll with the > necessary details. The Australian War Memorial is at www.fed.gov.au , just > type the war memorials name into the search panel, when you get there go to > Biographical Databases, then to Nominal Rolls and follow the prompts from > there. > The National Archives are at www.naa.gov.au/ Go to Family History, > scroll down to 'Links from this page', go to Military and follow the > prompts. To expedite the processing of your request supply the information > you have obtained from the War Memorial and you should have the details in > six to eight weeks, maximum about 12 weeks. > Bob, I hope this information is of some use to you. I know some of the > history of the battalion after it landed on Gallipoli, if you would like to > contact me ex-list, feel free and I will share my knowledge with you. > Best Regards > Paul Kinney > > > > > >From: [email protected] > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: AUS-MILITARY-D Digest V03 #17 > >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:00:02 -0700 > > > ><< message2.txt >> > ><< message4.txt >> > ><< message6.txt >> > ><< message8.txt >> > ><< message10.txt >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ______________________________

Lina The information that appeared in the London Gazette would have updated the next issue of the Army List. So if you were intersted in an individual the best place to check would be a run of Army Lists in which you could follow a career. Anthony Staunton -----Original Message----- From: Lina Moffitt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2003 9:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Is the following of interest? Some pages in the 1840 edition of "The Colonial Magazine and Commercial Maritime Index" includes info as follows. (As I am not of a military background, I cannot follow a lot of it but if it would be of importance to others, I would continue to transcribe it): LONDON GAZETTE WAR OFFICE DEC 31 1840 3d Regt of Lt Drag-Cornet and Adjutant J Sullivan to have the rank of Lieut Regt of Lt Drag-Lieut W Wilmer to be Capt by purchase, vice Jillard, who retired; Cornet M. Gwynne to be Lieut by purchase, vice Wilmer; D Maycock, gent., to be Cornet by purchase, vice Gwynne 17th regt of Lt Drag-Major M.C.D. St Quintin, to be Lieut-Col by purchase, vice Pratt, who retires; Brevet Major J Lawrence to be Major, by purchase, vice St Quintin; Lieut. Barrow to be Capt by purchase, vice Lawrence; Cornet A. S. Willet, to be Lieut, by purchase, vice Barrow. Coldstream Regt of Ft Guards-Cd W.L. Walton to be Lieut=-Col, by purchase, vice J Freemantle who retires upon half-pay unattached; Brevet Col. G Bowles to be Major, by purchase, vice Walton; ..Pearce, from half-pay unattached to be Capt. And Lieut.- Col., vice Bowles; Lieut and Capt the Hon. A. Upton to be Capt and Lieut-Col., by purchase, vice Pearce, who retires; Ensign and Lina ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== First AIF Order of Battle 1914-1918 http://www.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/index.html

If Australian Infantry Regiment is correct I would like the sender to expand on the answer as I have not previously heard of such a Unit. Where, when how and why was it raised and where did it serve? Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenton Brooks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: Re: John Edward HOFF, A.I.R.? > Australina Infantry Regiment > > > > > > > >From: "Kayta" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: John Edward HOFF, A.I.R.? > >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:38:07 -0800 > > > >Hi, > > > >John Edward HOFF enlisted in the Australian Imperial Force at Wallsend, NSW > >in Dec 1915 at the age of 25 yrs. On his enlistment papers, under previous > >service, he has written:- > > > >"3 yrs A.I.R. (4th) resigned" > > > >Can anybody tell me what this means? It's definately A.I.R not A.I.F. > > > >thanks, > > Kayta, > >in Newcastle > > > > > >==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > >RAAF Museum > >http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ______________________________

Can anyone help me to ascertain information in relation to my father Arthur Russell Watson. He served with the Australian Air Force around 1951 - to 1960? My mother and I went to the Solomons with him around 1953 and were based on or near Manus Is. I do not have contact with Arthur and he would be 73 now. What was the RAAF unit called? and what was the purpose of family based personel in the Solomons. I do not have any information of this era and have tried to find information on the internet with no avail. Cheryl Fielding (nee Watson)

Hello Ted, I have to admit not to have been following too closely recent exchanges over A.I.R. but I have a relative, Lt. R.E. Walsh, late of the 44th Bn, AIF who had a long "apprenticeship" in military matters. He became involved when barely a teenager and at the point where he volunteered for overseas service, in his case, February 1916, he had previously been in the "A.I.R." I say this, not exactly with my hand on my heart, because I have not been handling R.E.W.'s papers for a time now, but I feel sure that this is the case. When I enquired about this abbreviation it appears to have been a nomenclature used during an early period before there was actually an A.I.F., i.e. after Federation but before the "serious" build up to WW I. A kind of "limbo" period. I'll follow closely now. Regards, Julie

>Uncle No.2 was a journalist for the Melbourne ARGUS Newspaper & I well >remember him wearing officer style army uniform. Would anyone know if >war >correspondents actually enlisted & were subject to military law, >or >perhaps was it more like a representative role & the uniform was >more or >less worn as a symbol? I did a little test case, and looked at the WWII Nominal Roll for the well-known Australian War Correspondent, George Johnston (I think he may also have worked for the Argus) and he's not on the Nominal Roll either, so my guess is that they were not enlisted members of the 2nd AIF. The uniform was probably more likely to have been protection against being shot as a spy if they fell into the wrong hands. Lenore Frost Essendon, Vic http://www.members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/ See details of my new book: "Essendon and the Boer War, with letters from the veldt, 1899-1902" http://www.members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/bookshop.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

I am seeking information on the Australian Logistic Support Coy in Vietnam especially in the period 1965-66. Was this unit based in Vung Tau? When was it first raised etc Thanks Russell.

Hi, John Edward HOFF enlisted in the Australian Imperial Force at Wallsend, NSW in Dec 1915 at the age of 25 yrs. On his enlistment papers, under previous service, he has written:- "3 yrs A.I.R. (4th) resigned" Can anybody tell me what this means? It's definately A.I.R not A.I.F. thanks, Kayta, in Newcastle

The trick to finding someone who appears not to be on the roll is to try all the possible spellings assuming that the person who input the data made a typo. I have found several that way, the most recent was Nigel spelt Nigal. Remember, search engines are unforgiving, they will only look for what you ask for. Also try different spellings phonetically. War Correspondents were NOT enlisted and were only attached to units for short periods for administrative purposes. I would love a copy of the photo on the condition that if you send it to me it will appear on the web on www.diggerhistory.info Naturally an acknowledgement would be made. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Ahern" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: WWII Nominal roll > I have had great success looking for family members using the WWII Nominal > roll, with 2 exceptions & hopefully someone may have an answer. > I have been searching for 2 uncles both were definitely in the military yet > do not appear on the roll. > The first Is A.W.D. KERR No. V4245. enlistment date, July 2 1940. Owing to > his age, 48 years he was assigned to Area Staff where he remained for the > duration. Has anyone any clues as to why he would not appear on the roll? > The second is a little different & concerns the status of War Correspondents > Uncle No.2 was a journalist for the Melbourne ARGUS Newspaper & I well > remember him wearing officer style army uniform. Would anyone know if war > correspondents actually enlisted & were subject to military law, or perhaps > was it more like a representative role & the uniform was more or less worn > as a symbol? > Finally, Uncle No.3, who has been found & well researched was a member of > the 2nd/22nd. Bn. & a member of Lark Force. When the survivors of the events > in Rabaul reached Australia I believe the Battalion was reformed & spent > some time at the army camp that was set up in Victoria Park, Ballarat. > Several of the men who knew my Uncle visited our home & some signed & made > some notes in the back of an old photograph album. I have recently scanned > these & the names are__ > Yenoch VX47527 > Witnish VX28276 > Blaby VX38183 > Glynn VX24088 > Webster VX23821 > Cummins VX23861 > Judd VX23377 > Holmes VX22843 > Williams VX23931 > Some of these are just signatures but others have comments attached. I would > be happy to send the scanned image to any relations of these men. > > John AHERN >

Australina Infantry Regiment >From: "Kayta" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: John Edward HOFF, A.I.R.? >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:38:07 -0800 > >Hi, > >John Edward HOFF enlisted in the Australian Imperial Force at Wallsend, NSW >in Dec 1915 at the age of 25 yrs. On his enlistment papers, under previous >service, he has written:- > >"3 yrs A.I.R. (4th) resigned" > >Can anybody tell me what this means? It's definately A.I.R not A.I.F. > >thanks, > Kayta, >in Newcastle > > >==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >RAAF Museum >http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

I have had great success looking for family members using the WWII Nominal roll, with 2 exceptions & hopefully someone may have an answer. I have been searching for 2 uncles both were definitely in the military yet do not appear on the roll. The first Is A.W.D. KERR No. V4245. enlistment date, July 2 1940. Owing to his age, 48 years he was assigned to Area Staff where he remained for the duration. Has anyone any clues as to why he would not appear on the roll? The second is a little different & concerns the status of War Correspondents Uncle No.2 was a journalist for the Melbourne ARGUS Newspaper & I well remember him wearing officer style army uniform. Would anyone know if war correspondents actually enlisted & were subject to military law, or perhaps was it more like a representative role & the uniform was more or less worn as a symbol? Finally, Uncle No.3, who has been found & well researched was a member of the 2nd/22nd. Bn. & a member of Lark Force. When the survivors of the events in Rabaul reached Australia I believe the Battalion was reformed & spent some time at the army camp that was set up in Victoria Park, Ballarat. Several of the men who knew my Uncle visited our home & some signed & made some notes in the back of an old photograph album. I have recently scanned these & the names are__ Yenoch VX47527 Witnish VX28276 Blaby VX38183 Glynn VX24088 Webster VX23821 Cummins VX23861 Judd VX23377 Holmes VX22843 Williams VX23931 Some of these are just signatures but others have comments attached. I would be happy to send the scanned image to any relations of these men. John AHERN

Response to Bob Colgan. Dear Bob, My grandfather, George Sutherland, also served in the 18th Battalion. George was in D Company. Are you aware that one Michael Vickers is writing a history of the 18th Battalion? If you have any information you could supply to Michael he would be most appreciative. His e-mail address is [email protected] The 18th Battalion is one of the few battalions of the First Australian Imperial Expeditionary Force not to have it's history written. Michael is trying to fill this void. If you have the citation for your great uncles MM you could perhaps send it to Michael. If you are looking for information about the service of your great uncle you can obtain his service record from the National Archives of Australia for $Aus16.20, if you don't know his service details i.e. his regimental number, rank, date of enlistment you can obtain that information from the Australian War Memorial free. There is a Nominal Roll with the necessary details. The Australian War Memorial is at www.fed.gov.au , just type the war memorials name into the search panel, when you get there go to Biographical Databases, then to Nominal Rolls and follow the prompts from there. The National Archives are at www.naa.gov.au/ Go to Family History, scroll down to 'Links from this page', go to Military and follow the prompts. To expedite the processing of your request supply the information you have obtained from the War Memorial and you should have the details in six to eight weeks, maximum about 12 weeks. Bob, I hope this information is of some use to you. I know some of the history of the battalion after it landed on Gallipoli, if you would like to contact me ex-list, feel free and I will share my knowledge with you. Best Regards Paul Kinney >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: AUS-MILITARY-D Digest V03 #17 >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:00:02 -0700 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Lina can you make out the badge? A crown might mean that he was an Company Sargent Major (or the cavalry equivalent) or WOI, and if something else a WOII or RSM - I think Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: Lina Moffitt <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:51 AM Subject: four stripes, help pls > what rank is signified by 4 stripes on the arm of a WW 1 uniform? there is a badge above these as well. nothing on the collar, he's wearing leather boots to the knee and a strap over the right shoulder down the chest, joining on the left side of a waist belt. photo dated 1918. > > This guy, Hilton John Dewar, served with the Queen's household cavalry and was a standard bearer at her funeral (Qn Vic), then was in the Boer War and then came to Australia as an adviser to our military. > > I cant find anything about him on the AWM site. > > thanks and regards > Lina > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Evelyn What age was he when he died. He could be on a British Regiment or a NSW Unit, so you will have different sources to look at Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:41 PM Subject: Army record of WILLIAM DODDS Broken Hill late 1800s > Hello to anyone out there who could find some record of service of William Mould DODDS who was listed as pensioner (army) on his death cert. in 1900. He died in Broken Hill and had been in West NSW since 1875. > Ta > > Evelyn > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Woy Woy War Memorial and Soldiers' Memorial Park > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~joanf/anzac1.htm > >